There you have it. Jon Huntsman has exited the race and thrown his support behind Mitt Romney. But in an effort to exit a little louder than he entered (or how he was at any time during his campaign), the former Utah governor has taken a parting shot at the GOP presidential race. Whining or right on? You decide…
In his speech in which he dropped out and endorsed Romney, Huntsman said, “At its core, the Republican Party is a party of ideas, but the current toxic form of our political discourse does not help our cause.”
This leads to an interesting question? Has the race degenerated? Has the discource become toxic?
Remember when George W. Bush went after John McCain in South Carolina? One can point to instance after instance in previous campaigns where there were personal attacks. So, is this year any different?
I would love it if all candidates just talked about what he or she would do in office. Of course, if another candidate has a bad record, shouldn’t the public know that as well?
Politics is a tough business. The winner of the GOP race will have to face Obama and his Chicago machine. The winner must be ready, and a tough GOP primary race is the way to do it.
Whining comes to mind!
I think he was right on!! I’ve been waiting to hear someone speak up and say the right thing!!
One Less Caspar Milquetoast Dipstick who has been contaminating our Tea Party Tea with the Liberal RINO dipping of his tainted toast.
inluminatuo – Love it!
Four months ago, we were a shoe in for the 2012 election. We had the emocrates on their knees…
.. now, I think Obama has a shot at four more years.
Our “candidates” have acted like children squabbling in the playground.
Obama will kill Romney in a debate – Romney has no self confidence in front of people, and is a poor public debater/speaker.
Cross your fingers and pray for a miracle.
Exactly what I’m doing, crossing my fingers and praying for a miracle.
Who in their right frame of mind would believe anything that Obama says during a debate. We already know he is nothing but an accomplished BS’er. Honey dribbles from his lips only to turn to bile before it hits the ground. The man lies from both sides of his mouth.
I do not agree. Without TOTUS Obama is not that great. He is better than he was in 2008, but I saw him debate Hillary Clinton and I thought she was much better.
Catman,
You give Obama too much credit. without his teleprompter, he is nothing!!! One thing I would give him and his team credit is, dirty politics and I do not underestimate him to win again either! We all know he is suffering from Romney envy (Mr Eric Boling took the words right out of my mouth). Suddenly after 3 yrs of “governing” he wants to merge various government agencies to make it leaner and smarter. What Obama said sounded so much like he plagiarised the speech Gov Romney NH winning speech!!!
The GOP is really stuffed now, I think, because if they agree to go along with Obama, he will take all the credit, boast/brag when he goes on his campaign trail later this year. if the GOP dont go along with him, because, they like many of us, know, Obama is doing this for political expediency, they will be demonised. We all know Obama is already setting up his campaign platform against a do nothing congress since he has no record of achievement thus far.
pypypypy: “….We all know Obama is already setting up his campaign platform against a do nothing congress…”
Yes, he is. And I’m still waiting for the Repubs to reply: “Yes, we are a do-nothing Congress, because Obama keeps giving us only choices and solutions that are socialist. We don’t want the country to become socialist. When Obama proposes something to us that is not destructive to the country, that is not socialist, then we will agree with him and stop being a do-nothing Congress.” I know this is simplistic and should be assumed to be the reason for their do-nothing stance. But, apparently, voters are so stupid that it has to be spelled out for them. The Repubs are their own worst enemy, because they are terrible at communicating messages – either they don’t know how or they don’t have the guts to say it like it is. This is my biggest gripe with them. The Dems don’t have any problem at all doing this.
Huntsman has it right and the GOP have set themselves up to lose the 2012 POTUS elections. No amount of crying from the masses will help now. Romney is a RHINO. Newt is a whiner. Perry is a piece of work. The rest of the field are not even contenders anymore.
The vitriol, outright lies, and the scandalous behavior only continue to reinforce my disdain and gratitude for being an Independent. I was raised in a home of Republicans and Democrats, my dislike for the behavior of both parties is monumentally high, but everytime an attack is made between republicans, by republicans, on other republicans, I remember President Reagan’s remarks about infighting and the amount of additional fodder your enemies now have to belittle, begrudge, and deceive.
The current trash and attacks only emboldens Obama and the Rest of your political enemies. Get it?
Unfortunately, I believe Ron Huntsman has made a very true statement. All we have seen these past few months are attacks of Republicans against Republicans. Have they totally forgotten that they all have a common enemy, which is the usurper currently occupying the White House? It would not surprise me if Obama wins again because the Republicans are paving the way for him to do just that, by acting like idiots. It is high time for Republicans to stop the stupidity and each should demonstrate what they would do to put this country back on the right path. If they cannot do that, they have little chance of winning the election and even less of effectively leading this country.
Well if I were trying to ‘beat’ Obama in the elections, I’d have picked a whole different group of GOP candidates, preferably Conservatives and preferably some that could actually beat Obama.
It is my thought that the Republicans don’t really want to win. They don’t have any better ideas on what to do with our problems than Obama’s crew does. Just think about it. In 2008 the R’s really didn’t want the job of cleaning up what Bush was leaving behind. That’s why they put together the carnival act of McCain/Palin. Nobody except the single button voters where going to buy into that. Now they’re doing the same thing. There is no one, I mean no one, in this GOP menagerie, that really has what it takes to do what really has to be done. Here’s a parting thought…. Just because they may have had some success as a governor doesn’t mean they can do the same on a national level. I don’t see any one of them so far that really are qualified to set in the Oval Office.
Catman, you have to take into consideration the vast number of brain dead voters. They are the ones who respond to TV ads. Romney has enough money to tell them what they want to hear.
Please be assured that Obama has more ad money at his disposal than Romney… so if what you say is true, we are lost!
Folks: This is about winning and Mitt is the lone candidate capable of carrying the water with moderates and others who are disgruntled with Obama! The conservative movement better get it together quickly or we will lose again and I for one know where I am aiming the blame–RIGHT HERE!
The Conservative movement will NOT be well served by having yet another RINO go down in Flames like McCain. Buying into the media and establishment bull about Romney being the only one who can beat Odumbo is foolish! Why are so many sheeple buying that load of…the establishment treats American citizens like children for good reason! They tell them how it is, and the uninformed masses just lap it up! Be good little girls and boys and vote for Romney and everything will be honky dory – Yeah Right!
So go ahead, vote for another week kneed moderate with no backbone who will be easily manipulated by the Demorats and establishment Republicans who want to keep the status quo! Even IF he managed to win (doubtful) our only prayer will be a veto proof House and Senate filled with REAL Conservatives who will make Romney toe the line. THAT will be our only hope of getting back to the Constitutional Republic our Founders gave us.
FLChristyB,
I like to know where you heard that “the establishment” said that everything would be honky dory if we all vote and coalesce behind Gov Romney?? Rome was not built in a day. To simply think that if are able to replace Obama by a GOP President everything would be honky dory is naive. Just take alook, the GOP has the House but Obama still has the veto pen. Just because Sen McCain lost, it does not mean that a moderate GOP like Romney cannot win or that a very Conservative candidate can beat Obama. Obama is very sleek and he is setting up his campaign stage very well, with class warfare, OWS etc etc. You think he is not going to demonise a so called staunch conservative and put Independants off??? He will demonise whoever are nominee is.
I agree that we need to continual replace corrupt politicians, It is a daunting task and will take time.
all I know now is, I have to be pragmatic and that We the People will not be served well if Obama is given 4 more years. In any event, in PA by the time Super Tuesday comes, the candidates would have been chosen for me, if he is not the candidate I supported originally, I will have to weigh the pros and cons and select the best candidate out of the 2. I am a religious person but I am not going to pray ( I did last time for Obama to loose but he won) I just hope voters will see through Obama and realise that a vote for Obama is a vote to enslave future generations and destroy this country.
May the best candidate wins and may he defeat Obama in 2012, only then can this country start to recover and get back on track
FLChristyB McCain ran against a shadow – Obama had NO experience, hid all records/aliases/school records/attorney license loss records/birth records/Senate voting record, etc. He promised HOPE & CHANGE which meant 51 MILLION different things to each one of his 51 MILLION voters (at least the LIVING voters).
I and many other PATRIOTS who value WORK more than WHINING, have made it clear to many in America (I send out 1000 faxes a month to expose Obama from my blog and that doesn’t count calls, letters, e-mails, contributions, ballot volunteering, and blog posts) that what Obama says and what he does are two diametrically opposite agendas.
IN NO WAY will the GOP primary winner face the same deception that McCain faced! MANY Patriots have made GREAT effort to “OUT” Obama, that is why his approval polls have fallen so much – Our biggest un-informed voting segment this time in 2012 will be what I have named as the “angry” Conservatives who seem to join with the Liberals to work to crush HOPE among true Conservatives. But I am spreading the word on YOU TOO, now.
GOD BLESS AMERICA VOTE YOUR HEART IN 2016, BUT VOTE GOP PRIMARY WINNER FOR NOBAMA IN 2012 – THAT MAY BE YOUR LAST CHANCE TO VOTE IN AMERICA
billbotex – you are right on target! One of the most important things we can do for America and the future of our children is to vote against Obama this year.
Bilbotex and AMVOTER,
I agree totally. Obama must be stopped in his tracks and defeated in 2012. This is the last stop before his socialistic train continue to the point of no return.
He is already sticking into our eyes, disregarding Congress and the Senate with his so called “recess appointment” He thinks he is royalty. I hope the GOP will unite soon. If we all unite, we can beat him in 2012 but it wont be easy. It is going to be ugly. I cant wait to wipe the smirk of his face.
billbotex, you are right on. Further, anyone who ran against THE WON in 2008 had an impossible task. As bad as McCain was as a candidate – and he was BAD – because of Obama’s “historical” attribute, it was pre-determined that Obama would win against any GOP candidate. It will be different this time – if the Repubs can keep their self-confidence alive by remembering what a big win they had in 2010, largely due to Palin lending her support. This go-round, BO will win ONLY through fraud – and that’s a real good possibility, because there are already signs they are gearing up their fraud squads. We all have our preferences for the primary candidate. But, whomever the nominee turns out to be, we must all get behind that winner in order to oust BO. The worst of the current GOP candidates will be better than BO, because at least they all love America and want America to survive intact. And the win margin in Nov. must be BIG so there won’t be a need for re-count. When it’s close and a re-count is needed, that’s when “forgotten” or “lost” ballots that just happen to be marked for the Dem candidate surfaces from car trunks.
Huntsman is correct. The Republicans have allowed the news media to manipulate them into squabling amongst themselves rather than focus on the disaster in the White House.
He hates the vitriol, but is supporting the dope that started it! Newt begged, in every debate and at every speech, for a clean race and to keep your mud slinging focused on Odumbo, but what did Romney do? Spent $10 million in nasty attack ads filled with half truths and outright lies against Newt, did he expect Newt and the others to just sit back and let Romney walk away unscathed? I don’t think so. Romney the RINO needs to have his record bared for the public to see. At least now we know what to expect when they get up against Odumbos billion dollar campaign of hate and lies!
You are right! Bravo
Newt gingrich is nothing more than a “self proclaimed Giant Brain”, Gas Bag that is a liar, and a progressive to boot. He begged for people to not do what, POINT OUT HIS RECORD, use video/sound bites of his OWN MOUTH spewing progressive garbage, but thus, don’t anybody point that out? Romney’s ads didn’t do the damage to the Gas Bag, it was Ron Paul’s non stop video’s of “I can’t hear myself speak enough” Gingrich, all the while touting what a conservative he was on the campaign trail, and all the time Ron Paul running ads of his NOT CONSERVATIVE RECORD and rhetoric. There is the problem, facts hurt, and whining cry baby Newter tried to have you all believe different. The sooner the likes of Gingrich is gone the sooner we can get on with ferretting out the real conservative in the lot. The republicans need to know that Newt Gingrich is a liar of the nth degree, he is a progressive, and the silence is deafening why it is that not any of his “fellow conservatives’ from his time as speaker haven’t come forward to praise Newt. The hostility he showed toward REAL CONSERVATIVE who wouldn’t forgo their principles to side and support his ‘COMPROMISING with the LIBERALS” is the reason that he was cashiered from his position as Speaker, and why he had a 25% approval rating, and why he tucked his little lying pee pee between his adultorous legs and headed home, ooops I forgot started his new home as the insider extrodinaire in Virginia as a LOBBYIST, with his latest conquest a woman half his age with whom he had been cheating with while married to wife number 2. And as he told wife number 2, Marianne, when she asked him how he could talk about family values while he was cheating on her, the gas bag replied, “People don’t care what I do, they just need to hear what I have to say”. Arrogant, dictitorial, lying progressive, so don’t come up with Gas Bag is the only saint in the bunch crap, because that is exactly what it is CRAP.
Who cares what Huntsman whines about!
As a former Dem. who voted for the first time ever for a Republican in the last presidential election, I am disappointed that Jon Huntsman has dropped out as I was a supporter of his candidacy. He was gaining momentum and probably had the highest electability ratings as he was appealing to disaffected Dems (huge voting block in our country), moderates and Independents (of which I am one now). Jon Huntsman is a class act and could have restored the office of the President of the United States to its former dignified state.
I am old enough to remember the days of intelligent political debate—-I miss those days and with that the dignity that the office represented. Many of our political leaders have been driven by financial greed and avarice, not public service, which unfortunately, has created a slate of candidates that are truly no better than snake-oil salesmen, or idealogues.
I think everyone of even modest character yearns for a campaign in which ideas and approaches are debated based on their merits. Unfortunately, there are just not enough thoughtful, engaged voters. Far too many folks form their opinions on sound bites, headlines of stories they don’t read, wise cracks of celebrities on TV, etc. Attack ads work, so they’re used. Politics is ugly, always has been. Since we don’t have politicians shooting each other in duels anymore, I’m not sure it’s worse now than in the past.
“Since we don’t have politicians shooting each other in duels anymore, I’m not sure it’s worse now than in the past.”
I think that would a better solution than what we have now – at least you would know that there was a date that it stopped… plus we would never hear from the losers again.
And with the democrats disdain for guns, the advantage is 90% on our side 😉
I wondered during the McCain selection and afterwards, if those professional companies who plan Republican campaign strategy and the spending of money worked for the Republican Party or the opposing Party. To me as an outsider and with our spending a trillion a year to buy energy from overseas and with the Democrats position to shut down our own resource extraction industries as well as unsustainable pension benefits promised to PE unions and with illegal immigrants being given entitlements, there should enough ammunition to raise questions about where the Democrats beginning with Barney Frank, Chris Dodds and Bill Clinton were taking the country.To me it should have been difficult to defend removing laws, controls and regulations on private equity funds and encouraging offshore speculation.
As a lifelong Republican, I’m over 70 and really belive the party has moved as far left as where the Democrats stood back in the seventies. Are things so bad that our party leaders can’t field a group of contenders that are worthy of being president. How can you vote for a Republican candidate after the primaries. All they do is talk about how bad each other is. Forget about how you will get this country off the road to ruin. After listening to the debates all we have left is to vote for is the the lesser of the two evils, not much to choose from is there
Hey, HowMuchLonger… In response to your statement that Republican candidates don’t have any answers just like the Democrats don’t….I would say two things:
1. We have a lot of workable ideas coming from Republicans….what we need is not more and different ideas….we actually need ACTION on those ideas.
2. I have heard incredible knowledge, understanding, analysis and concrete ideas that are needed in the situation we are in from Newt Gingrich. He was running strong in December until Romney’s vicious advertising attacks. He ran strong because he HAD workable ideas, debated better than anyone could when compared to Obama, and did not bash fellow Republicans.
Newt started falling becuase of those Ads and because he decided to change his tactics of “hands off” the negatives against fellow Republicans. I hope he backs away and gets back to focusing on his solutions and people listen to that as opposed to rhetoric from others that he can’t control.
I am looking forward to Gingrich winning in Florida and getting Santorum out of the equation. I have a lot of friends in Pa. and he could not get elected again because of his personal shady economics. I know the guy is supposed to be a very religious person but has added more pork to the bills in Congress than most. It is very strange for such an “honest person” to be able to support a wife and seven children in six of them in private schools on a Senator’s salary and being able to purchase a few rental buildings without any income from “extra curricular” activities which many suspected were product of the generosity of Lobbysts…
Huntsman’s problem was that he seemed to be running as a democrat in a republican field. What he should have been doing was running against Obama for the nomination. He might have been able to get the nomination against the “idiot and chief”.
All these comments miss the point and ALL of these comments if acted upon, will result in the re-election of Obama! These are exactly the same as the DEM talking points – you are joining the Liberal mantra – so if you are stealth DEM commentors or just misguided “angry” Conservatives, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! This talk will re-elect Obama.
Every “angry” Conservative that doesn’t vote, or votes third party, or writes-in a vote, or votes for ANYONE OTHER THAN THE GOP PRIMARY WINNER IS CASTING A VOTE FOR OBAMA’S RE-ELECTION! And you will be the loudest whiners when it happens – the koolaid drinkers always are!
VOTE YOUR HEART IN 2016, BUT VOTE NOBAMA IN 2012 – BECAUSE 2012 MAY BE YOUR LAST CHANCE TO EVER VOTE IN AMERICA
If Obama is re-elected he will use his second term to increase his welfare voters, food stamp voters, Muslim voters, non-essential federal worker voters, non-federal taxpayer voters, illegal alien voters, and fraudulent voters from the current 47% which he has created over the last three years, to over 55%, and then he will be America’s permanent dictator. 2012 is our last chance to stop him – what he is doing is no accident, no mistake, it is his INTENTIONAL Cloward-Piven/Saul Alinsky hybrid plan to destroy America.
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I think many of you (including Huntsman) are missing something here.
The Democrat machine does not deal with truth. That we know for certain.
The Democrat machine will throw everything they have (and then some) at this election. They know that if they win this one, they can do as they please with this country.
The GOP infighting is no different from what happened in past elections when there was no clear candidate. Even when there was a clear leader, there were pockets of dissenters who tossed as much mud as they could.
This is good. Really.
Because it will harden the eventual nominee and should make negative factors “old hat” that should take a lot of punch out of the Democrat machines campaign this fall.
Would I prefer a real discussion of issues rather than personalities? Sure. But that isn’t the reality. What is happening should lead to the strongest candidate and allow that candidate and the GOP to focus on the issues for the November election.
It certainly won’t be necessary to run a negative campaign against Obama. His record over the past three years is clear enough to everyone.
Air the negative stuff, clear the air, then we can get on with our best candidate.
Bob Webster
WEBCommentary
billbotex, I agree with you. These blogs are as divisive as the current primary. I’ve been around long enough not worry too much about them attacking each other. This has happened in EVERY election I can remember since I started voting in 1972. Remember the cat fights between H. Clinton an Obama. And once he was nominated it was kumbyya. Let’s ALL UNITE around whoever the republican candidate is……..I personally life in an uber liberal Madison WI and believe me I’m surprised at the number of independants and even liberals that don’t like obama. If you don’t vote for whoever the republican nominee is, then don’t complain if we get 4 more years of the worst president in my life time ABO in 2012!
Why did Huntsman endorse Romney? Because Romney is the weakest candidate and Huntsman is a closet Democrat…so of course he endorsed the RINO Romney.
McCain was a RINO and lost. If we are foolish enough to nominate another one then expect another four years of Obummer (the Kenyan, Muslim, Communist).
Support a real Republican, not Romney, the loser.
IF Romney does get the nomination, we will have to vote for him but it will only be “the lesser of two evils.”
Right. And by ‘support a real Republican,’ you meant GINGRICH, right? If you saw the debate tonight, you have to agree.
It’s often said you get the candidate you deserve. I for one do not want a candidate who will whine and cry because Obama and the democrats are mean. You know they are going to be mean they are going to lie, cheat, steal and do what ever it takes to keep the presidency. Is this right or good? For heavens sake no non the less that is exactly what is going to happen. I want a candidate who can give as well as they take no more wimps. All of you who think you can win by playing nice with the democrats get out their and run yourself I would like to see that. On the other hand if you’re just going to sit on your duff and whine that this person or that person isn’t nice it would be better for you to go home and watch cartoons.
Oh how like sheep we are. A little noise, and we go scampering over the cliff, a show of strength, and we all obediently get in line.
I’m all for politeness and civility. Certainly. But what was it, maybe ten years ago we started hearing more about “being uncivil” in our debates, or “harsh tones” or something similar, and now, if one candidate for something brings up another candidates “issues”, the first candidate is accused of being “harsh” or “unnecessarily accusative” or some other silly rhetoric. I mean, just how friendly and polite do require candidates to be, and why are we accepting criticisms that no doubt came from the LEFT? We allowed them to frame and define the rules of verbal engagement, and now, it is considered shameful and terrible to…bring up the negative aspects of their opponent? Why??? Look, this is vetting candidates, and I’m not suggesting candidates should hold hands, but I believe this whole issue of civility began because someone didn’t want unfavorable topics brought up about their candidate, OR, they want to hamstring opponents from bringing up questionable subjects. Then if someone gets indignant or open about an opponents sensitive points, they can point fingers and complain about the “toxicity of tone” or “personal attacks”. Silly. Absurd! Let’s not accept this anymore. Let’s decide for OURSELVES, that civility has it’s place, but we must vet candidates, and we must allow for substance over form.
To a certain extent I do agree with Jon Huntsman about how nasty this campaign has become. It’s one thing to challenge an opponent on their record, it’s another to use surrogates like the super pacs to make accusations that never have to be proven. Once an accusation is made, especially a false one, it poisons the atmosphere because whether it is right or wrong, it always leaves some doubt in the voters minds.
As for Huntsman, I don’t think that he showed the passion that made people believe he was anything but a nice guy. Some may have questioned his claims about successes in Utah, while many don’t even know where Utah is. And the fact that he had worked for the Obama Administration , in China no less, leaves a lot of questions about loyalty.
With eleven months left till the election, there is an awful lot that can happen that will sway voters one way or the other. Outside of major issues such as Obamacare, we tend to forget a lot of things that politicians screw up, especially when faced with a slate of candidates that might be less than ideal. As for the money that Obama has to spend, he is going to need far more money than he had last time because now he’s got a record to run on, one that he is going to have to make people forget. If you voted for Obama the first time, and since then lost your job, house, car, maybe more, do you care how much money Obama has to spend on his campaign. If you didn’t lose anything, were you scared that you just might. Four more years of that kind of environment is a lifetime.
I’ve never liked Obama the speaker. He’s arrogant, condescending and insulting. But, even now he’s credited with having a gift for speaking well. Of course, without the teleprompter he’s nothing. More to the point without ‘presentation tricks’ he’s nothing. I’ve saw what he was doing from the start. Example – during the meeting with republicans over Obamacare he sat a little higher, he called the others by their first name while they referred to him as Mr. President. He belittled any reference made to the actual 2000+ pages that he didn’t like in such a way to inhibit retort. He’s positioned himself to make the others look small. Answering back in that setting doesn’t work. “Now, John, the election’s over!” Remember that exchange? McCain could not rebut without looking like a whiner in that setting.
Unfortunately, McCain didn’t fight back during the election. He refused to use Obama’s history.
Mitt or whomever, cannot make that mistake. Obama can be beaten IF we go after his record
AND history (or lack of). And be on the OFFENSIVE.
Mitt should not apologize for his resume at Bain – but talk about who he WILL FIRE. Offensive as opposed to defensive.
And attack Obama HARD.
Obama will be going everything in his power to keep Mitt (or whomever) on the defensive.
We can’t let him do that. That’s when he wins – that’s when people say, “he’s a great speaker, isn’t he wonderful.”
All the better if it can be done without (our) rhetoric falling into insulting terms.
So the Mormon dropped out and endorsed another Mormon. No surprise there. But did you see the debate tonight? 16 Jan. Gingrich owned the debate, besting Romney on every issue. The bar graphs after the debate showed Romney below the line on almost every issue, while Gingrich was well above. Go Newt, we need you. Incidentally, at one point, Newt had a STANDING OVATION from the crowd.
Instead of these guys getting into cat fights they should be focusing their ire on the lying sack of garbage in the white house and his unamerican crony’s like axelrod,van jones,and dianne jarrett among a long list of socialist and marxists.
The big question on this site is howmuchlonger do we have to listen to howmuchlonger and his moaning.Me thinks there’s an agenda looming in the background,doesn’t sound like any R that I know.