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According to a report by Todd Starnes, “The Department of Defense classified Catholics and Evangelical Christians as religious extremists similar to Al-Qaeda, according to training materials obtained by the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty.”
The revelations come just days after Judicial Watch discovered a separate Pentagon training document that depicted the Founding Fathers as extremists and conservative organizations as hate groups.
The Chaplain Alliance uncovered in more than 1,500 pages of documents obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request after a U.S. Army training instructor told a Reserve unit based in Pennsylvania that Catholicism, Evangelical Christianity, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Sunni Muslims, and the Ku Klux Klan were examples of extremism.
What is going on here? Why are these types of characterizations allowed in Barack Obama’s Department of Defense?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCzuzwfCeew
In the training manual, which was obtained by Judicial Watch, it is noted that “many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place.” Wow… does that sound extremist to you? The manual actually states that “the colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule” are an example of “extremist ideologies and movements.”
And here’s one thing to note: The military training manuals use the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as a reference! Are you kidding me? As Starnes reports in another column, the SPLC is “a leftwing organization that has a history of labeling conservative Christian organizations like the Family Research Council as ‘hate groups.'”
“Men and women of faith who have served the military faithfully for centuries shouldn’t be likened to those who have regularly threatened the peace and security of the United States,” Ron Crews, executive director of the Chaplain Alliance, said. “The materials we have received verify that the military views the Southern Poverty Law Center as a reliable source for Equal Opportunity briefings.”
With al Qaeda continuing to plan attacks against America, what in the world is the Pentagon doing focusing on Christians and using the SPLC as a reference? Something is definitely going wrong with our government, and I guess by saying that, I will now be labeled an extremist. Oh well.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again,,,,the best antidote to the destruction offered by the Muslim and Secular Socialist extremists who seek to fundamentally change the cause of Christian based American exceptionalism are extremists of our own, of the Christian warrior class, warriors for truth of the kind that walked the American landscape in 1776. The difference between their extremists and our’s, is that when the battle is over our extremists put down their weapons and go back to building and rebuilding that which the Muslim and secular socialists of social experimentation with other people’s money, blood sweat and tears continue to destroy. Their extremists on the other hand just go back into the woodwork like social parasitical collectives of socialist cockroaches, and hide in the dark until another opportunity or crisis arises when they can come out again and feed off the productive sectors of society. When voted into power they just take all things sacred that Washington D.C. used to stand for and turn the entire city into a roach motel where your money and morals check in, but never check out.
These destroyers of truth and wealth must attack Christianity because they fear our truths, the truths that set men free,,,free from manipulation, free from want, free from dependency upon them where sane clear thinking men and women can no ,longer be manipulated in their socialist deceptions that only succeed in destroying and sacrificing the rights of the individual for the sake of their corrupt secular political collectives of losers. They fear Christians and seek to destroy all things Christian because it is those proven Christian truths that shed light upon the darkness they bring and stand in the way of enshrining their own religion which is secularism and the worship of fallible mankind of consumption and destruction, over the infallible, omnipotent creator of all. You will know them and the father whom they worship by which image they represent,,,children of the light or children of the darkness,,,creator or destroyer,,,,builder or consumer. You will know them by their light prompted fruits, not by their teleprompted words.
Well said iluminatuo! As usual.
I agree, inluminatuo, well said. Obama and his ilk label Evangelical Christians, (which, in their book really means all true believing Christians, not just “Christians in name only,” who are harmless to them); and Catholics (who are also Christians, but I guess Obama doesn’t know the difference), as extremists. I’ll tell that to my little Lutheran grandma who goes to church every Sunday and spends another weekday at church, every week, making quilts for people in need around the world. (People in need of every faith, by the way.) She does carry her thimble in her purse and she better not “advertise” that, if you know what I mean. That sewing kit, utilized by the arthritic little fingers of an 87 year-old woman, touches hearts and lives around the world. I guess it could be considered a weapon of mass construction.
Snarkiness aside, it strikes me that this escalating war on Christianity is taking place because faith is the last bastion of hope for our country as it continues it’s downward slide into becoming Hitler’s dream-come-true. Obama’s liberalism doesn’t want to just be our politics, it wants to be our god. If the ultimate goal isn’t to make this country a muslim nation, then they will be in for a rude shock when it becomes a muslim nation. France and Great Britain are so close to it now, that many of us will see those countries ruled by muslim law in our lifetimes. It’s true that those countries’ “political correctness” and liberal immigration policies opened the door for that to happen, but even more important was the nullification of the Christian faith in France and Great Britain. They have beautiful churches and cathedrals there, but generally, they are empty. They are maintained as tourist attractions. I don’t propose to know the mind of God, but I suspect in some cases He has “left the building.” It’s going to get much rougher for American Christians, and I think, eventually Jews, too in the days ahead. We need to stand together and support each other in the faith, Catholics and Protestants, together, along with Jews who care to join us. Our children and grandchildren are going to need our strength to hang on because it will be harder for them to make their way in this increasingly God-hating country.
As a side note, shame on the Pentagon for buying into this drivel and becoming a liberal lap dog, they should know better. According to Obama’s thinking the people who founded this country were extremists, well, duh! Extremely intelligent, extremely forward thinking, extremely hardworking, extremely courageous, extremely dedicated to building something that would provide a better tomorrow for future generations… sounds to me like we could use some of that extremism right now.
In America, we still have the right and the ‘voice’ to lift our criticisms about anti-Christian attacks. But that window is quickly being closed. The media is definitely tilted against traditional Christian values and takes every opportunity to stick a finger in our eyes. Our public educational system [or lack thereof] takes a very strong anti-Christian stance at all traditional holidays and inculcates a pseudo-tolerant program of relevancy which equals zero. Our culture is quickly dissolving, and if we, the Traditional American Family, don’t stand up and push back, we will see our Nation become something we NEVER would have imagined.
NO surprise here.
Is this not the military that openly allows homosexuals to parade about? I guess transsexuals are okydoky too. See recently convicted Private Manning.
Is this not the military that allows now, bestiality?
I this not the military that knew that Hasan was scuba diving in the boiling waters of Muslim Terrorism, and allowed him to continue his medical practice, allowed him on military bases?
The Powers that Be, now understand that the vast majority of American Sheeple simply DO NOT CARE. The Pentagon could announce next week that Satanic Worship and sacrifice will start next week, and next week, it would.
House Leader, Boehner would cry, and Republican Leader, Reince Priebus would blame Mitt Romney for scaring potential voters.
As someone likely said on the RMS Titanic. “I say, game over.”
From Starn’s original Fox news article, on which the above GOPUSA article was based:
Last April, spokesman George Wright told Fox News the training briefing in Pennsylvania was an “isolated incident not condoned by the Department of the Army.”
“This slide was not produced by the Army and certainly does not reflect our policy or doctrine,” he said. “It was produced by an individual without anyone in the chain of command’s knowledge or permission.”
The Army said the slide was removed, the presenter apologized and they considered the matter closed.
This “Terrorist” bullcrap should bed taken in the same context as any other inflammatory rhetoric, note the source and continue to march.
This brings to mind the bible passage: Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20
As a Catholic, who actually believes what the church teaches (unlike the heretics Pelosi, Biden, Sebelius, Kerry, etc), I am not surprised by the government’s hate for the truth. What is the truth? Jesus is the Truth! After all, I am pro-life, believe in the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman, that children are a blessing and that there are things that we do that are sins. All these things go against the depravity that is being pushed by society and especially the government under the Progressive/ Marxist Obama regime.
Jesus said pick up your cross and follow me. Catholics and Evangelicals have got to be prepared for the persecution that is unfolding. Jesus I Trust in YOU!
“…Catholics and Evangelicals have got to be prepared for the persecution that is unfolding. Jesus I Trust in YOU!”
Well said, sir. To me, this is the bottom line of bottom lines in all of this.
People do not know, what they do not know.
If you don’t know the Love of GOD and have Jesus Christ with you, then you do not know, what you do not know.
Many do not want to know GOD, because they want to live their life by their own desires and the do not want anyone or anything interfering with their deeds and desires.
Why would anyone who does not worship, love and know GOD and Jesus Christ and to try and live their life in accordance with the will of GOD now. Think they would or should spend all eternity with GOD and his Son Jesus Christ.
The relationship between you and GOD is entirely between you and GOD. If you love Jesus, you trust Jesus, we know that all things work together for good to them that love God.
You know, this could be a good thing for my Evangelical brothers and sisters. If you are on-par with islam, then the trend is that every and any U.S government agency is going to want to win your hearts and minds. In other words take your lemons and make lemonade!
so the end is near.our own country that was founded on christianity has fallen into the hands of satan himself in the form of liberalism,socialism,and the green movement.
led by a souless president whos minions will do whatever he wants to help destroy this nation and the world.better get on your knees and pray to god for his blessings and to stop this madness.
What you say is certainly true, but realize that the old America of which you speak must fall in order for the End Time to occur. Reading the signs, it may be as near as 10-15 years, but of course no man can know the actual day or time.
Do you really think Obama is the “leader”? I have always thought he is just the puppet put in the limelight for the extreme left to do whatever the leadership group asks him to do. Soros is right up there in that group. He has taken down other smaller countries and now he is after the US with Obama doing his and others bidding. Obama doesn’t have enough leadership skills to actually make decisions on his own.
Would that American born again Christians were extremists… we wouldn’t be in this mess.
But that’s a lie.
The truth is we live in a generation that calls evil good, and good evil.
And we know in prophesy that blood of the saints will be spilled before the rapture. Rev. 16 (I’m not a pre-tribber)
We don’t know how close we are but you can see the world lining up to fulfill the prophesy and God told us these things in advance so that when it happened we wouldn’t think God had forgotten us. The Bible says God sees the end from the beginning and he laughs at the schemes of the wicked.
Born again Christians don’t have to live in fear of the government, the economy or terrorists. Maybe that’s why they call us extremists.
Many of the comments above are focused on the faith aspect of the discussion, and rightly so, but the other thing going on here is an effort to get the military folks to follow THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF (Sally said so in the video) and do his bidding. Nope! When we enlist or take the oath of office as officers, we swear “to support and defend THE CONSTITUTION”, not a political leader.
They are trying to erode our confidence in the Constitution and the Founding Fathers who wrote it because they KNOW that if they can do that, we’ll be more inclined to follow the CINC.
Stay strong my brothers and sisters in arms! Remember your TRUE allegiance!
LCDR, USN, (RET)
i guess one could conclude from this “statement” that the muslims have taken over control of America’s military.
if this is even close to true then the real Americans better
figure out how to take the country back before your kids are converted.
Never in the history of our country has any administration, pre-Obama, ever sought to label political adversaries (Christians, tea party supporters, pro-life, pro-traditional family values, pro-gun ownership, pro-business, pro-limited government and taxation, pro-border enforcement, etc.), as dangerous extremists or an enemy of the people. I never thought I would live to see the day when an American president would go to such extraordinary measures to force a political agenda on the people contrary to their wishes, or to retain political power for their party. Of course, pre-Obama, we have never before had an American president who despised his country and all that it represented before taking the oath of office. The sum of all fears, we have never had a Marxist leaning American president before, but now we do.
Very well put. Every day it’s a shock to read the news.
It also proves the last generation did a terrible job teaching their (now grown children) about Jesus and the next generation coming up will experience hell on earth.
What in the world happened that caused America to turn upside down in the 60s? Seems like everything since that time has been rebellion party.
You need to study some history.
Read about Joe McCarthy and Nixon.
Not even remotely close to being the same thing arillrunner. McCarthy was not a president. Besides, what did he really do that was so awful during that period? He maintained a list of suspected communist subversives and sympathizers and conducted secret hearings on those people during a period when the nation was engaged in a cold war with Soviets. History has now shown that his lists were mostly accurate. Gee, I wonder if any senator is currently keeping a list of suspected Al Qaeda members in the USA… I sure hope so! Nixon’s enemy list. Come on, really? What president hasn’t had a mental list of those deemed detrimental to their administration? Nixon was dumb for writing it down. They all have had their lists, it’s what they do with those lists that is important. To my knowledge no one on Nixon’s list was ever actually punished by the government nor did he or his party ever use their names publicly to diminish or discredit them politically. Obama’s enemies list is mostly of conservative organizations, of which about half the country supports. I’m sure Fox news is high on that list. Many of those groups have been criticized publicly by this administration and given extra scrutiny by the government. Don’t confuse Obama with Nixon. Nixon loved his country.
This is just Obama’s thugs following his orders. He thinks he is ES the REAL TRUE LIVIG GOD and to punish his followers is just to try and get GOD out of America. Obama is just doing as GOD said people would and so we CHRISTIANS know this would happen and we are ready. So let them have at it, it just means going home is one step closer.
I agree with you, oldsaltydawg, but as a Christian mom, I’m not going down without a fight. My daughter is going to watch me standing strong until I get home to heaven, where I will cheer her on until she is standing next to me.
You are so right TomPF, it’s one thing for them to say this is the way they will look at ‘Churches”, but yet another to get the enlisted to go along with it when it comes to action.
Many of them are Christians too, if fact I would say most of them are. I know many in the services, and all of them say, they
WILL NOT follow an order that’s illegal, no matter what.
I think it would be hard to do anything of substance with this so called information.
George Orwell predicted it in his book 1984: he called it NewSpeak!
Those pulling the strings behind Obama know that in the end, it is our military that can make the difference as to how far these radicals can go in taking over our country. Look at Egypt, for example, who unknowingly voted in a radical group called the Muslim Brotherhood and when the people finally realized how radical this group is compared to the years under Mubarak, their only near term option was a military takeover of the government until new leaders that are approved by the citizens can be put in place. This can only happen in this country if the military has maintained their strong support for our Constitution and traditional American values and are willing to do what is necessary to protect them, even taking temporary control of our federal government if necessary.
The radical socialist takeover of our country being led by Obama is taking us to the brink and they know that our military today is not on their side and needs to be “co-opted” in order to keep them in line. What they fail to realize is that most of our soldiers come from rural towns and were raised within a God loving Christian culture that embraces our Constitution and individual rights. The majority of them are patriots and have sworn to defend our freedom and our Constitution. When it gets down to the short strokes, our boys in the military are going to support their families back home, not a bunch of radical politicians in Washington.
He won’t need the military, he has the epa,irs,fda,fbi,cia,
noaa,ed and other non alphabet agencies that have armed swat teams, plus all local police and sheriff’s departments will be federalized under martial law. But don’t depend on the military not being turned against us…..
…Why are these types of characterizations allowed in Barack Obama’s Department of Defense?….
By inserting this question, the author and article supports “Limbaugh’s Theorem”. The question supports the idea (I refuse to say “notion”) that Obama has nothing to do with these types of characterizations that are “allowed” in “his” Department of Defense….voila! Obama is removed from the responsibility of presiding over and directing his own Department of Defense.
So what. Let them call us what they want. It does not matter. To the radical islamists, nazis, bolsheviks, and progressives / socialists, we ARE extremists. To the British crown in 1776, our Founders WERE extremists. To wicans, satanists, and atheists, we ARE extremists. To militant homosexuals, we ARE extremists.
Who cares ? We should not let labels – which the socialists/progressives are very good at wantonly throwing about – stop us from pushing what we KNOW to be real truth. Wear it as a badge of honor. Besides, think of the credibility of those throwing the names about. Are you really worried about it ? If so why ? That would presume a level of credibility in their assertions that we know not to exist as evidenced by the willful hypocrisy that they exhibit but yet seem to have no issues with (remember, the ends justify the means with theses idealogues).
So don’t worry about it. take it. It will defuse them and then they have nothing. They certainly have no logic to stand up to real truth.
Maybe some of you should read the training manual linked in the article.
The words “evangelical christian” do not appear. Maybe somewhere in the other 1,200 pages claimed.
You folks are way too gullible.
But you are entertaining.
So happy, arilllrunner, that all of us stupid, little people keep you amused. Glad to be of service. Just a caution, though, beware of “swallowing the camel while choking on the gnat.” (Paraphrased, lest you think I am misquoting in my misbegotten ignorance.)
arillrunner … it is you who is gullible if you think that the extreme left is not out to destroy this country and do away with Christianity. Make no mistake, liberals, aided and abetted by Obama, hate the Constitution and everything this country stands for. Those who worship Obama didn’t even ask “how?” when Obama said that he would change this country. They just blindly voted for him. Now we will all have to live with the consequences, which you will not find so entertaining.
From the footnotes in U. S. History we know Christians came here for freedom from state religions. Under Obama, Islam (the religion of Obama’s birth) has achieved all be the official seal of THE State religion and has received every favorable advantage and has produces most if not all of the nation’s terrorists. I know from experience that Evangelicals can be an in your face nuisance, but none are likely to empty magazines of military ammunition into innocent people.
If anyone out there believes that Obama has the best interests of this country first on his list, then let me just say you need to seek psychiatric help and find a padded cell.
I’ve said it before that this guy is the anti-Christ, the spoiler of the Judeo-Christian ethic, here to dismantle America from within all under the guise of being a socialist Robin Hood to the low information voter or LIV’s. One letter misplaced for LIB. And we have an opposition party of Republicans, notwithstanding a very few, who fold like a cheap suit when Obama rattles their cages. We may not be the “Greatest Generation” but we sure as hell are the “Gutless Generation.” We need a leader who will gather all the faithful souls and march on Washington, DC and plant ourselves on their doorsteps and make the fear of God run through their veins until we right this ship of state. And it can’t come too soon in my opinion.
The more I think about this the angrier I get…
I would like to know in what way are Catholics and Christian Evangelicals ‘extremists’ and dangerous to America?
Have Catholics and Evangelicals blown up buildings? Are there Catholic and Evangelical Christian suicide bombers?
Have Catholic and Evangelical Christians vowed to kill all non Christians and rule the world?
No this is just another Hitler move from the Obama administration.
And if GOP doesn’t kick and scream to get him IMPEACHED NOW in a few years the Christians will be carted off to camps and murdered just like the Jews in Germany.
We need to pray, yes and I do. We also need to demand that congress act and we also need to start protesting NOW and marching. We need to band together with one voice in unison!
Are we going to just sit back and wait until they knock on our door and take us away? What wrong have we committed besides disagreeing with immorality and the completely idiotic STUPID BACKWARD RETARDED things Obama has done as a president. Anybody with half a brain would admit he’s run this country into the ground and HE is a threat to the whole world!
Maybe THIS is why the west is not mentioned in Revelation? Because I guarantee you if after all the generous and tremendous outpouring of blessing on this country and now they turn their backs on God and demonize Christians to our harm? Yeah America won’t be around much longer cause God will let it utterly fall.
Something is seriously wrong with our Military, and I believe what is wrong with it is Proxident NObama. He is in serious hate of not only our Flag, America, Americans, God, Jesus Christ, Judeo-Christianity, and everything which has to do with any of them. He is a Narcissist, Communist, Muslim, and in general, a hater of our Bill of Rights, and our Constitution. He believes that our founding Fathers were severely flawed in their interpretation, Ideals, Goals, and compilation of the Documents.
He has banned anything to do with Judeo-Christianity from being taken into ANY Military Hospital Facility, even including the Chaplin. No Bibles are allowed on the premises, nor can any document of a religious nature be taken into, or passed on to, any patient or staff member. He has also banned the words God, and Jesus Christ, and also take open prayer away from and of the Military Personnel. I am sure this does not include , the Koran, or the mention of Allah, which are his religion of choice.
The Military of all ranks have fought, many to the death, for those Documents, and to give us freedom of religion, the pursuit of happiness, and our ways to deal with a tyrant, or Government run amuck, Freedom of liberties, and our rights under the Documents. Is it even possible that all Democrats, Left, Liberals, and Americans in general
Cannot see what this man is doing to our once Great Nation?. Is it possible that they ALL do not care at all, and stand shoulder to shoulder with a man who is sanding against the grain of America, in his attempt to bankrupt us, and destroy us as a powerful Nation. Is it possible that all of these cannot see he hates religion, while quoting from the Koran?. Can’t they see he is slowly, but surely, making our Nation into a third world Country, so that he can declare Martial Law, and take command as a Ruler, Dictator of us, and those too, who helped him accomplish his agenda, and goals for our Country. Do they not realize that he has no love, or allegiance for them, the Illegal Aliens, or all of those millions on Welfare, and our Government assistance programs, except for their blind following of the wolf in sheep’s clothing?. How the hell is it even possible that ANY TRUE AMERICAN would travel down that path with him?. What has he got, that he is holding over them to possibly force them to do his will?. To him, it is all to reach his ultimate goal of bringing down the most powerful Nation on the face of the Earth, beginning with it’s Bankruptcy, it’s Bill of Rights, Constitution, freedom of Religion, freedom of Speech, and every other right we have either Constitutionally, morally, or Religiously.
We absolutely MUST, in the 2014 election, endeavor seriously to make sure we take both House and Senate. This is not an option, it is a necessity. We can do it, but each of us must spread the word, so that we have the numbers Actually Voting, to achieve that Goal, thereby clipping the Vultures wings. YES WE CAN!!!.
We’ve come very close to the point of no return. Christians are going to have to become far better students of their own scriptures and quit defaulting to the nice smiley guy persona as the major emphasis of manifesting their faith.
Christ frequently got in the face of people who were liars and hypocrites. Our country has lost a terrible amount of ground already and Americans still dither with being acceptable and not ruffling feathers. Leaves more time for self-indulgence, too.
Obama didn’t waste any time once getting into office the first time. He immediately starting inserting Muslims and homosexuals into all of our nations security apparatus from military to CIA and Homeland Security.
Since being elected for a second term, Obama has been furiously writing executive orders about which we hear next to nothing about. The laws have been completely twisted, distorted, and fly straight into the face of our Constitution.
Obama is openly careless about his real agendas because he knows no one will call him on anything. But then, no one is listening either.
The birds are chirping and the sun rises every morning, so nothing at all is amiss – right?
Kirby, you are so right. We have been hussled, blindsided, and trodden on by this man, but ya know, I believe truly that things are happening as they are supposed to.
The Bible has so many Prophecies, which we can follow as completed, and we are, in my own opinion, in the end times. This is not a guess, as all one of faith has to do is read the scriptures, and see so many of these Prophecies being fulfilled, right now, especially since this Vulture took over our Whitehouse, God’s word has laid out a very clear path of things to come, as told by his Disciples, and Prophets. I believe this is God’s plan for now, and that it is merely a giant step forward to fulfillment of his words, of things to come, and happen. I have prayed much about what is happening to our Country and People, asking God to have his will, but begging that the woes we are facing are only a phase, All I have to do is watch TV, the Movies which once were censored, can now say the very worst of things. Same goes for many of the prime time series, not only the fowl language, but as of late, I am seeing also that there is much Gay and Lesbian relationships being formed in many of the shows. We can see so very clearly that our Nation is turning into Sodom and Gomorrah, but it will not be destroyed, as we are in the birth pangs of the end times. I believe within a few very short years, to right now, we will see Jesus come through the clouds, and the fates of all flesh is written in stone at that time. We will all be judged, and rewarded according to what our life has been here on this planed. He will call first, those who sleep in the earth, then raise up the saved, born again Christians to reign with him forever in his Kingdom once the final battle is fought, and won by the savior and his Angels. It is now, that all still have a chance to repent, ask God that their sins be forgiven, believe that his Son died on the Cross, in suffering and spilled blood, that all who believe with a pure Heart, follow the Commandments and gain Eternal Life in a place such that eyes have never seen, nor the mind ever conceived of the beauty and love abounding there. No pain, no sorrow, no infirmities, and the Glory of the Father God, and his Son Jesus will dwell within our Hearts for Eternity. If I am wrong, I loose nothing, but if I am right, as I truly believe, I gain it all along with all the other Born Again.
I agree with you “freedomfighter”. Most of the prophecies have been fulfilled. We await Israel’s already completed precursors to actually building the temple.
America let itself be “hussled”. America bought into a cheap used car salesman who is backed by some very big “interests” – interesting “interests”, but we bought it ourselves nevertheless.
I personally won’t cop to being taken to the cleaners as Obama was very obvious from the beginning. Simple internet stories and a few books told the real story before he was elected the firsts time. Stupid, stupid, & stupid – on America’s part.
Obama and his puppet masters have played a flawless and highly prepared game of chess. Americans were still dinkin’ around on their golf courses and making vapid conversation over the latest “big game” – matters of high import.
Oh my those terrible Christians with their, love thy neighbor and do unto others, junk. Never saw people get so threatened by the prospect of having absolute right and wrong. Its a classic case of God complex. They don’t need the Son of God to set the rules for them, they will determine what all of us should and shouldn’t be doing.