A female Democratic House member shocked fellow lawmakers Wednesday when she said that the revealing clothing that some members and staffers wear is an “invitation” to sexual harassment.
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) made the comments during a private Democratic Caucus meeting Wednesday to discuss sexual harassment issues, according to two Democratic sources in the room.
“I saw a member yesterday with her cleavage so deep it was down to the floor,” Kaptur said, according to the sources present. “And what I’ve seen … it’s really an invitation.” The comments left many others in the room stunned, the sources said.
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She is totally correct. This does not justify harassment, but the way some women dress I can understand why it happens. They flaunt it, expect and want you to look at them and then scream harassment if you say anything or do anything. Almost like intrampment.
David Powell, You hit the nail on the head. Some women will dress with low cut blouses and super short skirts so men will look at them and then they will scream sexual harassment.
I’ve long said “IF YOU DON’T want people oogling you, DON’T wear so revealing clothing that you get such looks.. Its common sense. Just like if you don’t want your car broken into, don’t leave stuff visible to tempt thieves.
The ones who hit the floor upon hearing her words are the same ones who hit the floor and present, when propositioned. The bible states that the mouth (Hole/Cleavage) of a woman is a deep pit and many a MAN will fall therein. Men can only fight back with intentionally equivalent revealed plumbers butts. Maybe the next time our male lawmakers see an overextended cleavage on the job, just drop a quarter in to pay for visual services rendered. The women should do the same to the men, then all can feel warm fuzzy and EQUAL inside. This is what America has come to when law making men and women get to swap restrooms and nobody knows what sex they are, or how their sex is to properly behave, in the Democrat inspired socially redefined beehive where you can’t differentiate the Queens from the drones. If you flaunt it they will pounce, its just in the male human DNA, and for a reason, so we will multiply, subdue and conquer our environment, not surrender to it in twisted political correctness.
I’m a female and totally agree with inluminatuo. This country’s east and left coast is especially confused, angry, hateful & messed up in their heads. I call it “self-destruction of a nation, from the inside out”
I agree. Why advertise what you aren’t selling? While no woman deserves to be harassed they really need to use a bit of common sense. BTW, I am a woman.
And that is really the heart of the issue. Most of the women on the #metoo bandwagon are, in fact, NOT victims. Having a coworker as you out on a date is NOT sexual harassment. Having a random stranger compliment your appearance or even whistle is NOT sexual abuse. And above all… REGRET IS NOT RAPE.
The term “sexual harassment” is so fuzzy now in its meaning, that is a major problem. Some actions are obvious, like quid pro quos, but I don’t think giving a sincere compliment to a cowrker is. A big problem is there is no standard that we all agree upon. One major annoyance of mine is the use of the term “sexual assault” rather than rape. Rape is pretty clear cut. Sexual assault is a fuzzy term.
That all said, while I do not think the homeowner that did not lock his door deserves to be burglarized, I do think he is foolish not to lock his door. As it is foolish to walk in the bad part of town at night by oneself.
I’ve log been saying there are NO WAY IN HELL all these victims.. How the heck can anyone claim “I was taking a picture with XYZ In public and he put his hand up my skirt,” and not ONE bystander notice it.
Your misspelling for the word for entrapment is totally appropriate. Intrampment is the trapping of tramps.
I read it as entrapment by tramps.
me too! hahaha So which is it, David Powell?
Finally, a strong woman with common sense who speaks reality! Men have been sexually harassed for way too long in office settings, where women know that showing skin will get them promoted faster than more experienced colleagues. With the exception of Hollywood, where do you see men dressing to show off their reproductive-related body parts? I don’t remember having a suit that enhanced my bulging crotch or my finely sculpted *** silouette. It would be nice to see the whining hypocrite women called out more on this matter of inequality. If you don’t want a man to notice you for your physical sexual attributes, keep it under wraps. And don’t complain when you don’t get the attention you crave. You can’t have it both ways, and not be busted.
Fabrio, you don’t need to show a bulge, just lick your eyebrows!
Exactly.. Everyone’s heard of the office sl ut, who slept around to get the promotion or pay rise.. TILL SHE finds someone who refuses her advances, then it becomes ‘sexual harassment “HE propositioned me!!”
Although it is nice for a guy to look at, maybe the woman in question should be reported for sexual harassment. She is harassing the man by exposing herself, and giving him thoughts he would not otherwise have about her.
Actually I think the way some women dress is harassment in itself. It speaks volumes for women to dress as if they just got out of bed with someone or to dress like they would like to jump into bed with someone. As a man I think this ought to be considered harassing me. Period!
Yes there will be critics of what I say because thats what discussion is all about. But please……
Hence why i keep saying DRESS CODE, DRESS CODE, DRESS CODE.. AND enforce the bloody thing!
I agree 100%. Women can get mad all they want. Women do not wear short skirts and low cut blouses to impress other women. What is the purpose or mission of wearing those types of apparels??? Really?? I can remember counseling women on that in the 70s. And, of course, it had gotten worse. Do you see men wearing shirts unbuttoned to their belly button or —if they bend over—-showing their penis/testicles in the workplace?? No. And 3 or 4” heels cannot be comfortable or good for women’s feet. So why do they wear them? Because they are sexy? Sexy for who? If women were honest, they would say—“why do I wear these things”????
Your point is taken and ought to be emphasized. It’s analogous to playing with fire and expecting never to get burned.
And David, the word you intended is, entrapment.
Indeed. This is a lesson I learned the hard way during the 1960s here & in Paris. I discovered that I was attracting creepy guys, not just the cute ones I wanted to notice me, at the beach & in university in Paris. It was the age of mini skirts but I lowered my hems to avoid attention from the wrong people. Fast forward to my years working in a hospital- I noticed that older doctors (not folks I wanted attention from) held doors open for me when I wore shorter skirts but not when I wore pants and long skirts- no more short skirts. The final lesson was more upsetting at an age when I should have known better. Five years ago I visited my journalist daughter in Jordan & Egypt. It was 130 degrees so I was wearing white cotton Target pants. My daughter warned me that they were thin & you could see through them, saying that she was just saying. In the x-ray line at the Cairo airport a policeman grabbed my butt, putting his face right next to mine. I yelled at him but he was armed so I didn’t do anything more. Thank goodness two business travelers got in line & he stopped. Come on, ladies, no one’s advocating assault but it’s up to you to pay attention to the message you’re sending- shouldn’t be like that but it is.
ANd like i said to some ladies i have chatted with ON THIS when doing ‘sexual harassment training in the Navy’. IF YOU DON’T wanna get mugged, don’t go out in town and flash cash in seedy bars. The same applies to your suggestive clothing. It sends the wrong bloody message..
when is it going to be totally illegal to hit on a woman or talk to them?
i mean c,mon man.
capricorn1,
Never happen as they’d all have to get jobs then instead of try to bag a guy with a plane or, at least, a damned good job and portfolio.
Basically now. Feminists see this as their big opportunity to push the idea that the accusation IS the proof.
IMO we are already there Capricorn. Which is why i say if i owned a company i wouldn’t HIRE ANY WOMEN, so as to ensure there is NO chance any worker (or myself) could ever be done for sexual harassment.
You can hit on them just not at the workplace or if they’re shopping with their kids. Choose the right setting like a party or bar. If they say go away, go away. A polite respectful show of interest goes a long way. Same goes for women.
Not always. I tried hitting on one lass (an E4 Info tech) i saw when doing a school, who worked on my Carrier, just in a totally separate department. After i tried asking her out for a date IN TOWN when i met her in one of the restaurants up on Mil Highway near the mall.. SHE whined to her chain, who then brought it to My chain.. SO you CAN STILL get in trouble just merely trying to get a date.. So its better to just NOT DO IT, with co-workers period.
This woman is right. Young women dress like tramps today and then expect not to be harrassed. It is like entrapment and I am sometimes am ashamed of my gender. I suggest that women stop following fashion and show some respect for themselves and those around them by dressing like a professional instead of a common *****. Keep the cleavage for the bars and clubs.
And that’s why imo any place with a dress code should have it apply to ALL< not just men, while women have their own code..
Can women dress as provacatively as they want? Yes. Is there a price to this? Yes.
Likewise, I can walk down the street in a bad neighborhood wearing hundred dollar bills stapled to the outside of my shirt. There’s no law against it. But If I get jumped by some thugs who then take the money I so foolishly exposed, do I really have a right to complain? Or did I have it coming?
This doesn’t justify the thugs. They still beat me up and robbed me of my money. It’s a criminal act. But if you’re the chief of police, how much manpower would you spend trying to round up thugs who do this to other people with money stapled on the outside of their clothing?
If it was me, I’d sooner allocate the manpower on normal sensible people who made every right choice but still fell victim to criminal activity.
Unless this issue of sexual harassment is resolved properly…… may take a year or two…… a movement to not hire women will take hold. Employers are now surely looking at this and will slow down their hiring of women…. in government or in private companies.
One immediate consequence of this is the imposition of an office dress code.
But like i said the other day, THAT will then get the feminazis crying “Sexual discrimination, you are being too mysognistic”..
It is also fair to say that the woman wearing revealing clothing is sexually harassing anyone who is NOT the intended target of the provocative dress. It is like putting a steak in front of a person who hasn’t eaten for a week, then telling them not to eat it.
I like that steak comparison…
I get your point and I agree that women should dress much more modestly. However, Eve did not make Adam sin. No one makes another person sin. Sin is a personal choice and Adam chose to eat of the forbidden fruit. Yes, he tried to blame it on Eve when God questioned him but he made the choice.
People are trying to deny nature these days. Look, men are visually stimulated, women emotionally stimulated. We always have been, and no PC trend is ever going to change that. Why do you suppose “men and women will never understand each other”? Or “Men are from Mars, women are from Venus”? It’s because we see the world through different lens. Women notice other women’s shoes, men see their faces and fannies and boobs.
Men have loved looking at women for as long as time has existed. Yes, there is such thing as being gentlemanly, but to believe that dressing with your breasts prominently displayed is not going to draw attention is crazy. No, that doesn’t mean they should make women uncomfortable, or threaten retaliation for turning down our attentions. But please–don’t dress in a way that makes us captive to our thoughts and then get offended when we express them.
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) was right (and yes I almost gagging saying a Democrat was right). If a conservative male had said the same thing though he would have been verbally drawn and quartered as a misogynistic woman hater. If they want to “advertise the goods” the work place is not the place to do it. On their own time and in a social setting is when and where. That way if comments are made that offend them they can say or do something to stop it. Humans are visual creatures and respond to visual stimulus one way or another. I’m not saying that women have to dress like Nuns in the 50’s or Muslim women in burqas but showing cleavage down to their navel or a skirt/dress so short that they have to have a bikini wax is not appropriate for work.
Dress codes, dress codes, dress codes.. THAT’s all imo, that needs to get said.
MAKE THEM apply to all. PERIOD.
I totally agree! The women I know who bare way too much beast tissue love the attention and they actually think it’s funny to see the men Google at them. Unfortunately, Christian women sometimes dress rather provocative. Men do get turned on by looking at breasts, bottoms and legs. I see way too much thigh tissue on Fox News either on Out Numbered or on The Five. I am a retired professional woman that valued respect over attention.
I have never understood why it is ok for a woman to go out in public displaying her chest to the world but nobody is supposed to look. Obviously they do it on purpose. What if men wore shorts with their testicles exposed? Oh, they’d be arrested. I like a woman as much as any heterosexual man but I do prefer them to dress decent in public. It is very distracting and usually uncomfortable trying to avert your eyes constantly so as not to be called a name.
Blame that on Feminism… The whole bra burning days, pushing the issue ‘women can dress how they bloody want’…
Thank you, Rep. Kaptur.
Men and women are different. Men react more to the visual and women to the aural.
Half-naked women are used to sell everything we see on TV, including the news. Their attire is entirely inappropriate for business and that is why they get called things like “talking heads”. Nobody listens to the news because they can’t take their eyes out of the exposed cleavage.
It’s not just ordinary women who are being misguided into what is appropriate attire. The trend has been to encourage women to wear “sexy” attire, which, IMHO, is sexual harassment of men.
Girls, you can’t have it both ways. Dress like a sexy **** and you will be treated like one. If you are calling that kind of attention to yourself, you cannot accuse a man of “sexual harassment” because he reacts like a normal man. This current double standard, that woman can dress however they want but men cannot react, is psychological castration.
That being said, manners, etiquette and moral rectitude MUST factor into this conversation. It’s a two-way street.
I agree. That’s why the ladies of the Fox show Outnumbered i like so much. YES they may show legs a lot, but they keep the rest covered up.
OMG
It must be the end of the world
We actually have a democrat telling the truth
Well, I’ve seen that sort of clothing too – that style of dress – but, unless there is a certain agreement between a woman and a man who are attracted to each other – then, there is never an ‘invitation’ to do anything other than glance and look at things then that are proper. Ladies used to dress conservatively…and some ladies still do…but, not all women dress in a conservative fashion and those who may not are still to be treated with respect and not otherwise.
I disagree. If you have your boobs flopping all over with a low neckline, you’re sending a message. Your making your main feature sexuality. You’ve turned yourself into a sexual object. Not appropriate in the workplace. Some women are naturally attractive even if they dress moderately. They don’t deserve sexual remarks or overtures. Men have dress standards & so should women.
Feigning moral outrage. Give me a break. Owing to their long sordid history of defending sexual perverts and deviants of all sorts, democrats are the last people on earth to think they have standing to criticize anyone concerning any sexual missteps.
I think the Rep. is right. I don’t care if she’s a Dem. She’s not disqualified from making a valid point because her party & their supporters are sleazy. If Weinstein decided to lecture women on their dress, I’d say BS.
I am just waiting to see/hear the media and feminist backlash she’s gonna get.
Totally correct. If a woman dresses to look sexy then she’ll get a sexual response – it’s the, ‘I’m interested in sex’ message. If females fall all over men, intiate body contact, flirt excessively then a guy will assume they’re interested in sex. If women get crap faced in the bar, how can they arguably say whether they gave consent or not. Women need to examine their own behavior & not dump all the responsibility on men.
My thoughts exactly, entrapment for guys short on willpower! Like leaving fresh hamburger meat on a low serving table and expecting your pet Labrador to resist eating it.
The fairer sex has used sex as a form of currency to get what they want for just about forever.
Now, all of a sudden, they are indignant about it.
Do you think that, for instance, the cosmetic industry is such big business because women are trying to make themselves repulsive and immune to sexual advances?
Hollywood, the Dems biggest supporters, have made zillions off of promoting sex and violence. They have turned women into sexual objects. Hollywood produces the models for thug culture (along with rap music) & trashy behavior. The Dems cater to & love celebrities. Then the Dems & the celebs have the nerve to lecture the rest of the population about equality & justice.
Prostitutes, before the days of every thing free’ would walk the streets half naked to advertise their profession. This fact has been programmed in the minds of men. When they see a woman half naked, his mind shifts to what is expected of him. The human mind is a dangerous mechanism, it has to be constantly trained to think and do what is right. Our supposedly brilliant judges and legislators have smothered the Ten Commandments so no one has been corrected for anything now for over 60 yrs. So a civilized society has disappeared, we now live in a jungle environment and it can only get worse.
Isn’t it a puzzling curiosity that advertising, the practice of displaying what you’re selling to its best advantage in hopes those exposed to it will be persuaded to buy it, when practiced by women with makeup, perfume, manicures/pedicures, hair styles, and clothing, intended to provoke interest and garner attention, from men and/or women, is not regarded as such? Of course, men do it, too, but the ruckus being raised isn’t about them, it’s about women’s displays.
Kaptur told true. Good for her.
If President Trump or ANY Republican had said a thing like that, the Commucrats would be rending their garments and shrieking, “He’s blaming the victim! He’s blaming the victim!” SMH
Women who dress in provocative clothes know that they’re being provocative just as men know what is appropriate conduct.
Women also are aware that they can charge a male with sexual harassment if they are upset about not getting what they want in promotions or other things and collect big settlements.
Especially so these days, where they also KNOW tha making up false accusations won’t get them ONE LICK Of punishment,
Rep. Kaptur is totally correct! When I was younger I worked at a machine shop of all men except the three females office workers. Every day there was this one female would walk out into the shop and strut around with a stick out bra! AND sometimes her bra had the nipples obviously cut out to show her nipples! Most of the men, me included had our eyes glued on her!
Was this sexual harassment? Or some type of sexual sex-plotation?
Kaptur is the Typical IGNORANT LIBERAL FEMALE blames women like Hitlery did for the actions of their men. There is nothing a woman wears that should make anyone with a brain(leaves Democrats out)think it is OK to do anything or say anything other than saying politely you may want to cover up better or that is a little revealing for the office. Things of that nature are the only thing one should say and if it is a man wearing his shirt wide open or super tight pants again say the office is no place for that clothing choice. While short skits are the style it is not OK for someone and I mean anyone to act as if a short skits is a sign they can do as they please or say whatever they please to one wearing such. I am a man and if I see someone in a short skirt I will tell them to either pull it down or that they might want to cover themselves because I do not want to see their wares so to speak. I would not do it loudly or rudely. I would just say politely that their attire was not proper for work. If that is where they were. Sadly Kaptur is from my state and hopefully after the people see what she said she won’t be for long.
oldsaltydawg I hear what you are saying but I am afraid you are behind the times and setting yourself up for a claim. Most of the folks here agree that what a woman wears is not a license to harass her but, contrary to popular opinion harassment is not unique to the male gender. Not having a witness (preferably a woman) and informing a woman that her attire is not suitable for the work environment will get a harassment claim filed against you. I am not claiming every woman would do this but most of the women that wouldn’t file a claim most likely aren’t wearing the kind of clothes that require someone to say something. In this age of PC running amok the Pence rule or CYA is now becoming a way of life.
See, y’all just don’ unnerstan’. I wear low-cut blouses so my tattoos are visible, and my skirts are so short my panties (when I wear ’em) show, but, all the while, I’m hoping no one will notice. Check me out at WalMart. But don’t you dare stare, that’s sexual harassment