Do Christian Schools have a right to be Christian?

To file a lawsuit (cha-ching)and 15 minutes of fame. Oh, and to force their lifestyle down everyone else’s throat!!!

No, they shouldn’t break their rules and beliefs for a 5 year old child. That is the stupidest comment I have heard in a long time. Are you trying to say children can’t adjust? Adjusting to something like this is better done when they are young. Why should everyone else have to change their belief system for a 5 year old? Get real. Why did they take her to a Christian school to begin with? Obviously they don’t believe in the word of God so why? I’ll tell you why. So they can have their 15 minutes of fame and money from a lawsuit. Just listen to their ignorant attorney. Those of us who send out children to a Christian school do so for a reason and it’s not to be exposed to a Gay/Lesbian lifestyle.

To be able to form a show and be able to sue for money they don’t deserve. I am very pragmatic but as a Christian I do believe that the devil is pushing us and is everywhere, most families with big problems. This regime is pushing all kinds of aberrations and immoralities, poisoning our children with the idea that it is normal and that we are the selfish, fanatics minds that oppose it. I am making sure my youngest grandchild wears the rosary under his shirt, the blessed mother advised us of what is happening during the Fatima apparition, she only ask us to pray the rosary to avoid it. I have seen the devil and it works, the first thing he did convince people that he doesn’t exist. Don’t forget that abortion is MURDER and the soul of the innocents is the best sacrifice you can do for him. He promises everything, he wants souls for the final battle, we are in grave danger and our country dangling by a thin threat. In God We Trust!

In this case I will have to disagree with all of you regarding why they enrolled this child. The school just changed their policy manual a few weeks ago to give them the power to discharge the student. That’s not right. They had no rules against it to begin with and the school knew, or should have known, that the parents were lesbians. Also, I would much rather have this child in a school being taught that this is wrong than in a public school which condones such conduct. One child saved is better than none !!

“They should leave her in the school. It is the only normal environment she will be able to experience.”

It really depends on who will be changing whom.

Many seem to be under the impression the school will be free to practice their beliefs as they see fit, despite the fact they were told they will not allow it, since it is the equal of human sacrifice and cutting off hands for theft.

After thirty years of doing what is imagined doing what Jesus would do, the country now has homosexual marriage, and they are not done yet

Do you really think that would have been the result of his action?

Maybe, people need to read his words again

He said

Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

sweetsuzee, i don’t see how putting a 5-year-old in the middle of tug-of-war between two sets of values she is too young to understand is going to “save” her from anything. She learns by day in school that her parents’ lesbian lifestyle is WRONG, then goes home to be told it is RIGHT–can only end in total confusion for the kid caught int he middle!

Problem is if they allow her to attend they also allow a LGBT platform and all of their lawyers to attack the whole school. This is not fair to the other children. There are plenty of taxpayer funded schools where they can send their child to learn in a moral vacuum and there is no reason for them to send the child to a Christian school other than to start trouble. They are going to teach her to hate Christians anyway no matter what you do. If she stays it’s, “those homophobic haters”! If she goes it’s, “those homophobic haters”! It is a no win situation for the child so spare her the dilemma of being stuck between a rock and a hard place and let her move on.

I wonder if the school did this in order to spare the child. While I’m sure they don’t discuss homosexuality in kindergarten or first grade the subject might come up if the child talked about her two mommies. This is a cruel trick perpetrated by the lesbians and the child is just a pawn. How incredibly sad for her.

@ jstjon

“They should leave her in the school. It is the only normal environment she will be able to experience. I am at a loss as to why this couple would want her in a Christian school in the first place.”

I thought the same thing for a moment. Poor child. It’s not her fault she’s being raised this way. But upon further thought, you do have to ask yourself why they had her in this school in the first place.

I’m sure they expected something like this to happen. What a great opportunity to bully Christians into accepting their lifestyle.

The fact that they’re using an innocent child to do it is even worse.

Slightly off topic, but yet not, I have to make a statement which will, no doubt, ruffle some feathers. Our Constitution was specifically written to protect the rights of all people, Correct?.
In the first Amendment of that document, it talks about Religion, and one’s rights to practice their Religion without Government interference.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances“. speaking of Religion specifically it says “ or prohibiting the FREE EXERCISE thereof”.

It makes a specific point of saying Congress shall make no law respecting AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION. To me, this means that the Government cannot pick or choose a specific Religion. This in total, guarantees that no specific Religion can be preferential over another. Shall not Establish. It also goes on to say that “ ,or prohibiting the FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; This tells me quite plainly, that the Government may not disallow ones freedom of Religion, or abridging the freedom of speech.
This being said, by the Constitution, should be a absolute law in the running of our Government, not infringe upon, or stop people from practicing their Religion, as long as it breaks no laws in doing so.

Why, then, I must ask does the Government openly allow the Muslim Religion free rights to practice their Religion any place, any time. Such as granting them time for their prayers in school, work Government, stores, or anywhere else it is time for their prayer session?.
All while disallowing Judeo-Christians any rights to practice their Religion at all. Not in schools, not on the job, not in Washington, or openly in public.
If this is not a establishment of a Religion, then what is?. Preferential treatment of any one Religion over another, is strictly forbidden in our Constitution, yet our own Government does it consistently.

Our Government has a Official Government written list of once 72, 2013, possibly now more, as I have not looked at it recently which they Consider Terrorists, or Dissenters, basically
arrest able on suspicion alone. You are very likely on this list, one way or the other. If you are a Judeo-Christian, or against Muslimism, you are certainly on the list. Don’t believe me?, check it out for yourself. This is a OFFICIAL Government list.
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/72-types-of-americans-that-are-considered-potential-terrorists-in-official-government-documents
Each on the list can be clicked on, and taken to a link which describes the reason, and or decision for that particular name or group to be on the list. Be very careful what you do and say, as this list covers a very large range of types which qualify for the list. A couple of the supposedly conservative chat sites I have visited previously, have banned some of my posts. I believe that they are being monitored, and possibly took off my comments because at times some of them at least touch on some of the items listed in this list. Possibly by Government comment monitoring groups. I am happy to be able to post my views openly on GOPUSA. Apparently they are not intimidated by these monitors, as even their authors go off pretty heavy at times. I enjoy this site, and believe there are some pretty intelligent posters here. I enjoy reading most of the comments/posts.

Sweetsuzie.. I see nothing in the report saying that the manual was JUST changed.. All i notice is that they showed a clip OF the manual.

As to whether this school should be forced to keep the kid in, just to appease the parents, IMO no..
What’s next, being told they have to accept a student cause his parents are Muslim?

Yes, yes and a double yes to that!

Add another double yes to that. I would have loved to see these parents try this with a Jewish school or Muslim school..

Oh that’s right, its only Christian ones that are targeted.

Well lets see. Bend a little rule for one child and then bend another rule for the next child and before you know it, you have no more rules and/or requirements. Sounds a little like Hillary’s “drip, drip, drip”!

And how do you explain to the other students in this child’s class that this girl has two mommies. Letting her stay gives a stamp of approval to this behavior. Please check out what you are rubber stamping. You will not like what you see.

As a conservative Lutheran I agree with what you are saying, Ikplumley. Here is my take on it as a parent, and now grandparent, of children who attend and attended conservative Lutheran schools. The child is not able to choose who her parents are or what kind of life they lead. We miss a great opportunity here to show the world that, although our faith does not condone same sex marriages, we are all sinners and God, who is perfect, loves us in spite of our sins. We are called to mimic His love. This child is not in a same sex marriage or relationship, none of us get to choose our parents (who are all sinners, by the way, just as we are.) If I were the one calling the shots at that school, I would recommend accepting the child with open arms but also letting the parents know that our beliefs do not condone non-celebate same sex relationships, and their child will be taught that tenet along with the other religious training she will get at the school. If they are OK with that, so be it. The only unforgivable sin is spitting God’s grace back in his face. We do that when we hinder a little child because of the lifestyle of his or her parents. Woe be it to those who do not “suffer the little ones” to come unto Him.

I see your point but this also looks suspiciously like a way for gays to attack another Christian school. What’s going to happen at Christmas? A lot of Christian schools have prayer time and give a little 20 min message during the day. Is this child’s parents going to target every sermon and message and teaching and celebration this school celebrates? Its hard to say no when every time we turn around the gays are trying to punish us because we refuse to participate in their wedding ceremonies or don’t want them in our bed and breakfasts.. in our homes. The little child being used as a pawn actually becomes a liability to Christian freedom for many other little children.
It’s unfortunate for the child but how can you not question the motive of an openly gay couple choosing a Christian school KNOWING FULL WELL THE BIBLE CONDEMNS HOMOSEXUALITY AS A SIN?

You’re right. This was not the Christian way. This little girl absolutely needs to be in this school. This is the only place she will learn that the two mommies are living a life contrary to Jesus’s teachings. I would much rather see the law suit come from that…and it would…than from getting kicked out for something she had no control over.

You are so correct, lkplumley. The school just changed their policy manual a few weeks ago to give them the power to discharge the student. That’s not right. They had no rules against it to begin with and the school knew, or should have known, that the parents were lesbians. Also, I would much rather have this child in a school being taught that this is wrong than in a public school which condones such conduct. One child saved is better than none !

What is frightening to me about some of the comments here is that folks seem to be condemning the child for the sins of the parents. My duty, as a conservative Christian, is to share the love of God with everyone, and who needs to hear it more than this little girl? Allowing the child to attend the school puts the Christian teachers, parents, students and administrators in the drivers seat. If you tell the child’s parents – up front – what you are going to be teaching this child as far as same sex relationships go, and they still enroll her then they have no basis for complaint or legal action. Nobody is saying the school has to change anything to adapt to this child’s gay parents. What I am saying is have some mercy for the poor child. Who knows what good God can work out of a firm but welcoming attitude on the part of the school. Our job is to share the faith, God’s job is to change the hearts and minds. What a glorious thing it is to have a small part in that process!

“Nobody is saying the school has to change anything to adapt to this child’s gay parents.”

You did read the article?

The lawsuit contends holding the view homosexuality is wrong is the equal of human sacrifices and cutting of hands for theft and NO ONE HAS A RIGHT to such a BELIEF

It further implies, they had better not teach it and since they are not allowed to teach it they have no right not letting their child go to school there

And the school is say, this is what we teach and you are more than welcome to bring your life into conformance with this teaching and have the child enjoy the education it provides

Because it is hard to teach a children to obey parents in the Lord which he did not give them

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

So you got two choices, lie that you will not teach what you clearly plan to do, or stop teaching what you believe

In either case you have caused a light to go out of the world and made the whole world a little darker,

Of course, if more had had the courage of their convictions and stood up when told this would hurt no one, and said it was a lie, then the faithful would not have to hide themselves to protect their children from this evil, which some are still deluding themselves with the belief they can compromise with it

I am shocked i am seeing so many say the school should make ‘accommodations’ and break their rules just for this one kid..
I am sorry, but that is how it starts. Make one accommodation.. then they are being asked to make another, and another, and another…

When does it stop?

You took the words out of my mouth, or keyboard.

It appears to me that religious schools other than Christian are allowed to establish and enforce similar rules and we never hear a word.

Its only when a Christian school, church, business stands on their beliefs that we hear any complaints. If these “parents” don’t like this school let them try a Muslim school.

Christianity is not just under attack as if it’s a fad that will pass. This is only the beginning and it will get much worse before Jesus comes back to get us.

Right now is the time to decide to stand up on the side of Jesus. There is no more grey area. That’s over. It will never come again.

According to the parable of 10 virgins waiting to meet the master when he came back.. they ALL knew who the master was. They were ALL 10 Christians.

But 5 wise virgins had oil in their lamps.. they had the Holy Spirit living on the inside.

And the 5 foolish virgins were apparently just religious and using the church as a social club. The 5 foolish got left behind.. they were shocked and outraged and screamed for help but it was too late… the master had come and gone without them.
Slightly paraphrased from Matthew 25.

The point is .. Have any of you reading this actually asked Jesus to forgive you of your sin and to come live inside you forever? Have you asked Jesus to be the Lord of your life and given everything over to Him? Now is the time to do it.

Head’s not buried in sand! Feel free to make your own guass!!

Very true. If there ever DID exist a school that “Believed in human sacrifice” i would seriously consider any parent WANTING to send their kid there to be committing abuse against the kid.

Sorry to gross you out, paganstve, but they do have tongues. The can be sodomites.

Technically every one is a sodomite since sodomy also includes oral sex.

Yes they are, even though people have an absolute HISSY FIT if a Christian dares to say a prayer in that same school where MUSLIMS are allowed to OPENLY try to recruit your kids! Can’t even have a CHRISTMAS TREE anymore–too offensive to Muslims.

Nope. But we have had schools celebrate Muslim holidays, have “Burka appreciation’ days..

Well said. IMO the school would be targeted either way.

This is why parochial schools must be very clear and open about their doctrine from the get-go. Before children are accepted into the school the parents should be required to read and sign the statement of what the school believes and what their child will be taught according to those beliefs. ALL parents need to sign that statement, thereby giving their permission for their children to be taught according to the tenets (and yes, folks, it is tenets not tenents) of those beliefs. When the parents sign off I don’t see how they can try to sue for any reason. These women are obviously using their child to get money/further their cause which, in my opinion, is child abuse. However, I am still am unwilling to throw children under the bus because their parents are devious and evil. We have to be smarter and more compassionate than that. Who knows, but down the road some child may remember how kind and loving the Christians were at his or her school and that may impact him or her in ways we can’t even imagine. We don’t have to change but neither do we have to sink to the hateful level of the left. Keep it Christlike and people will listen or not, but whether they actually hear is God’s job not ours. Hire a great lawyer to write an ironclad statement, make the parents sign it as a requirement to enroll their children, and go about with the good work in a good way.

There is nothing in the above article about whether they were or not open up front.
BUT just cause the parents signed off, does not mean anything.
Look at the # of times someone has signed off on a “morality clause” for Christian schools, and broke it, then got fired. And is now suing.

mo86, you are swallowing camels and straining at gnats. By tossing the child out of school for the behavior of her parents the child is being punished for the sins of her parents. My point and, whether they agree with me or not, I think everyone else here understands, is that I would not be so willing to destroy the only chance of learning about God’s love, forgiveness and salvation that this child may ever have, thereby “condemning” her to a life without faith. You can be a committed and conservative Christian and still have a heart for the lost. In fact, I don’t know how anyone can call themselves a Christian and not have that kind of heart.

So she will never on her own, when she becomes an adult, have a chance to learn of god?

Also as i keep mentioning, we Already punish kids for parents.. Whether its in taxes (inheritance), making kids take the debts of parents once they die, or if the parents do something criminal and the kid is the one who benefits, they lose it..