North Korea has threatened to launch an electromagnetic pulse attack that could shut down the United States’ power grid — causing months of blackouts that could bring society to a halt, with rampant crime and social chaos.
Experts say the threat posed by an EMP — the side effect of an atmospheric nuclear detonation — is significant, and New England is particularly vulnerable.
The rogue communist state announced yesterday it detonated what it described as a hydrogen bomb in an underground site, its sixth and by far most powerful nuclear test to date. It also released photos of dictator Kim Jong Un posing with the bomb, which could reach the U.S. when mounted on an intercontinental ballistic missile that North Korea also is developing.
North Korea released a statement saying the bomb “is a multi-functional thermonuclear nuke with great destructive power which can be detonated even at high altitudes for super-powerful EMP attack.”
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All of the past Presidents were idiots and past Congresses in dealing with North Korea. Number one they had no business giving North Korea money and aid. Secondly, they should have put the screws to China and Russia in the banking system and trade and I mean hitting them hard, not this piecemeal garbage. Trump, better hit China and Russia hard and that will destroy their economies. Then you will see action by the Chinese and Russians against North Korea.
Our economy has been so weak for the last ten years China and Russia have been trying to destroy our economy. President Trump is going to announce a bill that will start to bring our economy back in January. It’s being written right now. Next month the President’s tax plan is coming out and the elimination of the communistic death tax will be abolished for good. Hopefully we will finally turn things around after Bush’s mistakes and Obama’s neglect. By the way that fat little pimple will be taken care of permanently if he dares to launch a nuke against us. No more N. Korea if it happens.
And imo ANY AND ALL politicians who signed off those “Aid packages”, co-wrote them, or otherwise helped get them passed, should HANG for being a traitor to this nation, by giving AID to our enemy.
why is this fat little still breathing?
the wholesale panic this would create with no electricity for months or weeks to me
is unacceptable if they have a weapon like that and intend to use it we should strike first and blow them back to the stone age.
to the chicoms i will say this we both know how much business we do with each other and money in the trillons of dollars why jeopardize this with this little retard in n.korea?
North Korea Has a mystery satellite in orbit that passes over the US 3 times a day
How the hell did they get that up in space?
Time for a clandestine assassination………………A La Vietnam style
No more pleading, no more hush money payments and no more red lines. It’s time for a rocket up this fat inbred pyscho’s butt., like Reagan did to kadaffy. The rest of the world’s maniacs are watching.
And too all those libtards saying “we should stop being hawkish, and learn to deal with them”, i say “STOP BEING cowardly.. CAUSE when that ingrait Kim manages to land a nuke within distance of Frisco, or some other liberal hell hole, I for one, won’t shed a single bloody tear.. In fact i won’t even show one lick of remorse for all those whiny liberals dying or dead cause of it.. AND WHEN YOU THEN come to us screaming about “WHY DID YOU NOT do enough to stop this”, i will turn that back around on you liberals, and say “WE wanted to, YOU were the ones who bitched and moaned to not get us to take the needed military action. SO YOU only have yourself to blame”..
that was a warning in 20 11 after Muammar Gaddafi complied with our demands and dismantled his nuclear program the CIA set the rebels on him and we bombed his military out of existence and he was killed maybe Kim is afraid of the same treatment
WHO WAS IT that took Gadaffi out? OH YEA< SHILLARY and obozo…
His ability to do such an attack isn’t really in the NE part of the US. Even worse his ICBMs might be able to reach a detonation point over the northeast Pacific impacting the Pacific NW where so much of our and Canada’s IT infrastructure is located. Bringing down Bonneville Power’s grid would render the states of WA and OR non-functional for years until repairs were completed. It would also knock out power availability for the clean-up efforts at Hanford which could result in a contamination worse than already there.
The Vancouver high-tech area of Canada would also be rendered useless.
Pacific Northwest- nesting place for the liberal loons???????????
We’re not all loony in the Northwest. There’s 3 or 4 sane people left up here.
Then get out while you can!
I may be a loon, but I sure as hell am not a liberal. If the fat kid manages to get a working nuclear device into the air, I think it would make him far more happy to see a big assed mushroom cloud in this area. Within a 50 mile radius: Joint Base Lewis/ McChord, Microsoft, multiple server farms and a nice base at Bangor. Home to 2 SSGNs, Converted Trident boats that carry a SEAL platoon and about 186 conventional cruise missiles if I remember right. Also home to 6 or 7 Trident subs with their 24 MIRV capable packages of joy. And there are a couple other boats up there (SSN 21 USS Jimmy Carter is one) that do work that you will never read or hear about. There is a big hole in the ground known as Dry Dock 6, at what used to be Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. It’s now Naval Base Kitsap. DD 6 is the only dry dock on the West coast that is big enough to dock a Nimitz or Ford class carrier. This area is far more vulnerable to an air burst nuke, if you going for flashy. And that little weasel with the ridiculous haircut does like his drama.
So I don’t think EMP would be his first choice. But WTH, we were pretty high on the Soviet targeting list and probably still in the Chicoms sights. If it happens I won’t even see the flash. No reason to loose any sleep.
Maybe WE should EMP that fat pigs country FIRST!
Doing so with nuclear devices would also cripple Seoul. Not a real good policy.
Not if we plant it right. Plus how much of NK is actually ran with electronics? MOST of the citizenry imo wouldn’t even NOTICE the loss of power..
Are you kidding? ever see a picture of the DPRK at night from space?
IIRC most of the pics i have seen, show LITTLE areas of light. JUST His mil bases and the capital..
Have you seen nightime images of rnk? Looks like a emp already happened.
The happy, but mad, mushroom!
What’s the most disturbing and distressing aspect of this ominous threat, is neither the threat, nor even what probability there is it could be carried out, but that we are not prepared for it. Our power grid is unprotected, frighteningly vulnerable, even though we’ve known about the calamitous consequences of an EMP attack FOR DECADES! As has become more and more predictable and thoroughly exasperating, is the inaction by government, at all levels, the utility companies themselves, and even the military. Folks, this is NOT a condition that is irreparable. We KNOW what to do to harden our vital infrastructure against attack, (and not only the electric grid), and we KNOW that infrastructure, particularly the power grid, is a primary target for any attacker, N. Korea, China, Russia, ISIS, or whomever, yet there is no serious effort by anyone, to undertake and implement defenses. Politicians talk, but do nothing substantive. Generally, America is complacent, preoccupied with clearly unimportant stuff, and has been blithely ignoring the massively destructive consequences of attacks WE CAN DEFEND AGAINST! As is all too common with the way America has behaved for 100 years, we first suffer a calamity, THEN we react, but after the damages have been done. That pre-emptive action is absolutely crucial now, seems to escape altogether the attention and interest of the powers-that-be. It’s utterly mad!
We do have anti-ICBM defensive weaponry and some of the best of it is on Navy ships. They have several of those missile frigates between N. Korea and Alaska. A month ago we fired a test missile in the Pacific and our anti-missile missile took out our best ICBM rocket. Do not worry about Kim or his extortionist threats. China has abandoned him and their economy is on the verge of a horrendous collapse. We then need to take out his strategic missiles and bomb his nuclear storage buildings. We can do that with relative ease with conventional forces. How long do you think he will last after all that happens?
[As is all too common with the way America has behaved for 100 years, we first suffer a calamity, THEN we react, but after the damages have been done. That pre-emptive action is absolutely crucial now, seems to escape altogether the attention and interest of the powers-that-be. It’s utterly mad!]
And that’s what never makes sense to me.. Take Katrina 15 years ago.. MANY of those levve’s that broke were KNOWN to be deficient, and it would have taken what, 40 million to repair them all/increase the # of pumps to prevent the heavy flooding we saw.. YET how much did it cost us AFTERWARDS to make things repaired? 50 BILLION??
Well, all you say is true, doced. However, did you see the shoes Melania wore to the helicopter on her way to Texas with the president? Now, that’s important.
An EMP strike anywhere will cripple our society as we know it. Read “One Second After” by William Forstchen, it’ll put you on a chill beyond belief. This is something not to take lightly, be prepared for the worst and pray for the best.
I read it, but that fictional nuke was fired thirty miles off the coast from New Orleans and detonated 200 miles over central Kansas the geographic center of America. Kim’s rockets can only hit as far as Anchorage Alaska and they aren’t powerful enough to reach more than 100 miles high. As someone else wrote in here, it will zap Alaska, British Columbia, Washington State, and probably Oregon as well.
Read “One Second After” by William Forstchen, this will enlighten you about the EMP….
Many politicians HAVE supposedly read it. BUT THEY still do nothing, cause it would require them to actually USE FORE THOUGHT to correct deficiencies BEFORE we get to having a problem, rather than do like they always do.. AND WAIT for a problem to occur before leaping into action..
If He did be assured we would come for fat boy with a vengeance! Heck-we might get him to work in the coal mines . For the rest of his life.
An EMP attack on the USA against an unshielded electrical grid cold destroy 10s of thousands of miles of wire, melt power transformers and generators. It would take years to replace these systems. More than 100 million people would die of starvation and lack of medical care and supplies.
Without electricity most of the wealth in banks and on paper will be lost, perhaps forever. Food in the fields can’t be harvested and transported without electricity, it can’t be processed or refrigerated.
There is no time to waste. The “grid” can be protected if Congress and the states and the power companies begin to do it NOW. In a few months the lunatic in North Korea or a religious fanatic elsewhere can decided to murder the world.
The roads and airports and the bridges must wait until the power grid is safe from EMP or solar mass ejection such as happened back in the 1859 when the Carrington effect http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/03/110302-solar-flares-sun-storms-earth-danger-carrington-event-science/ melted telegrapgh wires and destroyed railroad rails and ignited railroad wooden ties.
[ Food in the fields can’t be harvested and transported without electricity, it can’t be processed or refrigerated.!]
How so?? Food can be hand picked, if you have enough people willing to DO the job, and if they are already THERE working, they don’t need to get it transported that far to feed them.. BUT i will give you the refrigeration issue is a problem..
Exactly! The impact from EMP would destroy transformers and wire. There aren’t enough spares to replace them all and machinery used to build them would be toasted at the same time. In 1859 the “Carrington Flare,” (a solar flare which is about the same thing) “… the solar storm battered the world’s infant communication network. Telegraph wires burst into flames, touching off fires (while in other cases fire crews were called to fires that did not exist, due to the fiery lights in the sky). Telegraph machines scorched paper printouts, stunned operators with electric shocks, transmitted gibberish, and continued working for hours even after being unplugged from the batteries that powered them. The Earth itself was no longer “grounded”!” The telegraph system was super rugged compared to the electronics we have today. You can kiss all the computers that run your cars, your cell phones, TVs, refrigerators, etc. Good bye. Also patients in hospitals would die when all the machines got toasted. The diagnostic tools used to treat patients would be toasted. The mercury blood pressure machines have all been removed because they had mercury in them. Nope EMP is not a fixed within a year issue.
ltuser:you wrote transformers wouldn’t be damaged. Take a look at the type of equipment that was toasted in the 1859 the “Carrington Flare,” A google search should find plenty to read.. It was all transformers, motors, wiring in those days those were the only electrical components that existed. The power from a solar flare or EMP is hard to imaging.
I would rather believe the training on EMPS i had as an electronic technician than google.. thanks.
Miles of wire? maybe a pretty impressive light show at disconnect devices and some interesting things might happen to devices that are connected, but I really don’t think that a very high voltage impressed on a conductor for a very short duration is gonna melt ’em. Laser rays from space aliens, maybe, but not the dreaded electro magnetic pulse. Electricity (and magnetism) scares the living bejesus out of a lot of people. I twisted wires together for a living for thirty years. And I have a healthy respect for it, and at least a passing knowledge of how we use it.
However I do keep an eye out for those aliens….
Xray.. During my 20 years in, i worked WITH a lot of electronics gear.. AN EMP won’t “Fry wires and transformers”. YEs transformers will get overloaded and blow, BUT THE msot damage will be to IC chips, Transistors, Diodes, and the like. Things that are “ESD” sensitive…
For years after our military aircraft were using semiconductors while the Russians used vacuum tubes. Why because hardened semiconductors circuits weren’t really certain not to be cooked by EMP. Those pesky tubes probably would have survived.
For years after our military aircraft were using semiconductors while the Russians used vacuum tubes. Why because hardened semiconductors circuits weren’t really certain not to be cooked by EMP. Those pesky tubes probably would have survived.
Several small, low level, simultaneous attacks from international waters off their coast will do the job without harming their neighbors. They would not have any working electronics to be able to retaliate. No people or land would be bombed.
If chubby Kim launches an attack at us or any of our territories, he will be nowhere near Pyonyang or any other target in North Korea.
North Korea can launch a nuclear attack any time they are in the mood. What a lot of people do not seem to think about is that North Korea does not need ICBMs to launch nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons could be planted on Merchant Ships that could carry them and take out any of our major sea ports to include harbors in the Great Lakes. They could also be delivered in cargo containers and then shipped to any major city in the country. For all we know, there could be some already in place with agents just waiting for the “GO” signal to activate them. Commercial and private aircraft could get pretty far inland so a suicide pilot could do quite a lot of damage.
And since we wont know what ships have those containers till its too late, its a MAJORILY more scary thought to see that done than launching a missile.. AS WE WILL have to shut down all imports till we can get on every ship out there to inspect EVERY container..
We know what damage Kim can do to the United and the horrors keep us from doing something about it. Yet we all fail to see the longer we wait, the more damage he can do. I say bomb him back to he stone age NOW, before his capabilities increase.
Mr. Brigadeer.
We are doomed. There is no one on the horizon who will strike Kim. If we learn from history, millions of us will have to die in this country before our gutless leaders will even think of a return strike. There is no such thing as a pre=emptive strike in this country. We need the approval of Zambia in order to even think of a strike. G-d help us…….
This article seemed relevant to the discussion. I submit if for your information.
Abstract:
North Korea: EMP threat
North Korea threatens EMP attack on U.S.
Published 6 September 2017Share|
North Korea’s relentless march toward acquiring the capability to place a hydrogen bomb on top of an ICBM will soon pose a threat to all major U.S. cities. There is another threat that marrying of a hydrogen bomb to a powerful rocket poses: An EMP threat. The North Koreans could launch a missile into the upper atmosphere, then detonate a high-yield hydrogen bomb in space in order to generate an electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, which would shut down the U.S. power grid and damage electrical devices. Experts testifying before the Congressional EMP Commission said that in the event of a massive EMP attack on the United States using multiple high-yield warheads, around 90 percent of the American population would be dead after eighteen months due to famine, disease, and societal breakdown.
Operator failure. I entered the link to the article incorrectly and it didn’t appear in the post above.
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20170906-north-korea-threatens-emp-attack-on-u-s?page=0,0
Read up on the theory of inductance. And read up on Operation Starfish Prime, the test that revealed the pulse sent out by a nukear explosion in high atmosphere. I would be far more concerned that the Republicans are screwing the pooch in regard to holding onto the majorities in the House and Senate. Far more likely to happen and with greater consequences.