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Democrats to Women: You are too stupid to protect yourselves

By Bobby Eberle

The comments made by some Democrats in Colorado have drawn national attention and created an uproar. Apparently, some legislators believe that when faced with an attacker who's hellbent on raping a woman, the woman should NOT be allowed to have a gun. Instead, these Democrats said if armed, the woman might actually shoot someone. Isn't that the idea?

Although this issue should be addressed head-on and these legislators taken to task, the incident is actually part of a much larger problem: a generational problem organized and implemented by those on the left. More on that in a few minutes, but first here's the Colorado controversy.

As reported at Townhall.com, the Colorado State House recently passed a series of new gun laws. Part of the debate dealt was on legislation which would eliminate concealed carry rights on college campuses. Here's what Democrat Joe Salazar had to say:

If a man is coming at you and trying to tackle you to the ground, I think that pretty much eliminates any guesswork on his intent, don't you think? The comments by Salazar go beyond offensive, and they show that protection of innocent people is NOT the aim of liberal policies. It never has been.

Meanwhile on the Colorado State Senate side, Democrat Jesse Ulibarri said this:

Can you believe this stuff?! According to him, it's better to just let the guy do his shooting and killing, and then when he's out of bullets, attack him with ball point pens. This is insane. How many of these shootings would have taken place if the shooter had thought for one minute that someone standing near him might also have a gun? How many shootings would have taken place if the shooter had actually seen a person or two with a gun and holster?

This lead to the testimony of Amanda Collins, as reported by Townhall.com. While in college at the University of Nevada-Reno in 2007, she was brutally attacked and raped. Collins had a concealed weapons permit but was NOT carrying her gun, because it was against university policy. She became a tragic victim, and as she points out, NOTHING that Rep. Salazar said would have helped her.

I can tell you that a call box above my head while I was straddled on the parking garage floor being brutally raped wouldn't have helped me one bit. The safe zone? I was in a safe zone and my attacker didn't care.

A whistle wouldn't have gotten anybody's attention. It was isolated, it was late at night. It's really frustrating that I'm supposed to hand over my own protection to a man but they're not able to guarantee our protection and the comments that this representative made about women not knowing if they're going to be raped or accidentally shooting the wrong person was extremely offensive because he specifically targeted female students. So, is he saying that all women are unable to make sound decisions in the midst of that, that we should go against our God given gut instinct that something was wrong? I knew something was wrong the moment I was grabbed from behind."

Here's the full interview:

Collins, in one sentence, cuts to the heart of the matter when she said, "I was legislated into being a victim."

This is the plan of the left, and it is tragic what is happening. The Democrats win and hold power by appealing to interest groups (not the nation as a whole) and promise to give them something. Women are simply an interest group to Democrats and thus there has been a concerted effort over decades to play off the inherent need for security by replacing the husband with government.

Why have a man or a gun? You don't need either. That's the message. Government will protect you. Of course, along the way, we are all subjected to thoughtless comments like those of Salazar. He basically is saying that women are too stupid to think for themselves in times of crisis. It's insulting and pathetic.

Gun free zones are only safe for the criminal. The rest of the people in these zones are simply sitting ducks, and that's exactly how the Democrats want it.

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  1. Tonto (USA)Comment by Tonto (USA)
    February 21, 2013 @ 8:39 am

    Time after time I’ve noted how the democrats are actually against the very things they claim to be for. Dems are the most racist, sexist, devisive party in the country. While claiming to be supportive, they do many things to undermine. Odd that nobody seems to notice….so maybe the point is, democrat followers really are that stupid.

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    • susieqComment by susieq
      February 21, 2013 @ 9:32 am

      I can’t believe these idiot women who voted to have these thugs in office to begin with.

      What a double-standard! Men can protect themselves and women can’t!

      I say Annie – Get Your Gun!

      Impeach these idiots who think they know what is best. What a bunch of lunatics.

      When did God die and put the Democrats in charge?

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    • Dingbat36Comment by Dingbat36
      February 21, 2013 @ 9:57 am

      It appears that it is DemoNrat politicians who are the stupid ones Someone should superglue this idiots mouth closed!

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    • arclightComment by arclight
      February 21, 2013 @ 10:01 am

      I don’t want to get too carried away, but I actually believe this: the present pack of Dems who have this great country jumping from one idiotic special interest scam to the next idiotic special interest scam on an endless basis are possibly not only “…the most racist, sexist, devisive party in the country” but possibly in/from any otherwise civilized country in the history of the world. Today’s Dems are knuckle-dragging cretins. They ARE the problem. This does not absolve idiots like Bush II, but he was then and Obama is now. The head problem, the guy in the White House, is the worst of them all. Total ideologue loser.

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    • dallasorfComment by dallasorf
      February 21, 2013 @ 10:05 am

      These dudes just give us the ammunition to convince that it is the far left that has a war on women! NOT the right! I say take it and run! Each of us need to take at least 1 female democrat under our wings and tell them they DO have the right to defend themselves and they are NOT too stupid to own and responsibly use a gun if that is the choice of defense they choose.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      February 21, 2013 @ 10:46 am

      Strong, independent women able to protect and defend themselves are the last thing that Liberal Democrat men want to happen, let alone create in society. Dependency works for them and they and their party would crumble at the polls sans fear and dependency which is what they breed in society and all they have to offer. Fully armed women with both guns and truth are what liberal liars fear most. It would put liberals out of business. Once empowered with guns and truth, women might actually realize that the trusting the security of your own person to a politically correct government who puts political correctness over and above your own safety, is as bad an idea as trusting them with your healthcare and retirement accounts. Sooner or later you and your person will be raped and killed, just as assuredly as your government controlled and protected healthcare and retirement accounts have been raped and killed. Women can suvive the liberal financial banruptcy that kills their finances and even moral integrity. Nobody suvives the personal bankruptcy of safety that kills your life and body.

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    • mbmbcsComment by mbmbcs
      February 21, 2013 @ 12:00 pm

      You would think this time the Dem would have crossed the line, but I don’t think so. Dem would even play it down had it only been directed to “Blonds”

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    • thedoveComment by thedove
      February 21, 2013 @ 1:24 pm

      >> When did God die and put the Democrats in charge? <<

      Susieq, I believe it was some time in the mid-60s.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 21, 2013 @ 1:48 pm

      And where is what’s her name – Gloria Albright (sp?) ?? Why is she not all over this??? Hmmm …..

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    • puckComment by puck
      February 22, 2013 @ 8:31 am

      tonto has i see it the only people you have to fear are the (R) because the (D) do not carry guns, to lump everyone together is just dumb you don”t think that the (D) love there kids and the right to protect them fyi we do carry and do believe in the 2nd amendment you are just stupid

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  2. PATRIOTComment by PATRIOT
    February 21, 2013 @ 8:42 am

    Protection of innocent people has never been the intent of Democrat gun control policies. I believe the Democrats are willing to deal with some level of gun crime to enhance their ability to get the public to accept draconian gun control legislation.

    Democrats hate the concept of private firearms ownership because it represents a threat to their final solution. The progressive left intends to eventually legislate private firearms ownership and the 2nd amendment out of existence. The present push toward so called universal background checks will set into place the framework for registration and confiscation when the time is right.

    Do not beleieve Democrat propoganda that they are concerned about public safety, as this is only to convince you to support their unconstitutional and evil policies.

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    • jmikes1951Comment by jmikes1951
      February 21, 2013 @ 9:25 am

      What would Salazar do if He was being raped? If I pissed on a rapist he would probably try to kill me. As a resident of Colorado I am ashamed of the stupidity of the Hippies that voted in a state and federal government that either has no common sense or is so selfish that it doesn”t care one iota about “We the People”.

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    • jmikes1951Comment by jmikes1951
      February 21, 2013 @ 9:26 am

      Oh yes Salazar is being protected by men with firearms

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    • nhpollackComment by nhpollack
      February 21, 2013 @ 10:30 am

      jmikes1951,
      I too am a Colorado resident. I escaped from Chicago 25 years ago and one of the reasons was the difference in interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. I’m in a conservative county between a small blue town and a larger reddish town and it’s pretty obvious what the difference in priorities is between the two; the blue town has about fifteen “medical” marijuana shops and the reddish town only a few. The state is pretty evenly divided between citizens who value and defend their rights under the Constitution and those who just want to get high. I constantly communicate with my elected officials and it’s generally an exercise in self abuse. At this point, Texas is starting to look pretty good.

      People commonly reference Orwell’s “1984″ and Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged”, but an equally prescient book which is never referenced is Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”, written in 1931 and set in 2540. This is a brief synopsis:
      “Community, Identity, Stability” is the motto of Aldous Huxley’s utopian World State. Here everyone consumes daily grams of soma, to fight depression, babies are born in laboratories, and the most popular form of entertainment is a “Feelie,” a movie that stimulates the senses of sight, hearing, and touch. Though there is no violence and everyone is provided for, Bernard Marx feels something is missing and senses his relationship with a young women has the potential to be much more than the confines of their existence allow. Huxley foreshadowed many of the practices and gadgets we take for granted today–let’s hope the sterility and absence of individuality he predicted aren’t yet to come.”

      Seem a little familiar?

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      February 21, 2013 @ 10:53 am

      I also left Chicago 25 years ago when my best friend who survived 3 years in Vietman as a soldier did not last three weeks as a Chicago cop who got killed by a 16 year old piece of human trash in front of Cabrini Greens with a saturday night special. Even the fully armed stand little chance in a Sanctuary City that gives sanctuary to illegal criminals and sanctions liberal entitlement to other people’s money, other people’s personal property and even other people’s lives. In Chicago you can’t tell the criminals from the politicians,,,,,enter Jesse Jackson Jr,,,another Judas Goat Canary in the Chicago coal mine of illegality where the Secular wolves in Christain sheeps clothing feed at will off trusting sheep like the liberal mutton heads that they are. First they cram them into schools for liberal entitlement indoctrination, then issue them sheepskins upon graduation to cover their intellectual nakeness and signify they have all had the wool pulled over their eyes.

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    • nhpollackComment by nhpollack
      February 21, 2013 @ 3:17 pm

      inluminatuo,

      I saw you mention in a post some while ago that you and I ceased being homies about the same time. I’m also a VN vet and had friends “on the job” so I extend my condolences on the loss of your friend and my late brother in arms.

      I was the object of the exercise of an armed robbery at my place of business in the suburbs in ’81. I like to say it was my Christmas contribution to the United Negro College Fund–I gave the office. It’s a long, ugly story that turned out better than it could have through what I can only ascribe to divine intervention. I was 12′ away from my pistol at the time. I am never 12′ feet away from a pistol anymore. To add insult to injury, I spent 6 years in court suing my insurance company and a “jury of my peers” awarded me half my loss.

      If you ever get out to Colorado, and if we can find a way to discretely exchange contact information, I’m sure we could have several long and mutually interesting, in person, conversations.

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    • nhpollackComment by nhpollack
      February 21, 2013 @ 3:28 pm

      inluminatuo,
      As bright, well read and articulate as you are, are you a product of an elementary education in Chicago in the ’50s? Comparing and contrasting what I got back then with what a current college grad with an LAS degree has now, I’m sure I got a better deal.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      February 21, 2013 @ 3:50 pm

      My education was in Dupage county then the most Republican Conservative and prosperous Counties in the nation, accross the line from the Liberal hell hole of Cook COuntry Democrats,,,,before forced school busing that is. Liberal social experimenters thought that busing so-called disadvantaged foul mouthed abandoned kids from broken homes to the suburbs to associate with successful kids would civilize them. The reverse is all that occurred as the successful kids just got contaminated with the foul mouths, drugs, illegitimate sex, broken families, criminal entitlement mentality that the low end of the human gene pool of faux humans brought out to the burbs. This is the gift the liberal social experimentors brought to America, bought and paid for with your, not their money,,,which brought about the slide of American society to the lowest common denominator of human equality. Too high a price to pay for equality, when we are all lowered to equal animal experiences, driven by passion and emotion with no reason or logic to lead us.

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    • nhpollackComment by nhpollack
      February 22, 2013 @ 7:37 pm

      inluminatuo,

      If you’re talking about bussing, you’re probably a little younger than I am, but apparently the schools weren’t completely turned at that time. I was a Cook County boy myself and know ALL about the Cook County Democratic Machine and Hizzonor’s part in getting JFK elected. Safe to assume you ended up in a rural part of a red state after leaving Chicago?

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  3. spyderdaltonComment by spyderdalton
    February 21, 2013 @ 9:47 am

    The “sociopathic ” party is the party that has a war on blacks, women, christians, children, jobs, and every other subject you could mention. It’s time to get the mentally ill out of office and back in the institutions that can control their damage to the country!

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    • CharlieComment by vietnamvet
      February 21, 2013 @ 4:43 pm

      Salazar says women may shoot the wrong person.
      I guess he’s worried that she might shoot a criminal … or, she might shoot a Democrat.

      The trouble with that is … nobody can tell which is which.

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  4. mrpilkingtonComment by mrpilkington
    February 21, 2013 @ 10:09 am

    Democrat women are that stupid. Look who they put in the White House.

    Liberals think because of their “superiority” it is their job to tell us what we don’t need. The one thing we don’t need is them telling us what we don’t need.

    I believe most liberals sincerely believe that the ideology they advocate and support is right and good but unfortunately liberal ideology is usually based in emotion rather than logic. When a mentally deranged person walks into a school and kills children, the emotional response is to get rid of all guns, the logical response is more people need guns.

    I also believe that there is a group of individuals who have insidiously gained power in this country and have duped the liberal mindset into supporting and helping them achieve their ulterior motives.
    the playbook on how to do this is called “Rules for Radicals” written by the communist Saul Alinsky. One of the most accomplished students of Alinsky’s teachings is currently living in the White House. The second most accomplished student has her sights set on being the next occupant of the White House. Read this book. You’ll be stunned at the parallels between the things currently being proposed and done by Obama and the directives proposed by Alinsky with the ultimate goal of a socialist America.

    WAKE UP AMERICA!

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  5. JDZComment by JDZ
    February 21, 2013 @ 10:13 am

    I hope that women and others that continue to vote for liberal politicians finally wake up to how they are being used by the Democrat political party. The Dems have become master manipulators of the minority communities, the women rights advocates, seniors and others, and particularly those receiving some form of government subsidy, etc. The conservatives in our country are constrained from playing this game as well as the liberal/progressive advocates because their value system gets in the way. Liberals are really good at lying and misleading the public into voting for them as they use children, those living in poverty, public safety, our schools, etc, as leverage in their arguments to depict conservatives as radicals and uncaring people. Republicans are having trouble using lies and distortions in their talking points and still believe that if they are honest and open that most Americans will get it and support them.

    Mitt Romney is the latest high profile politician victim of the liberal strategy who lost his run for President as the Obama campaign spent hundreds of millions of dollars creating an image of him built around lies and distortions that created a public image of him that frightened enough low informed voters from voting for him and tilted the election just enough to allow the most radical and incompetent President in our history to be re-elected to a second term.

    The liberal media is complicent in perpetuating these distortions and helping to manipulate the voting public. The liberal mindset has become even more empowered due to their recent political successes to continue to assume they can just force their ideology and agenda on all of us and get away with it as they continue to introduce all kinds of new legislation. This unbridled liberal agenda is the root cause of the slide our country is experiencing as the nanny state government is growing and our individual freedoms are diminishing.

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  6. whitComment by whit
    February 21, 2013 @ 10:13 am

    Sorry ladies,
    You vote for hypocrite liberals like Obama who decry the GOP “war on women” when in fact they are the ones who think you don’t have enough intelligence to defend yourself with a gun. Leave it up to the liberals. They will protect you (LOL)

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    • whodunitComment by whodunit
      February 21, 2013 @ 10:30 am

      Please don’t speak for all us of “ladies” with this comment. No one ever talks about the women who saw the writing on the wall and voted against Obama. I had a pretty good idea what this guy was all about the first time. He’s an actor who knows how to appeal to the masses. He says one thing and does another.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      February 21, 2013 @ 11:40 am

      To whodunit: I agree. It took about five minutes of listening to him to conclude he was king of the “professional victim” crowd, and that he hated this country and its principles. He lies, yes–continually. But his lies are pretty transparent. He also inadvertently speaks the truth about who and what he is, if you listen and logically evaluate what he is saying, instead of getting all warm and fuzzy and responding emotionally to what he says.

      Unfortunately, liberals are all about emotion and logic is not in them. As I’ve mentioned before liberals are INSANE and should not be trusted with running a child’s lemonade stand, much less the whole freaking country! It is little wonder the country is going down the tubes with these idiots “in charge”.

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    • amlcoComment by amlco
      February 21, 2013 @ 3:21 pm

      Democrats and liberals and other are not lying. They always manifesting their best goals first. And when their desire is rejected first as lunacy, they push it through as a bulldozer.
      Who care if they forget to teach there croud of historical experience of others? People think that history is a something exotic and far pass, like weather, events. I am replant from USSR. History knowledge is my life compass. We should trust Democrats. I will let us see what when an how we should protect from them and what kind of resources we should deploy for it

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  7. lynninvaComment by lynninva
    February 21, 2013 @ 10:21 am

    I am still in awe of the stupidity of these Colorado Dems and others of their ilk when they claim I am not smart enough to use a gun to defend myself. What right do they have to tell me what I can or can’t do? And why this continued insistence that college campuses should be gun free zones? Have they forgotten what Cho did at VA Tech? Why can’t these idiots focus on important issues such as economy, debt, jobs, etc. and leave the 2nd Amendment alone?

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      February 21, 2013 @ 11:43 am

      lynninva, they can’t focus on those issues because they are INCOMPETENT and cannot deal with them, hence they resort to all sorts of distractions and emotional “drama” to sell their point of view, while everything goes to hell in a handbasket. This happens because (a) they are idiots and (b) they have ZERO work ethic, so wading in and actually WORKING on some of the REAL problems (instead of the ones they dream up to advance their agenda) is not an option.

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    • thedoveComment by thedove
      February 21, 2013 @ 1:37 pm

      >> Why can’t these idiots focus on important issues such as economy, debt, jobs, etc. and leave the 2nd Amendment alone? <<

      Lynninva, I hope your question wasn't rhetorical, but I suspect it was, and you already knew the answer before the oleteabag responded. Pretty much on target, but I would add that problems such as the "economy, debt, jobs, etc." cannot be solved by using emotion, but issues that can be made emotional ones, such as gun control vs "protecting" citizens serve to distract the nonthinkers in this country from the real, and serious, issues. Those who are in fear for their lives or safety from the demon gun nuts (every gun owner, according to the Democrats) aren't going to waste much time researching the cause of our debt, the impossibility of continuing on our current path, etc. An unofficial motto of the Democrat party is, "Don't give 'em time to think," or, as Good Ol' Rahm put it, "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

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    • bentleyComment by bentley
      February 22, 2013 @ 7:29 pm

      Don’t forget abouy Ted Bundy.How many unarmed women did he kill?

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  8. amlcoComment by amlco
    February 21, 2013 @ 10:24 am

    So much insite for women in combat.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      February 21, 2013 @ 11:44 am

      Interesting point. Why are women in combat a good idea, if we are too STUPID to be trusted with a gun?

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  9. begneli2011Comment by begneli2011
    February 21, 2013 @ 10:45 am

    According to Democrats, women are not smart enough to be armed but should be on the front lines in combat. I am 73 and in the old days that would be stupid, but liberals nowdays have attained intelligence we never knew before.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      February 21, 2013 @ 11:53 am

      to begneii2011: I keep saying liberals are INSANE. It is apparent they are not only crazy, but STUPID, as well. You have to ask yourself, what kind of IDIOT would vote for this pack of fools? I’m afraid “Idiocracy” is a reality and we are living it.

      The products of our Communist re-education camps (referred to as “schools and colleges”) have been dumbed down and brainwashed to the max to accept this BS as truth.

      You should read a short story called “Marching Morons” by C.M. Kornbluth. It’s an oldie but goodie, published in 1973, but you can still get the “Best of Science Fiction” anthology where it was published on Amazon. Remember the thing about if you had a column of Chinese marching in front of you, it would never end, because of the ones being born as they marched? Well that’s kind of the premise of the story. “Intelligent” people were being urged to limit the size of their families to control the burgeoning population (sound familiar?), but the “low information voters” were breeding like rabbits, and a century down the road, there were HORDES of them, and only a FEW competent/intelligent people holding things together, and they were not only virtual SLAVES to the masses, but DESPISED by them, as well. I read that story when I was a teenager, and NEVER forgot it, and lo, it is coming true in my lifetime!

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    • nhpollackComment by nhpollack
      February 21, 2013 @ 11:34 pm

      oleteabag,

      Did you ever read “To Serve Man” by Damon Knight or see on The Twilight Zone? It’s about an alien race that visits Earth and assures the people that they’re here to serve man. They take care of everything, coddle the people and periodically take a group of them to the mothership. One inquiring person finds their handbook, manages to translate it and discovers it’s a cookbook. That’s pretty much how I view our public “servants”.

      Calling Leftists Liberals gives them a veneer of legitimacy which they don’t deserve.

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  10. angryamerican57Comment by angryamerican57
    February 21, 2013 @ 10:54 am

    Here’s a great idea. A new law should be passed that DUMBOcrats cannot own a gun because they are mentally nuts. They must also live, work and play in a NO GUNS ZONE or a GUN FREE ZONE.

    That ought to wake them up.

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  11. nhpollackComment by nhpollack
    February 21, 2013 @ 11:06 am

    This is old news, but Suzanna Gratia Hupp put it to Congress years ago and it didn’t do any good. Made the clowns squirm a little, but they got over it and went on to bigger and better things.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis&feature=related

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    • myronjpoltroonianComment by myronjpoltroonian
      February 21, 2013 @ 4:22 pm

      Yes, the incident at Lubby’s should never be forgotten.

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  12. gentlemanjimComment by gentlemanjim
    February 21, 2013 @ 11:13 am

    Typical Demoncrat thought process. Only the gubment knows what’s best for the individual. Just ask them, they’ll tell you.

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    • myronjpoltroonianComment by myronjpoltroonian
      February 21, 2013 @ 4:27 pm

      “For the purposes of this Legislation/Directive/Policy, you are presumed to have asked, ‘What Is Better For You’, when we tell you.”

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  13. mysticComment by mystic
    February 21, 2013 @ 11:15 am

    Just like a ‘bad guy’ with a gun won’t stop shooting in a ‘gun free zone’, posted or not; neither will a rapist stop his actions due to a whistle being blown, or a call box being available, or a sign with ‘rape free’/secure area being posted is gonna stop him from the opportunity of raping said victim.

    Stun gun, tasers, pepper spray….usually all in your purse. Whatever you can easily grab and have available to use in your own personal protection, should not be legislated with a million ‘what if’ scenario’s. The availability of guns is open…how many stories do we hear of young college women or men, shooting innocent men who they ‘thought might be a rapist’? None that I can recall.

    It is just like a progressive to stand on the great ‘what if’, instead of the facts. The women in this country had better wise up and choose if they wish to be coddled by their government, controlled by their government, or served by their government.

    Me personally, I’m gonna use whatever my hands can lay on to defend my life and my person. Either a gun, a lead pipe, baseball bat…what have you. Whatever it takes to keep my person safe and alive is gonna be what I use. Shooting someone does change you…no doubt. However in a high stress fight or flight scenario, one feels justified and rarely dismisses or is remiss about using said gun in said scenario.

    ~M

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    • birda40Comment by birda40
      February 21, 2013 @ 11:27 am

      This gentelman is way off, my wife, girls and son know how to use a firearm for fun and hopefully never to defend them selves. Maybe he should be thrown in a lockup with rapists with out any protection. Maybe some condoms?

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      February 21, 2013 @ 11:59 am

      To mystic: Here is how liberal Democrats operate now, and always have: they make up their minds how the world “ought” to be (utopian pipe dream) then behave as though that were reality. This is the heart of their belief system–apply that standard to everything they do, and see if I’m not right.

      Robert Kennedy spoke WAY more truth than he intended when he said, “Some people see things as they are and ask ‘why?’ I see things as they never were, and ask ‘why not?’”

      The good liberal sees things as they never were and says “I like that, so I’m going to pretend that is reality”. And if you try to jar them out of their delusions with “truth”, then they will VICIOUSLY attack you, in defense of their delusions. They are INSANE and you cannot deal with them as though you were dealing with a rational individual. Unfortunately, there is also an abundance of power-mad, sociopathic opportunists who will USE their insanity to get power over everybody–the ones like Obama, for instance.

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  14. oleteabagComment by oleteabag
    February 21, 2013 @ 11:22 am

    The idiot liberal Democrats are as condescending to women as they are to minorities. But Republicans are the ones who make “war on women”. Isn’t that amazing? Why do people fall for this BS? It just blows my mind. Of course the mainstream media does not endlessly repeat their stupid statements all over the airwaves, the way they would if a Republican said something stupid, or even something they could make to “sound” stupid by creative editing.

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  15. nhpollackComment by nhpollack
    February 21, 2013 @ 11:40 am

    Glad to see that her narrative exposed the myth of a small woman with a 2nd degree black belt having any chance whatsoever when attacked by a big, mean guy from behind. It was heartening to hear her refer to herself as a survivor rather than a victim though.

    If enough women hear her interview, maybe those who were either anti-gun or undecided will put their condescending public “servants” up against the wall about who is really waging a war against women, get some training, carry permits and the largest caliber concealable handguns they can manage comfortably.

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    • thedoveComment by thedove
      February 21, 2013 @ 1:44 pm

      As the adage has it, “In unarmed combat, the good big guy will beat the good little guy … every time.”

      P.S. Enter Sam Colt.

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    • nhpollackComment by nhpollack
      February 21, 2013 @ 6:33 pm

      thedove,

      To fill in some of the blanks, this was a comment I made on an article about Emeryville, California (natch) police chief, Ken James stating that a gun is an offensive weapon:

      “God made man and Sam Colt made all men equal (obviously women too). It’s the only thing that gives a 115lb. woman a chance against a pumped up, juiced up 200lb. predator who want’s to rape, rob and murder her. I’d say that’s defensive. On the other hand, maybe that same 115lb. soccer mom wants to reverse roles, be the predator, go down to the ghetto and rape, rob and murder that same 200lb. predator and some of his homies which would make the gun an offensive weapon. Nah, that wouldn’t happen or we’d be seeing it all over the mainstream media along with a picture of that predator from his 8th grade graduation in his cap and gown as valedictorian and the gal would be accused of committing a racism based hate crime. I vote for defensive in the hands of law abiding citizens and offensive in the hands of criminals.”

      http://lastresistance.com/1332/chief-of-police-says-guns-are-not-a-defensive-weapon/

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  16. jenerseaComment by jenersea
    February 21, 2013 @ 11:54 am

    The powers to be continually start one little fire here and then over here and then over there. All too many to put out and in the mean time you are not focused on what the real agenda is. Once you try to concentrate on the present, then its the past. You know like fast and furious and Benghazi.

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  17. thomasjeffersonComment by thomasjefferson
    February 21, 2013 @ 1:01 pm

    I’m beginning to think that if you wear a bowtie your probably a racist, sexist, moronic, imbecile from a blue state.

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  18. usa101Comment by usa101
    February 21, 2013 @ 1:40 pm

    Idiotic comments like Salazar’s and countless other Democrat politicians are clear insults to all correct-minded conservative men and women who have a vested interest in making our country great once again. We all know the problem, because all of you have stated it well in your comments here. The answer is to run every single Democrat (and a few Republican RINO’s) out of office at every level in local, state, and the federal government. Have you ever heard anything good come out of the mouths of the NY, CA, CO, IL Democrats that would in any way, shape, or form make this country better or improve the lives of hard working Americans? The answer is a definite no! They are takers using the least educated among us to keep their positions of power. The word “impeachment” needs to come up in more town hall meetings. I know the Democrats are doing their best to ruin my state (highest unemployment in US) and I am sure it’s not much different where you live. Time to “focus”.

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  19. kaniksukiddComment by kaniksukidd
    February 21, 2013 @ 2:24 pm

    The way I see it is that it is useless to continue talking but too early to start shooting. That is likely to change, and SOON!

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  20. jkgould0607389Comment by jkgould0607389
    February 21, 2013 @ 3:04 pm

    Democrats DO NOT CARE if you have been raped……let me say it again so everyone gets it! Democrats….DO NOT CARE.. if you have been raped. They might even spend numerous man hours resources and have government employees AKA(union members)stalking you, harrassing you, having someone else assault you again (because once isn’t enough) all to get you to KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND NOT TELL! In some instances this is how your TAX dollars are being spent. When I finally snapped and got angry at all this the amount of time spent on just trying to get me to SHUT UP was unbelievably ridiculous!And government employees that are suppose to do their job wanted me to SHUT UP…..you see the perpetrator is a die-hard Democrat and union member….he also has law enforcement officers in his family……so I have to be quiet because it would make them all look really bad for not doing their jobs…. for abusing thier jobs….. for covering for a rapist…. and on and on and on. My favorite part is having women (yes women physically assaulting me again while laughing and being entertained so I will get the message and shut up)all while your tax dollars are paying for it …Federal Recovery Dollars to be precise. Democrats are the worst lying maggots when it comes to justice for rape victims!THEY DO NOT CARE!

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    • myronjpoltroonianComment by myronjpoltroonian
      February 21, 2013 @ 4:38 pm

      Sounds like you’re in need of an “Equalizer”. If I read your “Federal Recovery Dollars” reference correctly, the cretins are federal employees. If they are “Of Color”, don’t bother contacting Eric Holder with your problem, he won’t have it looked in to. Especially if you are not one of the aforementioned “Protected Classes”. Self reliance and a judicious application of “The Three Ess’es”, however, may provide a good measure of permanent relief.

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  21. peletierComment by peletier
    February 21, 2013 @ 4:09 pm

    Dear friends:

    Now that the elections are over, Democrats show their true colors and waste no time in “throwing Women under the Bus”…

    Have American women learned anything, from Democrats/Liberals about thir true feelings , or do they just loved to be used, and re-used, by Democrats!

    Wonder what is the women arguement now, about been used????

    Have not read neither listen, to any Women, and/or Feminist, anywhere, wrip their clothes in front of the White House, and compalin about their descriminatory treatment they are getting from Democrats and their Liberal minions…

    Who knows, perhaps the Abortion Issue was the only issue, or theAlledge Romney’s Binder the Democrats sold them were were the only two issues they were looking for?

    EVIL IS POWERLESS WHEN GOOD IS UNFRAID.

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    • arwenusaComment by arwenusa
      February 21, 2013 @ 5:31 pm

      You must mean: “Have American DEMOCRAT women …” The rest of us figured O & Co out before he “won” his first election.

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  22. myronjpoltroonianComment by myronjpoltroonian
    February 21, 2013 @ 4:15 pm

    “Let them use a whistle”? “Fire a couple of shots in the air”? What’s with these non-violent progressive politicians? They’re so turn of the century, the last century. Joe’s giving tactical “Halt, or I’ll shoot” advice not used by police departments in the country since the middle of the last century, and this Colorado politician’s advice sounds as if he’ll tell women that, if the whistle doesn’t work, “Just lay back and enjoy it”.

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  23. steven LComment by steven L
    February 21, 2013 @ 4:29 pm

    Actually it is true, SOME women are stupid, because now it is clear, the democrat men are at war against women and they do not want women to have the means to protect themselves, therefore these women (democrat) are stupid. The so called democrat men want to continue to control women. They convinced these women to keep the democrat (men) in control of the gvt! Well done. The losers, the non-democrat people. 75% of the American people. As long as men control, women will be abused.

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  24. middlegroundComment by middleground
    February 21, 2013 @ 5:47 pm

    At 16 I worked in a mostly Black crew on Mare Island Naval Shipyard. I was curious about the long line of Black women lined up outside the base, so I asked the other 16 year old who happened to be Black and got the answer: “They’s checking their pistols. You don’t mess with no Black women, lessen she want be messed with. She just shoot your ***.” I remember thinking Black men and women had reached a pragmatic understanding and I was glad to not live in their violent world. Obviously, that world has now extended out to the rest of the country. I don’t think any citizen should have to suffer that type lawless behavior, but perhaps Obama thinks women shouldn’t carry and should be “messed with”..

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  25. myamerica1stComment by myamerica1st
    February 21, 2013 @ 5:48 pm

    I don’t wish this on anyone, but, I bet that if some of these Democrats that keeping coming up with these insane ideas had their wife or daughters raped, their whole idea of using a pen, scissors, vomiting on the attacker, whistle or other unbelievable stupid items would suddenly have a change of heart. Politics be damned when it comes to their women. The rest of us can go to hell!

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  26. oleteabagComment by oleteabag
    February 21, 2013 @ 5:51 pm

    Here’s a flash for those idiots advising women to urinate or vomit on their attackers in hopes of putting them “out of the mood”. Any minimally intelligent person knows that rape is NOT about sex–it is about POWER. Just like gun control is not about safety, it is about POWER. The rapist attacks a woman precisely to frighten and injure her so that he can feel POWERFUL. If he perceives that he has scared you so badly that you PEE on him, that is only likely to egg him ON, not put him OFF. You liberals are so STUPID you do not even have a CLUE what rape is about? And yet you want to tell women how to prevent it? Talk about making “war on women”!

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    • myamerica1stComment by myamerica1st
      February 22, 2013 @ 1:23 pm

      Amen!

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  27. vevaComment by veva
    February 21, 2013 @ 7:08 pm

    ”’the people in these places are sitting ducks..” And I hope all of them are Democrat Legislators!

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  29. recce1Comment by recce1
    February 23, 2013 @ 7:17 pm

    Sadly, I believe Rep. Salazar’s comments are being taken out of context and even being changed. This doesn’t help our cause; abiding by the 2nd Amendment where law abiding citizens won’t be disarmed by the state. We’re saying we shouldn’t have to be dependent on a police state to feel safe, as a matter of fact, in a police state we KNOW we’re not safe.

    What Salazar clearly was concerned about was what about a case in which if a woman was for some reason fearful she was in danger of being raped, took out her gun, and then shot an innocent person. He wasn’t concerned about her shooting a miscreant, at least I don’t think so. Why so many here including the moderator missed this is beyond me, and I find it not only politically wrong but also morally wrong.

    What would you super-patriots propose doing with a woman who out of fear, reasonable or not, shot and wounded or killed an innocent person? If she wounded someone would you demand she pay for all medical expenses and care, even if lifelong for the victim? Should she serve prison time? Would you recommend life or the death penalty if she murdered the innocent person, and that’s what it would be, murder?

    Lest you think my family has no experience in this matter, my daughter was raped in her home while her husband was overseas and almost killed by an intruder, believed to be an illegal immigrant. I traveled to her state and was going to bring her a gun. Wisely she said she could just see some guy coming up behind her to ask directions and she shooting him.

    So I took her out and bought her police grade mace and the biggest baddest taser we could find. My daughter only scared me when she said if some guy really attacked her there would be a couple of Rocky Mountain Fried Oysters left behind. I know she’d do it. Still, had she wanted a gun, I’d have bought her one.

    What we must say to those like Rep. Salazar is that we know with having a weapon goes a great responsibility. That does NOT justify disarming law abiding people. We should tell him, if he’s in any way serious about crimes against women, how about proposing a law that rapists who injure or kill their victims be PUT TO DEATH, and without years of pettifoggers being in the way. Then and only then will I believe his concern.

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    • thedoveComment by thedove
      February 23, 2013 @ 9:26 pm

      Extremists might not like it, but you make some valid points. I think it’s time we wakened to the fact there is no 100% right vs 100% wrong issue, when it comes to firearms. We need to find a way to make firearms use and ownership sensible and safe, while guarding closely the guarantee of the Second Amendment. Nothing must compromise that.

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    • recce1Comment by recce1
      February 25, 2013 @ 1:25 am

      thedove, thank you, however I believe there’s a 100% wrong when it comes to firearms. If you use them to commit a crime, especially to murder someone it’s wrong. Let’s start there. Require life without parole for those who commit murders.

      The only reason I oppose capital punishment is because the authorities have framed too many innocent people in order to get convictions. Perhaps we need a law saying if caught doing so the authorities involved should face the same maximum penalty even if it’s execution.

      By the way, I see most firearm laws today as a violation of the 2nd Amendment. Registration only let’s authorities know where to start looking if they want to confiscate them. Banning certain types is only a prelude to banning all types. This belief is hard for me as I was brought up as a law and order person who spent 20 years defending this country. Yet now while I love my country I profoundly distrust the government.

      So the only place to start is by making punishment for the misuse of guns swift and severe.

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  30. gnafuComment by gnafu
    February 23, 2013 @ 9:43 pm

    These idiots really think it wiser to be raped than shoot some creep in the face! That had to be “Man” talk because man doesn’t have to worry so much about a woman raping man. I wonder what this piece of politician thinks about military women in combat? I have a feeling he thinks that’s just fine. Another case where some people have ShipHighInTransit for brains.

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  31. gwizComment by gwiz
    February 24, 2013 @ 7:51 am

    All women considering requesting assignment to a combat slot may want to ask the training cadre if the “bodily fluids” defense will be used in combat situations.

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  32. myamerica1stComment by myamerica1st
    February 24, 2013 @ 6:03 pm

    According to you, Rep. Salazar was either “taken out of context” or someone changed what he said. If you watch the video of him speaking, you’ll see nothing was changed or out of context. He even apologized later.

    Rep Salazar said, “That’s why we have call boxes, that’s why we have safe zones, that’s why we have whistles, because you just don’t know who you’re going to be shooting at”.

    Many rapes take place in so called “safe zones”. The rapist knows fully well that he is safe in the zone since nobody has guns. It happens on campuses all the time! As for the “call boxes and whistles”, do you have the time to go to a box somewhere and make a call? Are you isolated and nobody hears the whistle, or perhaps it is ignored. Others have said to vomit or pee your pants. They say that will make the rapist not want to have sex after that.

    Anyone that knows much about rape, knows it’s a power and control issue and very rarely sexual desire. The vomiting (who vomits whenever they wish?) or peeing just shows how much control he has and can exacerbate the situation! Some have said to use a pen or other object. Yep, let the guy get so close that these objects would have little effect, if any! You would have to be quite lucky in that situation to hit a body part that could just stop the guy.

    I’m not saying not to use these ideas if nothing else is available, just that they are not very effective and having a weapon the guy finds too threatening to him is a major deterrent. If he’s not too close, a shot in the ground doesn’t kill anybody and that person is very likely to run, not get closer. Again, you were all for your daughter having a gun until she didn’t want one. That is her choice to make and if she doesn’t have the confidence in using one, she made a very intelligent decision, but if you talk to others who have been so violently raped and harmed, the vast, vast majority wish they had a gun at the time.

    Lastly, I’m not a “super-patriot” as you put it, for the reason you imply. I’m also not an “extremist” as ‘Comment by thedove’ claims in his reply to your message. I also don’t, like you, want a police state. Our 2nd Amendment was and is for the purpose of defending ourselves from our government (police state) or other threats to our country and for our personal self defense. Where does it say the government has the right to take away the right for certain guns.

    99.9% of the guns in this country are owned by law abiding citizens. It doesn’t matter what kind of guns they have, they don’t commit crimes. How about them working as hard as they are on taking away the guns from the bad guys instead of law abiding Americans? That would definitely save lives. The problem is they can’t stop them from buying guns from out of country or on the black market. So they try to look like they want to fix the problem by taking our guns. The fact that this the same government that wants to take our guns while they had no problem allowing criminals to buy the dreaded assault guns in America and take them to the drug cartels in Mexico. Fast and Furious, allowed

    AR15′s and other so called assault weapons were found, by Obama’s Justice Department’s research, that assault weapons are used in very few crimes and that banning them would have very little effect, if any, on the problems.

    Rahm Emanual, Obama’s former chief of staff, said “Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste”. Sandy Hook is the crisis and the administration is rushing for gun control before Sandy becomes a memory. More Chicago politicking. Obama just took it with him to the White House.

    The bottom line is that you should never rush to pass legislation as important as this. Obamacare is a great example. Speaker Pelosi(at the time)told the House Members that we have to vote to pass Obamacare so we can see what’s in it. That’s *** backwards, but for the Democrats, get whatever you want and don’t worry about how they do it or any unintended negative consequences that would not follow the leftist agenda.

    I agree with you that every rapist, and in my mind, child molesters, should be put to death. I would just add that it doesn’t matter if they did additional harm. Rape and molestation are violent enough on their own! It is proven that if you let them back on the street, it is very likely they rape or molest again. It’s a sickness in which very few are able to turn off the impulses that lead them to rape or molest.

    I hope I haven’t offended you. It’s not my intent.

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    • recce1Comment by recce1
      February 25, 2013 @ 2:10 am

      First off, in no way do I find your comments offensive. As a matter of fact I agree with most of what you wrote. As I indicated, I support the 2nd Amendment. Here’s some ammo for you which you many have read.

      Justice Story, who was appointed to the SCOTUS by the Constitution’s principal author, James Madison, wrote, “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of the rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”

      What I take from it is if we allow the 2nd Amendment to be breached, what’s to prevent the government from eliminating altogether the rest of the Bill of Rights? As it is, the Constitution is moribund. What one of the first 10 Amendments is intact? There is one, so far.

      So while I too don’t mind many of Rep. Salazars ideas fro women to use on campus, I still believe women, and others, should be allowed concealed carry on campus or anywhere else. What I said Salizar was fearful of was not whether or not he thought women were stupid or not, which many the author and many posters implied, but what would happen if an innocent person was shot. It’s that issue I accused “super patriots” of not being willing to answer and none have yet.

      So will you answer it? Will you agree that a woman who shoots and injures or kills an innocent person because she mistakes him for a threat be required to pay for the victims injuries and lost earnings or put in prison no matter how long it takes the injured to recover, or be put in life imprisonment or executed if she kills an innocent person? Yes or no? Should one be culpable for murder, even if it was a misjudgment?

      As I responded to thedove, there’re some 100% wrongs. Yet I emphasized my ABSOLUTE support of the 2nd Amendment. Also, did you miss the point of what i said happened to my daughter?

      By the way, the HealthCare Law is, despite a bad SCOTUS ruling and not its first, unconstitutional in my mind and that doesn’t even begin to cover the way it was rammed thru Congress. Go to DownsizeDC.org and look up some of the laws they advocate such as the Write the Bill, Read the Bills, One Subject at a Time, and Enumerated powers Acts. However, I’d like them as Amendments.

      No bill should become law without it being fully read on both House’s floors in its entirety, including parts of other bills deleted or changed and done so with a quorum that can’t changed it’s members. No speed reading or any other gimmicks and no vague rules for bureaucracies to formulate later. It should also be available to the public with enough time to be read by the average person with responsibilities, say no more than 10 pages a day. If it goes over 2 years to read because of a new House then it has to start over again.

      I’m simply a mean conservative curmudgeon

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    • thedoveComment by thedove
      February 25, 2013 @ 8:02 am

      >> I’m also not an “extremist” as ‘Comment by thedove’ claims in his reply to your message. <<

      Don't see where in any of my comments I called you "an extremist." Saying extremists won't like something is far from the same as saying anyone who doesn't like it is one.

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  33. myamerica1stComment by myamerica1st
    February 25, 2013 @ 12:23 pm

    recce1, I’m happy to answer your question regarding what happens if a woman makes a mistake and shoots someone by mistake.

    Our justice system, though terribly flawed, is what is in place to make the judgment of guilt or innocence. Most juries would find that woman not guilty if the circumstances showed it is or was potentially self-defense. If she shoots somebody standing 10 feet away, that would be wrong, but if that person was coming at her and does not stop immediately when warned by mouth or a shot into the ground, he should be considered a definite threat and be shot. I would do the same. Even 10 feet is really close when someone is approaching you. For me, it is only three steps. Investigators are usually able to use forensic evidence to show distance and other factors that help. Sometimes it is not.

    If a woman is found guilty, it’s a terrible mistake if she were really telling the truth and the circumstances seem to prove otherwise. No law will prevent mistakes. I just think it’s a great mistake for all women to be deprived of concealed carry in any potentially unsafe situation. Women and kids have been taken in or outside shopping malls. A pretty safe place with tons of traffic and people around. There are many other places as well. In a previous survey of felons in prison for violent crimes, 70% said they stopped from committing a crime because the person might have a weapon, even though they did not know for sure. This tells me disarming or inhibiting gun use just makes criminals more secure.

    We kill our own service members with friendly fire. Although that is such a terrible thing to have happen, it’s not totally preventable. I would use the same case for women accidentally shooting a non-assailant. It already happens in America and is, although a terrible thing, unavoidable. I don’t think we should not do something with so many potential good benefits just because there might be a mistake, severe as it might be. I, personally, trust women to make the right decision more than men (No, I’m not a woman. I’m just a man who tries to look at things objectively.).

    I did respond with my thoughts on your daughter in my prior message. I said she made an intelligent decision for herself. Anyone who is not confident or is uncomfortable with a gun should make the decision your daughter made. We all have that right and it shouldn’t be questioned by others because it is a personal decision for you when not trying to impose it on others. I don’t know the circumstances in her personal attack and I don’t question the decision she made regarding having a gun, but it’s very hard for me to believe that at some point during the attack that she didn’t wish for something to permanently stop it or to kill the assailant. That’s just being human, in my opinion.

    As far as your comment to “thedove” about capital punishment, I disagree with you that it should be banished. I think we could limit the situation in many cases. There are many cases where there is NO doubt due to overwhelming proven evidence of who did the crime and they should be put to death. I prefer that to paying to support them in prison for many years. Our country is letting criminals out of prison early due to space problems. Putting a killer, rapist or child molester to death keeps them out of jail leaving space for someone who should be using the space. If killers, rapists and child molesters know the penalty of death is the sentence and still commit the crime, they then made the personal decision to take the risk. They should get what they asked for.

    Lastly, I don’t see you as a curmudgeon as much as a person who has their own opinions on a very tough subject. I do like where your heart is and that says a lot to me!

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    • recce1Comment by recce1
      February 26, 2013 @ 12:47 am

      myamerica1st, let’s start with my statement on capital punishment. I don’t want it banished altogether but I’m unwilling to apply it under today’s corrupt criminal justice system without some protections. I believe that any officer, investigator, technician, prosecutor, or judge who intentionally falsifies, plants, alters, manufactures, or withholds exculpatory evidence should face the maximum penalty their innocent victim faced, up to and including execution. Inn addition, the state should be responsible for draconian financial penalties. Being a curmudgeon I believe in holding the state’s feet to the fire.

      So until then capital punishment should be held in abeyance like it was in Illinois for those very reasons. Some say that’ll put a chill on the system. If so then I’m for a deep freeze. I view ANYONE who justifies the chicanery that occurs today in order to maintain order to be no less than a coat holder. Look that up in the Bible. Mind you, I’m not discussing mistakes or overzealous investigation based on good faith. Do you disagree?

      While capital punishment is biblical, I’m not always sure that the death penalty is a deterrent in keeping potential killers, rapists, and child molesters from committing crimes beforehand. But it sure prevents them from doing so again. I once heard it said that it’s not the severity of punishment that deters crime but the surety of being caught and punished that does. Sadly, I’m not sure we have either. Crime does pay, tragically.

      Considering that many areas on campuses are crowded, I don’t see your verbal commands to others or a quick shot into the ground as excusing killing an innocent person if they don’t react quick enough. Furthermore, the situation is nowhere analogous to combat and friendly fire, unless you think campuses are a combat zone. By the way, if you say yes it might be I won’t blame you. ;-)

      However, I’d say that anyone who believed that failure of an innocent person to stop in time should be shot to be prima facia evidence of intent to kill and should result in life or the chair for the shooter. However, if I or a friend were the one shot at by a nervous nelly and I was carrying the woman shooting would be dead unless she got me first. Like I said, I’m a mean curmudgeon.

      As for how we “feel” in a stressful situations and how we should react are two different facts and separate us from savages. Take it from a combat officer who taught his children to severely injure or kill an opponent if necessary to stay alive. Like I said, I’m mean.

      Vengeance is the Lord’s, defense is the individuals. I hope you see my point. I don’t think we’re that far apart.

      By the way, in your response to thedove your recommendation of Alinsky’s and Cloward-Piven’s books is an excellent suggestion. It’s my opinion that Mr. (intentional) Obama is using them to great success. We have to stop him somehow.

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  34. myamerica1stComment by myamerica1st
    February 25, 2013 @ 12:52 pm

    thedove: If I misunderstood your use of the word extremist wrongly, I appoligize.

    As long as you’re not for changing the 2nd amendment in any way, I’m good with that. It’s the rules you speak about that worries me. If we let Obama and his minions make any changes to current law, that is just allowing them to continue making a little change now, they’ll just continue implementing small changes until their full agenda is reached, which is what they have been doing for years. They are as good at it as the Islamists who have been attacking us for over 25 years. They have no problem taking as much time as they need to get where they want to go!

    I’d like to suggest two books to anyone who reads this post. The first is Saul Alinsky’s book “Rules for Radicals”. The second is by Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven and is called “Poor People’s Movment’s, Why They Succeed, How They Fail”. They are like textbooks on how to do what the Democrats have been doing for years. You’ll read these books and if you’re old enough to remember past events, you’ll be shocked by how much has happened using their rules. They thought, as does Obama, that our great nation needs to be “Transformed” to a different kind of government. It’s Socialism, though most won’t say it.

    Don’t judge these books a radical conspiracy if you haven’t read them. The books and our history for the past several decades prove there is no conspiracy. It’s just fact.

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  35. myamerica1stComment by myamerica1st
    February 26, 2013 @ 1:26 pm

    recce1: I agree with you on penalties for all the agencies and officials. I would add that any officer who falsifies ANYTHING to achieve a conviction should be fired immediately whenever the case is completed even if a non-guilty verdict is reached. As far as the state paying, I would only ask if it’s a state court. If it is a county or city court, then they should pay the cost, not the state.

    I don’t want the death penalty completely stopped. Our justice system is definitely screwed up. The problem, I think, will remain. The system doesn’t want to correct all the problems. The attorney associations fight those kinds of changes. They hold considerable power. That being said, I still want the courts to us capital punishment for those who fit the criteria I mentioned in my prior post. If there are still questions about evidence at the end of the trial, hold off until that evidence is proven. If not, jail them if they are found guilty. Circumstantial evidence, though compelling, should not be the main factor when determining if death is justified.

    I would want the women I know, as well as those I don’t, to, after the warning, shoot the assailant rather than waiting until he has them. I know without a doubt that if someone pulled a gun on me or fired a warning shot, I could avoid hitting them or even touching them by veering off or stopping in less than 10 feet. If they are still aggressively coming after the warning shot, shoot them! The alternative is much worse. Once the woman is touched by the assailant, odds are it is just too late for the woman. I believe in “it’s better to be safe than sorry”, especially if it’s in these circumstances.

    I don’t think campuses are war zones. They are “safe zones” and yet many, many rapes and molestations happen across the country. Maybe I should say the campuses are war zones, though the only person with guns or that wants to commit a violent crime are the bad guys. Not such a “safe zone” once you think about it! Comparing it to “friendly fire” was my point that totally unintended mistakes happen. I wasn’t comparing war to college campuses.

    I doubt you would ever be in this position since you and your friends probably don’t follow women or aggressively approach them. If you were warned to stay away, whatever the method, I think you would heed the warning, not continue. I know I and those I know would do the same thing. If you have no illegal intent, you wouldn’t be in a position of continuing after the warning. If you’re walking and warned, you have the time to stop or veer off even in 5 feet or less if your intensions are not to harm. It’s very easy to stop when walking normally. There will be instances where mistakes are made. There is no way to stop that, but it’s not a good enough reason to stop women from defending themselves. As you know, it’s impossible to not have mistakes. Mistakes we regret happen in every part of life. I know killing sombody wrongly isn’t the same thing a many other mistakes, but it is a mistake.

    I agree Obama is operating using Alinsky and Cloward-Pivens methods. The Democrats finally, after all these years, got the president that fully believes in those “rules” and that our governmental system needs drastic “transforming”. Having one who does not believe in our constitutional law is perfect for their purposes. Using words and terms that sound wonderful and positive for socialist ideas works on all those Americans, and illegals, who pay little attention after hearing the word or term. I don’t like using such a broad brush, but there are a ton of uninformed Americans who follow the words or terms used by the Democrats. Are they dumb or just don’t care, I don’t know. The fact that the rest of the Democratic Party does not call him on this stuff just shows they have always agreed but didn’t have the main person in office that could lead them there.

    I’m impressed you know about Alinsky and Cloward-Pivens books. Very few people I talk to know who they are, or about the books. I’ve had some actually read them and are blown away by how the Democrats have used them for so many years. If everyone would just read the books, they would have the undeniable proof that the Democrats are on that path and getting quite close to “transforming” us to Socialism.

    I wish we could stop Obama, but we need Republicans who will do whatever it takes to end his uncontrolled lawless ways and the older, multible term members of the house and senate are more intrested in re-election than fixing our problems. As you probably know, they have complained that the “Tea Party” members won’t go along with the older ones. The fact that these members are following what they promised their constituants just isn’t important to the old ones. Their vow to uphold our constitution and laws doesn’t matter to them! We need one term limits on the congress. Give them a four to six year terms and we never have to worry about being re-elected being an issue.

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    • recce1Comment by recce1
      February 26, 2013 @ 10:04 pm

      myamerica1st, thanks for your well thought out response. We actually agree on most things. I believe while we both strongly believe in law and order, we both realize there’re serious problems with our justice system. They are fixable, although I tend to agree with some of Shakespeare’s characters about how to treat pettifoggers.

      I should mention when I refer to the “state” I mean the controlling governmental unit, be it city, county, state, or federal. So you’re right on as to who should pay for damages. By the way, if a government can’t pay, how about selling off its property, starting with the offices and official vehicles of the top officials to do so? By the way, I think the federal government should sell off a lot of its buildings and land to lower the national debt, but that’s another story. :-)

      As for capital punishment, I agree with you with the caveat that the penalties for official misconduct should be draconian. No matter the possible penalty or court outcome, losing a job isn’t much in comparison with sending an innocent person to prison or worse. So if an accused faced a five year prison term for robbery but was acquitted, yet an official had tampered with the case against the accused, that official should be imprisoned for the 5 years in addition to losing their job. Like I wrote, I’m a mean SOB curmudgeon when it comes to such. ;-)

      I’m completely with you on the proper procedures in criminal justice. Despite the problems I mentioned with the administration of capital punishment, I’m not against using it now in egregious and obvious cases where the evidence is solid. For example, mass murderers who survive should face the death penalty, and not after decades of litigation. An example would be Major Hasan. McVeigh was also a good case.

      Your example of shooting someone coming at a woman is predicated on the fact that after a warning shot the alleged would be assailant AGGRESSIVELY keeps on coming. I almost agree with that scenario. However, I do disagree with you that campuses are safe zones, either physically or politically. I know, I’m being snide. Actually I think you agree also.

      I’ll say that if someone fires a warning shot and is wrong they belong either in a mental facility or in jail under most circumstances. Fear of assault, rape, or even death is no excuse to threaten innocent people. Like I said, in my military training, which included protecting DVs and transporting classified documents, should someone point a gun at me or fire, I was taught to engage with lethal force, period. I wasn’t a police officer, rather I was a combat trained operative. Maybe that accounts for my being a hard “derriere” on the subject.

      Yet it’s likely to be so rare as to not even remotely justifying forbidding law abiding citizens from carrying weapons for protection. The 2nd Amendment isn’t option to observe by the government. It’s the palladium of rights.

      Sadly, your broad brush in describing many Americans is also right on. Our schools have done an excellent job in dumbing down the masses when it comes to American history, political documents, and political institutions. With a couple of young men just out of high school who help me with chores, I’m a disabled vet, I try to teach them about American history and politics. What they’ve been taught is nothing short of abysmal.

      Again, thanks for your response. I enjoy cogent discussions.

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