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Merry Christmas Charlie Brown? Not for these atheists!

By Bobby Eberle

Not even Charlie Brown is safe from a society which is going out of its way to drive God, Christianity, and common sense completely out of the picture. Americans celebrate Christmas, because it is the birth of Jesus, yet any reference to Jesus is being struck from view or reference. Now, a school field trip has been cancelled simply because the students would be seeing Merry Christmas Charlie Brown at a local church.

The Little Rock School District received a complaint the other day. Was it someone upset over drugs in school? No. How about bullying? Nope. Maybe an outbreak of cheating? Not even close.

In this case, the complaint had to do with the fact that a field trip was scheduled for elementary school students to see a performance of Merry Christmas Charlie Brown at the Agape Church in Little Rock. Some teachers saw the performance, and thought it would be great to organize a field trip for the kids. However, a parent complained that the play violated her religious beliefs. In came the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers (ASF), and the rest is history.

As reported by KATV in Little Rock, the ASF "mounted a campaign to have the field trip called off."

"We're not waging a war," said LeeWood Thomas, a spokesman for the group. "We're basically calling a foul against the separation of church and state."

The organization takes offense to students invited to a church for a field trip. Plans to present a version of the Christmas classic only compound the problem, according to ASF.

The free thinkers said they have consulted with the Appignani Humanist Legal Center in "correcting violations of separation of church and state at Terry Elementary School in Little Rock," according to a release.

Here's the television report:

KATV - Breaking News, Weather and Razorback Sports

Even though the report stated that the school still planned to go through with the trip, the church has now come forward and eliminated the matinee performances that the children would have used. Instead, the church now invites parents to bring their children to the church's weekend performances.

But because of what this issue has become, as a church, it is not our desire to put hard working, sacrificial teachers and cast members in harm's way. What we want said is that we love our city, our schools, parents and families. People are at the heart of the matter to us. While we regret the loss of students who will not get this particular opportunity right now, we have taken the school matinees off the table, and welcome parents to bring their children to our public performance schedule, Saturday, December 15 @ 2pm and 6pm, and Sunday, Dec. 16 @ 6pm.

To quote bible verses and song lyrics that apply, they reflect our heart toward the Little Rock School District and everyone involved - Peace on Earth, Good will toward men."

Pastor Happy Caldwell, Agape Church

What about the majority? Does the fact that 99% of the families have no problem with this trip mean anything? In fact, as the television report stated, NO parent complained directly to the school. But even so, someone complains behind the scenes, atheists get wind of it, and the whole effort is shut down. This is insane.

I'm so tired of these assaults on Christmas, and I'm just as tired of people backing down and giving in. What's that old saying? If we don't stand for something, we will fall for anything. America is falling... fast!

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  1. sunnybluesComment by sunnyblues
    December 5, 2012 @ 2:25 pm

    I hardly recognize my country anymore. Since when do we let bullies push us around? Give them an inch and they think they are Rulers. They are nothing more than small-minded bullies who can’t stand that some of us actually believe in something worthwhile. We must start being offended by THEM for a change and I guarantee they will go away.

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    • amosComment by amos
      December 5, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

      You’re right. Those christians are getting out of hand.

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    • Oregon JeffComment by Oregon Jeff
      December 5, 2012 @ 3:14 pm

      You’re allowed to believe whatever you like. However, things paid for with public dollars cannot promote (or give the appearance of promoting) one religion over another. This isn’t bullying. It’s in the Constitution.

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    • Ollie_FanComment by Ollie_Fan
      December 5, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

      Oregon Jeff, that is not at all what the Constitution dictates. It is that the government shall not impose a selected religion on it’s citizenry – not stop it at every turn when a school, etc decide they wish to conduct a prayer – which could be multi faith.
      Cut the garbage and read the damn document.

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    • CarmineComment by Carmine
      December 5, 2012 @ 4:23 pm

      He won’t read the document, Ollie, because it means he will have to use some brain cells and think a little.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 5, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

      “You’re allowed to believe whatever you like. However, things paid for with public dollars cannot promote (or give the appearance of promoting) one religion over another” – Oregon Jeff

      Just because you think you can make stuff up does not make it true.

      The very fact you said “allowed” shows you don’t have a clue

      The Constitution clearly prohibits the Federal government from allowing or denying. It is your religious views that you wish to impose onto others which makes you think you have some right to prohibit the FREE EXERCISE of their religion

      It is you who are out of bounds, trampling on others rights to be free from you.

      Please read it, it says MAKE NO LAW, none, zip, nada, to allow or to deny, either respect nor prohibit

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

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    • mcrankComment by mcrank
      December 5, 2012 @ 4:59 pm

      For the record: no one—nor any group—that I am aware of—seeks to shut down Atheist practices or events. They are allowed to be carried out without any legal battles nor any intrusions of any kind.

      These same people, however, feel it is absolutely necessary to showboat against anything and everything pertaining to God and Christianity—of which none is forced upon them nor threatens their belief system in any way whatsoever.

      They use the worn out separation of church and state line to justify their ridiculous behavior—which is taken entirely out of its original context and has no bearing whatsoever in their ever-growing list of complaints against Christianity.

      They are not ordered to discontinue their practices nor cancel any of their events, so why do they feel it is right for them to turn on those who pose no threat to them? If this is the best show of intelligence that adult minds can produce in any persuasion, then it doesn’t speak well of man’s reasoning ability. Perhaps it’s time we deal with them in like manner.

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    • wilantComment by wilant
      December 5, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

      But it’s just a cartoon!

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      December 7, 2012 @ 8:17 am

      oh boy!

      Jota: “The Constitution clearly prohibits the Federal government from allowing or denying. It is your religious views that you wish to impose onto others which makes you think you have some right to prohibit the FREE EXERCISE of their religion”

      I’m curious what you think about religious practices that clearly break other laws. Such are religious practices that allow someone to stone or otherwise murder female members of the family for supposedly moral infractions? What about religious practices that say a man can marry six or seven females, some children? And you are already touching upon religious practices that outwardly advocate bullying others not of their faith. Those kind of things in today’s world gray that one Constitutional line beyond recognition.

      Historically, certain religious groups settled their own colonies and when those colonies joined as the United States of America, it all made perfect sense. When the floodgates opened and all sorts of people were allowed in, things changed.

      I’m not saying I know what to do about it, I’m just sayin….

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 7, 2012 @ 11:28 am

      “I’m curious what you think about religious practices that clearly break other laws” – Grouchy One

      My view is from a Judeo-Christian perspective but think it is comprehensive (encompasses all aspects)

      There are only two laws

      The first is your relationship with what you hold to be true

      The second law is your relationship with others

      The first law is to love with all your being the master of your being (lord G-d)

      The second is some times expressed in the affirmative and is called the Golden Rule, do unto other
      or the Silver Rule when expressed in the negative, do NOT do unto others what is hateful to you

      This rule is found from the oldest civilizations and in various cultures

      So what is breaking the law is to NOT keep faith and to have a standard for yourself, another for everyone else

      And that in a nutshell sums up western liberal hypocrisy

      double minded, double standards

      As to your specific examples

      “Such are religious practices that allow someone to stone or otherwise murder female members of the family for supposedly moral infractions? What about religious practices that say a man can marry six or seven females, some children? ”

      One of our founding principles, trial by a jury of your peers, which is saying those whom life by a particular law are the best to judge whether the law has been broken.

      This is common law. However, common law is for a people whom have some thing in common. If the only thing they have in common is they all do things differently there can be no law. So cannot break what does not exist. Could use as an example, a common language, not only saying words others understand but having a similar understanding of the words

      The United States is a union, we are bound by what we have in common.

      Stop having anything in common, stop being a union.

      And unions break because people cannot agree, and when they only disagree they are in conflict where ever they meet

      Which was the reason for the Civil War

      Which is one of the greatest contradictions about liberals, they want to do things different (rebel) then force everyone to accept it (union)

      They want to be free, but everyone else has to be brought to their knees before their view

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 7, 2012 @ 1:31 pm

      “And you are already touching upon religious practices that outwardly advocate bullying others not of their faith.” – Grouchy One

      Have no idea what I wrote which gave you that impression.

      Have to ask, if a religion thinks it a good thing to bully others then they like it to be done to them?

      The first law is for YOU to give your being in love to that which will rule your life, love

      The second law is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, love

      How can one bully another and not break either or both of these laws?

      I understand some individuals hide behind religion but I cannot see how one can break the law and keep it at the same time

      So in that respect one does not need a government telling them what they need to believe, nor prevents them from practising their belief

      In fact, a wise government would hope that all its people were such individuals, true and faithful

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  2. wallybluComment by wallyblu
    December 5, 2012 @ 2:37 pm

    Let’s call all the food kitchens and homeless shelters “Christian Outreach Centers” and see if these so called humanists want to close all of them down.

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    • misuzyqComment by misuzyq
      December 5, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

      Great idea! It’s time to start fighting back. I’m tired of people on the left who have no idea what separation of church and state really means.

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      December 5, 2012 @ 5:52 pm

      “However, a parent complained that the play violated her religious beliefs”.

      There is a VERY simple solution for this ONE parent. Do not sign the permission slip allowing their child to go on the field trip. That will allow the other kids who WANT to go the opportunity to attend while the child who is “offended” will be allowed to remain at school.
      The school administrator should ask this ONE parent why they feel it necessary to trample on the beliefs of the rest of the class.

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  3. daveevad1Comment by daveevad1
    December 5, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

    Sorry, folks, but this isn’t something public schools need to be doing in the first place. Recall that public education is compulsory for this age of kids. Why would anyone consider it appropriate to require attendance at what is at root a church function? (And parental exemption doesn’t work well for this due to peer pressure).

    State religion is what you have in Russia and China. We don’t need that.

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    • bmcgittiComment by bmcgitti
      December 5, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

      daveevad1 – We don’t have a state religion and never have, we were simply founded on Christian values.

      This is getting way out of hand… There are far too many people in this country, including supposedly well educated people who do not have a true understanding of the relationship between government and religion. Christian beliefs and religion permeated the first 200 years of our founding and development, for pete’s sake, we have “In GOD We Trust” on our money, our laws are based on the Ten Commandments, in court we swear to GOD on a Bible that we are telling the truth. And now we have activist and lawyers telling us that we can’t mention or be exposed to GOD in public! There is NOT and never has been a statement in the Founding Documents, Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc., etc,…. that says that there is a separation of Church and State! This comment was made by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptist 15 years after the ratification of the constitution, and was taken completely out of context by a liberal, atheist judge in the 1930′s named Hugo Black, because he didn’t want tax dollars to pay for catholic school children to ride buses. Liberals and anti-religious people have misused this ever since, and unfortunately, many people actually think it was part of the constitution. Jefferson’s original intention for this comment in his letter was exactly the opposite of how it has been presented. His feelings, as well as all of our founding fathers, were that if any wall existed, it was to keep the government(and now lawyers) from preventing the expression of our Christian beliefs! Thus, a separation of Church and State for your right to express yourself, not for the government to make sure that no religious expressions are exhibited in public.

      We ARE a Christian nation, just like the Middle Eastern countries are a Muslim nation; many Asian countries are Buddhist, and so on. All it takes is one person not to want to hear about GOD, and the other millions who believe are told to sit down and be quit.

      We have to take a stand against these attacks… and unfortunately, we missed a great opportunity when millions of Idiots re-elected Obama and another wave of Liberal Judges and Politicians!

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    • wallybluComment by wallyblu
      December 5, 2012 @ 3:38 pm

      Well we better close all the Libraries, I think they might have a copy of the Bible, Torah or Koran, oh and by the way the dictionary might mention God.

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    • bogeesterComment by bogeester
      December 5, 2012 @ 5:18 pm

      In God We Trust was put on our money by Eisenhower in the 50s. It wasn’t always there. Like everything involving this 236 yr old country, the USA is being manipulated by everyone but We the People…

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    • siliconturtleComment by siliconturtle
      December 6, 2012 @ 12:09 pm

      “In God we trust” has appeared on U.S. coins since 1864 and on paper currency since 1957.

      “In God we trust” was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782.

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    • Carl RComment by Carl R
      December 6, 2012 @ 4:35 pm

      But can’t parents request for their child to be exempt from a field trip?

      I’m an atheist, but I wouldn’t object to a Christian withholding their child from attendance to a paleontology museum/fieldtrip.

      The problem here is that the ASF wants to restrict ALL OF THE SCHOOLCHILDREN from attending a Christmas pageant.

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  4. gimmesometruthComment by gimmesometruth
    December 5, 2012 @ 2:46 pm

    Welcome to The People’s Republic of Boiling Frogs. As the Progressives turn up the heat, we American frogs are lulled into ‘warm fuzzies’ while watching X-Factor until the skin of this Nation peels off its bones.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 5, 2012 @ 3:47 pm

      Just for the pure spite of it and personal enjoyment at offending them, not to mention starting a public argument at Wally World or wherever if possible, I’m making it a point when greeted with Happy Holidays etc. anywhere by anyone, I stare them in the eye and say Merry Christmas loudly and make sure they hear it (and anyone else within earshot). And I make sure my Christmas cards all say Merry Christmas at the minimum.

      If they have the right to be rude and offensive to me on purpose and try to push their beliefs (non beliefs?) on me, I have the right to reciprocate. The constitution says nothing about freedom of religion, just that the government will not form or endorse a government approved religion.

      The Salvation Army (God bless them, wherever they are still allowed, are still ringing their bells and saying Merry Christmas to me. I’ll put something in their pot even if it’s my last dime. ‘ll say Merry Christmas back, smile and see them smile back and say “Thank You Sir” knowing that we are both pushing back.

      If someone wishes to not give a seasonal and appropriate greeting to me, that’s their business and right and I have no problem unless they get in my face. But if they walk around with a chip on their shoulders, I’ll do my best to knock it off. The constitution does not give anyone the right to be a prick.

      Merry Christmas all! And a Happy New Year (somehow).

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    • CarmineComment by Carmine
      December 5, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

      sumitch, God gave people free will. That gives them the right to be a prick or anything else. The trouble is that people don’t have any idea what true freedom is. Freedom gives you the right to be successful or anything else. Freedom also gives you the right to do nothing and die of starvation. That may sound horrible and inhumane, but the choice is yours, you have free will. You have the free will to complain about something and I have the free will to not care at all about your complaint and do what I want. If people exercised their free will we wouldn’t have half the problems we have in this country.

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    • vevaComment by veva
      December 5, 2012 @ 4:57 pm

      I also say, “Merry Christmas” because I mean it. I write it with red or green ink on my Christmas Cards and all mail I send through Dec 24. If those who think Christianity is bad, wait until they are faced with a future of Muslims in control.

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      December 5, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

      “The constitution says nothing about freedom of religion, just that the government will not form or endorse a government approved religion.”

      sumitch, the Constitution does indeed say something about freedom of religion. If you will read the next phrase of the First Amendment, it also says Congress shall make no law prohibiting THE FREE EXERCISE OF IT (religion). That is the part that all the “separation” people fail to utilize because it doesn’t fit their agenda. In case you overlooked it, the First Amendment also says that “Congress shall make no law. . . .” So these groups that are always fighting against the church should keep their mouths shut until such time as Congress decides to try to pass such a law. Why is it they never complain about Bill Clinton when he goes into black churches and campaigns from their pulpits? Why is it that never go after Nancy Pelosi when she goes to Catholic priests and tells them to call for support to ‘comprehensive immigration reform’ in front of their congregations?

      I just wish that ONE time, these anti-Christian groups would try to force their beliefs on the Muslims. That would be interesting to watch.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 5, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

      Carmine, while I believe that God gave man free will, it stops when you try to stuff your beliefs or disbeliefs down my throat or harm me with them. If you don’t believe as I do, that’s your priveledge and vice versa. You’re right, you don’t have to care. For all I care you can go play with the eighteen wheelers in the expressway. Just don’t expect me to follow you.

      You do not have the freedom to shout “fire” in a theater nor do you have the right to gun people down in one. Your “rights” stop where mine begin. Do and believe what you want but don’t think you have any “right” to change mine or you may find my rights include knocking your stupid head off. Don’t try to argue with me. You don’t have the brains or the time.

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      December 5, 2012 @ 6:32 pm

      “Carmine, while I believe that God gave man free will, it stops when you try to stuff your beliefs or disbeliefs down my throat or harm me with them”

      sumitch, WHO has tried to stuff their beliefs “down your throat” or tried to “harm you with them”? You might have a complaint if some Christian stuck a gun in your face and demanded that you convert to Christianity, but only the Muslim treat people like that. The people of this nation should be free to “publicly exercise their religion” any time, anywhere, because that is also guaranteed by the Constitution. Have you ever seen a church or religious group take an atheist group to court over some religious practice? Have you ever seen the ACLU or the separation crowd take a Muslim mosque to court over some religious practice? If you don’t like a particular radio or TV program, do you try to get the network shut down or do you just change the channel or turn it off?

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 5, 2012 @ 7:22 pm

      bna42, there have been millions of people killed in religious wars. That’s a historical fact. I’d prefer to not be having our men and women fighting Muslims over what is in fact a religious war. I have friends in Afghanistan right now in harm’s way. That’s harming me. Harm is more than physical. The Koran tells the Muslims that they are to kill infidels which in their definition is me. They also believe that lying to accomplish their goals is perfectly fine. Trying to stop me from my personal preferences by lying to me or killing me is trying to “stuff their beliefs down my throat”. I consider that harming me. In Vietnam we were fighting communism which has and is working to destroy belief in God. Trust me, there were trying to harm me. I’ve had a subdivision try to force me to take down my Christmas decorations and tree because it offended some. The President has lied to us and that includes me. That is and will continue for years to harm me. The constitution gives no guarantee of not being offended. If everyone based their positions on what has happened to them personally, there would be far less conflict in the world but far more damage to entire nations. But that’s not what happens. I’d happily leave others alone if they would leave me and people that believe as I do alone. Working to deny me my thoughts and beliefs is hurting me. Resisting their actions now will hopefully keep them from stuffing their beliefs down my or my children and grandchildren’s throats later. And no, I have never seen anyone take a Muslim to court over their beliefs. But I have heard of a city in Tennessee that is keeping them from building a mosque in their town. This nation allows for many different religions. That’s why there are few court cases against Muslim. But if I was king, I’d run them all in and fine them for using and blocking a public street while they pray.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 5, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

      And no, the Constitution does not give you or anyone else the right to practice your religion any time or anywhere you want.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 5, 2012 @ 7:56 pm

      bna42, your comment at 6:06 pm says “The constitution says nothing about freedom of religion, just that the government will not form or endorse a government approved religion.” Which is the point I have addressed in my comments, so I don’t see what your statement has to do with much of anything except to be contrary.

      Then in your next paragraph you say “sumitch, the Constitution does indeed say something about freedom of religion”. Which cake do you want to eat? You can’t have it both ways. And then you go on to type “If you will read the next phrase of the First Amendment, it also says Congress shall make no law prohibiting THE FREE EXERCISE OF IT”.

      on’t make the assumption that I don’t know what the Constitution says (and means) or try to tell me what part to read in it. I’ve read the entire constitution and amendments many times and know what the first amendment says and what the meaning and intention is from reading the Federalist Papers. Perhaps you’ve heard of them? I didn’t see any reason to copy the entire first amendment as a reference to my comment. I just assumed that most people except some that are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing and possibly impressing people would realize the point I was making. Apparently I was mistaken

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      December 5, 2012 @ 7:59 pm

      sumitch, your rant on communism and Islam is not what I was referring to and I think you know that. My question was “sumitch, WHO has tried to stuff their beliefs “down your throat” or tried to “harm you with them”? I don’t need a history lesson because I was also in Vietnam. I don’t think your comments about Communists or Muslims answered my question because I don’t believe any of them have operated in the U.S. to force you to convert to their religion.

      Why is it that only Christianity is constantly attacked and forced out of society?

      Was it a Christian church that tried to force you to take down your decorations, or were your decorations a violation of your subdivision’s covenants that you agreed to when you moved into the neighborhood?

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      December 5, 2012 @ 8:09 pm

      “bna42, your comment at 6:06 pm says “The constitution says nothing about freedom of religion, just that the government will not form or endorse a government approved religion.”

      It wasn’t MY comment. I was just quoting what You said. I then went on to disagree you that “the Constitution does indeed say something about freedom of religion”, and pointed out the “free exercise” clause. Try to comprehend what I said and what you said.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 5, 2012 @ 8:38 pm

      What you think bna42 obviously does not make you a mind reader. My “rant” answered your question, just not what you wanted to hear. And if you don’t think that Islam is trying to hurt me (and you if you’re not Muslim) then you certainly are the one that needs to bone up on history. Just because one has not come at me with a sword doesn’t show that they aren’t trying to hurt me. If none have operated in the U. S. how do you explain the murder committed by the Muslim Major at Fort Hood? Or the twin towers?
      No I didn’t violate any subdivision covenants with my Christmas decorations (I did however violate subdivision covenants when I installed a natural gas furnace and water heater and because it was a “Gold Medallion” subdivision (which meant total electric) they tried to force me to take (they being the electric company) them out and install electric. I told them that I would be perfectly happy to install electric units if they took their cost of electricity to me back to what it was in 1964, years before I moved there when the house was built and the agreement was signed. It was just some person that tried to force me to take the decorations down (I don’t know who, but it’s a pretty safe bet it was some so called Christian or some atheist).
      Congrats on the Big Red 1. Mine was 5th SF, 60-10 Observation Group at Se Dec in the Delta area on the Mekong, ‘67/’68, headquarters in Da Nang. What does either have to do with the communists that we were fighting against that work to eliminate religion?

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    • CarmineComment by Carmine
      December 5, 2012 @ 9:28 pm

      Actually, you do have the freedom to shout “fire” in a crowded theater. If you do something that stupid you must also go along with the corollary to freedom, which many people most notably the liberals will not do, and that is to take the responsibility and accept the consequences of your actions. I’m not talking about “rights”, I am talking about “free will”. That fellow who shot up that theater in Colorado had the free will, and yes the freedom, to do that otherwise he would not have been able to do so. Now he must accept the responsibility and accept the consequences of that action. Had someone else in that theater been armed and plugged him he would have had to accept those consequences also. We live within a system of laws, both God given and legislated, which allows us to live in a society and is necessary for us to be able to function in that society.

      To take a biblical perspective, when the serpent told Eve she could bite into the avocado, I claim it was an avocado look at the pit the poor thing is all choked up with guilt feelings, he told her she would become like God in that she would know the difference between good and evil. He was absolutely correct. To this day we all know the difference between good and evil. Which direction we choose to go depends on how we wish to exercise our free will.

      When I mentioned this to a friend in a discussion some time ago, he said that means he had the free will to go and burgle my house. I told him that was correct, but that if he tried I also had the free will go haul out a samurai sword and slice him up into little bitty pieces (I’d like to see the gun control crowd get their minds around that one). Makes a terrible mess on my rug, but we both have to take the responsibility and accept the consequences for both our actions. His in getting sliced up and mine in cleaning up the mess and answering a lot of questions to the authorities and who knows how far that would go.

      You have the free will to try to make me accept your line of thinking. I have the free will to resist you by any means I desire. This is something the muslims will learn in the not too distant future. When that is finally settled, maybe then we can begin working on a thousand years of peace. I’m not going to continue this discussion any longer, I have said enough already. If you do not understand the concept you have the free will to do some research and cognative thinking. Then again you have the free will not to.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      December 5, 2012 @ 10:24 pm

      Oh spare me the **** Carmine. Naturally you have the free will to do anything you want so long as you know you’ll have to accept the consequences. Your point was some referene to what God gave us and said nothiing about consequences. You think it was an avacado? I’d not say anything else either if I were you. It’s like typing at a stump.

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  6. wdjincComment by wdjinc
    December 5, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

    This really ticks me off. When a single parent’s complaint results in a cancellation of a field trip over a Christmas play. We as a nation need to take a strong stand against the ACLU and all the anti-religion organizations before it’s too late.

    No where in the Contituition does it say ‘separation of church and state’ the only reference in the 1st amendment is to not allow the government to promote a single national religion. The amendment allows for FREEDOM OF RELIGION and NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. Our founders are turning over in their graves over these atheist complaints and our liberal judges granting their requests.

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      December 5, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

      YES! wdjinc.

      The Founders could have easily written, Freedom FROM Religion. They did not. The separation from Great Briton, did little for The Founders to embrace a Church of England parallel. In their wildest dreams (nightmare) they never could imagine that the Christian Nation, The Representative Republic that they set into motion, would have such organizations metastasize and control the Country via the Courts. Jefferson worried about the power of The Courts as a way to destroy The Republic.

      My bet, if they could see the ugly affairs of today, The Founders might have followed the Church of England example. The Founders said very clearly that for their experiment to work, to survive, that the People HAD to be a moral people, a religious people. Having a Moral Compass, would prevent many who would subvert the government, and sway The People into a Tyranny.

      I have had enough. As far as I am concerned, groups like ASF, are simply EVIL agencies and need to be fought tooth and nail.

      Merry Christmas! wdjinc

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  7. zbvhsComment by zbvhs
    December 5, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

    What people don’t realize is that, from an objective, scientific point of view, we know nothing concrete about God. All assertions about God are derived from subjective belief. Atheism is therefore as much religious in nature as is theism. Atheists assert that God doestn’t exist but have no way of proving it. Their goal is to abolish all religions believing in God thereby leaving atheism as the state religion.

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    • jerrymComment by jerrym
      December 10, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

      Atheism is simply at its’ root, nonbelief in a god. That’s it. I bet you didn’t know that because I have found Christian fundamentalists know nothing whatsoever about atheism. All they supposedly know is what their youth pastors tell them. By the way, you would be happy having your kids go to a mosque to learn about the life of Mohammad? NO? Now you know how the atheists in this story feel about this case.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 10, 2012 @ 8:55 pm

      “Atheism is simply at its’ root, nonbelief in a god” – jerrym

      Actually no

      agnostic would be one with out belief
      One who holds that the existence of anything beyond and behind material phenomena is unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable, and especially that a First Cause and an unseen world are subjects of which we know nothing. – O.E.D.

      atheist
      One who denies or disbelieves the existence of a God – O.E.D.

      Atheist are the biggest bunch of arrogant RELIGIOUS bigots
      to ever grace the face of the planet

      “Now you know how the atheists in this story feel about this case.” – jerrym

      No, I still don’t. Were they a teacher being forced against his/her will, were they a child being forced?

      How exactly did they have a dog in the fight?

      Other than wanting to tell everyone else what they should do

      Freedom of religion is about freedom of ideas, and every time I hear someone trying to restrict someone in their freedom to pursue their views, I know I have found the biggest religious bigot of all

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  8. mysticComment by mystic
    December 5, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

    I would love an answer to a question that has been niggling at my brain for the past few years now. Exactly what ‘harm’ or ‘abuse’ is anyone suffering when a religion/philosophy is present in public culture? I mean really? What is it that is causing so much harm and furor over?

    When I see a Menorah…I don’t squeal and find myself being skinned alive. I don’t feel my eye’s bleeding or being ushered into a Synagog for immediate conversion to Judaism. When the festival/fair held every harvest season at the local Buddhist temple that is open to the public…I don’t find myself being shaved down and put into monks robes. So why is it anyone who has a counter ideology/philosophy claims to have their rights trampled on due to a play, a menorah, a tree, a festival if it’s Christian in nature?

    ….what harm is anyone suffering….unless it’s self inflicted and looking for harm where none exists.

    ~M

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    • vevaComment by veva
      December 5, 2012 @ 4:43 pm

      I agree. They are making “Much Ado About Nothing”. In history, other cultures celebrated a day in which a persona called St. Nicholas gave presents to children that had been good for the year. If not, they got a chunk of coal. I don’t recall that it was a CHRISTIAN

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 5, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

      Can anyone tell me how many of ACLU’s people are volunteers and how many are on a payroll? Being PAID to interfere with people’s right to go to a Christmas play or NOT to go to that play seems WRONG to me;it’s little more than Prostituting their values. If they believe in what they’re doing,they should be volunteering to do it.
      If the Atheists want to have a public function,a play,for instance,I have every right to avoid it like the plague,if I so desire,and in turn,if I want to go to a Christmas play,any and all Atheists can feel FREE to do the same. THEY do NOT have a right to prevent ME from seeing a CHRISTMAS play. They would be expected,if they have ANY brains at all,to exercise their VERY OWN right to decide for themselves to NOT LOOK at something that might offend them,just as the rest of the World’s people do.

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  9. memawComment by memaw
    December 5, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

    When my children were in school, we had to submit a permission slip for them to go on a field trip. All the parents who object would have to do is either not return the slip or write a note telling the school that they object to their child’s attending the play. Problem solved. The powers that be made a bigger deal out of this than necessary.

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    • gsreaganComment by gsreagan
      December 5, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

      The parents that object, their kids get to stay home and NOT go on the trip. Problem solved, again.

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    • Oregon JeffComment by Oregon Jeff
      December 5, 2012 @ 4:50 pm

      No, the problem is actually only solved by adhering to the Constitution and not trying to take field trips to churches unless it’s specifically part of a religious studies class.

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    • vevaComment by veva
      December 5, 2012 @ 4:50 pm

      Right! These people today who object to everything don’t know how to think! They can’t analyze anything. There are many reasons why some children can’t attend a certain field trip. And they don’t need some dumbed down fool to screw everything up! They think they are being so clever! Well really.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 5, 2012 @ 11:19 pm

      “the problem is actually only solved by adhering to the Constitution and not trying to take field trips to churches unless it’s specifically part of a religious studies class” – Oregon Jeff

      The opposite would be

      the problem is actually only solved by adhering to the Constitution and trying to take field trips to churches

      I know you think that is wrong, I am telling you they are both wrong

      When you adhere to the Constitution you are not permit to say either way

      What you are claiming, the Constitution permits and denys. When it expressly says the Federal government can do neither

      It is also interesting you say there are exceptions to what the Constitution will allow, when it is saying “absolutely”

      MAKE NO LAW

      This is nothing more than you imposing your beliefs on to others because there is not a single fact to support your position.

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    • pwpmmpComment by pwpmmp
      December 6, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

      There are times when a church building serves strictly as a place of worship but other times when it is used for other purposes. For example, many of us vote in churches, give blood in churches, attend health screenings or other community functions in churches. In fact, if it wasn’t for churches allowing their facilities to be used for the common good in these situations, it would be very difficult to find easily accessible places to hold these events. The sword cuts both ways. If you are going to get your knickers in a bunch because a school function is held in a church, then perhaps churches should quit generously allowing their facilities to be used for all manner of civic activities.

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  10. gsreaganComment by gsreagan
    December 5, 2012 @ 4:23 pm

    This “Seperation Of Church And State” C**P that these IDIOT ASF and ACLU DRONES keep up is going to get ugly, soon. These knuckle draging, dumb a**, dope smoking, LSD taking IDIOTS will soon be regreting their actions if they live to see the day. Bunch of commie BHO loving IDIOTS. They need to move to the former USSR, the EU or the middle East. Just get the Hell out of the USA.

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  11. kskiddComment by kskidd
    December 5, 2012 @ 5:19 pm

    “Free thinkers” my achin’ …. foot. Yeah, and Fred Phelps is a lovable Christian, too. There is nothing “free” in the thought processes of any atheist who refuses to allow other people to think as they choose. The United States Constitution was written by men who would not allow an atheist to teach school, serve on a jury or in public office because they did not believe any man or woman who does not believe in a future state of rewards and punishment could be trusted to serve honestly and virtuously. That is an historical fact. The concept that the public must be defended against public displays of the Christian faith is a constitutional reality is, frankly, nothing but a damned lie.

    The purpose of the founding fathers was not to suppress religion, most especially Christianity. Their intention was to insure that no particular Christian denomination could take control of the government as they had just fought a war in part to end the oppression of the Anglican Church. As it happens, some of the forefathers themselves were Anglican. They had no problem with the religious tenants of that faith, they simply did not want one denomination ruling over other Christian denominations, and it was their intention that ALL Christian denominations remain free to practice their faith.

    The idea that one should lock up their faith in a closet when one goes out in public would have enraged the founding fathers.

    For the record, the founders did not try to tell someone that they could not be atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu. They would have allowed people of those faiths their religious freedom. But they would not allow them to teach children in the public school.

    For those uninformed, uneducated, and “Non Thinkers” out there, a little quote from Benjamin Franklin, perhaps one of the least religious of the founding fathers. This statement was made by him during the consideration as to whether or not there should even be a public education system: “It is necessary that we have a public education system in order that children may learn to read, in order that they may read the Bible, in order that they may be better citizens.”

    The fact is that atheist activist, homosexual activist, pro-baby killing activist all hate the Christian faith because they see it as a hindrance to their personal autonomy, which is not freedom. Freedom requires a sense of responsibility to one’s self, to others who possess a soul created by the creator and the unalienable rights of other souls. It requires that one be a functioning part of a free society, not a source of schism, contention or oppression.

    For you “Free Thinkers” out there whose historical knowledge is non-existent and whose thinking processes are as shallow as your own ego, you are destroying the very foundation upon which your freedom rests when you attack the roots of our nation.

    If you could chain up enough jackasses on to the Statue of Liberty and let every one of them pull in what ever direction they want to pull, it might take a while, but sooner or later, the Statue of Liberty would tumble down. The same is true of freedom. You jackasses are pulling it a part. Make all the excuses you want, transfer guilt all you want, the result is the same: When freedom in America is dead, your freedom will be just as dead as mine or any one else’s.

    When freedom in American is completely dead because of you so-called “free thinkers”, what will you tell your grand children when they turn you into the government for some kind of presumed treason because of your personal beliefs or thoughts? You think that isn’t where we are heading, where you are taking us? Think again. Nature abhors a vacuum. When you have finally made it a crime to be a Christian, when this nation is so far removed from the faith of our founding fathers and understanding of their intentions, what do you think will fill that vacuum? Peace, love and tolerance? Get real. You, yourself demonstrate every time you attack a Christian, a church, a public display of the Christian faith prove that you have no concept of peace, love or tolerance. You are in fact abusive bullies, but you are not just bullying another person here and there. You are bullying out country out of freedom, and so long as you live in this country, that means you will also loose in the end. Christ made an observation that even the most intellectual of you cannot disprove: You cannot take fire into your bosom and not be burned.

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  12. pwpmmpComment by pwpmmp
    December 5, 2012 @ 5:46 pm

    Why not just give the parents, who are offended by the possibility of their children being tainted by watching Charlie Brown in a church, the opportunity to opt out and watch a DVD of it, or something else, in the school library. Then, when they have how to perform gay sex day, or condom negotiation day, or where to go for your free birth control/abortion day, let me opt my children out and they can watch something about the benefits of waiting, promoted by some of our well-known athletes, music or media stars.

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    • jbenningComment by jbenning
      December 5, 2012 @ 5:49 pm

      It wasn’t “parents” … it was “parent” or individual who happens to be stuck on stupid. Their childhood must have been a total loss.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 5, 2012 @ 5:54 pm

      I watched the news video above. The parents were given that option. The guy threatening the law suit claims that the kids watching the Charlie Brown movie is a misuse of tax funds. Of course, every one knows how much liberals and democrats hate misusing tax funds :)

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  13. jbenningComment by jbenning
    December 5, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

    Stupid atheist’s = grand-standers. Clowns.

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  14. drillbabydrillComment by drillbabydrill
    December 5, 2012 @ 5:50 pm

    Not a Christian? Leave this country.
    And take all the illegals and minorities with you.

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  15. adrianpaulComment by adrianpaul
    December 5, 2012 @ 5:52 pm

    Veva – we don’t have to wait until we are faced with a muslim in control – we’re there now with the one in the WH!

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  16. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    December 5, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

    Atheists are all over the place just like bacteria, bugs, skunks, and athletes foot. They were born to interfere and make things uncomfortable. Never heard of a atheist flu, or an atheist ism, never heard of a atheist bug or beetle, but they do raise a smell. They show up in the darndest places too. They love to attack Christians and spread. There is a shot to prevent their spread. It’s called a 38 in some cases.
    They love to say “seperation of church and state”.

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  17. mrsgunnut10Comment by mrsgunnut10
    December 6, 2012 @ 10:44 am

    I think it would be fantastic, if Our Federal Judges would over rule, these two-bit Circuit Court Judges that are making these Constitutional changes. All the Federal Judges would have to say is: Hey all of you Anti-Christmas and/or Holiday Non believers here is the NEW Law. You non-believers have the complete and unalienable right to NOT LOOK AT, WATCH, or LISTEN TO, any of these Christian Festivities and/or Plays of any kind that Christians may enjoy all year long. The Christians have the same rights as long as they do not try make you watch these same Programs. Now doesn’t this sound like a “simple solution” ?? It would sure stop some of these Law Suits and relieve this weight from the Court System. Thank you for your time. TSgt., USAF Retired.

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  18. wallybluComment by wallyblu
    December 6, 2012 @ 4:22 pm

    When are we closing the libraries, I’m sure they have books that mention God like the dictionary, encyclopedias, they probably even have a copy of the Bible or Koran (I’m old fashioned I don’t spell it with a Q)?

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  19. uscitizenComment by uscitizen
    December 7, 2012 @ 7:48 am

    I recently recall seeing a youtube video of a group of students visiting a mosque . They even had the students participate in their activities. Why was that allowed to happen and where were all the “free thinkers” then??

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 7, 2012 @ 9:18 am

      Here is a video from Youtube where students were at a mosque
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqW6eDDUU-8

      To me this is all an assault upon religion

      It is an attempt to get rid of all religion so all that is left is the religion of no religion

      If that is not the case why is it so wrong for all the anti-religious thinkers that everyone with a different view needs to conform to their particular beliefs about religion?

      It is about being perfectly free

      If school boards want to pay to have children and teachers learn about different views, from Christianity to Satanism (ah yea, there is the test of whether this is a principle or a promotion)

      The teachers are free to opt in or out, parents are free either way too.

      After all it is do unto others as you would have them do unto you

      But then that is a religious view and Bernard Shaw said, “The golden rule is that there are no golden rules”

      Which would be a very strong argument against the one size fits all positions the liberals wish to push on to everyone of no religion and no freedom to think anything else

      But we know what makes a liberal, free to spend your money, stingy with theirs; force their views on to you, but they are free to do what ever they want; hold others to the most stringent regulations but excuse their most grieves offenses; the supreme arbiter over every matter with the only thing being consistently applied is whether it always works to their advantage.

      In a word, the very definition of a tyrant

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  20. Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
    December 7, 2012 @ 8:01 am

    I’m going to stick my neck out here before I read what others have to say because I have a very strong opinion on this particular type of issue. I’ve been here on earth for a lot of years and I’ve seen a lot of places and heard the views of a lot of people. Speaking only for myself, I will that that although I do believe in God, I don’t believe in the kinds of organized religion that have lost touch with the realities of today’s world. You can figure out what I mean by that for yourself.
    On the other hand, and this is something I believe even stronger, I don’t believe that court time should be wasted with stupid nonsense that either supports or denies religions unless, and I say “unless” because I know there are situations where this has and still does happen, the religious or anti-religious groups are disturbing the peace and interfering with the lives of others. For example, I don’t think mosques with minarets blaring out unintelligible garble five times a day should be built in the middle of every major city but I also believe that if people want to build their churches– any churches– to worship, it should be allowed.
    This persecution thing, from where I sit seems to come from both sides of the fence with aethiests picking on Charlie Brown and and anything else they can find to raise a fuss about and certain Christians picking on everyone who doesn’t believe the same things they do. In my opinion it all needs to stop but, if it doesn’t, at the very least, the US government should not waste their time hearing court cases about any of it.
    I deeply resent that courthouses around the nation were forced to take down the ten commandments because someone didn’t like it. And when the shoe is on the other foot– say when people can’t build a bar and open it up without being harassed by church people and shut down by the courts– I find it equally detestable. Most of all, I resent that the court wasted the time to make any judgement call that took away rights from one group of people to appease another.

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  21. Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
    December 7, 2012 @ 8:23 am

    Also, it seems to me that in this particular case, the parents had to sign to allow their children to get on a bus during the school day and go anywhere at all. So, if the aethiests didn’t want their children to, God forbid!, go inside a church and watch a cartoon, then I guess they could just not sign. This is nonsense!

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  22. sebby44Comment by sebby44
    January 13, 2013 @ 9:43 am

    Duhmerica is now a country where the prudes and the liberal whiners prevail with political correctness, outrageous gun control, freaking out over pictures of breasts, or elbows that look like nipples, traditions which were part of this country and protecting without a doubt, an administration like it was a religion.

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