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And this Op-Ed made it onto Fox News?

By Bobby Eberle

When I was scanning the news web sites yesterday, I came across something most intriguing. I was on the FoxNews.com home page, and I looked under the "Opinion" section. The top-billed story in that section read "Sally Kohn: Obama's right, Americans can't succeed without government." I thought it was some kind of joke. Or... maybe it was a tongue-in-cheek commentary. Boy... was I wrong. This article was about as bizarre and leftwing as they come.

First, before I dissect the "fine" work of Ms. Kohn, I invite you to read yesterday's lead opinion piece from FoxNews.com yourself:

Sally Kohn: Obama's right, Americans can't succeed without government

Now for the dissection... the fun part! The premise of this column is obvious: In Obama's speech last Friday, he was right when he said that business owners can only succeed with the help of government. The author agrees 100%.

She starts by writing about her grandfather's business, where he "employed two people who earned decent, middle class wages and made a good living for himself, probably upper middle class for that region. And good for him. He worked hard and earned it." Then she added this gem:

But there were things that helped my grandfather's business that he didn't have to pay for. The roads trucks drove on to bring him products to sell. The court system that incorporated his business and protected the patents of what he sold. The police force that made it safe for people to shop there. The public schools that taught his employees how to read and do math, so my grandfather didn't have to teach them. Make no mistake about it -- my grandfather succeeded because of his hard work and initiative. But government played a supporting role.

Do I need to go any further than the first sentence. Let's repeat it: But there were things that helped my grandfather's business that he didn't have to pay for.

Unreal. And in one sentence, it shows the liberal mindset... that government is somehow this kind, gracious, caring entity that exists on it's own and has a stockpile of cash that it will bestow upon the good people of America. Come on!!!

NOTHING is free. Government has tax revenue to "spend," and it comes from taxpayers! Oh and guess what. I'm willing to bet that her grandfather was a taxpayer. That means he helped pay for the roads, pay for the courts, pay for the police force, pay for the public schools, and on and on.

Then, the author moves on to Obama's bogus "fair share" claim. She claims: "Today, hedge fund managers and big business CEOs pay lower tax rates than middle class families."

First, her statement is simply not true. Every tax rate for a wealthy person is the same or higher than someone in the middle class. Secondly, the so-called wealthy pay almost all the taxes in America. According to the National Taxpayers Union, in 2009, the top 10% of income earners paid 70.47% of federal income tax. The top 50% paid a staggering 97.75% of federal income tax.

The tax burden falls overwhelmingly upon those making more money. Yet, because liberals only believe in more and more government, they will tax America to death in order to pay for it. Cutting spending, shrinking government, and cutting regulations are not anywhere on their radar screens.

The next part of the column really cracked me up. She states that Obama's words were taken out of context. Then she includes a paragraph of what he said and tries to defend it.

We don't need to spin this or splice it or take anything out of context. We can use her own paragraph to show just how out of touch Obama is. The author does us the service of reminding us that Obama said, "If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

That's what he said. Plain and simple.

It's quite an amazing column. She makes an argument based on no facts. She attempts to defend Obama's indefensible remarks. And what's stunning is that this is a "Fox News contributor and writer." What's the world coming to?

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  1. billwvComment by billwv
    July 18, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

    The biggest obstacle to business is ‘government interference’. This has always been the case and has not changed and will not change. Ozero has done more single-handedly to stifle business in this country than any other contributing factor. ‘Draughts, pestilences, all kind of nature-born disasters cannot compete with Barack Hussein Ozero. He is a one-man economic wrecking ball. He can cause more deviant behavior in the job market and employment sector than anything else known with his tax the rich; which is to say ‘destroy the job producers’. Do away with any hope of having cheaper energy, gasoline; bankrupt the coal producers and no oil pipeline; in this Ozero seems to think that we don’t need the employment all of this brings. He is totally devoid of any ‘business sense’ and will with a reelection ‘completely destroy’ the underlying foundation of businesses.

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    • Oregon JeffComment by Oregon Jeff
      July 18, 2012 @ 3:07 pm

      If the rich create all the jobs then why, with the rich having the lowest taxes in the last 30 years, are we not overflowing with jobs?

      The reality is that consumers are responsible for approximately 70% of the economy. When consumers don’t have purchasing power, they don’t buy. When consumers don’t buy, it costs jobs.

      The rich aren’t job creators. They never have been and never will be.

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    • billwvComment by billwv
      July 18, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

      Mr. Oregon Jeff: Reality check; where have you been for your lifetime? Let me guess: under a rock.

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    • Comment by AcadGrad81
      July 18, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

      ORJeff- has anyone ever gotten a job from a homeless person?

      President Obama seems to think by lining up union-friendly, short-term infrastructure projects, he can say he’s a job creator. These are no different than FDR’s WPA make-work jobs that gave people something to do after the Depression, are they not?

      Entrepreneurs lay their ideas, savings, mortgages and investment money on the line to take risks when they open or grow a business and except maybe for favorable SBA loan terms, the government more often impedes private sector growth. In our current uncertain economic and leadership climate, job creators are sitting on the sidelines waiting out the results of Nov. 6 elections before they open their wallets. So if this Obama flak, Sally Kohn-head wants to spin that government has something to do with business success it only applies in the negative sense- keeping government out of the way engenders success in the private sector.

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    • Oregon JeffComment by Oregon Jeff
      July 18, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

      I’m a business owner with employees. I know full-well what I’m doing and I know full-well who is and is not a job creator.

      Why are you avoiding my original question?

      If the rich create all the jobs then why, with the rich having the lowest taxes in the last 30 years, are we not overflowing with jobs?

      Seriously, try to answer that if you think the rich are job creators.

      AcadGrad81, job creators are “sitting on the sidelines” because there is a lack of consumers, not because they’re waiting for the election results.

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    • Bayushi ZeroComment by Bayushi Zero
      July 18, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

      billwv:
      Jeff has been in one place, at least: The People’s Republik of Oregon.

      Just ignore anything the leftard has to say, sir. Half the people in this state are as dumb as rocks. The other half isn’t quite that stupid.

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    • jmccarthy1Comment by jmccarthy1
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

      TO: OREGON JEFF. “…The rich having the lowest taxes in the last 30 years…” We have a “Progressive” tax system which is one of the “Ten Planks of Communism” which, I thought, would make you happy. Thus The top ten percent of taxpayers pay over 60% of all income taxes EVEN under the current rates! Business’s aren’t adding job’s because of the Communist in the White House. Why should they prosper only to have obama take it away not only from “the rich” but from the workers as well? The bottom 49% pay no tax at all. Without the “evil, rich business owners” providing goods and services what would your consumer spend their money on? I’m not going to change your mind because you were tought from childhood that America and Capitalism are “Evil” and that Communism is good, so from a Communist point of view your comment makes sense. That’s just my opinion.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

      Jeff:
      If the rich don’t create jobs, who does? Poor people?

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

      Bayushi:
      It has gotten to be the People’s Republic of Oregon. What the hell has happened to the West Coast? California, Oregon, and Washington used to be moderate to conservative states. I’m still at a loss to understand this unfortunate change for the worse. Must be an influx of East Coast liberals.

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    • Oregon JeffComment by Oregon Jeff
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

      LAPhil, consumers create jobs by buying things. Consumers are responsible for 70% of our economy. When they can no longer afford to buy but the bare minimum to get buy, jobs are lost.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

      And we know it’s you giving out the 1-stars, Jeff.

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    • pops10Comment by pops10
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

      Oregon Jeff, technically tax rates were lower under RR at least early on. but the real issue is uncertainty. The President wants to raise tax rates and he has never said exactly how high. Since he believes in higher taxes – to raise revenue and for “fairness,” rates will likely go up a lot. To cover his spending, all of the income of the “rich” will be required and then some…do the math. Investors and consumers see this uncertainty and pull back. That is why we do not have enough jobs. Uncertainty about how high taxes will go under the current regime.

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    • 49bobComment by 49bob
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

      Oregonjeff think Obamacare, think Bush tax cuts expiring, think the stimulus, think the deficit, think no budget from the Senate for over 1000 days, think extended unemployment, think over regulation for god sake man how many reasons do you need for the business community to be nervous about expanding?

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    • billbeneComment by billbene
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

      OR-Jeff – consumers create the NEED for jobs, not the jobs themselves. “Rich” people (which is a vague, moving target, depending on who is defining and for what purposes) are the ones putting up their capital, and yes, they are the ones creating the jobs. If consumers contact you directly on whom and when you will hire, you are a pretty poor businessman. The fact is, you may choose to believe Mr. Obama, but whatever level your business is at is due much more to you, your ideas and the marketplace for them, and your decisions than anything the government has done along the way.

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    • Texas PatriotComment by Texas Patriot
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

      Hey Oreo Jeff, how many jobs have you gotten from a poor person? Or did you ever have a job?

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    • ottozeitComment by ottozeit
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:42 pm

      OR Jeff — I don’t think I ever read anyone who claimed that “The Rich” – as a class – were “job creators”. But it is painfully obvious that many jobs are created by people who start or expand businesses with money they inherited or earned, and that many of those have enough money to be called “rich”. Some use it that way and some don’t, but it is wealth that “creates jobs”, and “rich people” are just a link in its transmission. Anybody with economic common sense knows that already. Other than that, what’s your point?

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    • joelinpdxComment by joelinpdx
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:52 pm

      Ignore Oregon Jeff. He’s made up his mind that employment is inextricably linked to consumerism. He will never understand that business owners are concerned about what Obozo will do to them and that’s why they don’t want to have too many employees on staff.

      Oregon Jeff is obviously a resident of the Portland area and probably was a part of the “Occupy” group that destroyed a couple of city parks.

      I live in a part of free Oregon and wish the Portland jerks would secede.

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    • bcorpComment by bcorp
      July 18, 2012 @ 7:28 pm

      What this dunce does not get is government is a bunch of people, the leaders of which we the people hired, they work for us, they get paid by us. If she does not understand that there is no hope. As such what they do to assist or enable our businesses is the job we hired them to do!

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    • lindseyComment by lindsey
      July 18, 2012 @ 7:32 pm

      OBAMA, EPA, FDA, etc REGULATIONS placed on Companies are KILLING JOBS! Also GOOGLE:
      “Tom DeWeese AGENDA 21″ to get informed and educated on what is ACTUALLY happening and has been for Over 60 yrs. It’s ONE WORLD ORDER – GOVERNMENT. If and when you Goggle it, you WILL SEE PROOF of what’s happening and basically going to happen.
      Google YouTube for Agenda 21 Video’s. Get informed NOW before it’s too late.

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    • smericleComment by smericle
      July 18, 2012 @ 9:16 pm

      the biggest obstacle to small business is a sound idea and good leadership and hard word. Ask any of the legal foreigners how much “regulation” is hindering their ability to start, run and sale small businesses here in the u.s. at best, the federal government and regulations are a moderate hinderance. i’ve started two successful companies and been part of many others and at no time did management of the company ever sit down and contemplate what a federal regulation may do to the company. compared to the real challenges facing companies federal or state regulations are just non issues.

      fact is, most federal regulations are written, implemented and supported by big business, try to remove epa regulations from the oilfield industry and see how far you get before exxon, halliburton, or bp come shut you down. regulation is one of the cornerstones of their success model. not the removal of regulations, but the creation of new regulations. take some time to educate yourself on regulatory capture sometime.

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    • msheilmanComment by msheilman
      July 19, 2012 @ 2:58 am

      Wowee – ya done got that big ol’ can of whoop-ash wiped off, yet, Jeffie?

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    • jsm1963Comment by jsm1963
      July 19, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

      @joelinpdx The idea that a business might be facing increasing demand for their product, but are holding off on hiring more people to produce more of that product because of some irrational fear of what Obama might do – based on nothing – is pretty laughable.

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    • rikaliforniaComment by rikalifornia
      July 19, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

      Not only does our government benefit us all, but it also directly makes whole private industries very profitable. The defense industry has only one customer-the US government (well, maybe some foreign militaries too). And that industry alone employs millions of Americans and makes some CEO’s and shareholders very rich. Building contractors that build schools, libraries, court houses or bridges also have the taxpayer to thank. The US government is probably the biggest customer in the world and doesn’t make anything. So we rely on the private sector for everything from paper clips to medicine to satellites. When we say lower taxes and cut government spending we are really cutting into private business. And those that reap the most from the benefits and protections of our government should pay the most. How much more fair can that be?

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    • twh58Comment by twh58
      July 19, 2012 @ 10:26 pm

      How do you suspect the consumers buy things to support the economy YOU DOPE a successful business gave them a job with a PAYCHECK ATTACHED. Liberal reasoning just boggles the mind. Oregon is where the occupy thugs first made azzholes of themselves. Get back under your rock and be ORE-GONE!

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  2. SAnnComment by SAnn
    July 18, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

    Try and explain to the ‘harridan’ Sally that her grandfather’s tax $$ helped pay for the roads, etc that she listed but she will never understand it with her ‘few’ brain cells because the liberal left thinking processes are skewered with less brain cells than the actual middle class person who pays taxes.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 9:28 pm

      It’s “fewer” brain cells not “less”. It’s the difference between plural and singular. Surely someone smart enough to mock Ms. Kohn’s lack of intelligence should know this.

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    • lindseyComment by lindsey
      July 19, 2012 @ 10:23 am

      Reply to SCOTTL: In reference to one of your post:

      I’ll pay for your contraception when you pay for my Ammunition.

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    • cxComment by genesal
      July 19, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

      It’s “fewer” brain cells not “less”

      I’m afraid the number might one or two in your case.

      The Harvard University Gazette::
      Aging Brains Lose Less Than Thought

      By William J. Cromie

      Gazette Staff

      It’s considered a dreaded inevitability of growing old — you lose thousands of brain cells every day. This idea has been a centerpiece of scientific dogma and popular lore for 40 years.

      Dictionary
      loss
         [laws, los] Show IPA
      noun

      3.
      an amount or number lost:

      less
      smaller in size, amount, degree, etc.; not so large, great, or much: less money; less speed.

      Nice try moron.

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  3. Phil WeingartComment by Phil Weingart
    July 18, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

    Thank you for pointing out that her grandfather paid for those services in taxes. Astonishingly, though I’ve read a dozen conservative denunciations of Obama’s comment regarding small business, you are the first to point this out.

    I’ve been posting the same comment about Obama’s nonsense everywhere I can, and I think it says everything that needs to be said:

    Every successful small business gives back to the community by providing desired goods and services at an acceptable price. Each also pays taxes, which is what pays for all those government services. Each business provides paychecks that feed the economy, from which additional taxes are paid. And all of the people involved in the small business are, presumably, good citizens.

    The Obama administration, by attempting to lay an additional burden on the business that they need to pay back in addition to all they already provide, is simply doing what tyrants do — tyrants of the political type, and tyrants of the emotional type. They attempt to create a permanent debt that can never be fulfilled. By doing so, they establish permanent control over whoever is the target.

    The truth is, the government owes the small business a debt of gratitude and respect, not the other way ’round.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 9:36 pm

      I think Ms Kohn simply meant to point out that the business owner is not directly paying for every service from which he or she benefits. It’s collectively paid for through taxes, which is Obama’s whole point. No one launches a successful business over the long term without benefiting from strong government institutions and the services they provide. Therefore, the right should stop whining so much about having to pay taxes. Now if you want to argue over how much, fine – that’s a good debate – but so much rhetoric from conservatives claims that government does nothing right and is a complete obstacle. If you really believe that, go to the many countries in Latin America and Sub-Saharan Africa which are practically lawless and see how far your individual initiative gets you.

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    • Peter NyikosComment by Peter Nyikos
      July 19, 2012 @ 7:42 am

      ScottL, in case you haven’t noticed, we live in a constitutional republic which has been doing very well by its people, including businesses, for over two centuries now. To give Obama a free pass just because he hasn’t taken us to the opposite extreme from “practically lawless” is to ignore the fact that the Constitution is in his way.

      The right isn’t whining so much about taxes per se as to where they go and do not go. They do NOT go to paying down the national debt — if Obama is re-elected it will be double what it was when he took office by the time he quits as President, at the rate he is going.

      They DO go to paying for top-of-the-line contraceptives for women who want them, with NO copay. If their employers call those “contraceptives” abortifacients because they cause a developing human not to implant, and hence are morally outraged by having to pay for the premiums for what they consider murder, tough. Obama has spoken through his stooge Sibelius, and the top honcho of ACOG will lie that the people who call them abortifacients are dishonest to do so. [He already did that in a letter to USA Today.] Meanwhile people with life-threatening conditions do have copays to worry about.

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    • Peter NyikosComment by Peter Nyikos
      July 19, 2012 @ 7:51 am

      One thing more, ScottL. The extra taxes do NOT go towards building a strong national defense. Over the next ten years the military budget will shrink by over a trillion dollars unless Obama gets the boot in November.

      But then, Obama has his priorities: women must get contraceptives that are wreaking havoc with fish and amphibian populations, free of all charge to them, even at the cost of national defense. Obama will doubtless counter, in his own mind if not publicly, that we have more than enough to defend ourselves — let the UN take care of the rest of the world.

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  4. scopemanComment by scopeman
    July 18, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

    That Reporter is a 100% Idiot if that`s the Case then why is The USSR Not No#1 In the World , The USSR Government was in Every Aspect of their Citizen`s Lives and look were The USSR is Now .They are NO MORE . On Top of that the American Tax Payer is Paying to Clean up the Communists Mess . Makes me Furious the Propaganda that flows from their Mouths. This is were they suggest we move to their Left . The Left Did Not Work Then and Will Not Work Now .

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  5. billsComment by bills
    July 18, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

    I am hoping it was published to show FoxNews viewers how deranged the left is and as a rallying cry to do what ever they can to stop the madness.

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      July 18, 2012 @ 3:34 pm

      Sorry, bills,

      That article and those boobs like Kohn and Beckel, are part of the ratings drive that has infected FOX, as well as all the other MSM outlets.

      They, (FOX) have this mistaken notion, that because they hire a few Liberal loons, (Juan Williams included) that all the Liberal Idiealogs will suddenly start watching FOX NEWS and that, will raise their ratings.

      On the contrary, all they are doing is irritating and angering their base listening audience, to a point, where they will switch off FOX and find another outlet. In the long run, this will lower their ratings.

      FOX executives just don’t seem to be able to grasp, that ABC, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN .. ad nausium, are the left wing reporters and FOX NEWS, is the fair and balanced part of all this. FOX doesn’t need, nor do its viewing audience want, a bunch of in-house Left Wing lunitics on staff.

      If we want to hear a steady stream of Left Wing spin drivel and Psycho-babble, we’ll watch an MSM station, not FOX NEWS.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

      Truthteller: Now that you mention it, I agree with you that Fox is getting too many liberals in an effort to remain “fair and balanced”. I can’t believe they didn’t give Jehmu Greene the boot after that crack she made to Tucker Carlson calling him one of “you bow-tying white boys”. I also don’t need to hear the opposing point of view from the likes of Kirstin Powers and Leslie Marshall as well as the ones you mentioned. I would rather Fox News just had all conservative commentators and admit to having a conservative bias rather than trying to disguise it.

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

      Even likeable Shepard Smith seems to follow some kind of Government story line.

      The whole thing about checking your computer with The Government, lest the net goes down for you, Mac or PC, made my motherboard smoke & sizzle. NOTHING on the Mac lineup, from Mac. Zip, nothing happened. I refused to do the “check in”.

      Then Shepard has gone on and on with BS about George Zimmerman. The latest is the bad actress saying that she was molested when she was 8 or so, by 8 or so Zimmerman. Laughable. Bizarre. Thanks Shep. He also has said some curious things about this case as have others on FOX.

      And of course, NO ONE dares try to vet the current guy that sits in the White House. Sean Hannity, to his credit has… and Bill O’Riley just needs to get rid of all of his guests, or get a mirror to talk to. Obviously, Bill has too much time on his hands as he is “writing” another book on the vein of Killing old Abe… . Thank goodness for bad ghost writers.

      Guess I will have to somehow get Michael Savage & Levin on the wireless… more often, much more often. Just where to stare into the speaker to see them…

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      July 18, 2012 @ 9:24 pm

      I don’t know, lwesson, I think O’Reilly’s a pretty good writer. I read part of Killing Lincoln as well as a mystery novel he wrote some time ago, and I liked them both a lot. I may not always agree with what he says, but I do admire his attempts to be objective about the issues.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 9:53 pm

      Good to see that “confirmation bias” is alive and well. Fox doesn’t hire liberals to bring in liberal viewers – that’s ridiculous. They do it so they can convince their audience that they’re watching “fair and balanced” news, even while it confirms all of their conservative biases. The liberals are few on Fox – the show “The Five” is a perfect example – one against four. They could at least have made it 2 to 3, but no – they understand just how fawning their audience is – all that’s needed is the slightest appearance of fairness. The fact that many of you can’t even tolerate the few liberals that are on Fox shows just how narrow-minded you are. Narrow-minded is actually putting it nicely. And unfortunately, Fox has been so successful at playing to its audience’s confirmation bias that now MSNBC has done just the same, if not worse. A true disgrace. Honest people know that all of these issues are complicated and determining causality in matters of politics, economics, and social science in general is very difficult. Humility is a virtue in short supply, unfortunately.

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    • ladydaiComment by ladydai
      July 18, 2012 @ 10:53 pm

      FOX news is paying too much attention to the left media accusing them of pro conservative bias. This has worked. I know those who do not watch FOX because they have listened to the main stream media saying FOX is far right.
      Shepard Smith is supposed to give the news not his opinions. This is what he should do since he is not very deep. He will spew off his opinions without knowing what he is talking about. It is obvious he is not a conservative.

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    • Peter NyikosComment by Peter Nyikos
      July 19, 2012 @ 8:01 am

      What do you mean, ScottL, that “now MSNBC has done just the same, if not worse”? Where do you get the “now” part? Can you ever point to a time when MSNBC had odds of four to one, liberals v. conservatives [not just in commentary but in "news" reports]? Can you even point to a time when it was as “balanced” as ten to one?

      And who did the balancing? True conservatives or middle-of-the-roaders, perceived as conservatives only because of the stunning contrast they gave with liberals? And I mean liberals of the sort that William F. Buckley, Jr. wrote about when he said:

      “Liberals do a great deal of talking about hearing other points of view, but it sometimes shocks them to learn that there are other points of view.”

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      July 19, 2012 @ 10:32 am

      ladydai, do you remember what Shep Smith said after Obama came out in support of gay marriage? Something to the effect of “Well it’s good to see the President’s views are now in the 21st Century” as if we all agreed with his snarky comment. You’re right, he’s definitely no conservative.

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  6. maryvannusComment by maryvannus
    July 18, 2012 @ 2:52 pm

    The lady is ignorant. As to why it made it to the FoxNews.com site…Well, they advertize being “Fair & Balanced”…sometimes too fair and balanced in my mind but it keeps them on the air and giving us the news that other media outlets won’t broadcast or post on their websites. The liberals are afraid of the truth. Class envy has taken over this country and especially the other news outlets. There have been calls to take Fox News Channel off the air because the liberals don’t like to hear the truth. What would we do without the Fox News Channel these days. The Marxist-Socialist governing style of this President would have literally “snuck up” on us before we knew what happened because it would not have been reported anywhere. Fox News does an outstanding job!

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 10:00 pm

      What was the Marxist/Socialist governing style of Obama? The compromise on all of the Bush tax cuts or dropping the public option from Obamacare because the senator from the state that hosts most of the largest insurance companies pressured him to do so? With Communists like these who needs Capitalists? Or maybe you’re referring to the $200 billion plus in tax cuts for the working poor, those going back to school, small businesses et cetera.

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    • Peter NyikosComment by Peter Nyikos
      July 19, 2012 @ 8:14 am

      Wow, ScottL, you certainly provide “balance” of the sort MSNBC provides against Fox news. Check out my replies to your whitewash of Ms Kohn that you did in reply to Phil Weingart, where I provide balance against your hero Obama. Stop pretending Obama only did good things, and maybe people here will start taking you more seriously.

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  7. cherlvComment by cherlv
    July 18, 2012 @ 2:53 pm

    This left-wing liberal “****” is a moron

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 10:55 pm

      clever and insightful retort

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  8. RightStuffComment by RightStuff
    July 18, 2012 @ 2:58 pm

    You think someone is sleeping over there at fox?

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  9. gilplynComment by gilplyn
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

    You have to consider the source. Sally Kohn is one of the extreme leftists that Fox hired recently. Her resume is one of affiliations with super liberal organizations and causes. It’s beyond me what Fox is doing hiring someone of her ilk. Someone thinks it’s part of their “fair and balanced” reporting, but in my opionion it’s part of Fox’s inexplicable shift to the left.

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  10. EHeasslerComment by EHeassler
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

    Sally Kohn: liberal idiot! She thinks that what comes from the government is free and according to her, the government gets its funding from the money fairy. Does she pay taxes, or does she just have “her people” do it for her. I’m not sure where this woman’s head is, but I can venture a really good guess.

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  11. The SentinelComment by The Sentinel
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

    Sally Kohn-head is a regular on Fox like Boob Beckel. Both are demoncrat party hacks. Thinking beings don’t read them. Fox keeps them on for “fair and balanced”. Something the LSM doesn’t bother about.

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  12. CribsterComment by Cribster
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:09 pm

    How cruel of his parents to name him Sally.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

      Ouch!

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    • chillakillaComment by chillakilla
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

      @Cribster — Are you one of the few guys in posession of a ‘gaydar’? It has been reported that the lady is, well…no lady! And as a lesbian her agenda is, of course, the Maobama-genda.
      And speaking of ‘gendas’ I believe neither is Maobama a gent. At least that is what Larry Sinclair, who traveled with him to Indonesia, says.

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  13. maggie49Comment by maggie49
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:13 pm

    Sally Kohn is pretty much a puppet for Obama. Most of the things she says are outrageous and 99% of the time she can’t say them with at straight face! AND after she states her case, which she does by talking over everyone else, she sits there with a stupid grin on her face. Too bad FOX tries so hard to be fair and balanced – we could certainly do without the likes of her and the rest of the liberals they have on air. Generally, they just run their mouths and don’t say anything normal people can make sense of.

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    • 1rhkmykalaComment by 1rhkmykala
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

      I am so tired of Fox taking up time trying to be “fair” in letting Libs like Sally Kohn on speaking this ****. A waste of time better spent in providing all of the truth about Hussein Obama. Must be afraid of HusseinO.

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  14. mvotano58Comment by mvotano58
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

    What’s the difference between a moron and a liberal…..a moron knows he’s a moron.

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  15. redheartComment by redheart
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

    She’s a left wing kook and incapable of a coherent thought that is not poisoned with Marxism.

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  16. passthewordComment by passtheword
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

    It always amazes me, when the left speaks of cutting taxes as if it will Cost the gov’t money. The gov’t doesn’t have money, they have our taxes.

    They always speak of the rich paying their fair share?

    One question, Who gets to determine what fair is???

    Fair is when everyone pays an equal amount. A man makes 50k and pays 10% in taxes which equals 5k. A man makes a million and pays the same rate which equals 100k. That is fair. He made 20X the other guy and pays 20X the taxes.

    He doesn’t pay 30% of his income simply because he has it and others want it. The graduated tax scale is robbery and a punishment for success.

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  17. Rhonda Renee AlbrechtComment by Rhonda Renee Albrecht
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

    Well, Ms. Kohn is just as clueless as Obama, obviously. She must’ve come from a recent graduate of our higher education system. I know that in the mid ’70s, when I graduated from high school, even, I received a better handle on how our republic worked than the recent pundits in MSM, et al. Even in college, I knew better than to fall for the liberalism that was taught!

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  18. ncbigmouthComment by ncbigmouth
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:29 pm

    Just another example of why FOX should drop the fair and balanced routine. Let these libtards go to MSNBC or one of
    the other alphabet networks. All those opinions do for the
    majority of their loyal viewers is enrage them. We watch for
    unfiltered true news and opinions we agree with. All the libs
    contribute is garbage. THROW OUT THE TRASH FOX!

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    • passthewordComment by passtheword
      July 18, 2012 @ 3:30 pm

      They can start with Sheppard Smith

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  19. techwreckComment by techwreck
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

    Rush was right, as usual, today on this issue.

    If infrastructure was the basis for success then 99.9% of the businesses would be successful because they all have a road in front of their business and all have access to government services like our super efficient Post Office.

    My comment on Obama is that anything he accomplished he owes to the private sector that generated the profits and wages to pay the taxes and the debts that allow us to have a bloated inefficient government.

    All of us have a hand in Obama’s failure for allowing an unqualified communist to become President, whether we voted for him or not because our Constitution gives that responsibility to “We the People”, not to political parties.

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  20. smericleComment by smericle
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:47 pm

    Well, I’m no liberal nor BHO supporter, but dissection appears to have been made with a machete where a scalpel was needed. Your quote: “Unreal. And in one sentence, it shows the liberal mindset… that government is somehow this kind, gracious, caring entity that exists on it’s own and has a stockpile of cash that it will bestow upon the good people of America. Come on!” seems way over the top and misses the authors point.

    I say “come on!” do you really think that liberals believe that money comes from nowhere? That’s like saying “because fiscal conservatives don’t support social programs they are all baby killers and haters american common good”. I personally don’t believe that to be the case, I have known a socially good republican, or two, in my life time.

    What I don’t see in modern politicians and subsequently in their two camps of supporters, is a sense of common decency and respect for one another and for the others perspective. I don’t believe for a second that the writer of the referenced article intended to slip one by us having us believe that the support structures, that make starting a business in American so easy, are provided at “no cost”.

    Everyone understands there are costs. Well perhaps some of the less educated in both parties might believe money falls from the sky. But, the vast majority of both parties understand that the money is appropriated from the people or the their companies via various taxation strategies.

    What happened to civility and understanding in American politics? Both parties are pushing and pushing, before long there will be no where left to push the constituents. I personally am ready for a return to common sense politics non-hyped, less ridiculous antics and some candidates willing to address the “real” issue with “real” strategy. Until then, it seems all we have is two parties each claiming to be more American in intent, and neither outlining solutions to our countries problems. I’m more scared for my children today than at any point in my life. I’m horrified Obama will likely win another term and I’m mortified that someone as weak as Romney can climb to the top of what was once my party. Where have all the leaders gone? And why can’t we get back to the business of solving problems?

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    • 49bobComment by 49bob
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

      How can you misunderstand this?

      But there were things that helped my grandfather’s business that he didn’t have to pay for. The roads trucks drove on to bring him products to sell. The court system that incorporated his business and protected the patents of what he sold. The police force that made it safe for people to shop there. The public schools that taught his employees how to read and do math, so my grandfather didn’t have to teach them.

      Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/17/obama-right-americans-cant-succeed-without-government/#ixzz210tG5tn6

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:43 pm

      It’s just a silly mistake. She should have written “didn’t have to pay for all by himself.” But her meaning is clear to those who aren’t so blinded by self righteousness and ideology. Just like it was clear what Mitt Romney meant when he said he likes to be able to fire people. His point was perfectly rational and then twisted unfairly. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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    • smericleComment by smericle
      July 18, 2012 @ 9:18 pm

      there is no misunderstanding, just taking a rational approach to what i read. not following the rest of the lynch mob to the town square for the daily slaughter of the sacrificial lamb.

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  21. jbdestinyComment by jbdestiny
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

    Her column is an even sloppier mess than you point out here.

    According to Ms. Kohn: “there were things that helped my grandfather’s business that he didn’t have to pay for” AND he “paid almost 50% of his income in taxes to help make sure that good public schools and safe streets and the things we all need to succeed in America would be available.”

    Grandpa was getting a free ride AND paying his fair share AND overtaxed.

    Grandfather was successful because he “built his business with his own two hands” AND because of “all of the stepping stones that poor and middle class families have historically relied on to help climb the ladder of prosperity.” I’m not sure how Medicare and Social Security help anyone build a successful business, but it seems to make sense to her…

    Another point: Walmart started as a small business by one man, just like your grandfather, Ms. Kohn. Maybe someone in your family should have devoted themselves to making it bigger, or even just keeping it around, instead of letting it dwindle away.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:38 pm

      It’s true! Sam Walton was abandoned in a field as soon as he was born, raised himself – crawled to water the first day and learned how to hunt before he was 6 months. He educated himself by only reading books that he himself wrote on paper made from trees he cut down with an ax forged by his own hands. When it came time to build a store, he was an expert in construction, electricity, plumbing etc – didn’t rely on any of those fools educated in public schools. When he decided to sell hundreds of products, he learned how to make each one – again by reading books he himself had written. These he would make when he wasn’t tending the cash register, keeping the books, and helping customers. Truly a remarkable man.

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  22. TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
    July 18, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

    Hey, all you posters out there, have ya noticed the low ratings all of us are getting. A Troll came over from Huffington or Moveon.org to put one star ratings on all of our posts. That lowers all the ratings, because they are averaged in.

    You are all doing great with your posts. You are getting to the Liberal Trolls with the truth, and they are retaliating.

    Keep up the great posts. When this happens, you know you are on the money, with your comments.

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      July 18, 2012 @ 6:03 pm

      As an addition to this post, I believe the Troll is called “Oregon Jeff.”

      This Troll shows up every so often and wastes a lot of time and space, contradicting every post and spouting Liberal, Left Wing drivel, as well as giving everybody that disagrees with him, a one-star rating.

      You have been exposed again, Jeff. Now you can crawl back under the rock, whense you came.

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    • smericleComment by smericle
      July 18, 2012 @ 9:19 pm

      i only give low ratings to low display of intellect.

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    • barbarossa03Comment by barbarossa03
      July 18, 2012 @ 10:00 pm

      So smericle I take it that means you are giving a lot of low ratings on these posts!

      Sorry, someone had to throw that out there

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    • smericleComment by smericle
      July 19, 2012 @ 2:53 pm

      no, just giving low ratings to the posts that make ridiculous assertions or that resort to name calling. If they cannot post with a meaningful statement void of name calling, then they are really not adding anything to the post thread and therefor have little value to anyone interested in sharing ideas or thoughts. I’ve actually given a few 5-star ratings to opinions contrary to my own opinion. I’m quite capable of appreciating counter opinions when they are stated with objective analysis (or even subjective and polite analysis). In my opinion, the name calling just means the person does not have anything meaningful to say or has no real analysis to support their statement.

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  23. RME KRNLComment by RME KRNL
    July 18, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

    I guess you can be so “fair and balanced” that you start to tip the other way.

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  24. SandraComment by Sandra
    July 18, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

    Fox News and Fox Business are two of my favorite stations. But Rupert Murdoch just supplies us with conservative commentaries because it makes him money, not because he agrees with us. And in the interest of staying “fair and balanced” we viewers choosing to watch the conservative programming, are also forced to listen to the brain dead opinions of the likes of Juan Williams, Chris Hahn, Bob Beckel, Sally Kohn, and the rest of the mantra spewing lefties. It just reinforces our belief that the Democrats are propagandized socialists or worse. Thank God for the mute button!

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:31 pm

      Has it occurred to you that the liberals are chosen by Fox, precisely because they are not particularly good at what they do? Hmmm….yes, let’s get a fat, mumbling former alcoholic who dies his hair beet red (Beckel) and an unattractive mannish looking lesbian (Kohn) to represent the “liberals”, make sure they are outnumbered in every debate, and then watch our audience congratulate themselves for being oh so smart that they don’t even have to listen to the leftists. You’re not as savvy a viewer as you think. But you’re right about one thing – Murdoch is laughing all the way to the bank.

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  25. sturdystewComment by sturdystew
    July 18, 2012 @ 4:23 pm

    Liberals have many things backwards.

    If there were no successful people creating wealth then the government would have very little money. Government doesn’t create wealth it just skims off the top of the wealth created by its citizens.

    We don’t have a problem with successful people paying too little income tax to the Feds. They pay essentially all of this tax. The problem is that 48% of the people pay none. They are the ones getting a free ride. They use the infrastructure, get education, live as well as the average person in other developed countries and vote for more taxes they don’t have to pay.

    We don’t have a problem with too little government revenue we have a problem with too much spending by a too powerful Government in DC. The only constraint on the liberals currently in power is how much they can borrow. They haven’t passed a budget so they don’t have to live with it like we do. As long as they can force a increase in the borrowing limit by threatening a government shut-down their spending is limitless. This results in colossal waste like $20 cupcakes for their meetings, $500 million given to their buddies in Solendra, lavish boondoggles to Las Vegas by federal bureaucrats, etc. etc…………..

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:22 pm

      You’re wrong that 48% of people aren’t contributing to education, infrastructure, etc. It’s only the services provided by the federal gov’t they’re not paying for – but many services (including and especially education) are largely funded by other revenue sources – like state income taxes, property taxes, etc. And the reason so many people don’t pay federal income tax is because they are poor. That, and the fact that Republicans as well as Democrats have passed and signed many tax breaks, like the earned income tax credit. Apparently Republicans no longer believe in tax breaks – at least not for the poor.

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    • sturdystewComment by sturdystew
      July 18, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

      I said they weren’t paying any “income tax to the feds”. I’m sorry I didn’t make that clear enough for you in my argument.

      However the President is constantly saying we need more federal taxes for “infrastructure”. So they obviously aren’t going to pay any of that cost.

      Your point, I think is that they do pay some taxes somewhere. Sure but they get a huge amount more back than they pay at all levels.

      I’m not interested in quibbling about who did what Republicans v Democrats especially . I was talking about the liberal mindset in my opinion.

      As to your statement, sure some are poor but most are not. They have air conditioning, color TVs, cell phones, acceptable housing etc. Poverty is a creation of liberal thinking. The variables that explain poverty best are amount of work, addiction and single mother households. So the best cure for poverty is work more than a average of 13 hours a week, avoid addicting drugs and use alcohol in moderation and only have sex with men that can help support your household.

      Its impossible to give tax breaks to people who don’t pay any. By the way I believe “revenue sources for government” are taxes. Again all of this is just my opinion based on my experience both in and out of poverty over my lifetime. My bottom line concern is the future of our great country, if the majority of the people are just along for the ride. Its even worse if they are also in charge as they have been lately.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 11:30 pm

      You are correct that I didn’t read your statement carefully enough. I apologize. Perhaps I can be forgiven because it is a very common conservative talking point that the bottom half pays “no taxes” period. But that’s not what you wrote and I’m sorry. That said, I think your “facts” are a bit questionable. Tax breaks can’t be given to people who don’t pay? You have it backwards. The federal tax system starts charging you 10% as soon as you make $10,000. But then the tax breaks and incentives start to kick in – the kind that most conservatives used to support. Child exemptions, education exemptions, et cetera. In fact much of the stimulus included expansion of these kinds of exemptions. You may think someone who has a cell phone can’t be poor – and I agree that we don’t have much abject poverty – but if you’re making minimum wage and need to rent an apartment, buy health insurance, drive to work (and therefore make a car payment and pay car insurance), pay all the payroll, state, and local taxes, and oh yeah, eat – how much federal income tax do you think you can afford? But not many people make minimum wage you’ll object – fine, but many do, and a lot of people make just a little bit more and then have to support children or elderly loved ones on top of that. Your solutions to poverty may be correct, but I’m not sure how taking even more money from the working poor is going to encourage that.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 11:36 pm

      Correction – I suppose one objection to what I wrote above is that the minimum wage earner can go on Medicaid instead of buying his own insurance. True enough -but there are millions of people out there who make just enough not to qualify.

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    • sturdystewComment by sturdystew
      July 19, 2012 @ 11:24 am

      I am not surprised that Republicans have voted to reduce taxes. My point is: stop already putting people into the no Fed. tax cart. If they can vote for adding taxes they should be impacted by those taxes at least a little. If they can’t afford to pay more taxes then don’t vote for them.

      Almost no households have to live on 40 hour a week minimum wages for long. The ones that do quickly earn more if they develop basic skills and avoid the addiction etc problems I mentioned above. If they don’t they should be motivated to improve not taken care of by the federal government.

      Do we need a basic safety net. Sure. But we should make it basic and we should get more for our dollars. Private charities get more bang for their buck. They are being pushed aside by the Feds. Americans are generous. Let them do more not the Feds.

      We improve by handling adversity. We should want everybody to improve. We should not facilitate their lack of progress.

      What a tiny number of Americans need is basic transportation not necessarily a car, they need basic health care not necessarily Obamacare insurance, they need living quarters not necessarily an apartment etc. etc.

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  26. middlegroundComment by middleground
    July 18, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

    When Murdock was attacked in Britain, I couldn’t help but wonder if our government through its bailout of British and European banks had reached out and demanded action to “balance” FOX and other Murdock enterprises. This is what dictators do and did in Europe during the late 30s as Frank Barnes of the New York Herald discovered when he was asked to leave certain countries.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

      So….why didn’t they do that here? Didn’t our government also bail out American banks? Kind of strange that we would demand a quid pro quo over there and not here. I’d keep working on this particular conspiracy theory.

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    • moonshineComment by moonshine
      July 18, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

      Our Government didn’t bail out American Banks. The American taxpayers paid that tab. That’s why they lost 40% of their wealth in the last two years, because of QE1 and QE2 which served to monitize the debt by printing money (inflation), which in turn devalued the dollar and our investments.
      What the OBAMA administration did was to use the wealth of Americans to bail out their cronies on Wall Street. Its a damn shame that more people don’t understand what actually happened to their wealth. Hopefully they will investigate the matter before its too late.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 11:16 pm

      Well, I don’t completely disagree, but obviously it’s unfair to just call them Obama’s cronies. The bailout started with Paulson and Bush. And Bernanke is a Bush appointee as well. I’m not saying it’s all Bush’s fault, but you do seem to be throwing it all on Obama.

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  27. Richard MoneyComment by Richard Money
    July 18, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

    How in the world can a supposedly educated person look at the facts and spout off such useless drivel. “Tax the rich, they have it. Gotta pay their fair share.” The typical liberal screams when anything to do with the budget comes up. Well let’s look at that. The top 400 Americans had a net worth of $1.53T in fiscal year 2011 according to Forbes magazine. The national debt as of this morning was almost $16T. This means if we confiscated all of the wealth of all of the top earners in the Forbes 400 TODAY and applied it directly to the debt, it wouldn’t even drop the debt by 10%. The problem isn’t too little revenue, it is too much spending. We are borrowing money from China to give back to them in the way of grants…this is madness.
    As for taxing the rich, let’s look at some real time numbers, shall we? According to the National Taxpayers Union, in 2009 the top 10% of earners paid over 70% of the country’s tax burden. The top 50% paid a staggering 97.74%, while almost half the country currently pays NOTHING at all in taxes. Fair share? Where’s their fair share?
    Finally, saying her grandfather didn’t have to pay for roads or police protection, schools or other infrastructure shows that she is woefully uneducated as to how our system of government functions. Those roads, schools, police forces and other infrastructures were built and maintained by TAXES, which she stated in her article that her grandfather willingly paid. He ABSOLUTELY paid for all of those things and more by taking from the profits of his business and handing the money to the government to provide those services and that infrastructure. Unfortunately, liberals have always had this vision of government as some cosmic fairy godmother with a magical money wand that bestows upon whomever it will money and other goods out of the kindness of its collective heart. Balderdash! The government has never given one dime to anyone that it did not TAKE from someone else. The government is not some never-ending cash register; in order to function, it must take money from the private sector, and only wisdom in how this money is taken and on what the money is spent will create the economic climate needed for this country to grow. Unfortunately, as has been proven in too many places to enumerate here, increased taxes do NOT result in increased government revenues; they never have and they never will. The “tax the rich” mantra is something all the liberals say to stir up class warfare and envy and cover up the fact that they are spending America into the danger of third-world status. Only by targeted budget cuts and wisdom in new spending can this runaway horse be bridled and put back on the path to sane economic principles. Trying to stir up class envy by claiming that businesses aren’t built by the people who pay for them is ludicrous and insulting to the many hard-working entrepreneurs who are holding up the American economy.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

      I agree that the “fair share” jargon is misleading and well, unfair. But your post has some serious errors in it. It is not true that nearly half the country paid nothing in taxes. They didn’t pay a specific tax – the federal income tax – but when you add local taxes, payroll taxes, utility taxes, sin taxes, etc. the bottom half actually pays a sizable chunk of their income in taxes as well. And the reason they don’t pay federal income tax is as much due to Republican policies as Democratic ones. Bush the 1st passed a big earned income tax credit before Clinton expanded it, for example. It’s pretty ironic that conservatives are now decrying the results of the tax breaks they voted for. It may be true that liberals are using class warfare by attacking the rich, but conservatives are using class warfare by spreading false information about the tax situation of the working poor.

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  28. reddaxxeComment by reddaxxe
    July 18, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

    So, Sally Kohn, what flavor koolaid do you prefer? all the things you listed (and so did obama) effect us all equally. roads, infrastructure, defense ect…..the only thing unequal is the tax rate. High or low, rich or poor, all of us should pay at the same percentage rate. that’s the websters definition of fair. applying to all equally.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 4:56 pm

      That’s still redistribution my friend. 10% of a million is a lot more than the 10% of $15,000 a minimum wage earner makes. And yet, like you say, the benefit is equal. So the rich pay more for same benefit as poor people. That’s a strange definition of “equality”. This is why the right’s attack on “redistribution” is nonsense. You couldn’t fund the Pentagon without a redistributive system. And every Republican candidate for at least a century has understood this (even though sometimes they like to pretend they don’t). The so called “Fair Tax” is probably closer to an “equal” system, though still not actually equal in any meaningful way. It still relies on the rich paying a lot more – it would fall apart if the rich decided to stop buying so many goods and thus stop contributing an unequal amount of tax money to the government coffers.

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    • reddaxxeComment by reddaxxe
      July 19, 2012 @ 7:32 am

      ScottL: redistribution my hairy appendages! a constant percentage across the board is the very definition of fair. I don’t much like income tax, it goes against my grain. but as a wage earner when I was in my teens, I worked 12 hours overtime one week, 13 hours OT the next week and the 12 hour OT check was larger by 5 bucks (and I was only making 6 bucks and hour at the time!) No sir, not fair at all.
      taking a larger percentage bite is stupid and stifles incentive. were taxes a flat percentage, redistribution would be what you did with the money (buying votes like a good little koolaid drinking ‘crat) not so much how you got it.
      better still: no income tax at all, and just tax purchases and land. that flushes out all the jack from the underground economy (pimps, ho’s, dope dealers, thieves, wiseguys ect…) and gives no penalty for thrift….

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  29. ScottLComment by ScottL
    July 18, 2012 @ 4:35 pm

    It is true that the grandfather in question paid taxes for those government services, but that is precisely Obama’s point. Those services don’t just appear out of nowhere, and yet they are essential. Liberals and conservatives can disagree on the amount of taxation necessary to provide what level of service, but no reasonable person can deny that reliable (and often expensive) government institutions are necessary for businesses to thrive. If you disagree, try going to Somalia to open your next store. In addressing this topic, Bill O’Reilly recently said that he built The Factor all by himself, and he never took a dime from government because he was educated in private schools. Nonsense – The Factor was built by many people – producers, writers, cameramen, researchers, makeup artists, etc – and many of them no doubt were educated in public schools. And even his private school benefited from public services – police, firefighters, utilities, etc. Furthermore, The Factor makes money by selling advertising contracts, which are only worth something because of a functioning legal system – more government. I could go on. Bill O’Reilly deserves lots of credit (and money) to be sure. But we should recognize the myth of the individual for what it is – a myth.

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    • moonshineComment by moonshine
      July 18, 2012 @ 6:11 pm

      I understand that you are related to Bob Beckel? What flavor of Kool Aid do you prefer? He like his straight up.
      In any case, the Factor and WalMart were built without government subsidies, created jobs in the USA (unlike GE), and in the case of the Factor provides a useful service to the general public. I hope Murdock make a fortune because FOX is the only source of unbiased media information available. ABC, NBC and CBS are biased liberals (i.e., Alinsky’s useful idiots) in the tank for OBAMA. You need to get a job and stop spending your valuable time attempting to defend these Socialists. Oh, maybe you can’t find one. Try the government sector, at present its the only growing sector in the economy.

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    • chillakillaComment by chillakilla
      July 18, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

      @ScottL — In regard to your reply to reddaxxe — You are certainly right that the more extracted from those who make more money, the more revenue the government gets. However, it is not the government’s right to do with that income as it pleases nor to squander it to follow a particular agenda.

      In theory at least, a supposedly ‘democratic’ government is there only to ‘administer’ the monies it collects, and [as opposed to the coercive actions of this so-called president], to execute the will of the people who fund it. This is why it’s called ‘an Administration,’ not a Kingship.

      Also, most people may not love paying their ‘fair share’ of taxes, but we do so fairly ungrudgingly because we understand that the services we enjoy do not come into being out of thin air. However, what ‘a fair share’ is, should neither be a moving target to suit the convenience of the people who wield power, nor should those who administer the funds we entrust them with dispose of them in a non-judicious manner, such as obama has done by treating them as though they were his own monetary preserve.

      This man has crassly and shamelessly showered his bundlers, the unions, his cronies, the tree-huggers, and several targeted minority, women and student groups, which he sees as beneficial to his re-election, with obscene munificence. He has acted like a tyrant, more akin to the French nobility prior to the French revolution, than as an employee of the American people, which he most certainly is.

      obama has squandered untold amounts of money on capricious and wasteful ‘green’ projects. And not content with that he now is intent on extorting more from the productive class, to buy the votes of those who will certainly elect him to get more.

      I am a business owner and I don’t object to paying. I, however, completely rebel at the idea of not only being extorted, but openly screwed!

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    • JDZComment by JDZ
      July 18, 2012 @ 10:42 pm

      Scottie my boy, you need to move to another country like Russia or Saudi Arabia or Dubai, etc, that has great highways and forms of infrastructure. Have you checked how many patents and advanced technology is developed in the middle east countries who all have government to provide services to their minions and help help them “succeed”. What makes this country different then all of the others? Do you think that that Ben Franklin, Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, Steve Jobs, or even the Wright Brothers really needed a huge government bureaucracy to develop their inventions? Do you think Henry Ford needed government help to develop the first auto production line? In many cases, the government is an impediment to entrepreneurs and private industry because of their intrusive mindset and beliefs that government is supposed to “oversee” our lives to make sure we do not “hurt” ourselves. The reason America has been the world leader in advanced technology of all varieties is because of the visionary geniuses we have been fortunate to have living in this country, not the government itself.

      The role of government has to be supportive and focused in the areas we need our government to oversee like national defense and the myriad of services like public education, law enforcement, public roads, and social safety nets. When the government begins to think it’s role is to run our lives and to nationalize our private sector through regulations and controlling policies, then it has lost its way.

      Entrepreneurs start the ball rolling by offering products or services someone needs or wants, not the other way around. Demand is created in many ways. Cell phones were invented and the demand for them was created by offering them to the public at reasonable costs. The same with HDTV and iPads which were not needed by anyone, but once they were designed and manufactured, the demand for them skyrocketed. In all cases, the product created the demand which raised the production levels which hired more people to produce and service the products, etc. that is how capitalism works.

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    • ScottLComment by ScottL
      July 18, 2012 @ 11:12 pm

      It’s funny you mention Jobs and Ford, because it’s my understanding that they did in fact credit government for their ability to succeed at such an extraordinary level – for Jobs it was the internet – first developed through government agencies, and for Ford, it was largely government built roads. Look, I’m not saying it’s impossible to invent anything important without government, but I am saying that to develop a successful business over the long term will require (or most often require) all sorts of services provided by government, including infrastructure, and educated workforce, a fair and efficient legal system, etc. I’ve lived in the third world where government is either too weak, or too corrupt (often because its workers aren’t paid much – think the Mexican police). We often take the services government provides for granted, which I think is Obama’s basic point. By the way, your reply seems to suggest that I think that more government automatically equals more success. Obviously not. It has to be good government – something you’re not going to find in Russia or Saudi Arabia. Government power, like corporate power can be abusive if it’s too great. Saudi Arabia, as I’m sure you know, only has to provide for its small elite because it has oil wealth, and can screw the rest of the country. Saudi Arabia is a good example of why without good government services, most of the population will wallow in poverty, even despite an abundance of natural resources. Why haven’t all those poor Saudi’s just worked hard and succeeded?

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  30. gutsywomanComment by gutsywoman
    July 18, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

    I have read all the comments , I see the frustration and anger that all of us are experiencing as we try to cope with the Communist in the Oval Office . That is our number one problem and we need to focus on how we are going to rid this once free country of this foreign puppet who is now the dictator of the United Sates ! That is where we are and we have to become united in order to accomplish our goal . Those are the facts. We have to face them and defeat this enemy who has been allowed to slither in to our White House while we were not keeping watch . He knew that we have all been focused on material things and frivolous stuff and he knew that many of our citizens are just plain stupid ! He has taken advantage of all of that and now sits and feels more confident with every passing day that he will be reelected and can finish the destruction of our Republic .I am ready to do whatever it takes to stop him .I hope we will all be ready to put a stop to this guy who hates our country .

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    • smericleComment by smericle
      July 19, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

      do you feel that romney would change anything substantial in the executive branch? do you think he would actively work to repeal obama-care? what else would he change? do you think he’ll reduce our deficit…? i have yet to hear any viable plan from his team regarding how they could actually cut the budget to get the reduction we need. to me romney is no better than obama or bush before him. none of them are willing to tell the tax payers that it’s gonna hurt for a while, but if we don’t make hard, painful cuts, our children’s futures are paved in unrecoverable debt.

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  31. chillakillaComment by chillakilla
    July 18, 2012 @ 5:05 pm

    Does anyone know if the following is fact? I heard that Geo. Sorea**s has bought into FOX.
    This would not surprise me since his habit is to burrow quietly into those properties he does not own outright in order to undermine or destroy them.
    If then he has some ownership of News Media we can expect to see more of Lezzie Kohn, party-hack Colmes, beached-whale Beckel, and thoroughly annoying gnat Juan Williams

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    • moonshineComment by moonshine
      July 18, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

      He is King George Soros, aka BHO’s puppet master, the evil one. He should be indicted for Sedition, but he is rich and powerful and therefore unaccountably above the law.
      I don’t know if this is the case, but it would explain some odd things happening at FOX lately. I understand Hannity is looking for a new job as well.The other personatities (Colmes-the stupid, Beckel-the drunk, and Williams-the idiot) would now be back in the lime light. God bless us.

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  32. moonshineComment by moonshine
    July 18, 2012 @ 5:12 pm

    Please note that all of these success stories are in the private sector, which pays the bills for this massive government bureaucracy which usually obstructs rather that assists in the creation of real wealth. In most cases, success was acheived in spite of government obstruction. We don’t support a government that rewards and underwrites bad behavior and penalizes success. If government would get out of the way, the economy would improve, jobs would be created, and prosperity would once again ensue. The less government interference the better, as they are only a drain on private sector resources. Keep your government regulators, and taxes, and do what your are supposed to – protect our borders and stop interfering in matters that do not involve or concern you.
    Obama’s real feelings were exposed by his comments, but he has no point. He is a big government control freek, that has no experience in the private sector, job creation or business in general. He is simply a ruthless, arrogant Socialist.

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  33. sasqwokComment by sasqwok
    July 18, 2012 @ 5:13 pm

    using this line of thinking I would say that that makes us all criminals. Do not drug dealers, drug smuglers, bank robbers, kidnappers and other criminals use the roads and things our taxes pay for? So we are assisting and enabling them in their criminal endevours Thus making US the tax payer and the government guilty of aiding and abetting

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  34. grannylakeComment by grannylake
    July 18, 2012 @ 5:53 pm

    The first time I listened to Sally Kohn, I was not only put-off by the context of her coments but repulsed by her dramatic diction and whiny voice.

    When I saw her speaking with her eye-rolling and exaggerated facial gesticulations, I thought she looked like a grotesque clown.

    I was sorely disappointed when the Fox News Channel hired her as a contributor. I understand their philosophy of “fair and balanced” but Kohn appears neither fair nor balanced.

    Her appearance on TV is enough to make me turn it off. To me she has no creditability and not worth one second of my time.

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  35. juanmotieComment by juanmotie
    July 18, 2012 @ 5:55 pm

    Fox news makes the claim of being “fair and balanced” and “we report, you decide.” Unfortunately Fox has slowly but surely departed for the dark side of liberal fascism.

    Meanwhile, Sally Korn is a symptom of the the disease infecting all MSM. Her column on foxnews.com is schizophrenic! In one paragraph she claims her granddad did not pay for public services then turns around in the very next graft and tells us grandad paid “almost 50% of his income in taxes…”. This is one of the finest examples of liberal stupidity one can find. Ms. Korn obviously has zero economic knowledge and zero common sense. The sad part is she is so sure that she is so much more intelligent than all of us scruffy Conservatives. Must be nice to have such a high opinion of yourself, Ms Korn!

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  36. joelinpdxComment by joelinpdx
    July 18, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

    Obviously for a lot of the people writing her, they have no interest in the “We Rport” part of Fox News. For myself, I’d rather hear what the left wingnuts have to say. It’s a bit difficult to argue effectively with the lunatics if you have no idea of what they believe…no matter how deluded it might be.

    I like “We Report, You Decide” becuase I have no trouble deciding. I don’t need a right wing version of BSNBC.

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      July 18, 2012 @ 9:18 pm

      If you want to hear what the “left wingnuts” have to say, listen to one of the alphabet networks. They provide a steady, non-stop, 24-7 stream of left wing spin drivel and omission of facts.

      Let FOX network report what is, in the news and not what the imposter in chief’s puppet master, George Soros, wants you to hear.

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  37. keiterchuckComment by keiterchuck
    July 18, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

    Sally Kohn has been drinking from Obama’s well, and smoking some of the same bud that he’s been hitting. These liberals just don’t get it. The government has no money of its own; what money they do have comes from us or it’s borrowed from China or anybody else that will loan it to us. WE ARE the government; all Obama & Co. do is mismanage. VOTE 11/06/2012. Make it V-O Day; purge Capitol Hill. Send the message; “This is the Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave; it is NOT the Land of Obama Says, and the Home of the Slaves. Pray for President Obama; Psalm 109:8.

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    • smericleComment by smericle
      July 19, 2012 @ 10:58 am

      I agree with one of your statements…. Let’s purge capital hill, all of them send and reps alike. None of them represent the people anymore. I’m tired of hearing people say, “my candidate is the lesser of two evils”. I’m ready for a candidate that I’m proud to stand up and say “this is my candidate, and I make no apologies for him”.

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  38. moonshineComment by moonshine
    July 18, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

    According to the National Taxpayers Union, in 2009, the top 10% of income earners paid 70.47% of federal income tax. The top 50% paid a staggering 97.75% of federal income tax.
    What does this mean? Since 49% of the population pays absolutely nothing, does it mean that the top 50% of the remaining 51% of the population (approx 25.5%) pays 97.75% of the taxes? Who then pays the other 2.25%? Since most of the top 50% taxpayers are in the private sector, the private sector is likewise paying a disproportionate share of the taxes as well. Does this seem fair and equitable to you? Do you think this is sustainable longterm? It seems that somebody is getting a free ride. Don’t forget – Tax Revenues from the Private Sector fund everthing! Government is a consumer and not a producer of wealth.

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  39. carlComment by carl
    July 18, 2012 @ 6:40 pm

    Being at various times of my life a small business owner, this subject, bantered about relentlessly lately, bothered me so much that I was on my way to Microsoft word to write my own article and submit it to a friend in the business. Thankfully, my fingers need not do the walking because this article finally covers the points everyone else has not expressed.
    Thank you Bob Eberle. Carl T Johnson, author of, hopefully,soon to be published book: The Fight For Conscious Human Life©

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    • Peter NyikosComment by Peter Nyikos
      July 19, 2012 @ 8:36 am

      Which article are you talking about, Kohn’s or Eberle’s? And what do you mean by “Conscious”? Do you load the word down with so much excess baggage that you create doubts in people’s minds that anyone is “conscious” by your standards until they are about two years old? That is a standard technique of abortion rights fanatics.

      I consequently avoid the term “conscious,” and also terms that are subject to the same abuse, like “sentient” and “aware” and (worst of all) “self-conscious/self-aware.” Instead I say that any developing human who has passed the state of complete oblivion, the state most atheists believe awaits us when we die, deserves to have its life legally protected except in the worst of hard cases.

      And I think there is a very good case for every normal human fetus (as opposed to embryo) to have the legal presumption that it has passed this stage. “Fetus” is the human embryologists’ term for any normally developing human past the 8-weeks-past-fertilization mark.

      This corresponds roughly to 10 weeks LMP, the cutoff point for elective abortion in Portugal and Turkey (and perhaps other countries that I don’t know about).

      If you agree with me on this, and explain that “this article” is the one Eberle wrote, I’ll be glad to give your comment five stars.

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  40. tomadsComment by tomads
    July 18, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

    Let’s see. The taxpayers pay for the infrastructure and services that Obama cites. And then he says we have to pay MORE because of the infrastructure and services provided by the government, that we already paid for…

    No wonder Hollywood loves Obama!

    He lives and breathes Hollywood accounting!

    Probably Enron & derivatives too.

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  41. ConstitutionalRepublicSupporterComment by ConstitutionalRepublicSupporter
    July 18, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

    It’s irritating to read comments concerning the ‘rich’ when the term is very subjective. Rich is most often defined as someone who has more money than you do.

    Government is NOT a wealth creator. It is always a wealth taker and a wealth spender.

    Jobs created by government are always paid for by taxes.
    Jobs created by the private sector are paid for by the profits of the business’ products or services.

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  42. bsstanComment by bsstan
    July 18, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

    Sally Kohn is a self absorbed liberal hack. I can’t see why she is on FOX NEWS. When she is on, I’m off! She acts like questions are below her, and carries on like an adolescent. Other than that her comment is typical of an average lib.

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  43. freedomfighterComment by freedomfighter
    July 18, 2012 @ 11:02 pm

    Which came first, the chicken or the egg?. That is basically what is the conversation in this forum.
    The Consumers do indeed, allow for workers to be hired by their purchases, however, where did the money come from which the consumer uses to buy the products which create jobs?. Yes, their wages. They were employed in a job to earn the money to pay for the goods.
    Who was the first employer?. Did a caveman decide that his work load was too large, and decide to give 5 pterodactyl eggs to another caveperson for doing some of those chores for him?. Or did a caveman decide he wanted to work, so he went to another caveman and said I will give you 2 Pterodactyl eggs if you will let me help you with your work load?.
    The consumer uses the money he earned from being a employee/worker, to purchase the goods from the markets who employ other people to work for them to produce the goods for the consumer to purchase.
    Neither could survive without the other, but in reality, it is the wealthy who own the businesses who actually do the hiring of the workers. The consumer does not literally hire them.
    The Government could not thrive without our taxes, but we could survive without this Government.

    TAKE OUT THE TRASH IN NOVEMBER

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    • smericleComment by smericle
      July 19, 2012 @ 10:50 am

      Well stated, I’m a firm believer that the beauty of capitalism in this country is the frantic of all parties involved. By definition capitalism is the equitable exchange of personal property (or service) from one party to another. Many conservatives must be reminded that capitalism is not the relentless pursuit of profit, particularly at ANY cost to humanity. that said, ask a comrade in some anarchist state how well capitalism works in the absence of government framework and subsequent laws. We all must understand that the differences in us is the very thing that creates the strongest fabric for the country.

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  44. Peter NyikosComment by Peter Nyikos
    July 19, 2012 @ 8:21 am

    Obama and Ms Kohn are both engaged in knocking down strawmen: the postions of the tiny percentage of people who are anarchists, or libertarians who cannot even tolerate public education, or welfare for genuine hard cases. But they make it sound like they are setting straight all the people in the Tea Party and most conservatives as well.

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  45. catmanComment by catman
    July 19, 2012 @ 8:27 am

    Obama has done more damage to America, and it’s foundations, than Russia did over a half of a century.

    Obama deserves the Stalin Award.

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    • smericleComment by smericle
      July 19, 2012 @ 10:37 am

      Interesting comment, exactly what did the soviet union (presumably what was implied by the term “russia”) do to destroy the foundation of america?

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  46. brightlightComment by brightlight
    July 19, 2012 @ 9:33 am

    Sally Kohn embraces every new mantra Obama puts out.Never an original thought of her own.She has fallen on the sword so many times for Obama her body ought to look like swiss cheese.
    There should be a standard at all media outlets that unless one can expound on any given subject without the mind numbing litany of party talking points and propaganda,that person will not be aired. It’s a hardship to listen to her.

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  47. peebodyComment by peebody
    July 19, 2012 @ 11:51 am

    A small quote from the article.

    But there were things that helped my grandfather’s business that he didn’t have to pay for…

    Then in the next paragraph…

    By grandfather was not rich, certainly not by today’s standards. But when Ronald Reagan was president, my grandfather paid almost 50% of his income in taxes…

    Which is it? Did he NOT pay for all those things that helped his business, or did he pay NEARLY HALF of his income to pay for all those things.

    The disconnect with these people is that they don’t realize that their Grandfather is the “rich” person that “needs to pay his fair share” in these fun little stories they tell.

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  48. Wolff BachnerComment by Wolff Bachner
    July 19, 2012 @ 11:57 am

    TO ALL THE LIBERALS OUT THERE ID LIKE TO REMIND THEM THAT THE COMPANY THAT GOT BILLIONS IN BAILOUT FUNDS; GENERAL MOTORS; IS NOW BUILDING SEVERAL PLANTS IN CHINA AND MOVING ITS ENTIRE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION TO CHINA. THATS HOW OBAMA AND HIS BUDDIES PAY AMERICA BACK; BY TAKING THEIR BUSINESS TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. A COUNTRY THAT IS TRYING TO DEMOLISH AMERICA.

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  49. Les ClementsComment by Les Clements
    July 19, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

    Steven Spielberg’s Yacht departs Ft Lauderdale, note Cayman Island registry, same place Mitt is criticized for keeping an account. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3twIloLrdVo&feature=player_embedded#!

    Steven Spielbergs yacht departs Ft Lauderdale. He has criticized Romney for having fully tax paid account in the Caymans while he hides millions in property taxes from his local government

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    • smericleComment by smericle
      July 19, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

      is spielberg running for office somewhere?

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  50. ken51Comment by ken51
    July 19, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

    Fox News has become more and more liberal these days, so much so that I seldom watch it save to catch Hannity in the evnening. They are only “fair and balanced” in comparison to other MSM news sources which tilt even more to the left. I just wish we had a TV news source that was as far to the right as CBS and NBC are to the left.

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    • Dean ThompsonComment by Dean Thompson
      July 20, 2012 @ 9:27 am

      That’s frikkin hilarious!

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