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A restaurant owner should be able to set his or her own promotions, ads, discounts, or incentives... right? Not according to one atheist who has filed a complaint against a family-owned restaurant because of the restaurant's Sunday promotion. What is the terrible offense? The restaurant offers a 10 percent discount on Sunday's to diners who bring in a church bulletin. Yes! This is for real!
As reported in the York Daily Record, "John Wolff, who is an atheist, filed the complaint with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission against Prudhomme's Lost Cajun Kitchen in Columbia."
Wolff said the practice discriminates against him because he does not attend church.
"I did this not out of spite, but out of a feeling against the prevailing self-righteousness that stems from religion, particularly in Lancaster County," said Wolff, a retired electrical engineer.
Sharon Prudhomme, one of the co-owners of the restaurant, said she is not discriminating because diners don't have to actually attend a church or synagogue service to get a bulletin. She said area religious leaders told her that anyone can walk in a religious building and obtain a bulletin, without attending services.
Prudhomme added that she has no intention of changing the discount program, which she created to bring more traffic into her restaurant on a traditionally slow day.
Prudhomme blasted the complaint, calling it "a waste." Good for her!
Todd Starnes notes in his post on Fox News, that according to Pennsylvania law, "a restaurant [is] classified as a public accomodation. As such, restaurants are not allowed to discriminate based on religion -- among other things."
This seems to imply that the law is on Wolff's side. But how can a "discount" be discrimination?
"What freaks me out is the state of Pennsylvania is basically agreeing with this guy," Prudhomme told Fox News Radio. "We're just a mom and pop. We're not some big chain like the Olive Garden."
Prudhomme said the trouble started in April of 2011 when she received the first of several letters from the Freedom From Religion Foundation. The FFRF is a Wisconsin-based organization of "more than 17,000 freethinkers, atheists, agnostics and skeptics," according to its website.
The FFRF demanded that she stop giving discounts to patrons who brought in a Sunday church bulletin.
So what's the solution? According to Starnes, "a representative from the state suggested that Prudhomme should compromise and sign an agreement that she would offer discounts to any civic organization in the town." This, of course, did not sit well with Prudhomme.
She wondered if their other discounts might be considered discriminatory -- like the one on Tuesday night - where kids under 12 get to eat free. Or what about the senior discount?
"Could someone under 65 complain?" she asked.
What really gets me is that according to Wolff, he discovered the discount on the restaurant's web site and stated, "It's not a big deal in itself and I have no animosity towards Prudhomme's, but I do bear a grudge against a religious right that seems to intrude on our civil rights."
So... it's "not a big deal" to Wolff, yet he's making it a very big deal, and there are organizations ready to step in and help him. Who is on the restaurant's side? The craziness has got to stop!
July 6, 2012 @ 2:16 pm
Kudos to tha
July 6, 2012 @ 5:27 pm
Big Question! What does John Wolfe (the complainant) do for a living? Does he own a business himself? Does he create jobs? Does he EARN an honest living? Does he contribute ANYTHING to society?
OR… does he subsist on taxpayer money? Does he sue working people for a living? Is he a leech and a burden to society?
July 6, 2012 @ 5:31 pm
This idiot has no intention of eating at this restaurant. His only intent is to cause trouble for the owner. That is what the Atheists do. It is just another nuisance lawsuit that the ACLU will jump on, threaten their own lawsuits and in general bankrupt these restaurant owners.
July 7, 2012 @ 9:07 am
D.E. -
I believe that one of the news stories stated that Mr. Wolff was 80 years old.
As Morgan said, this is just another nuisance lawsuit. Atheists not only hate God, they hate anyone who does something they don’t like and they have no compunctions about suing people and destroying livelihoods and businesses.
Personally, I hope that many people in Lancaster County who object to Mr. Wolff’s tactics go to that restaurant on Sunday afternoons, order meals and leave decent tips.
July 8, 2012 @ 11:34 am
That is what the Atheists do. – Comment by Morgan
Exactly, push their beliefs onto everyone else. Atheism is just as much a religion as any other, it is the belief there is no god
And who ever started the belief there can be no discrimination in America was an idiot and those who listen are fools
To have no discrimination in a restaurant would mean having only one table and one chair because to have two, one would be greater or lessor
July 6, 2012 @ 2:17 pm
Kudos to that restaurant.
July 6, 2012 @ 7:23 pm
I think this restaurant should also offer a day of free hot dogs to Muslims!
July 6, 2012 @ 2:20 pm
This is a restaurant that I would go to, If these atheists don’t like it there plenty of other restaurants to go out there.
July 7, 2012 @ 10:20 am
These professional deadbeats only want to destroy common decency
July 6, 2012 @ 2:34 pm
It would be discrimination if they charged more to those who didn’t bring in a church bulletin. Offering a discount is a way to bring in more traffic. Think of all the discounts offered out there today. I don’t feel discriminated against because I’m not: An AARP member, AAA member, 65 or older, Under 12, member of the military or veteran, etc etc etc…
July 6, 2012 @ 2:57 pm
By giving a discount to those that bring in a church bulletin, they *are* charging more for those that don’t.
Laws dictate that no one is to be discriminated against because of religion. None of the things you listed (member of an organization, age, military, etc.) are things that you’re protected against discrimination for. In this case, however, Wolff is being discriminated against for religion which is illegal.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:29 pm
They are not discriminating due to religion. They don’t require you are a member of any church. All they are asking is that you bring a bulletin, duh. Anyone can obtain a bulletin. A person does not have to be a member of the church to get a bulletin. Or as far as that goes, a person could even pick one from the trash. Wolff is just looking for a free handout.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:37 pm
You leave out important parts oj. Laws dictate no one be discriminated against age and yet restaurants are allowed to charge both children less (or free) and seniors less. Maybe in Oregon they have stupid laws but here in America restaurants are not subject to these laws *(just as the Boy Scouts are allowed to choose their leaders and who can join) so quit your trollin and get on rollin.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:37 pm
This is common marketing practices where restaurants purchase ad space on church bulletins to entice new/regular customers to come to their establishments. For smaller restaurants it is a cheaper option than say a paper ad or billboard.
I don’t know how this is discrimination, unless they charge above the listed price or refuse service if you do not have a bulletin.
Actually age discrimination is protected under anti-discrimination laws.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:34 pm
O.J.,
How about restaurants that advertise “kids eat free”? Is it discrimination not to give free food to everyone who walks through the door?
Bottom line, this is another liberal move to take away business owner’s rights. Amazingly, the plaintiffs NEVER have a business background. They do not create jobs or have any experience WORKING for a living.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:46 pm
Oregon jeff, Any Christian, Buddist, Hindu, etc etc, who came to eat there without bringing their respective would be pay the same as wolff-idiot would have to. And didn’t he even say it’s not that big of a deal? No big deal, but a lawsuit?? Really??? Feeling stupid yet????
July 6, 2012 @ 5:23 pm
jazurell,
Perhaps the guy doesn’t want to stop by a church to get a bulletin because he would burst into flames the moment he crossed the threshold.
This guy is an idiot who would, in one breath, demand you “Stop forcing your values on me!” and in the next breath demand that you adhere to his lack of values.
We once again see the tyranny of the minority at work.
It will not be by revolution, insurrection, or foreign invasion that this nation shall fall. Political correctness will take her to her knees without so much as a whimper.
July 6, 2012 @ 8:07 pm
Jeff, gay people complain that it is discrimination to disallow the term ‘marriage’ to be applied to their cohabitations. They say that they have as much right to marry as anyone else.
Actually, it’s true. Any gay guy in the country can marry any female who will have him. So, the right is still safely his.
Same with this atheist. He has the unfettered right to go find a church bulletin and get that discount.
Trouble is, he has never been in that restaurant … so he has no complaint.
July 7, 2012 @ 3:05 am
Getting a discount for bringing in a bulletin is no different than using any other type of coupon. You cannot get a coupon price at any restaurant or store without the coupon. Is that discrimination? No. That guy is just trying to stir up trouble and make a name for himself. Besides, atheism is an accepted, legal religion so let him attend a non god church and bring in a bulletin from it. Idiots like this should be fined for tying up courts with ridiculous, redundant, time wasting, moronic, nonsense garbage. Courts have actual cases to deal with. Restaurants here have that promotion all the time with the church bulletins; I suppose that guy will ruin it for everyone.
July 6, 2012 @ 2:40 pm
This guys is typical liberal atheist. He wants everyone to believe what he believes and if they don’t he’s sore about it and will make everyone aware of that. He knows he’s not going to heaven, but he better hope there is no hell because that will be his new home after this life.
July 6, 2012 @ 2:41 pm
They certainly won’t be discriminated against when they stand before GOD on judgement day. But it will be too late then.
July 6, 2012 @ 2:43 pm
That man is an old jerk, a troublemaker, who cares about his civil rights, someones civil rights are always going to be stepped on no matter what anyone does. They dnt want to use Jesus name in prayer because it may offend someone, not using Jesus name OFFENDS ME, so what are u going to do about that
July 6, 2012 @ 5:37 pm
There is an old adage that says….”You can’t give one person rights without first taking the rights of someone else” That is exactly what is going on here. If the state lawmakers back this Wolfe character, then the whole bunch should be thrown on their collective butts.
July 6, 2012 @ 2:45 pm
I betcha somebody is gonna spit in someone’s food for sure!
July 6, 2012 @ 3:14 pm
Betcha didn’t know that’s a felony in some States.
July 6, 2012 @ 5:18 pm
Interesting that you should mention that since my late pastor told us that happens and one of the reasons we should pray for our food.
Phil 4:6 Be anxious (stop worrying about anything) for nothing, but in everything (in all circumstances: prosperity and adversity) by means of prayer and supplication (requesting special needs for self) after thanksgivings let your requests be made known to God (let the things sought for be revealed in the presence of The God).
July 6, 2012 @ 2:46 pm
Well, He has the right to his opinion. What I don’t understand is why these smaaalll group of people are able to ruin so much for the majority of us. Appoints of Judges or voting in Judges that are of Liberal persuasion will continue to give them what they want. Freedom of speech is a double edge sword.
July 6, 2012 @ 5:40 pm
You can believe this and take it to the bank, that if the Atheist’s, free thinkers, Agnostics and others in this group had their way, they would close every church, synagogue, mosque, temple, monastery or any other house of worship and make this a completely Godless nation. We are not far from that now.
July 6, 2012 @ 2:48 pm
I am a Christian and I get the bulletin all the time from my Church that has discounts from certain establishments. If this guy or gal would go to church once in awhile, maybe they can get a discount too. Unfortunately, there is no way they can sue the establishment for this. There are other restaurants around there. Or they can just suck it up and pay the regular price without the discount. Their choice.
July 6, 2012 @ 2:48 pm
All of the Chick-Fil-A’s back home in Austin, Texas have been doing this exact same things for over 20 years…giving you a discount on Monday if you bring in your church bulletin from the Sunday day before…and no one’s ever bothered them about it. I wonder why that is?
July 6, 2012 @ 4:33 pm
Spring training baseball in Arizona Chick-Fil-A gave discounts if you showed your ticket stub for the game.So the ones who didn’t go to the game were discriminated against because they didn’t go to the game.
This case should be thrown out.
July 6, 2012 @ 6:06 pm
MDM, I’ve no idea why Chick-Fil-A hasn’t been bothered about that practice. Perhaps their turn is next.
Mudguy, offering deals to those that attend games isn’t discrimination as being a “game attender” isn’t a protected class.
July 7, 2012 @ 1:13 am
Oregon Jeff; I’m going to have to call “Male Bovine excrement” on you and your opinion. Why is that every backwards thinker in this nation thinks everyone else should think and believe the way they do, or get sued? You should change your screen name to “Jeff the Troll”
Everyone else, please don’t let this guy affect your opinion of the state of Oregon. Yes, we have a large number of libtards, but it is still a nice place to live.
July 8, 2012 @ 10:20 am
Hi tomwygle
He’s not going to change my opinion of Oregon. I live in Washington and I love Oregon, especially for it’s coastline. The state has done a marvelous job of keeping the coastline mostly natural with all the little parks along route 101. It’s a beautiful state.
July 8, 2012 @ 4:00 pm
I live in FL and all the Chik-Fil-As around me are closed on Sundays. Mondays are their discount days and there are coupons in the Sunday paper and I also get them in my mailbox. Many times the coupons say for a specific store only. In fact most restaurant coupons say they are for one particular store only. We also have discount books for our local high school that if you eat at a restaurant that paid for space in the book they will (and do) donate a certain percentage of each patron’s meal price to the school. And the list of ways to discount food is very long and creative I’m sure. This man needs to find his own discount and shut up. The courts in this country have a lot more crucial suits on their dockets than this foolish man’s silly complaint.
July 6, 2012 @ 2:52 pm
also – since when did a arbitrary discount at a restaurant become a “civil right”? i really hate how people throw that phrase around now a days to include anything they want or desire in their life. ANYTHING to some can be deemed a “civil right”…and that’s simply pure ignorance.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:22 pm
That’s because when they were children they were given everything they wanted and told how “special” they were with everything they did (even when they were wrong). So, they grow up to become adults who were used to getting their own way regardless of how it affected others….basically, the adult version of SPOILED BRATS.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:40 pm
O.J., The point is a business has the RIGHT to offer discounts or incentives as they choose. Businesses take all the risks. They invest their money in employees and overhead. They work hard and provide jobs. If they want to give free food to redheaded people only and risk alienating blondes and brunettes, that is their choice. The public will decide whether or not their restaurant will be a success.
July 6, 2012 @ 2:56 pm
What about freedom of speech and all that? It;s lawsuit abuse plain and simple. The madness has got to stop!
July 6, 2012 @ 3:01 pm
Posting a discount that excludes a group of people based on a protected status *is* a violation of a civil right. Posting a discount by a business owner is *not* free speech.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:41 pm
The discount doesn’t exclude anyone. Everyone is free to go to church or not.
It is not a civil right to get a discount at a restaurant.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:43 pm
You are a walking violation oj. So quit lying.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:48 pm
Hey, cjonson, it’s a civil right to not be discriminated against based on religion.
What if I ran a restaurant and said, “Anyone that says ‘God does not exist’ gets 25% off their meal at time of payment?” Would you say that’s ok?
How, genesal, am I a “walking violation”?
July 6, 2012 @ 4:33 pm
@ oj
so, if the discount applied to those who brought in a ticket stub from the zoo on Sundays, would that qualify as discrimination against those who didn’t attend the zoo? Get real, at some point you need to give these people a proverbial kick in the a** by rejecting these claims and send them home crying to their mommies.
July 6, 2012 @ 5:30 pm
A walking liar who doesn’t know anything about the law.
Trolling is a violation and not unprotected by the Constitution of these United States.
trolling
Being a p**** on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it’s the internet and, hey, you can.
Example below.
July 6, 2012 @ 5:48 pm
Oregon Jeff. Where is this going to stop. Is some fool going to sue businesses because they provide designated parking places close to the entrance for handicapped people? I mean after all, if you are not handicapped and then you can’t use those parking spots.
My bank has a sign near the teller windows that handicapped persons can go to the head of the line. Perhaps some nut should sue the bank because that’s discrimination, the handicapped have a right he doesn’t have
So just because this idiot chooses to not attend a church and get a bulletin, which if he stood outside a church and ask someone for theirs, he thinks he is being discriminated against. What a load of horse pucky.
July 7, 2012 @ 10:37 am
To Oregon Jeff; No one would give a hoot about your offer to give them 25% off if they would deny the existence of God. What would happen is that your place of business would fail because there are many more believers in this country than there are non-believers. To prove your point you should pony up and buy or begin your very own business.
July 7, 2012 @ 3:24 pm
@Oregon Jeff
“What if I ran a restaurant and said, “Anyone that says ‘God does not exist’ gets 25% off their meal at time of payment?” Would you say that’s ok?”
MY answer to your question is simple. Because I would be offended by your giving a 25% discount only to sworn infidels, I simply would not waste my time and money by either eating at your restaurant OR suing you.
July 8, 2012 @ 10:29 am
Oregon Jeff
If you opened a restaurant and gave 25% off to everyone that denied God, you’d go broke as all your atheist friends would take advantage of it just fot the discount.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:07 pm
Ole Johnny the SPOILED BRAT, just like ole barry his mentor,squeals like a SIX year old if he thinks he is being treated UNFAIR.. poor baby! What a USELESS piece of human refuse, like a SPOILED BRAT runs to TATTLE on somebody because he is being treated UNFAIR! DESPICABLE! Electrical engineer, Yea Right, I doubt this Idiot could make it out of Kindergarten, he was proabably spending MORE time TATTLING on his classmates like the COWARD he is, than studying! GROW UP johnny boy!
July 6, 2012 @ 4:13 pm
Those are some super kind words there. You learn to say those kinds of things in church?
July 7, 2012 @ 10:52 am
To OJ; When did you discover that there is no God? What bright light bulb went on in the darkness of your mind? I would ask when did you have this epiphany but that might offend your atheist sensibilities.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:13 pm
I’d like to know who is paying for the lawsuit.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:16 pm
Probably the FFRF.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:44 pm
OregonJeff will
July 6, 2012 @ 3:15 pm
…And what about coupons that offer a discount to someone who brings one in? So are they discriminating against those without a coupon by charging full price if you don’t have one? Or a coupon that expired? Can’t the church bulletin be considered a “coupon” under such circumstances? “No purchase necessary!” Show up, take a bulletin, go and eat at a discount. Get a newspaper, cut out a coupon, go and eat at a discount. Join a club (AARP), go and eat at a discount. Seems simple enough for me. I’m over 55 but not an AARP member. No discount at Denny’s without an AARP membership card. Am I angry? Not at all. No Card, no Discount. Simple enough.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:16 pm
What a crock! The restaurant discovered a way to improve traffic on Sundays by catering to people who were typically on the roadways during meal hours on Sundays. Since church-goers usually leave church somewhere between 11:30 AM and 1 PM for morning services and usually between 7:30 PM and 8 PM for night services, the discount makes tremendous sense demographically. Notice that the restaurant does not require the person to actually ATTEND the service, only that they have a church bulletin. This is no different that a bar that is across the street from a construction site giving a 10% discount to any construction worker that can show they worked on the site. In fact, it’s even less restrictive because no one actually has to attend a church to get the discount. Wolff’s contention that the “religious right” intrudes on his civil rights is ludicrous. How is a restaurant discount a “civil right?” He says it’s no big deal to him and he bears no grudge against Prudhomme’s, yet he files a useless lawsuit which is intended to harass them out of a policy that helps them generate revenue on slow days, which is exactly what marketing is intended to do. This is yet another case of a very small man who is drunk on his own self-importance and can’t help but demonstrate his smallness to the world. My dad used to call it “little dog” syndrome. The little dog has to yip and yap all the time so they don’t get stepped on. The big dog doesn’t have to make a lot of noise; everyone knows he’s there. Mr. Wolff acts nothing like his surname, but more like a little mutt yapping at your heels so you don’t accidentally punt him into next month.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:20 pm
How about the Atheists just not patronize the restaurant….and all the God fearing people can eat in peace! Why is it that everything always has to come down to lawyers….
July 6, 2012 @ 3:20 pm
A retired pin-head who has nothing better to do then harass a family trying to make a living,unfortunately we have a corrupt judiciary who will probably side with this dumb a$$. He knows he doesn,t have to eat there he,s just causing trouble,to you sir why don,t you go and spend time with similar trash like ovomit and leave these people alone.
July 6, 2012 @ 5:56 pm
Right on the money, Joespenthouse.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:21 pm
So,sick of this group.I myself am without faith. These same idiots wanted to sue over a cross at the 911 memorial.They claimed they were not represented in the memorial and not all people are of Christian faith….Well as a kid to get a rise you almost brag.i don’t belive in god..As we grow older we understand that it’s evryones right to have faith or not..What i know is we ATHEIST have no belief..So what do they want to represent us and our lack of belief..it’s dumb please excuse these idiots..If they want a picture of a monkey on their mantel.more power to them.But don’t dispairage thos who have faith..After all. There are i think 63 versions of the bible.So they have enough arguing among their faiths in God Or a Jesus.they don’t need the views of NON BELIEVERS. Having a opinion..just silly.Same people that sue McDs for being fat I assume.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:40 pm
Find another restaurant, moron. Are you saying they should cater to just you and no one else? Maybe the people that go there would be offended by you coming into the restaurant.
July 6, 2012 @ 5:59 pm
Perhaps all the church going folk should witness to this guy when he comes in, hand him Gospel tracks, say a prayer over him, tell him they love him in Jesus Name.
If he’s a true atheist, he would run for the hills.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:43 pm
If I had the ingredients I would make Mr. Wolfe the BEST berry/Small Pox pie he’s ever had!
July 6, 2012 @ 3:47 pm
“I did this not out of spite, but out of a feeling against the prevailing self-righteousness that stems from religion, particularly in Lancaster County,” said Wolff, a retired electrical engineer.
Really Mr. Wolff? Seems to me the self-righteousness in this case is stemming from atheism, not religion. The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from it, although if that is your choice, you are certainly free to follow that path. It would be nice, Mr. Wolff, if you granted others the same courtesy of allowing them to believe as they see fit.
July 6, 2012 @ 6:01 pm
“the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from it”
The FFRF does not care what the Constitution says as long as they get their own way.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:50 pm
Oregon Jeff. It is free speech to offer a discount, just because some lefty from the new left coast doesn’t like it doesn’t make it so. The restaraunt is not charging the poor little athiest “more” they are charging people who come in with a church bulletin less. There is a difference though most lefty’s can’t understand it, as they consider all money theirs and the governments.
July 7, 2012 @ 1:33 pm
All poor ‘Wolfie’ has to do is bring in a bulletin from his atheist church/organization, get his discount, shut up and eat.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:51 pm
Atheist is code for homosexual if a cross/religion is involved. Have the restaurant owner hang a rainbow flag outside the door and the lawsuit will disappear.
July 6, 2012 @ 3:52 pm
these people need to leave stuff along that is not hurting anybody I believe in God but do not go to church that much so I would not get discount big deal these people need to get acts together and realize there is alot more stuff to complain about in this world than a little discount to church goers look at the way our country is going down the toilet complain about that
July 6, 2012 @ 3:52 pm
In interesting thing here is that a state representative suggested that the restaurant compromise by offering discounts to any civic organization in town.
That is interesting because it indicates how government people view the churches : as being just more civic organizations.
This reveals the minuscule Christian testimony of the churches in general, that government people think they are just like the Boys Club, Girls Club, KIWANIS, etc.
True, some organizations that call themselves churches are NOT AT ALL any thing else than worldly civic clubs, with no Divine mandate in the world.
But biblical churches are not “civic organization” any more than the U.S. Embassy in Beijing is a Chinese civic club.
July 6, 2012 @ 6:04 pm
“So what’s the solution? According to Starnes, “a representative from the state suggested that Prudhomme should compromise and sign an agreement that she would offer discounts to any civic organization in the town.”
I was just going to make that point. In stead of leaving this family alone to run their business as they see fit, the City says they should cave in to this Wolfe character and let him have is way. Good grief. If this was a Muslim family running this restaurant would they dare make such a request?
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July 6, 2012 @ 3:55 pm
It really boils down to the definition of “public accomodation” under Pennsylvania law. The spirit of anti-discriminatory law ought to be about public (taxpayer funded) versus private emterprise. The restaurant is private property, using private assets, even though it is open to the general public. It should be allowed to choose to whom it sells and at what price it sells. The customers are not forced to buy–they are free to go somewhere else, or go nowhere at all.
I contend that there is no Constitutional right to anything (civil or otherwise) that, as a result of that right, requires someone else to give up some of their rights, or that requires someone else to produce something. This is why certain of our laws (especially laws based on affirmative action) are so disliked. Everyone knows in their hearts that no one should have right to someone else’s property–but that is what happens with re-distribution through taxation; that is what happens when businesses are forced to cover high-risk patients with healthcare insurance; that is what happens when the government forces us to buy something we don’t want.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:22 pm
Congratulations! You managed to include at least a dozen nonsense Rightwing talking points in one post. You get a gold star.
If I had a store and hung a sign in the window that said “We won’t serve you if you’re a Teavangelical”, how long do you think it’d be before someone raised an undeserved stink, threw a rock through a window, sent me and my family death threats, etc?
July 6, 2012 @ 6:08 pm
Apples and oranges, Oregon Jeff. Do you want some Cheese with your whine” Many stores have signs in the windows that say “no shirt, no shoes, no service” Other places have signs that say “we have the right to refuse service to anyone”
Get over yourself. Wolfe is idiot just trying to make trouble.
July 8, 2012 @ 10:37 am
OregonJeff says…If I had a store and hung a sign in the window that said “We won’t serve you if you’re a Teavangelical”, how long do you think it’d be before someone raised an undeserved stink, threw a rock through a window, sent me and my family death threats, etc?”
It would never happen OJ. Evangelicals are not mean spirited and hateful like the atheists appear to be. They might think you are a little strange, but they would never sue you, or make death threats or any other such thing. Your question just proves to me that Atheists are just the opposite.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:01 pm
This is no different that giving Senior Discount..If it was my Resturant, I’d do the same for my Church..You just can’t fix Stupid!
July 6, 2012 @ 4:11 pm
I am so sick of people who can’t stand the cheeks of their own backsides rubbing together. There is no law in this country that says you have a right NEVER to be offended. This JERK wants to throw away money on a suit, go for it. A private business can do as they wish whenever they wish as far as I’m concerned and if I don’t like it I will simply patronize another place.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:11 pm
I’ve not had the opportunity to visit this establishment yet but bet your pituti we’ll spend our money there now! Wondering can I get reservations???I know they’ll be busy.
July 6, 2012 @ 7:44 pm
As you are apparently in the area, may I suggest.
Church bulletins are printed in advance, so mail him one.
From a hundred Churches, maybe??????????
Then he may use one so he is not slighted. “IF” he decides to go to the restaurant.
Talk about an outreach.
July 7, 2012 @ 1:38 pm
Actually, bgintn, I was thinking that a bunch of Christians should commit to mailing Mr. Wolff a tract every single month at his home address.
But then again, some could mail his their church bulletins from all over the country.
Anyone got the address?
July 6, 2012 @ 4:13 pm
I am not a beliver but if I wanted the discount I wouldn’t have to stress my imagination over much to obtain a church bulletin. I hope the aclu spends half of their budget on this once they poke into it. Btw, I’m not an ffrfer.
July 6, 2012 @ 6:11 pm
The trouble is, kilemal, that when the ACLU gets involved they have so much money and so many lawyers, they can file all sorts of lawsuits, drag these people into court and probably bankrupt them with the cost of defense.
This is a case for http://www.aclj.org
July 6, 2012 @ 6:15 pm
Or for the Liberty Counsel
http://www.lc.org/
July 8, 2012 @ 10:41 am
Right genesal…The Liberty counsel is another good advocate in this kind of situation.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:14 pm
They do the same thing for voters on election day. What’s the difference?
July 6, 2012 @ 4:15 pm
This is another case of a liberal wanting everyone to do things His way and then crying to “Mommy”(government) when Little Johnny doesn’t get what he wants. This isn’t about this restaurant’s discount, it’s about using the courts and government to bully and beat down those with whom you disagree. It seems with people like him, tolerence is a one way street.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:22 pm
Poor baby, might have to pay regular price! He needs to find a heathen restaurant that offers a heathen discount…otherwise shut the **** up! Has he ever heard of “ladies night”? Senior citizen discounts? AARP, etc?
July 6, 2012 @ 4:25 pm
He states that he found out about the discount on the internet, not when he visited the restaurant. So how, exactly, was he harmed?
July 6, 2012 @ 4:43 pm
He was injured at birth, only got half his allotment of brain cells….
July 6, 2012 @ 5:14 pm
He must have “stumbled” upon it while he was surfing Internet porn. The man is a troll with no life to speak of, so why not ruin another persons life/livelihood? Must not get enough from SSI, so he figures a lawsuit will help support his lonely and bitter life.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:30 pm
Only an idiot would support this complaint. I would definitely support this restaurant with a promotion like this.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:32 pm
If Wolff doesn’t believe in God and there is none then why is he offended or worried? He is showing that he is scared there might be a God and he will miss out.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:36 pm
So do they sue restaurants that give seniors a discount, vets a discount, police officers a discountm mons on mothers day, children on thursdays etc. do they sue stores that have sales on women’s shoes but not men’s, places that let children in for half price. I doubt it.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:37 pm
Atheists are just mean people. One could almost say that they are demon-possessed.
The owner should offer a discount to any atheist who has the recipe for the primordial stew that the athiest claims as ancestor…
Otherwise the atheist is just a man of blind faith pretending to be a scientist…
Hypocrites should pay full price, if not a surcharge…
July 6, 2012 @ 4:41 pm
Self righteous religious? I guarantee if an Atheist only restaurant had an offer, you wouldn’t hear a peep. A christian would either keep his mouth shut, or find a decent eatery. I for one, am sick of the godless halfwits….
July 6, 2012 @ 4:42 pm
So an organization that gives ONLY AARP members and not other senior citizens a discount is discriminating politically against those who prize freedom enough not to ever join AARP – the socialist arm of seniors.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:42 pm
I hope ALL of the Churches Members go to this Restaurant…and make it the hotspot in town everyday of the week! The other restaurants in the area should refuse to serve this man and his group or they might be the next ones to get sued!
July 6, 2012 @ 4:44 pm
So if I go into a restaurant with a coupon giving me $10 off of an entree that must be discrimination too. All of the companies that give out coupons for their products are discriminating against someone who doesn’t have a coupon. Gee< I have just set a presedent.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:54 pm
If everyone has been paying close attention, as of late, the Government/Supreme Court has been slowly stripping away our rights. Obamacare, etc. As it stands, you only have to be one or two voices complaining about something (anything) that really DOESN’T effect your life, and you out-rule the majority. As for religion, same thing. We have a country founded with the word “God”, used quite often. We have our money being printed with the words “In God We Trust.” Yet, children can’t pray in AMERICAN schools, using the word “God?” But a Muslim can pray to “their” version of God and it’s allowed? The courts have entirely TOOOOO much say in our constitutional rights and need to back off. Mark my words, America will riot/revolt and it won’t be pretty. I fought in the military (10th SF Group/Airborne) for “God and Country.” But idiots like our “Commander-in-Chief” want to strip that from us. America made the mistake (meaning the Government) of opening our doors to “ANYONE” and we are paying the price. “Give us your hungry and poor,” etc.. Well, we got just that and we wonder why we are financially broke? This atheist probably doesn’t even eat at this restaurant, yet has to have something to cry about. He just sounds like a lonely, bored, bitter old man. Get a life and let others live theirs. Oh, and find another restaurant to eat at. By the way, for dessert, have a piece of Devils Food cake.
July 6, 2012 @ 5:00 pm
Our country isn’t founded “with the word ‘god’”.
Our money wasn’t printed with “in god we trust” until the 1950′s.
Children are welcome to pray in schools (in fact, many do, probably mostly before tests) so long as they’re not creating a disruption while doing it.
July 6, 2012 @ 6:08 pm
If Oregon Jeff bothers to read the Declaration of Independence, he might discover that indeed, we Americans derive our rights from the Great God.
Our Founding Fathers prayed all the way through the Revolution and the Civil War, Patriot & Tory, Reb & Union…
And perhaps before every attempted begat…
These rights extend to everyone, including atheists, who are more to be pitied for failing to get the great “secret”:
Yes, there is a Great God…
But only some of us suspect his presence…
Others have no clue even how to fathom His Presence…
Like Steven Hawking, whom the Great God must love, because He has removed almost all the distractions, yet he still does not see…
July 6, 2012 @ 6:16 pm
OJ your point has no point.
July 6, 2012 @ 7:45 pm
OJ, you need to read The Declaration of Independence a little closer; and I quote:
“Attest William Jackson Secretary
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,”
Now, did you catch the part, “in the Year of our LORD?” You post a lot throughout this article, but you lack your homework being done.
PS. I didn’t say WHEN our Government began printing money stating, “In God We Trust”, now did I? No, you only “assumed” it. Fact remains, it is STILL on our money and yet the rights of “Freedom of Religion” are being stripped. Our Government is being hypocritical. A double standard.
July 7, 2012 @ 11:27 am
To OJ;
Quoting from the Declaration of Independence;
” When in the course of human events……..and to assume the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God”
“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator….”
“We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world…..”
Three separate and distinct entries referring to God.
Muslim children in public schools are allowed to pray to their choice of God [Allah] which does disrupt the school day.
July 7, 2012 @ 12:12 pm
Another point to bring up about our rights (and a student/teacher relationship with God) being stripped is as follows in this question and answer:
“Student: Is it illegal for public schools to have a Christian themed Christmas program at school?
Schools may not celebrate religious holidays, but they may teach about them as they normally arise in the curriculum. So long as the entire yearlong curriculum is balanced with regard to religions, any religion may be taught to provide a complete and well-rounded education. Teachers may use artifacts, photos, and symbols to teach about the various religions and their holidays only for the limited time those are being discussed in the classroom. Religious decorations should not be displayed without an academic purpose. Many school districts have specific regulations about this, and those regulations should be consulted for guidance.”
So I put forth; do any of us recall the day of going to our child’s Christmas play, where he or she were in a play about the birth of baby Jesus? Now, that is no longer allowed? It would be “celebrating” an idea and “offending” those of a different religion. Once again, the minority of people with a different belief, open their yaps, whine a little and outweigh the voices of the majority. THAT, my friends, is wrong and why, be it from someone of a different religion, or that belief by an atheist, should have NO MORE PRECEDENCE than any other belief. If you want to have a Muslim play, fine. Just don’t expect me to show up. I don’t ask for those who think differently than myself, to believe my idea over theirs. No, only to allow me to express myself FREELY. Those rights are slowly being changed or stripped away, altogether.
July 7, 2012 @ 1:34 pm
I agree. I read the original article back last year. Here’s the link
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111207095853AAKAhRd
It gets crazy when colors and secular symbols are also considered “religion”.
July 6, 2012 @ 4:56 pm
Please tell me how this is any different than the restaurants in my area that allow a discount when you show a movie ticket stub?
If this is going to be a new law, I think I our country is totally lost it. Well at least the Liberals/Progressives in this country! Why don’t they go and live in Russia
July 6, 2012 @ 5:02 pm
Atheists would most likely find the Great God in Russia…
or in a foxhole
July 6, 2012 @ 5:17 pm
A dollar to a donut he’s a gay atheist.
July 6, 2012 @ 5:21 pm
Actually, this is called PRICE DISCRIMINATION … and it’s quite legal. You see “kids under 12 half price” or “senior discount” everywhere. Is this age discrimination? According to the law, NO. What about “Ladies night” at the bar? Again, not sex discrimination but PRICE discrimination. Believe it or not, it is LEGAL to vary price for almost anything including the stuff you imagine to be illegal such as race. For example, it is legal to offer a meal for $10 to white people, $8 to blacks, $6 to hispanics and free for native Indians. Same thing with the church bulletin discount. In fact, they could charge double to atheists and still be legal. I say “screw ‘em” if they don’t like it.
July 6, 2012 @ 11:09 pm
What about discounts at stores, i.e., coupons? Are they going to let folks scream and shout if they don’t get/pay for the paper where the coupons are made available to shoppers? When does this madness stop? What about the ‘codes’ they put on the internet for Redbox discounts or ‘free samples’ on certain magazines. Are they going to say they are being discriminated against for not having a computer? He probably loves that places like ‘Chick Fil-A’ is not open on Sunday yet does a wonderful job of connecting with people. I just shake my head & again say, when will the madness stop!?
July 6, 2012 @ 5:24 pm
I am affended that Atheist exist and try to force people to thing and do things their way. Live and let live is totally Biblical and can give a lot of peace to all.