Last Updated:October 1 @ 07:56 am

You can pray... just not to Jesus

By Bobby Eberle

There is a crack down going on in one North Carolina police department. Have patrols been stepped up? No. Are gangs being disbanded? No. Are the cops getting tough on crime? No. However, what is changing is that volunteer chaplains in the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department (CMPD) will no longer be able to invoke the name "Jesus" when they pray, and it has some people up in arms.

As reported by WSOC TV 9, "chaplains have been told that they cannot invoke the name of Jesus in prayers at public events."

"When I heard this I was sad," said Pastor Terry Sartain, who has been a chaplain with CMPD for seven years.

Sartain said he learned of the policy when he got a phone call before a recent promotion ceremony saying he could not use Jesus' name in his invocation.

"I asked if I could withdraw, because Jesus is the only thing I have to bless people with," Sartain said.

Of course, one person interviewed for the news story, an ACLU member named Jim Gronquist, said the policy was long overdue.

"It's improper to mix up religion with the function of state agents, and as long as they're state agents, they should not be able to do that," Gronquist said.

These officers should not be able to pray to Jesus? Give me a break! This is America, right?

Todd Starnes with Fox News Radio interviewed Sartain, who said he has a "very real concern about where we are heading as a nation."

"I serve a God who loves people unconditionally, who died for their sins on the cross, who wants to reconcile himself to them and love them where they are at - and now I'm told I can't bless people as a result of that."

The police department said he could still pray - just not to Jesus.

So to whom was the Christian minister supposed to pray?

"That was my question," Sartain said. "If I'm going to pray - what should I pray?"

Sartain said he feels Christians are being targeted. I would have to agree. We see more and more incidents all the time where the only "objectionable" material or actions are those of Christians.

What do you think?

VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
Rate this post:
Rating: 9.5/10 (308 votes cast)
You can pray... just not to Jesus, 9.5 out of 10 based on 308 ratings





Don't leave yet! Add a comment below or check out these other great stories:

76 Comments

  1. billwvComment by billwv
    June 21, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

    Oh yeah, you can pray to the Father all you want and you can opine and supplicate to your heart’s content BUT unless you ask in Jesus name then a prayer is a prayer is a prayer. His name must be invoked for the Father to answer and grant the petition AND unless the prayer is prayed in His name; it is doubtful that the Holy Ghost would even carry it into the Father’s presence.

    Soooooo, quit praying in Jesus’ name BUT personally I want my prayers and supplications answered; so I’ll just ASK, SEEK, KNOCK in JESUS name.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.8/5 (80 votes cast)
    • denialatorComment by denialator
      June 21, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

      In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost…that should cover it.

      More than one way to skin a “cat” if you know what I mean.

      No King but Jesus. “In God We Trust” (It is not up for debate, or decided by any LEA flunkies from PD, SO or FBI.)

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.6/5 (61 votes cast)
    • xfdnymedicComment by xfdnymedic
      June 21, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

      When it comes time when we are called to court, we shouldn’t put our hands on the bible to swear to tell the truth so help us God. That itself is a sin, and with the sepeartion of church and state, they want it both ways, but I guess they won’t anymore. I’m sure God has better plans with countries and peoples that are close to Him. It’s time for us to get thrown to the dogs and we surely sererve what we got coming to us. I think it’s our turn to fall…May JESUS the LORD help us…

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.7/5 (46 votes cast)
    • mcblancComment by mcblanc
      June 21, 2012 @ 4:42 pm

      I believe that Jesus–Himself–would approve of the CMPD chaplains directing prayers to God as a matter of public policy.

      After All…
      If there was Anybody who favored doing good work in ways & by means that would clear away the causes of division between People–IT WAS CHRIST.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 2.3/5 (48 votes cast)
    • recce1Comment by recce1
      June 22, 2012 @ 12:57 am

      If I might suggest that God also hears prayers from non-Christians. However, He has made some promises to believers that don’t apply to non-believers. That said, I believe God does answer the prayers of non-believers if the answers are going to bring recognition of who it is that answers their prayers, namely Jesus.

      In addition, while I find it important to ask in Jesus’ name, I don’t think there needs to be a magical formula or chant to be heard, particularly for those new in the faith. God is far more forgiving then we are. He wants us to learn to completely trust him and that He has our best interests in mind. So of course it’s important to teach those new in the faith the importance of getting it right on prayer and all matters, knowing that none of are perfect, particularly me.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.4/5 (13 votes cast)
    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      June 22, 2012 @ 6:55 am

      These Liberal clown’s idea of separation of Church and state is to separate Christ and all Christian teachings from the state of our minds. It is all about secular mind manipulation with secular government now to be the source from whom all our blessings flow to keep our minds and our bodies and our souls in a perpetual state of dependency to the new age secular God government run by fallible men like what we now have in power. Who and what you turn to in times of crisis defines who and what you worship. Soon we will all be just another gaggle of sheep herded into the Katrina Super Bowl of life which now becomes the Democrat Tidy Bowl. We can all remember how well that turned out and how great our Secular Government God performed. Are you making your mortgage payment today with that imaginary job that the new Messiah promised you in Hopeless Change? Thanks but I’ll stick with Jesus who has yet to let me down yet, and can hardwire even the most despicable liberal with a direct line to the real source of human power and blessing. The problem of the Liberal Mindset is that they would rather rule in a socialist hell of their own special privilege, than serve in a Christian heaven where all men are created in equal worth in the eyes of an omnipotent and omniscient Deity.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.6/5 (27 votes cast)
    • vickimarieComment by vickimarie
      June 22, 2012 @ 9:26 am

      Tell them to pray in the name of Yeshua, because that is the name of Jesus, there are no J’s in the Hebrew aleph bet(alphabet) His name was never Jesus, it has always been Yeshua. So pray in the name of Yeshua that will confuse them, lol

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.9/5 (12 votes cast)
    • recce1Comment by recce1
      June 25, 2012 @ 12:01 am

      mcblanc, while Jesus said we were to be peacemakers, He cautioned against compromise on God’s Word. He never told us to be “politically correct.” He didn’t tickle peoples’ ears. He didn’t adapt to people but asked people to adapt to God’s truth.

      In Luke 12:49-53 Jesus said, “”I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against one another, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

      Jesus wasn’t concerned so much about division among people as He was about that between people and God. If we take care of the latter the former will begin to heal.

      For too long we have been told just don’t upset the apple cart, play along. Now it’s time not too play along, remembering we’re told to act with love.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.3/5 (4 votes cast)
  2. bryansmithComment by bryansmith
    June 21, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

    Mr Jim Gronquist, this so called policy you so sanctimoniously adopt is nothing but a piece of ****. If you knew anything about praying, you’ld understand. Personally, there is not enouth Police or Warriors in this country to force this upon the people. I for one will pray, when and where I want too, including on public school grounds, court houses, and even in church. There is nothing you or anyone else can do about it, so you may as well get used to seeing it.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.9/5 (89 votes cast)
    • recce1Comment by recce1
      June 22, 2012 @ 1:01 am

      I think you have misread the article, although the title was misleading. The policy only applies to department personnel from invoking the name of Jesus at public events.

      It definitely doesn’t apply to people outside the police department of to officers in their personal prayers. Of course some day it might come to what you allude to. Inch by inch, foot by foot, evil sneaks up on us.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.8/5 (13 votes cast)
  3. sureshot32Comment by sureshot32
    June 21, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

    Is the chaplain allowed to specifically pray to Allah, Buddha, or any other specific religious figure or is Jesus the only one left out? If you can pray to any of the above, it seems only right that you should be able to pray in Jesus’ name as well.

    What I think might be going on here, however, is that they have said the chaplain may not call out a specific religion when doing prayer. I’m also pretty sure each police officer is more than free to privately pray to whichever religious figure he believes in, so more than likely, this is much ado about nothing.

    Question for all those that feel this is an invasion of your religious rights… how would you feel if at the public event you were attending, the police chaplain went up and gave a long prayer in Allah’s name? Most Christians wouldn’t appreciate it – as I suspect most Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, atheists, and agnostics don’t much care for prayers to Jesus at every function.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 2.3/5 (32 votes cast)
    • liberty49Comment by liberty49
      June 21, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

      This is a deliberate slap in the face for Christians. This is a Christian nation and I think those who follow Budda or Hindus understand this. If I were in their country I would respect them praying to their God. But, I repeat, THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION, IF YOU CAN’T HANDLE THAT, THEN GET OUT!

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.7/5 (54 votes cast)
    • sureshot32Comment by sureshot32
      June 21, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

      No, it’s not a Christian nation, it’s a nation for all and/or no denominations (if one so chooses not to follow a religion). If you want to live in a theocracy, I suggest it should be you who leaves the country. There are lots of places in this world where they embrace religion as part of the ruling class – the United States of America just doesn’t happen to be one of them.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 1.9/5 (40 votes cast)
    • dragonlord67Comment by dragonlord67
      June 21, 2012 @ 5:41 pm

      @ sureshot32 – A true atheist(which is hard to find) would be offended because it violates his religious beliefs.

      atheism – noun – The doctrine or belief that there is no God.

      If an agnostic is offended, then he/she should also be offended by Science.

      agnostic – noun – A person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable.

      Muslims would be offended because in their eyes, all non-Muslims are infidels.

      A Buddhist should not be offended because they are to be enlightened.

      The Jewish people worship the same God that Christians do, so should not be offended anyway.

      This country was founded on Christian principles, so everyone needs to understand that. We don’t go to Thailand(for example) and tell them they can’t worship Buddha.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.8/5 (44 votes cast)
    • willmc777Comment by willmc777
      June 21, 2012 @ 10:28 pm

      Sureshot, you are quite correct in the statement that if the ban applies only to prayers in Jesus name, and according to the instructions the Pastor recieved, that is the case, then it is discriminitory.
      What you must understand however, is that the strong reaction people have with this issue is just because it IS Christianity that is singled out (has been for several years). The many offenses over the years have contributed to a growing sense of anger.
      No we are not a Theocracy, but that is not what it means to be a Christian Nation. We are a Christian Nation because our country was built on a foundation of Christian Principles. The 1st line of the Declaration of Ind declares we are created, by God, and our rights come from God, NOT Govt.
      Liberals in truth could care less about Nativities, Christmas Trees, or even praying in Jesus Name. The real agenda is to erase our Christian Foundational principles and replace them with secular ones. If anyone cares to see what the outcomes of such a change could be, all they need to do is compare the results of the American Revolution as opposed to say the French, or Russian Communist Revolutions.
      Actually Jesus could tell us exactly what happens to any house (or Nation) that is built on a faulty foundation, say sand, as opposed to being built on a rock.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.7/5 (22 votes cast)
    • bspaeroComment by bspaero
      July 2, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

      “AMEN Brother!” Little by little the “Politically Correct” crowd
      is trying to force Christianity out of the minds of Americans,I can not imagine entering a Mosque & yelling Praise Jesus!telling them they can no longer pray to Allah or how about down with Mohamed!You would literally be carrying your head in your hands before you hit the exit door. I’m sick of Christians getting dumped on.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 1.0/5 (1 vote cast)
    • recce1Comment by recce1
      July 2, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

      bspaero, that political correctness is well entrenched in this administration. Recently Sec. Clinton made a comment supporting “freedom of faith.” However, the Constitution addresses freedom of religion. The former Soviet constitution even advocated freedom of faith, the private belief in something religious, but not in freedom of religion, the right to practice it publicly and certainly not the right to act on it in the public square.

      That supposed “wall of separation between church and state” only means that the state can’t set up or interfere in a religion. It certainly doesn’t prohibit religious groups and organizations from engaging the government in the public and political arena. The only thing that prohibits that is the Faustian Bargain [501(c)3] churches and synagogues have made with the Beast, the Infernal Retribution Sackers, oops, I mean the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 0.0/5 (0 votes cast)
  4. wedeyComment by wedey
    June 21, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

    As long as the citizens keep allowing this to happen, it will bet worse.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.9/5 (53 votes cast)
  5. trashmanComment by trashman
    June 21, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

    OK, here’s the deal. The First Amendment says Congress shall make no law, key word ”Cogress” not the school board, nor the polce, not the ACLU, etc. Secondly, it says ”nor (make alaw) prohibitting the free exercise thereof.”

    We all know tht the intent was to prevent the establishment of a state religion, and that’s ALL!

    Religion is not forced on anyone, so please, for the love of C****T (didn’t say it) leave those of us who believe, alone.

    Remember ths: 2012, Time to take out the Trash.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.8/5 (62 votes cast)
    • wdjincComment by wdjinc
      June 21, 2012 @ 6:47 pm

      Trashman -

      You have defined the intent of 1st Amendment regarding religion better than any news media. Clear, concise and easy to understand.

      There are no words in our constitution prohibiting our religious freedom nor praying in schools nor using the word ‘God’ or erecting crosses and providing Christmas displays in public squares. The ACLU has distorted the meaning of the 1st amendment and liberal judges follow. The ACLU is a communist organization and should be abolished along with Obama’s loss this November.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.6/5 (34 votes cast)
    • conserveusa38Comment by conserveusa38
      June 22, 2012 @ 7:40 am

      Dragonlord: You said it perfectly. I was going to say also that we were founded upon Chistianity therefore…..this IS a Christian country whther I like it, you like it or anyone likes it. America is losing all her values and what she stands for by individuals playing politics. Would we go to another country and tell them to change their founded religion? They would laugh or in some….throw us in jail. This whole thing is a joke and we need to get our country back to the way it once was!

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.3/5 (11 votes cast)
  6. celador2Comment by celador2
    June 21, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

    This stinking ACLU has rules by minority edit too long. PRAY to the LORD JESUS.
    And never stop.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.8/5 (60 votes cast)
  7. Pat SantavenereComment by Pat Santavenere
    June 21, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

    The ACLU and other leftist organizations get this wrong every time because they have an agenda to remove God entirely from public life. The 1st Amendment to the US Constitution reads as follows: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
    Clearly, this is directed entirely and solely at Congress. It is a prohibition on the actions of Congress, and it in NO WAY forbids a Police Department Chaplain from exercising his GOD-GIVEN right to the free exercise of his religion. In fact, it GUARANTEES that no law will ever be made that does impinge on his right to pray as he wills IN PUBLIC.
    It does not prohibit students from praying at school functions, it IN NOT WAY FORBIDS ANY AMERICAN, whether employed by the government or on government property, from praying, from invoking the name of Jesus, or from any other exercise of religion. In fact, all these people are guaranteed the right to do these things by this the very amendment the leftists invoke as forbidding these actions.
    The first amendment restricts the actions of only one group of people – members of Congress, and it does so in an effort to protect the GOD-GIVEN rights of every citizen of this country to pray and worship as he or she desires!
    It’s time to put an end to the leftists constant attempts to erase God from the United States of America.

    VA:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.8/5 (72 votes cast)
  8. sunnybluesComment by sunnyblues
    June 21, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

    NO, NO, a thousand times NO. This is not acceptable. We must not allow them to bully us ANYMORE or deny us our Constitutional rights or our freedom of religion. IT IS TIME, MY FRIENDS, TO PUSH BACK, TO STAND UP FOR OUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS! That whole separation of church and state is a big fat lie that we allowed them to spread like wildfire and now people think it is actually in our Constitution! Roe vs Wade was based on a lie too! Millions of innocent, tiny citizens are dead and their blood is on our hands. We can no longer remain silent or we will be silenced forever.

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.” – Edmund Burke

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.7/5 (55 votes cast)
  9. Chris BComment by Chris B
    June 21, 2012 @ 4:03 pm

    As a particularly devout Roman Catholic, I will probably surprise a few by saying that I agree that in the case of prayer at official public events, one should be as ecumenical as possible and avoid specific denominational references, such as “In Jesus’ Name.” As a leader, one leads all to prayer, and that includes anyone who might be non-Christian such as Jews. I have used this principle in practice, being asked to give an opening prayer for my local Republican committee and club I always start off the prayer with “Almighty and eternal God” which is as non-denominational as one can get.

    P.S. While the common expression for Protestants is “in Jesus’ name,” the standard expression for Catholics is “through Christ our Lord.” Even as Christians we stumble on denominational nit picking.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 2.5/5 (36 votes cast)
    • billwvComment by billwv
      June 21, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

      Evangelist Ed Ballew [of the Independent Baptist variety] made a scrap book of church signs he had seen that amused him about why people used the name. His favorite was:
      Compromise Baptist Church

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.3/5 (11 votes cast)
    • jbflynnComment by Josh Flynn
      June 21, 2012 @ 4:47 pm

      Maybe we should just ask the government to give (establish) us a prayer that will be acceptable to the government and quit dancing around The Constitution.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 1.5/5 (15 votes cast)
    • beretta45calComment by beretta45cal
      June 21, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

      Well I believe you are wrong as is the Roman Catholic Religion is in the wrong and will one day fall, I’ve been halfway down into Mexico were they are Catholics and it’s not part of the Christian Religion going by the King James Bible which is the only Bible as far as I’m concern, alot of their practices goes against my Bible and I would have no part of it.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 1.9/5 (17 votes cast)
    • dragonlord67Comment by dragonlord67
      June 21, 2012 @ 6:53 pm

      Sorry for having to post this here, Chris B.

      @ beretta45cal – If the Roman Catholics are wrong, then your Christian duty is to show them the right way, NOT belittle them(which is a sin in all Bibles, including yours) or attack them. If you feel they are wrong, you need to point out where they are wrong, according to the Bible.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.8/5 (11 votes cast)
    • Mort_fComment by Mort_f
      June 21, 2012 @ 9:39 pm

      To Chris B: Thank you. I am not a Christian, but I fully appreciate your methodology when speaking to a mixed audience in public. In private, or in your church, feel free to use whatever you wish, whether I am in your audience or not.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.5/5 (8 votes cast)
    • newrepublicanComment by newrepublican
      June 22, 2012 @ 8:01 am

      beretta45cal
      your comment makes no sense. The Catholic/Universal Church assembled the Bible and sacntified it as the Living Word or The Word Made Flesh. It was factions composing the Protestant revolution that took exception to some of the teachings and traditions of the Church and separated from the Church. In some cases there were alternatve translations made but the Catholic Church’s translation stands consistant across the world. As to Mexican traditions, we Catholics accept people of all race and traditions and welcome them into the Communion of Saints who share in the Eucharist.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 2.8/5 (4 votes cast)
  10. unclejjComment by unclejj
    June 21, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

    @ xfdnymedic- the Bible has been absent from courtrooms for quite some time. (My experience only-I can’t speak for all of them)

    Most of the law enforcement officers I know would not appreciate this directive. In 16 years of law enforcement I have never met a member of any agency that had any use for the aclu or felt a need to be “saved” by them.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.8/5 (24 votes cast)
  11. Allen SComment by Allen S
    June 21, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

    The only one we should pray to is the Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. Why should anyone prevent that teaching from the Word of God except those who are against God
    Ephesians 5:20 “…always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father”
    I Tim 2:1-2 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
    Eph 6:18 With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.3/5 (12 votes cast)
  12. BillComment by Bill
    June 21, 2012 @ 4:42 pm

    BLAME THE ACLU:
    The ACLU is the cause of many of our problems! Because of the ACLU, God given morals were taken out of our schools. Because of the ACLU, we must have more police, more jail and police in our schools. The ACLU is costing the tax payers millions.
    The ACLU even went after a cross in the middle of the desert. Some ask what’s the point, why?
    What is the goal of the ACLU?
    From the pages of “The ACLU EXPOSED” by Daniel J Popeo of the Washington Legal Foundation page 9. Roger Baldwin founder of the ACLU at the responsible age of 50 wrote “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself as an instrument for violence and compulsion. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.” They want to chance America into an atheist communist nation.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.5/5 (23 votes cast)
  13. Marina HeilmanComment by Marina Heilman
    June 21, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

    hm. that wouldn’t go over here. I know several LEOs who carry small Bibles in their squad cars….

    VA:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.6/5 (11 votes cast)
  14. James F. MathisComment by James F. Mathis
    June 21, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

    Satan is alive and well. You see his influence all around us. The ACLU is one of many of his instruments. The overwhelming influence of Islam is another. Folks with a world view ( not grounded in the Christian Faith) will always side with this kind of policy. We as Christians must Pray for these folks and become activist for our faith. Not thru civil disabediance but at the voting booth. We only have ourselves to blame when we do not vote.

    VA:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.4/5 (19 votes cast)
    • beretta45calComment by beretta45cal
      June 21, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

      Hi Sir, I agree with you 99 percent and I know we are supposed to have a prayer closet to pray in but if I feel like praying in the name of Jesus in public I will and no one can ever take that away from me, but I never seen any good in voting though I did vote against Obama (can’t respect a anti-christ) and I try my best to live a Christian life but it’s really hard when I come from a family of drunkers, thiefs and hippocrites and I don’t mean to judge no one but it has been to the point of taking my own life and I’ve tried 3 times with pills but God keeps me around for some reason, Dr. Woodroll Krow on back to the Bible say’s that the most miserable people on earth are Christians that are here and don’t know why and the most dangerous people are people with no concience or guilt.
      I Pray that Christ will come back very soon, my patience is about gone.
      Thank You!

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.0/5 (6 votes cast)
  15. cxComment by genesal
    June 21, 2012 @ 5:30 pm

    If the Police Chaplain invokes Jesus’ name what are they going to do, call the cops?

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.7/5 (15 votes cast)
    • billwvComment by billwv
      June 21, 2012 @ 5:45 pm

      I guess the implication would be ‘arrest’ the chaplain right after he ‘raised his head’ and ‘opened his eyes’.

      Yeah, right.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.6/5 (11 votes cast)
  16. RobComment by Rob
    June 21, 2012 @ 5:31 pm

    How much longer will “traditional America” take this ****? The TYRANNY of the MINORITY is getting truly oppressive. The Left is like a little dog confidently yapping and tormenting the big dog on a chain… at some point, the chain will break.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.8/5 (17 votes cast)
  17. randComment by rand
    June 21, 2012 @ 5:41 pm

    Well we’ve heard what man has to say, let’s see what Jesus has to say… “whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.” As for me, I shall continue to pray to Him, in Him and for Him before all people even to the loss of my freedom or to the loss of my life! I encourage you all to do likewise.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.5/5 (24 votes cast)
    • sharaya30Comment by sharaya30
      June 21, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

      It’s good to see someone standing firm for Jesus and AMERICAN PRINCIPLES. The people on the left that Jesus offends better get some thick skin, because everyone will know the truth when Jesus returns.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.3/5 (18 votes cast)
    • bulldogComment by bulldog
      June 21, 2012 @ 7:45 pm

      I 100% agree with your statement. Do not deny GOD, and be willing to die for your GOD if necessary.

      This country is going in the wrong direction, and we need to turn it around!

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.6/5 (10 votes cast)
  18. BillzillaComment by Billzilla
    June 21, 2012 @ 5:45 pm

    Politically nonsense supported by elected officials with no backbone! The time to remove the trash from all levels of government is at hand. Start with the local school boards, town councils, county officials, and all of the way up the line to state, and federal elected officials. These spineless wimps work for us, not the other way around!

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.4/5 (20 votes cast)
    • billwvComment by billwv
      June 21, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

      I only wish I could give you ‘five stars’ again.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.7/5 (13 votes cast)
  19. JoJoComment by JoJo
    June 21, 2012 @ 6:16 pm

    I will always pray to God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost. They are the Holy Trinity. As a true Roman Catholic I will never give the right to anyone to take that away from me for any reason. I will never obey ill-conceived laws. As long as every one sticks to their belief we will keep our Country free and rid ourselves of these vicious officials who think they can interfere with our faith. As other have said we pray to God in Jesus name! That says it all. It is God who gives us inalliable rights, not man. Man cannot take away something he has nothing to do with. Ask youself why these small minded people are so afraid of Jesus, who was crucified on the Cross for our sins? Pray to God in Jesus name that these people will not only understand but will also praise Him that has done so much for us. They are to be pitied but not obeyed.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.4/5 (14 votes cast)
  20. mortimer5Comment by mortimer5
    June 21, 2012 @ 6:26 pm

    One step closer to being ruled by islam. this is driven by the Muslim president. the devil can be disguised in many ways.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.6/5 (9 votes cast)
  21. Ben_ColderComment by Ben_Colder
    June 21, 2012 @ 6:48 pm

    Islam is not a religion. It’s an Ideology.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.0/5 (6 votes cast)
    • dragonlord67Comment by dragonlord67
      June 21, 2012 @ 7:04 pm

      Ideology – the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.

      Religion – a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

      They both use the word belief. Whether Islam is a religion or an Ideology is irrelevant. Either way, their main goal is the destruction of Israel and her allies.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.6/5 (9 votes cast)
    • cxComment by genesal
      June 21, 2012 @ 7:19 pm

      Islam is an Imperialistic One World ideology trying to conqueror and take over the world and implement their Theocracy over all, everywhere. They were the original Crusaders. Been at it for over 1500 years.

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.6/5 (9 votes cast)
  22. cypressComment by cypress
    June 21, 2012 @ 9:24 pm

    When one of the C.M.P.D needs help they will call on the name that will answer. Be it yours, mine or someone else’s. It’s up to us to know which name will respond. Ask them, not the speaker.

    a perspective.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.7/5 (3 votes cast)
  23. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    June 21, 2012 @ 9:44 pm

    Think of this as a ‘shot across the bow’. Do I see Obama’s hand in it? Will the next step be the removal of crosses from the uniforms of Christian chaplains in the military?

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.3/5 (6 votes cast)
  24. Pingback: » You can pray… just not to Jesus » The Loft — GOPUSA | Christians Following Jesus

  25. montie364Comment by montie364
    June 22, 2012 @ 12:14 am

    Look are you so stupid as to believe the LIE of the “separation of church and state” it does NOT exist. READ the constitution
    WE have the RIGHT to practice ANY religion we CHOOSE. Get a life NIMRODS.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.0/5 (6 votes cast)
  26. awkingsleyComment by awkingsley
    June 22, 2012 @ 12:26 am

    Praying to a living master, meaning someone who has attained the Christ consciousness, brings greater effectiveness. This can be compared to just calling for help when you have a heart attack, as opposed to calling for a “doctor” to help. When you really want prayers answered, calling on Jesus Christ creates added effectiveness. As usual the government doesn’t really care whether anything is effective or not. The government always uses a different criteria for judging results. Effectiveness as a criteria for judging the success of public policy carries a low priority.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 2.2/5 (5 votes cast)
  27. trymaybeComment by trymaybe
    June 22, 2012 @ 12:41 am

    Acts 5:27-29, “Having brought the apostles, they made them appear before the Sanhedrin to be questioned by the high priest. ‘We gave you strict orders not to teach in this Name,’ he said. ‘Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man’s blood.’ Peter and the other apostles replied: ‘We must obey God rather than men!’”

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.1/5 (9 votes cast)
  28. SonadorComment by Sonador
    June 22, 2012 @ 5:49 am

    Mr Eberle:

    I hope you knew by covering this story that you’d created a flame war between the two factions of believer and non-believers. I’m also a bit surprised that you didn’t follow up on why the state of North Carolina has decided to implement this policy. If you genuinely don’t know, I’m sure it’s so that one man/woman is able to offer a spiritual connection to whatever is out there and not separate officers of the state by religious preference.

    VA:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.0/5 (2 votes cast)
    • sfwhiteComment by sfwhite
      June 22, 2012 @ 11:06 am

      It’s long past time this topic was brought to a head, non-believers have NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to infringe on our right to freely exercise our religion! It is for that purpose Christians first came to America, like it or not.

      If it so offends your sensibilities… something that is NOT prohibited from happening by the Constitution… put your fingers in your ears.

      He was a CHRISTIAN pastor. Christian… Christ… you know, like in Christ JESUS!

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.4/5 (5 votes cast)
  29. sandman4x4Comment by sandman4x4
    June 22, 2012 @ 7:09 am

    It is true, that God is all forgiving, and that goes for Jesus, also. With that said, I would not want to be in the shoes of the creant that has made this call, come judgement day, the Lord, Jesus, the Holy Trinity, knows what you yourself believes in, no mater how it is said, the Lord knows what is in your heart, and we all believe who will pass through the Pearly Gates,and there will be a little detour, for the folks that make the belivers act, and speak in such ways.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.3/5 (7 votes cast)
  30. wcook703Comment by wcook703
    June 22, 2012 @ 10:27 am

    What did Daniel do when royal decree forbade petition to any god or man save king Darius? (Daniel 6) Whose country is this? Are we now obeying civil edicts that defy the Constitution the issuer has sworn to uphold and defend? If not now, when do we defy such tyranny? When police officers are commanded incarcerate Americans because they refuse to bow to dictatorial rule? If we will not stand now in the face of this audacious tyranny, we have indeed become the frog in the kettle about to croak. America does not belong to fools who have said in their hearts, “There is no God.” It belongs to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who gave it to our forbears. By heritage and Constitution it is ours, if we have the courage to assert our legitimate claim. “Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto them than unto God, judge ye.” (Acts 4:19) Obedience is disobedience and disobedience is obedience when edict forbids prayer offered in the name of Jesus Christ in America. If we will not defend what is ours, we prove ourselves to be unfaithful stewards and everything we have received will be taken from us.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.7/5 (6 votes cast)
    • sfwhiteComment by sfwhite
      June 22, 2012 @ 10:55 am

      Exactly so, well said!

      Christians, who do you fear, Man or God? The time is NOW! STAND UP! Because God will not hold blameless those who will not stand for our Lord and Savior!

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.4/5 (5 votes cast)
  31. sfwhiteComment by sfwhite
    June 22, 2012 @ 10:38 am

    It’s time for American Christians to throw off their PC yoke and stand up for their faith! There has NEVER been a requirement of “separation of church and state” mentioned in the Constitution, that’s been made up whole cloth from a simple mention of it by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to a Baptist church *as an assurance* the church’s religious practices would NOT be infringed upon by the government.

    That one statement in that one letter has been subverted by those who hate Christianity and, as an attack on it, have turned what Jefferson meant completely upside-down! Then, to make it worse, they have blatantly lied, incorrectly attributing it as being a Constitutional mandate, though it NEVER WAS!

    The First Amendment to the Constitution actually reads:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, **or prohibiting the free exercise thereof**; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    By preventing chaplains from using the name of Jesus when they pray, the government is “prohibiting the free exercise” of his Christian religion! This must STOP! Christians, STAND UP! The government is ruling in direct violation of the Constitution, and IT MUST END… NOW!

    Think about it, Christians, the very first topic addressed in the very first amendment to the Constitution was about freedom to practice your religion without interference by the government. The founders of America came here for the express purpose of being able to freely practice their Christian faith in the manner they chose. The Founding Fathers considered the practice of their Christian faith, unhindered by any edicts of the government, to be the most important right granted to us, that’s why it’s the first subject in the First Amendment… it was FIRST in importance!

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.0/5 (4 votes cast)
    • wcook703Comment by wcook703
      June 22, 2012 @ 11:11 am

      Amen

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.7/5 (3 votes cast)
  32. MorganComment by Morgan
    June 22, 2012 @ 11:07 am

    If I were this Chaplain being told I could not pray “in Jesus Name” I would quickly resign as I would absolutely refuse to compromise my beliefs. To knuckle under to this kind of ruling is a slap in Jesus face as far as I’m concerned.

    Jesus said….
    Luke 9:26
    For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.7/5 (3 votes cast)
    • wcook703Comment by wcook703
      June 22, 2012 @ 11:11 am

      I wouldn’t resign. I would defy the order and pray in the name of Jesus.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.2/5 (5 votes cast)
  33. flyrn13Comment by flyrn13
    June 22, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

    I STRONGLY suggest that these people STOP PROHIBITING our Freedom of Religion!

    Article [I]13

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.8/5 (4 votes cast)
  34. cantenslavemymindComment by cantenslavemymind
    June 22, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

    If you attend a public event and a prayer or invocation is given and the chaplain or whomever is speaking concludes by addressing God only, if you are truly moved enough to want the prayer to go through Jesus, why not just say “In Jesus’ name” or “Through Christ our Lord” Amen, out loud yourselves? I highly doubt that you would be hauled off to jail or cited for this. Just do it, don’t debate it. How many of you Christians(myself included)are incensed enough to speak up for Our Lord out loud? Maybe many in the crowd would follow your example and do the same. I say “Amen” to Civil Disobedience.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.0/5 (4 votes cast)
  35. Pingback: Johnny Cirucci’s Information Preparation of the Battlefield (“IPB”): Freedom News for Friday, 22 June 2012 | Johnny Cirucci.com

  36. stacheComment by stache
    June 22, 2012 @ 9:55 pm

    Figures. Look who’s coming to Charlotte for his second “Immaculation”? The one who says we cling to our religion…
    The one who says Muslims have made great contributions to America throughout history… The one who bows to all manner of un-Godliness. They are preparing the way.

    “They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you.” 1 Peter 4:4

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.0/5 (4 votes cast)
    • recce1Comment by recce1
      June 23, 2012 @ 1:23 am

      Mr. Obama is right, Islam has contributed much to the US. It has taught us to be on our guard. It has shown us the need for a good Navy. It got us into world wars. And it taught us the extent of its homicidal intolerance and bigotry. It even was responsible for Europe finding the Western Hemisphere when it did.

      Remember the first line of the Marines Hymn, “From the Hall of Montezuma to the Shore of…?” It wasn’t to the “Shore of the Potomac” although that’d be a good idea, particularly now. As a fledgling nation the Islamic Caliphate declared war on the US because Jefferson refuse to pay jizya (tribute). That was in the 1790s. We’ve been at conflict with Islam ever since.

      WW I started because Serbian of Europe wanted to be free of the last of the Islamic Caliphate in Europe. The unfair terms of the Versailles Treaty led to WW II. During both World Wars the Islamic nations stood with the Axis Powers. They did so in the 2nd largely due to favoring Hitler’s plan for the Final Solution.

      By the way, the Americas were discovered when they were due to Islamic aggression which had been the result of centuries of Islamic aggression in Europe. With the final fall of the Roman Empire, the Eastern part at Constantinople, the Dardanelles and the Black Sea routes to India and China were cut off to European commerce. The Portuguese largely controlled the dangerous Horn of Africa route. Finally some time after the Crusades the southeast coast of Spain was liberated, so a Catholic descendent of Jews knowing the world was round sailed west to find a new route. But he had miscalculated the circumference of the globe and ran into some unexpected islands.

      So yes, in a way Mr. Obama is right. But I’m sure that’s not what he meant.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 4.0/5 (4 votes cast)
  37. makenoiseinfandfa67to93Comment by makenoiseinfandfa67to93
    June 23, 2012 @ 1:03 am

    Pray, but not use Jesus, I don’t know how. Are they going to fire all of the Volunteer Chaplains, no. It is coming to the point that they will be saying ” Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition”

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.0/5 (4 votes cast)
  38. makenoiseinfandfa67to93Comment by makenoiseinfandfa67to93
    June 23, 2012 @ 1:06 am

    stache, he is correct, I do cling to my Bible and My weapon. I am well versed in the use of both and keep plenty of ammunition for both as well. I am proud to be an Retired American Soldier who will not surrender my right because one ACLU idiot says too. FACLU. I heard they were opening an office in the Whitehouse. LOL

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 2.8/5 (6 votes cast)
  39. FreshAirComment by FreshAir
    June 24, 2012 @ 1:55 am

    Public servants (police, fire, teachers, government agencies, and our military) are funded by tax payer dollars which come from the wallets of every taxpaying American, regardless of their race, gender, ethnicity, socio-economic status, political party, religion or lack thereof to serve ALL Americans and those who live in America without bias for or against any particular group.

    For a public official to favor one group over another would and does create disharmony.

    E Pluribus Unum (out of many, one) is the motto on the Great Seal of the United States.

    The secularity of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights insures each of us liberty, freedom, and justice. It is incumbent upon all of us whether we are the majority or the minority of any particular group to find ways that we stay united because divided we will fall.

    The assumption that everyone is a Christian or a believer, or won’t be offended by a prayer in public is false, arrogant, and disrespectful of the rights of others. Public property and officials sanctioning one religion over another when paid by everyone’s tax dollars is offensive.

    Acting on a false assumption is neither just nor wise, and does more to divide than to unite. The acrimonious comments on this matter are testament to the divisiveness created when one group believes they are more privileged than another. As a proud American, I was taught that my rights end when those rights impinge on the rights and freedom of others.

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.3/5 (3 votes cast)
    • cxComment by genesal
      June 24, 2012 @ 8:10 am

      Where did the ‘magic’ rights come from? What rights are being impinged? This may be the way you want things but it is not the way our Founding Fathers set up this country.
      If someone is offended by God and or Jesus Christ, that is of their doing not ours.
      You read way too much into the 1st Amendment which just prohibits Congress, no one else.
      So where did an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, happen. It didn’t.
      What the first Amendment does say is that Congress cannot stop us from Worshiping how what and Whom we may (free exercise thereof). Period.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.0/5 (2 votes cast)
  40. cxComment by genesal
    June 24, 2012 @ 7:29 am

    United States Congress
    March 27,1854, a report from Mr. Meacham of the House Committee

    “At the time of the adoption of the Constitution and the amendments, the universal sentiment was that Christianity should be encouraged, not any one sect [denomination]. Any attempt to level and discard all religion would have been viewed with universal indignation. The object was not to substitute Judaism or Mohammedanism, of infidelity [Atheism], but to prevent rivalry among the [Christian] sects to the exclusion of others.

    It [Christianity] must be considered as the foundation on which the whole structure rests. Laws will not have permanence or power without the sanction of religious sentiment, — without a firm belief that there is a Power above us that will reward our virtues and punish our vices.

    In this age there can be no substitute for Christianity: that, in its general principles, is the great conservative element on which we must rely for the purity and permanence of free institutions. That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants. There is a great and very prevalent error on this subject in the opinion that those who organized this Government did not legislate on religion.”

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 3.7/5 (3 votes cast)
  41. cxComment by genesal
    June 24, 2012 @ 7:41 am

    The First Prayer in Congress
    Held in Carpenters Hall
    Philadelphia – September 7, 1774

    Mr. Duche’s Prayer

    Be Thou present; O God of Wisdom, and direct the councils of this Honorable Assembly: enable them to settle all things on the best and surest foundations: that the scene of blood may be speedily closed: that Order, Harmony and Peace may be effectually restored, and Truth, and Justice, Religion, and Piety prevail and flourish among the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and the vigor of their minds, shower down on them, and the millions they here represent, such temporal Blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world, and crown them with everlasting Glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ Thy Son and Our Savior.

    Amen

    In attendance were:

    1 Cesar Rodney, Del.
    2 Edward Rutledge, S.C.
    3 T. Cushing, Mass.
    4 Ephilet Dyer, Conn.
    5 Samuel Adams, Mass.
    6 John Adams, Mass.
    7 Patrick Henry, Va.
    8 John Rutledge, S.C.
    9 George Washington, Va.
    10 Peyton Randolph, Va.
    11 Col. N. Folsom, N.H.
    12 Robert Treat Paine, MA
    13 George Read, Del.
    14 Silas Dead, Conn.
    15 Richard Smith, N.J.
    16 Philip Livingston, N.Y.
    17 Thomas Lynch, S.C.
    18 Stephen Hopkins, R.I.
    19 John Dehart, N.J.
    20 William Livingston, N.J.
    21 Thomas McKean, Del.
    22 Roger Sherman, Conn.
    23 William Paca, M.D.
    24 Rev. Mr. Duche, Pa.
    25 Samuel Rhodes, Pa.
    26 Col. William Floyd, N.Y.
    27 Stephen Crane, N.J.
    28 Samuel Chase, M.D.
    29 John Morton, Pa.
    30 Thomas Mifflin, Pa.
    31 Charles Thomson, Va.
    32 Rich. Henry Lee, Va.
    33 John Jay, N.Y.
    34 Isaac Low, N.Y.
    35 Benjamin Harrison, Va.
    36 Samuel Ward, R.I.
    *******************

    Continental Congress
    Oct. 18,1780 Congress issued a Proclamation for a Day of Public Thanksgiving and Prayer.

    “Whereas it hath pleased Almighty God, the Father of all mercies, amidst the vicissitudes and calamities of war, to bestow blessings on the people of these states, which call for their devout and thankful acknowledgements, more especially in the late remarkable interposition of his watchful providence, in the rescuing the person of our Commander-in-Chief and the army from imminent dangers, at the moment when treason was ripened for execution… It is therefore recommended to the several states… a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, that all the people may assemble on that day to celebrate the praises of our Divine Benefactor; to confess our unworthiness of the least of his favours, and to offer our fervent supplications to the God of all grace… to cause the knowledge of Christianity to spread over all the earth.”

    http://www.restore-christian-america.org/congress.html

    VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
    Rate this comment:
    Rating: 4.0/5 (4 votes cast)
    • recce1Comment by recce1
      June 25, 2012 @ 3:55 am

      genesal, thanks for your inputs. As you imply, our rights come from our Creator, not magic, and certainly not from the government. The Founders made that abundantly clear.

      By the way, The 1st Amendment also applies to the states due to the 1925 SCOTUS Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 Decision. But all it does is prevent governments from setting up a state religion (establishment) or prohibiting people or places of faith from exercising their religion (free exercise), not just a right to holding certain beliefs, i.e., “freedom of belief” as Sec. Clinton tried to insinuate recently.

      Where this instance is problematic is the interpretation of whether or not a police department or other unit of government is “establishing” a religion by allowing its members to pray in the name of a specific belief while officiating at a public event. That’s the broad interpretation of the Atheist Communist Licentiousness Underdogs (ACLU). However the supreme Court on a number of occasions seems to not hold such a rigid narrow view.

      While I don’t believe this is a Christian country in the sense that any specific religion has priority, I do firmly believe we’re to be a Christian influenced country founded on Judeo-Christian principles. I believe that’s what the Founders intended.

      One more point, if Christians are to be restricted, we should announce that all other religious officials are to also to be similarly restricted, including Muslims. Watch the uproar, or violence, to begin then.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.0/5 (2 votes cast)
    • cxComment by genesal
      June 25, 2012 @ 10:47 am

      The long and short of it is that the Constitution has been misconstrued and perverted. The Founding Fathers were explicit by their actions with regards to Religious Freedoms. It’s obvious that a government unit is not ‘Establishing a Religion’ by the citation of a prayer containing the name of Jesus. The prayer, any Christian prayer does not have the capability to leave behind it an established Religion.

      The 14th Amendment (due process) through Incorporation, merely means that the 1st Amendment applies to the States, which means that State Congress’ could not establish a Religion, which they have not done in the first place.

      The 14th Amendment
      “[w]ithout doubt…denotes not merely freedom from bodily restraint but also the right of the individual to contract, to engage in any of the common occupations of life, to acquire useful knowledge, to marry, establish a home and bring up children, to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience, and generally to enjoy those privileges long recognized at common law as essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”

      It merely reflects that States have to allow the same rights to worship as they would under the 1st Amendment. This is how it should be and nothing prohibits their free exercise thereof. Having the 10 Commandments hanging in a public (and a slew of other such actions) does not constitute an Establishment of Religion. If so, what is the Religion Established due to the 10 Commandments depicted in the SCOTUS building and elsewhere? Christianity has been established for a couple thousand years, how could we establish it now, answer is, we can’t it is already established. What State or Federal religion has been ‘established’ through 250 years of depicting God on money, in our Courts, State Capitols and other actions during this period of time? None. That is not the goal. Free exercise of Religion is the goal, period.

      VN:F [1.9.6_1107]
      Rate this comment:
      Rating: 3.7/5 (3 votes cast)
  42. Pingback: Before It's News

  43. Pingback: You can pray... just not to Jesus

  44. Pingback: North Carolina Police Department Cracks Down on Prayer | International Human Rights Group

Leave a Comment





The Loft Archives

  • September 2014
  • 2014
  • 2013
  • 2012
  • 2011
  • 2010
  • Reference Pages

  • About
  • Network-wide options by YD - Freelance Wordpress Developer