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There's no such thing as a 'Holiday' Tree

By Bobby Eberle

It's quiz day at GOPUSA, and I'm hoping you will participate. The quiz is quite easy. Actually, I better not say that, because liberals have controlled education for decades. In any case, let's consider the three main "holidays" that are celebrated in late December. I put holidays in quotes because one of them was created by a single guy in the 1960s, so to me, that doesn't count, but I digress. I'm talking about Christmas, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa. Of those three, which one is symbolized (as one of many symbols) by a decorated pine tree?

So... still thinking about it? Are the gears in your head turning? Nope. You had the answer right away. It's Christmas. There is NO Hanukkah tree. There is certainly NO Kwanzaa tree! And yet, year after year as a way to drive Christianity out of Christmas and for liberals to "appear" inclusive, we see the phrase "holiday tree" being used to replace Christmas tree.

Of course, we all know that by doing so the "appearance" of inclusion gives way to the true intent: the EXCLUSION of the Christian meaning beyond a 100% Christian holiday.

In Rhode Island, Gov. Lincoln Chafee has deemed it inappropriate to call their state's decorated tall pine tree a Christmas tree. Yes... he did this all in the name of "inclusion." What other holiday was he trying to include?

Chafee insisted his word choice was inclusive and in keeping with Rhode Island's founding as a sanctuary for religious diversity. But his seasonal semantics incensed some lawmakers, the Roman Catholic Church and thousands of people who called his office to complain that the independent governor was trying to secularize Christmas.

"He's trying to put our religion down," said Ken Schiano of Cranston, who came to the tree lighting after hearing about the controversy. "It's a Christmas tree. It always has been and it always will be, no matter what that buffoon says it is."

In California, an elementary school is coming under fire, because it has banned poinsettias and Santa from the classroom. Why? Because the school doesn't want to offend anyone. Hello!!!! I'm offended!

Controversy is embroiling a California town over allegations that elementary school teachers have been told they cannot display poinsettias or Santa Claus in their classroom over fears that it might offend people.

"District office would like to remind everyone when displaying holiday decorations in and around school to be mindful no association to any religious affiliation i.e. Santa, poinsettias, Christmas trees, etc," read a document obtained by News 10 in Sacramento that was reportedly sent to teachers at Claudia Landeen Elementary School in Stockton, CA.

The same document said holiday decorations like snowmen and snowflakes were appropriate for grade school classrooms.

This is not just happening in California either. At a local elementary school in my neighborhood, parents volunteering to help with Christmas activities were given a memo that the theme would be a "Winter Wonderland" and a snowman would be the main feature. There would be no reference whatsoever to Christmas or Santa. Of course, in the lobby of this school is a big pine tree with decorations on it. A "holiday" tree, perhaps? It sure sounds like a Christmas tree to me.

This just shows how society is so messed up. We can't have a Christmas tree, but in Leesburg, VA, the county allowed the "artwork" of Jeff Heflin to be displayed outside the county courthouse. It's a display of Santa being crucified on a cross. But, of course, it's "constitutionally protected free speech." It seems like the only ones we care about protecting are those who would be offended by Christianity. That fact that Christians would be offended is not a big deal.

As one commenter noted on the story, if a cross were erected near the courthouse, it would be taken down. However, if you crucify a Santa on it, the display becomes protected "art." Pathetic.

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  1. mvjimoComment by mvjimo
    December 7, 2011 @ 9:30 am

    Isn’t is sad (and silly) that only the minority can be offended?

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    • commonsenseneededComment by commonsenseneeded
      December 7, 2011 @ 10:00 am

      It isn’t sad and silly, as much as it is another example of how our rights, liberties and freedoms, out of fear of “offending someone”! I’m someone, and I”m really offended at the blatant attempt to remove all Judeo-Christian symbols from our society. For decades an athiest group has been battling the citizens of San Diego County, over the presence of a cross on Mount Solidad, which is both a landmark, and a memorial to veterans. This battle has cost untold amounts of taxpayer money to defend against, and the athiests complaint is that the cross is on federal land. SO WHAT! I’m fed up with minorities telling the majority that they are offended by things we enjoy. If they don’t like it, they can choose to not look, or leave! I want my rights and liberties restored, and politicians with some kind of backbone, who don’t cave into minority demands!

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    • BuzzComment by Buzz
      December 7, 2011 @ 5:52 pm

      I have it!  If someone does not like our God, then let them go where they can like the Supreme being; if they do not like our flag, then let them leave this country, we will chip in and send them to the country that has the flag they do like; if they do not like our Christian way of life, then they can leave…case was open, now it is closed…get the hell out of America if you do not want to around what we stand for and that goes for Obummerbutt!

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  2. KAHR50Comment by KAHR50
    December 7, 2011 @ 9:34 am

    I suggest we make thousands of snow flakes shaped like crosses and snowmen with necklaces adorned with crosses to this school for the teachers to use…

    Anyone have the proper address?

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  3. Ben_ColderComment by Ben_Colder
    December 7, 2011 @ 9:36 am

    You are right. Evergreen trees symbolizes eternal life. Christianity is the only religion that believes in eternal life. We are celebrating the birth of Jesus. Merry Christmas.

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    • bapmannComment by bapmann
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:08 am

      What about Judaism, the religion Christianity sprang from?  What about Islam and all those virgins?

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    • s11111Comment by s11111
      December 7, 2011 @ 2:58 pm

      The evergreen tree symbolizes eternal life.  The red bows,  ribbons,  ornaments,  etc.. represent Jesus’s shedding of His blood for us on the cross.  The white garland and ornaments represent that Jesus’s blood washes us as white as snow.  The silver and gold decorations symbolize the gifts that were brought to the baby Jesus.  To all human beings who don’t know Christ as their Savior,  I want you to know that 1) I’m praying for your Salvation, 2) Just because you don’t believe in Him doesn’t mean He isn’t there, and 3) Just because you don’t love Him doesn’t mean that He doesn’t love you!  Merry Christmas everybody!  

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  4. thedoveComment by thedove
    December 7, 2011 @ 9:36 am

    Of course, the simple solution would be for the California legislators to pass a law changing the time of year poinsettias bloom, which is the reason they’re used in Christmas displays.  Hello, school district, it isn’t because they’re a religious symbol, it’s because they’re one of the few flowers with such bright colors in December, you dolts. Or, maybe you could simply implore Gaea, or whatever power you recognize (since it obviously isn’t God), to change the time they bloom.  That way, they’ll be simply green plants, and no one will want to use them.  Problem solved.

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    • bapmannComment by bapmann
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:10 am

      They also happen to be red and green, the accepted colors of Christmas.

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    • thedoveComment by thedove
      December 7, 2011 @ 12:13 pm

      Bapmann, you’re right, they are red and green, the colors of Christmas.  As are azaleas, camellias, peonies, roses and a host of other plants.  Therefore, all green plants that have red flowers should be banned from schools 12 months out of the year, lest they remind someone of Christmas.  Excellent point.

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  5. pcoxComment by pcox
    December 7, 2011 @ 9:46 am

    Well, we can’t have it both ways.  If Christmas is a religious holiday, it shouldn’t be hyped the way it is commercially and should not be a (secular) legal holiday.  Also, “Christmas trees” are a pagan symbol.  Let’s put Christ back in Christmas not into Walmart, schools or public buildings and treat the birth of the Saviour with the respect it deserves.  We are not a Christian country, we’re a secular country and we should remember that even if most of us claim to be Christian.

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    • bapmannComment by bapmann
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:12 am

      Christmas has become both secular and religious.  The word “holiday” is a contraction of the words “holy day,” so try as you might, you’re not going to get away from the religious aspect of it. And we can be a Christian nation without everyone being a Christian.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:36 am

       
      Liberals Like PeaCocks want no Christmas because the” Peace on Earth Good Will Toward Men” thing gets in the way of their Socialist Secular war on earth and ill will toward men their ideology propagates at every twist. Those inconvenient Christian truths shed light on their dark deceptive ideology so they must remove the lights from our minds and our trees and remove the very Green Christian spiritual growth to be replaced by their deceptive secular Green tree hugging worship of nature whose very laws they refute at every turn.

      America needs a holiday from THEM. I’d ask them since they do not believe in Christmas to work that day and not celebrate it,,,,but then they would actually have to get jobs and support themselves.
       

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    • TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
      December 7, 2011 @ 1:45 pm

      Sorry pcox, 

      America is a Christian country.  Our first immigrants came here to escape religious persecution.  A great revolutionary war was fought to secure our independence.  Fought by soldiers and officers firmly grounded in their Christian beliefs.  Our Constitution, ratafied by a group of men, most of whom, were Christian clergy.

      Our laws, and tennts are based on Judeo Christian principles and concepts.

      I am speaking to you as a Jew.  I thank G-d every day that the thousands of Jewish immigrants that came to this country, were able to enjoy the peace, freedom and religious tolerance, so hard fought for by our Christian founding fathers.

      I also thank G-d that this country has not yet become secular, where G-d is reviled and extracted from every walk of our lives, in the name of self. 

      I know all you liberals out there have this dream of a G-dless society, where by the only worship is the worship of one’s self and the right to determine what is right or wrong, moral or imoral, regardless of the harm done to others, by those decisions.

      I must admit, we are headed in that direction, but we have not gotten there yet. 

      Secular Progressivism must be stamped out at all costs, if we are to survive as a nation.

      Yes, the pine, or fir tree was originally a pagan symbol, but, the Christmas tree was incorporated into the Christian faith, as were many pagan symbols as as a way to draw the ancient Pagans into the Christian fold.  For thousands of years, these symbols have been an accepted part of the Christmas celebration.

      Yes, I think Christmas is too commercialized, but that’s another story, for another time.

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    • BuzzComment by Buzz
      December 7, 2011 @ 5:56 pm

      Consider this….God created the Earth, our planet; he thus created those creatures of the sea and of the heavens; he created all life and through time, species disappear and new appear for whatever reason; trees, flowers, flora in other words was also created by our God…so how did it become pagan may I ask?  Through the minds and activities of human beings that is how…just as is happening here , Obummerbutt says don’t and we don’t…when will we tell him and the Muslims to go to hell if they don’t like our countrty and we will help them find one that they will like.  That is fair, is it not?

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  6. ConnyComment by Conny
    December 7, 2011 @ 9:48 am

    Kwanza can continue to be (and is) celebrated with all kinds of kwazy things–like the Heidelberg Project in Detroit.  Think I’ll start my own holiday.  I’ll name is something like, oh, ‘Give To Conny Day.’  I’ll be creating jobs.  Hallmark will print more cards.

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    • commonsenseneededComment by commonsenseneeded
      December 7, 2011 @ 10:03 am

      Kwanza is a joke that has no real purpose, save to make blacks feel special. There is no Kwanza in Africa, wo why should we3 have it here?

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:43 am

      Kwanz is just one more attempt by unequal Liberals of unequal intelligence to demand one more unearned equality that serves not to elevate them to the level of the sublime, but to degrade the rest of us down to their level of the secular slime.

      It is Jesus who is the Reason for the season, Not one more politically correct non-reasoning African American “Feel Good” Imposter who only provides us with one more Winter Season of Discontent.

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  7. newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
    December 7, 2011 @ 9:53 am

    Anything that pertains to “Christ” including the word Christmas is now forbidden.  The mere concept in some states is “distasteful” while almost every sin in creation is being committed with immunity.  California is a literal Sodom and Gomorrah and houses thousands of so-called churches that worship Satan.  I’m surprised that anyone is allowed to even celebrate the holiday let alone have “holiday” trees.

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    • commonsenseneededComment by commonsenseneeded
      December 7, 2011 @ 10:09 am

      I have to agree with you! Crime is on the rise, everything from illegal drug production, sale and use, to casual murder (you hurt my feelings by rejecting me, so now I’m making sure you cease to enjoy life) that we see more and more of. And it isn’t just California, tho’ I must say, that much of the crime is committed by latino and samoan gangs that are vicious, and as territorial as wild dogs. Many have no moral compass, no sense of right and wrong, good or bad, and that is something a religious foundation always provided. This is one thing I do not understand about Islam. It proclaims to be a religion of peace, yet terrorist groups claims the Quran demands non-believers must be killed. How can that be a religion of peace?

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    • BuzzComment by Buzz
      December 7, 2011 @ 6:01 pm

      So much truth…even our flag is despised by man…the red stripes there were shed by men and women for freedom’s sake; Christ’s blood was shed for our souls; our soldiers, men and women died on hallowed ground, they died in the snow, leaving the carnage and blood behind them for the next wave of soldiers…that is what the white is for as well as being a statement of being a Christian nation….the stars and the blue, it is under our God-given skies that these people died for freedom.

      It angers me so to see the flag dishonored, desecrated like at Occupy; it make me angry that men and women have died for this Muslim and his like and continue to do so while the freak in chief sits back and puts his shoes upon the expensive desk that was given by France, holds drug parties in the W House and decorated it in Muslim decor..yep, you might say I am frothing at the mouth..consider the Constitution party and those that support our Constitution all the way.

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  8. onewildmanComment by onewildman
    December 7, 2011 @ 10:15 am

     I am definitely offended by this crud. Chafee nor the school has the right to change anything about Christmas or any symbols associated with it. They are nothing more than Godless scum. They are certainly sinning if they claim to be Christian. They are both denying their God and their religion. They are the equivalent of Judas.
     
     I have had many friends who were Jewish. Almost all of them participated in Christmas celebrations and never once complained. I have been wished a “Merry Christmas” by all of them as I have wished a “Happy Hanukkah”.
     
     I have never had any problems with any religion celebrating their holidays. It seems to me the only people offended are some atheist and most liberals. Liberals are nothing but thin skinned winning wimps. They think it is more important to offend offend hundreds of millions of Americans than to make one person feel uncomfortable. It occurs to me that non of these people, the school board and Chafee never learned that ” Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.”. 
     
     Now as for the removal of Santa Claus from class rooms. He dose not represent Christianity. He dose however embody the spirit selflessness and giving. I can’t for the life of me understand how anyone could be offended by that. These people have become so hooked on Political Correctness that they can’t see the hypocrisy in their actions. It almost seems as if they are trying to “one up” each other on political correctness. Hey look I’m more political correct than you.
     
    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! ! ! !

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  9. jenerseaComment by jenersea
    December 7, 2011 @ 10:22 am

    Just go along with the GOD less leadership in this country.  Forget about and destroy all memories that you have of Christmas and family life.  If they want you to have a life they will create it for you in the image of the god that they worship.  Evil days are here and they want you to believe that it is good.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:54 am

      Remove the face of Christ from the American image and America will cease to exist. We will become just one more degraded footnote in history. Just one out of many, instead of E PLURIBUS UNUM, ,,,out of many, one.

      These secular self-serving Judas goat Liberals would sell the very soul of America for 30 pieces of Christmas silver, to adorn the back of the mirrors which prevents them from seeing through to the Image of Christ, but only reflects back to themselves the image of who and what they truely worship.

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    • BuzzComment by Buzz
      December 7, 2011 @ 6:03 pm

      Ver;y sad indeed!

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  10. lwessonComment by lwesson
    December 7, 2011 @ 10:22 am

    The Founders of The Republic, if we wanted to seriously torture them, would be shown what has become of their creation.  There was NO intention for DIVERSITY, in peoples, culture nor religion.  Just the opposite.  It was said repeatably of the new Republic, that it’s strength lay in it’s similarities of people, culture, religion!
     
    So now we are having to argue time and again about things that at one time would seem ridiculous and out of a fictional nightmare tale.  The mad rush to REPLACE  We the People with countless aliens, many of whom are by their very culture, are most hostile, diverse sexuality, belief systems… but above all CHEAP LABOR, will now haunt us every Christmas as sure as Jacob Marley’s Ghost haunted Scrooge.  
     
    If, we as a Republic could only be Scrooge, with his ponderous chains encasing his soul.  The reclamation of a soul would be far easier than fixing the suicidal damage done to our Country. 
     
    It is a rich irony.  Scrooge likely would have been a most stout member of, The American Chamber of Commerce, supporting illegal immigration and the importation of cheap technical labor and the export of manufacturing to cheap labor countries.  A tidy profit to be made at no VISIBLE expense to him!  If this eventually resulted in complaints about Christmas trees, Santa, the Christ Child…, then no loss for him there, rather, a smug assurance that to be gone with such things would make for a more usable, manipulated, populace.
     
    Perhaps the Ghost of Christmas Future would show Scrooge, the very death of the country that he maintained his office in.  Sweeping uncontrollable crime, the collapse of his beloved currency, aliens, not ghosts, breaking down his very door, killing him and pawning his precious things.
     
    No, we are going to see this dissolving of Christmas more and more.  We have no one more to blame than our own most selfish greedy selves.  Our “chain” that we labor on, adding link by link and yard by yard, to haul endlessly about is so strong and heavy that it is doubtful that we can do much about it but drag it around until we expire into nothingness.  Merrie Christmas!

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    • BuzzComment by Buzz
      December 7, 2011 @ 6:05 pm

      Do this search…Are there two Constitutions…you will find, “yes” and now we are a Corporation where we are only chattel material..no rights for parents, nothing if the Government decides it is that way..Lincoln was our last President under the Republic.  One little word forever changed what America was settled under, how and why.

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      December 7, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

      Look Buzz, Lincoln was the first President, who dissolved the Republic.  3 thousand Journalists, arrested…, near a million dead, the first fire of Gatling Gun against anti war protesters… .  Lincoln was the the final destructor of our friggen, Republic!  The Fraud, that presides as Leadership of the nation, now, has of the GOP, continued lie’s and now has put us into a position of the Fraud Obama winning another 4 very destructive years! 
       
      Burn in Hell Newt as you will find eventually, lots of company.
       
      Insane!

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  11. TexannaComment by Texanna
    December 7, 2011 @ 10:30 am

    I personally detest Michael Quinn Sullivan, but he is right on this issue. If children in school are to celebrate winter holidays, schools should be honest about what the holidays are.  Santa and poinsettias aren’t religious symbols.  The only association I can think of with snowmen is that awful “Frosty the Snowman” movie.  It’s ironic they are using snowflakes and snowmen in Houston and Sacramento, places where snow is a rare event.

    If schools are trying to change Christmas and Hanukkah celebrations to midwinter celebrations, they should be reminded that winter solstice celebrations also have their roots in religion.

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  12. bonofbabbleComment by bonofbabble
    December 7, 2011 @ 10:42 am

    I am a teacher in a California high school.  NO name or city please — I need my job.

    My room is throughly decorated with symbols of Christmas — two Merry Christmas banners, three very large images of Santa, a small lighted Christmas tree on my desk, another one on top of a file cabinet plus a menagerie of small stuffed toy santas scattered around the room.  ON the windows are “Merry Christmas” and “Happy Holidays” along with a gel cut-out of santa, his reindeer and sleigh. I have also strung Christmas lights around the bulletin boards and windows.  I do this every year and have done it for over two decades.  My colleague, a true rebel, has a Christmas sing along with her students every year.

    Neither of us have been called into the Komissar’s office and made to answer for our heresy.

    Guess what?  The kids and their parents LOVE it.  I had BETTER NOT BE TOLD TO TAKE ANYTHING DOWN or STOP PLAYING CHRISTMAS MUSIC IN MY ROOM!

    Anyone “offended” by Christmas should be run out of the United States!  If I were to say I were offended by Kwanzaa I would lose my job!

    But, I fear when I retire in a few years, my colleague too, from the looks of things, I think Christmas WILL be eradicated in the schools.

    My advice?  Home school your children.  Take them out of the government schools, do it today, and don’t look back. 

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:01 am

      Used to teach in Public Ed myself.  Funny, I said of “The Office” the same per Kommissar.  And then there is my personal dossier file that is likely thick with my questioning so much of the garbage passed around.  I got out before Christmas was something that would sent you out the door and into the streets and under bridges.  Charming, this DIVERSITY thing isn’t it?
       
      Home school or good private schools I recommended many many a time.  Merrie Christmas!

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    • BuzzComment by Buzz
      December 7, 2011 @ 6:08 pm

      Well written and yes, get your children and grandchildren out of school.  A lot of taking America back is based on that for in the government schools they are only taught what the government allows and that is not what our Country is about at all, nor how it was settled…they need to know in order to have a passion to work to save it, believe in it and carry our banner forward into battle with us.

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  13. brucefeherComment by Bruce Feher
    December 7, 2011 @ 10:50 am

    I AM a minority! I’m left handed, white, blond haired and blue eyed! MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      December 7, 2011 @ 10:56 am

      Indeed you are Mister Feher!  Like me, it is wished by many, that we fade away and that is the nice way to say it. 
       
      MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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    • BuzzComment by Buzz
      December 7, 2011 @ 6:11 pm

      I am a breed, not African American, Native American, yet, I don’t go out and demean the pale eyes for what they did to us; instead, I sit back, work hard for the country moving back to what it was..I am going to do something that I must be insane to do..run for the US House of Representatives..no great political experience, just kind of like Joe the Plumber and that is what we need to take the nation back..flush all these career and professional politicians down the sewer of no job and get our country back.

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    • BUCKEYEFANComment by BUCKEYEFAN
      December 9, 2011 @ 2:00 pm

      Mr. Feher, I am also a minority….More so that you perhaps….I am a white female, white haired, blue eyed, senior citizen…..I think my kind are on the bottom of the heap….
       
      MERRY CHRISTMAS
       

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  14. btwenty9Comment by btwenty9
    December 7, 2011 @ 11:20 am

    I guess I will have to be the Christian fundamentalist. Christmas trees are a pagan symbol of everlasting life, they was used to celebrate the winter solstice, “Christmas” is not in the Bible; it is the Roman tradtion of Saturnalia which had the parties, red and green decorations, and gift exchanging. The first followers of Jesus were Jewish and they didn’t ”celebrate” birthdays.
    Sorry but this “holiday” never belonged to God, it may have had good intentions but hell is paved with them.
    BTW do you know that the first National and White House Christmas trees weren’t until the 1920′s, that’s how devout this nation was to God and His Law. 

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    • JMDComment by JMD
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:33 am

      No, the word “Christmas” is not in the Bible.  It was compiled from the title “Christ,” and the Old English word “mas,” which means “feast.”  So it was the feast of Christ’s birth.  And as for the fact that the tree originated as a pagan tradition, consider the times.  Christians had to disguise their celebrations, so they made it LOOK like they were celebrating the Roman holiday.  Over time, the pagan symbols took on Christian meanings.  That’s called “inculturation,” and it’s fully licit, not sinful.  The original pagan meanings of these things have been largely forgotten today, and only the Christian meaning remains. 
      To repeat:  It is never sinful to imbue a once-pagan symbol with a Christian meaning.  What it did, and does, is stamp out the paganism.  Christ wants us to be joyful in His season, but a strict approach takes all the joy OUT of it.  If He were walking this earth today, he’d probably tell you to “Lighten up!”  ;D

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:43 am

      Cromwell, is that you?
       
      Early Christians were wise enough to see that kicking, smashing everything that was not in the Bible, in the teeth, did not endear those who heard the WORD but rather, caused more problems than not.  Taking the better elements of the various traditions did not make for Hell.  That is silly.  Rather, it added light to the bleakness and helped opened shut up hearts to the Word of God. 
       
      Thankfully, Europe solidified under Christ, as Pagans alone were not even remotely, strong enough to repel the sweeping Muslim hoards, in much of Europe but sadly, not in the Middle East.  Likewise, it is very doubtful that from what I have seen of the dower self described fundamentalists, that they could have thwarted the Muslim invasions.
       
      I will take, I dare say, A Christmas Carol and Nephew Fred’s retort to the dark and chilly Mister Scrooge, as the good that Christmas has done us, one and all.  God bless us, everyone!  Tim

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    • btwenty9Comment by btwenty9
      December 7, 2011 @ 12:02 pm

      This is what Jesus would say (and said):
       6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:   ‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. 7 ‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’ 
       8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” 9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.

      It was never His season and he will never bless sin. The pagan reasons may be forgotten but the practices are followed almost exactly.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      December 7, 2011 @ 4:14 pm

      Christ came not to obviate the scriptures and universal truths but to fulfill them, Like Peace on earth good will toward men, and the renewal of the seasons as edified in the ever green Christmas tree. It is the season of light and the birth of the new year dawn and lengthening day of illumination which is what his birth signifies. To celebrate any other day makes as much sense as believing his words “Feed my Sheep” meant anything but the living bread and water of his truth, not the enslaving welfare nonsense of the tainted Liberal handout that Liberals think make THEM God.

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    • btwenty9Comment by btwenty9
      December 7, 2011 @ 4:30 pm

      There are conservative Christians and liberal christians where do you fall?
      Adopting pagan symbolism and tradition doesn’t do much to shine the truth into the world of our Islamic and Judaic neighbors….or is it all about us and the joy of santa for the kiddies?   

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    • FreeDameComment by freedame
      December 7, 2011 @ 5:22 pm

      Read your Bible.  Perhaps the Jews didn’t celebrate birthdays, but they most certainly DID celebrate holidays.   In fact, quite a large number of “festivals” and “feasts” were ordered by God, including celebrations of the new moon, planting and harvest.  Also, not everything the pagans did was sinful, and therefore it is not sinful for us to take up some of their traditions.  The vast majority of pagans were not evil, merely uninformed.  The Catholic Church (which was a disaster in many respects) was quite correct in allowing the new converts to keep some of their old traditions, particularly when Godly worship could be grafted into them.

      You need to cool your jets a little, btwenty9, and not be so quick to judge.

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  15. letmethinkComment by letmethink
    December 7, 2011 @ 11:27 am

     

    The old rights in the Constitution must be absolete and have been replaced by the
    ‘right to privacy’ and the ‘right not to be offended’.
      

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  16. rosechComment by rosech
    December 7, 2011 @ 11:28 am

    Thanks to Germans, we have the tree and it is the tree of Christmas and represents the holiday which means Holy Day which other customs/faiths do not have nor acknowledge.  Gee, people, where are the brains that honor everyone but Christ but offend us and not anyone else?  Santa came from St. Nicholas, a Christian who honored Christmas and our Savior’s birth.  Snowmen?  In hot parts of our country, there isn’t any snow and it doesn’t represent anything but our getting frozen noses and hands constructing one.  Unfortunately, those who hate the Christmas reason and season, love it for the money they make selling stuff most people do not need or want.  How about that reasoning for the season.  Stupid is as stupid does.  Why do people buys trees so early just to watch them die and shed needles?  I was raised to do the 12 day of Christmas and still do, so my tree is truly representative of Christmas and not crazy running around to get stuff that you should have bought when needed and not try to impress anyone, just yourself.  Ah, greed and stupidity make a fine pair, don’t they.  If the minority are unhappy about using the word Christmas, then they should worry about the word “Holiday” as well.  They can celebrate anything they want, just get your grubby hands off my Christmas and the reason for the season!  You are sooo petty and ignorant, it isn’t even funny just sad and sick.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      December 7, 2011 @ 4:23 pm

      They Just are too ignorant to understand that;

      Christ + Mass = Christ’s mass = Christmas

      Holy + Day = Holiday

      Hello Liberals! Does your brain dwell on the same planet as Barney Frank = Uranus??

      When you say happy holiday instead of Merry Christmas you are still validating the Christian faith whose American origins they would rewright out of our HIStory to be sliced and diced like some neutered trangendered HERstory

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  17. edlamanceComment by edlamance
    December 7, 2011 @ 11:33 am

    We are a Christian country. That’s why we are tolerant and guarantee freedom to worship any religion. If you do not believe in the catholicity of Christianity, it’s your loss.

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  18. iratdComment by iratd
    December 7, 2011 @ 11:34 am

    MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night..

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      December 7, 2011 @ 4:32 pm

      ‘And God Damn Us Every one, Tiny Tim

      Signed his most excellent Reverand Obama Christian Instructor
       - Jeremiah Wright   

      Who like his disoriented Pupil is WRONG not Wright

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  19. JMDComment by JMD
    December 7, 2011 @ 11:37 am

    Just like all so-called “inclusive” language, it ends up EXcluding someone.  Look at the so-called “gender-neutral” language that has been mandated by the PC nazis.  Am I the only one who’s noticed that a female chair or speaker or is called a chairwoman or a spokeswoman, but a male is still called chairPERSON and spokesPERSON?  And that’s not the only example.  It’s as if any word denoting a man is forbidden, but its okay for us to throw our femininity in everyone’s face.  Puh-LEEZE! 

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  20. middlegroundComment by middleground
    December 7, 2011 @ 11:38 am

     
    This nation was founded as a Christian nation with a set of guidelines called the Constitution and Bill of Rights that applied to all citizens equally. We outlawed a state religion and said religion and government should be separate. We have, however, drifted far from ideals of the founding fathers and their definition of a society ruled by laws rather than by a privileged aristocracy who had a different set of laws and rules. These founders would be appalled at how the country has drifted into encouraging and rewarding the Seven Deadly Sins. For example, a single mother is awarded entitlements, but a married couple are not. This is rewarding lust. What I heard Rev. Wright preaching was hate and envy. We have a government dedicated to creating bubbles of greed with housing bubbles, credit card bubbles, derivative bubbles, student loan bubbles, diploma bubbles and every other scheme to buy voter support for a non-productive economy. We have invented several new types of gluttony and what is “victim rights”, but envy of others who have more than you have. Work has become what others do, not our privileged youth who qualify for money on the basis of need rather than earned merit.Religions now preach policies whose costs are passed to the taxpayer and that is certainly a violation of the 1st amendment.
    Every bumper sticker slogan of the last 50 years has been designed by our enemies to destroy our society by dividing us along class, race, language and cultural lines, and they’ve done a great job of dumbing down our society and creating a compassion for standing still. We have one political party that seems to believe that by appealing to the envy, greed and hatreds of five different groups of “so called victims” they can stay in power forever and so far they’ve been successful at dividing us into groups comprising “self-defined victims” rather than individuals striving for success.  

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    • pcoxComment by pcox
      December 7, 2011 @ 11:52 am

      We were NOT founded as a Christian nation.  The Founding Fathers had enough of religion mixing with government.  They came from a place where the head of state was also the head of the established church.  They were sick of it. They wished a pluralistic society where every person had the right to worship (or not) as he or she saw fit.  That’s why the Constitution doesn’t mention Moses, the Ten Commandments,  Jesus or God.  Even the Declaration of Independence does’t mention “God” it uses “Creator” which allowed every person to pick his own god.  Christians can live a Christian life in this country, but it doesn’t make it a Christian country.

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    • yougottabekiddingmeComment by yougottabekiddingme
      December 7, 2011 @ 12:14 pm

      @pcox.   Normally I do not resort to name calling, but my gosh you are perhaps the most ignorant person I have seen on this site.   I do not know who taught you history, but you need to do a little research and solve this debate for yourself.  Now I am going to be polite. Please, do yourself a big favor and read Madison (the architect of the Bill of Rights), Jefferson, Washington, etc., in their words, not some regurgitated liberal orthodoxic garbage, and then come back and tell me if you still believe.  Read the Federalist vs. Anti-Federalist debates.  I am hoping, that even with a closed mind, you will see the truth.  You have been subjected to years of historical rewrites. 

        

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      December 8, 2011 @ 9:48 am

       
      Pcox,,,read your Constitution and understand,,”Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names.”
       
       Just who was it that they all affixed their name to, to declare who their Lord was born 1787 years earlier? Hello! It was Jesus Christ.”

      Let those who have ears hear,,,,let those who have eyes see. You my friend like many Americans have been blinded to the truth by the dark Liberal deceivers. Go to the light and live.   
       

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  21. yougottabekiddingmeComment by yougottabekiddingme
    December 7, 2011 @ 12:08 pm

    Is anyone mindful of what is happening here?  First it was Jesus – no Nativity Scenes and no Easter.  Then it was Christmas Trees.  Okay – it has the word “Christ” in it.  Now, it is Santa Claus and poinsettias (flowers?).  Although snowflakes and snowmen are okay – I frggin guarantee they will be on the PC hit list within the next 5 years. 

    People around our nation MUST stand up to this PC nonsense gone mad. 

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    • BuzzComment by Buzz
      December 7, 2011 @ 6:15 pm

      This country was settled on the Principles of the Christian Bible…Christianity and religion have different meanings…truly it does..Christianity is the way of life that Christ taught, religion is a small bureaucracy……….of which each and every denomination have their own set of…whatever they are called.  For interest some dialogue further check this out NCC and WCC and relate it to the UN and what it is doing…the Pope is heavily involved as you will see…it is deep, so think about it as you read and it is long!

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  22. billwvComment by billwv
    December 7, 2011 @ 12:18 pm

    The Christian holy days have been replaced by secular holidays.  Notable are Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, and Halloween.  In the KJ Bible:  Romans 1:23 “And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.”  Notice Christmas: Santa Claus [corruptible man]; Thanksgiving [birds] now Turkey Day; Easter [four footed beasts]  bunny rabbits; Halloween [creeping things].  Each holy day has been replaced by a holiday which erodes the very foundation of the Christian faith. 

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    • BuzzComment by Buzz
      December 7, 2011 @ 6:17 pm

      Don’t you just love it when Thanksgiving is totally ignored and Christmas is out two weeks before Halloween because retailers are afraid they might miss out on the almighty dollar..totally wrong and Christmas is not for this outrageous behavior …

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  23. jb80538Comment by jb80538
    December 7, 2011 @ 12:42 pm

    My feeling is that if you are offended, it’s because you’ve chosen to be offended.

    ****! You’re a very small minority.

    Merry Christmas.

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    • billwvComment by billwv
      December 8, 2011 @ 6:16 pm

      I’m afraid the One offended by the secular X-mas is the One people had better prepare to reckon with !

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    • BUCKEYEFANComment by BUCKEYEFAN
      December 9, 2011 @ 10:57 am

      ROFLOL….I like the way you think jb….Merry CHRISTmas to you as well…..

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  24. NHGuyComment by NHGuy
    December 7, 2011 @ 1:00 pm

    I’ve never deliberately gone out of my way to “offend” people. I refuse to walk on eggs and muzzle my speech ”just in case” someone is offended by anything I say. If they’re offended, it’s more their problem and not my problem.

    I love this time of year. Whenever I’m wished ”Happy Holidays” I smile and say “And a Merry Christmas to you, too!”. Invariably, the majority of the “Happy Holidayers” smile back. No one has smashed me in the mouth yet (although my wife insists it’ll happen eventually)!

    “Merry Christmas” in French is “Joyeux Noël”, “Noël”, of course, the name of the birth day of Christ; in Spanish, it’s “Feliz Navidad”, “Happy Nativity”, and guess whose “nativity” is being referred to!

      

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  25. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    December 7, 2011 @ 1:58 pm

    A compromise that worked.

    I very much objected to my local school completely devoting itself to Christmas, and I offered an alternative. I ‘borrowed’ from Walt Disney, ‘It’s a Small World’.
    Have each class select a country, and design its part of the production accordingly. Using songs, dance, costume and foods. It worked just fine.

    For those who like to reference Jefferson, read his ‘Statute of Religious Freedom’, and his statements that he would veto any bill that provided government funds to ANY religion.

    Being aware, and knowledgeable, of ALL religions should be a part of secular education. But there is a big difference in being educated and being inculcated. Leave the inculcation to parochial schools, keep it out of the public schools.

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    • Gabrielle SymeComment by DimDrumsThrobbingInTheHillsHalfHeard
      December 7, 2011 @ 4:38 pm

      @Mort: RIGHT!  That’s fine! Let ALL religions be a part of a secular education.  But do not, not, not neglect the Christian one whilst you’re teaching about the ‘wonders’ of all the others. 
       
      The problem is just this: the “I’m so open-minded my brains have fallen out” liberals are not as aware and knowledgeable as they think they are. They trip over themselves to present every religion but Christianity (and, for the most part, Judaism as well) as some wonder to behold, but cannot be quick enough to censure anything that comes close to acknowledging the religion that shaped and formed the modern world as we know it.  Yes, we know that the Muslims gave us “0″ in math, but let’s ignore the Church that gave us the university, art, architecture, economics, international law, western law, charity for the poor, etc., etc.
       
      Regarding Jefferson, please educate yourself on what the Establishment Clause truly is. I don’t think that calling it a “Christmas tree” can be remotely equated with the US government **establishing a religion**. Anyway, since tax dollars are used to provide footbaths for Muslims, then let Christians call it a CHRISTMAS TREE without persecution!

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  26. gwynnComment by gwynn
    December 7, 2011 @ 1:59 pm

    Perhaps the Stockton School District should read the Prime Minister of Australias’ comments on attemps to subvert founding values of that country. 

    W O W !
    She Did It Again!

    Australia

    says NO — Second Time she has done this!

    She sure isn’t backing down on her hard line stance and one has to appreciate her belief in the rights of her native countrymen.

    A breath of fresh air to see someone lead.Australian Prime Minister does it again!

    The whole world needs a leader like this!

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard – Australia

    Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

    Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques. Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT… Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’

    ‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.’

    ‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!’

    ‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’

    ‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’

    ‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’

    ‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted
        

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      December 7, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

      She has my vote for President IF she was, one, born here and two if she was running for office. 
       
      We need a Margret Thatcher, not some mealy mouthed smart guy who will coif his words for any crowd that happens to be the “soup de jour”!

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      December 7, 2011 @ 9:47 pm

       
       
       
       
       
       
      A stake of Holly trough their lifeless hearts and boiled in their own pudding.  Humbug to the negative stars, all!   Humbug!   Rather nasty pudding I should dare say.  oops  negative starS!  DAMN YOU ALL!  HA!–Scrooge

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    • teapartyproudComment by teapartyproud
      December 7, 2011 @ 9:59 pm

      I love that attitude and stance. That’s exactly the way it should be!

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  27. lizazComment by lizaz
    December 7, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

    It’s a Christmas tree and will always be a Christmas tree.  We refuse to frequent any business who is so misguided they don’t recognize Christmas, except to sell, sell, sell.  If someone says “Happy Holidays” to me, I ask them “what holiday?” to see if they will say “Christmas”.  We stopped using Target years ago because they refused to allow the Salvation Army Red Kettle people to stand outside their store..how dumb can you be????

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      December 7, 2011 @ 3:16 pm

      lizaz, My local Target did the same thing. I went in and complained about it and they have been their since. I’m sure i was not the only one. There is one place I will not visit for that reason. The Ontario Mills Mall will not allow the Salvation Army there. They say it’s because they have fountains inside that people throw money in and it is given to local schools. I think that was the reason they gave. It’s been several years since it was built. The other thing is I would bet that a lot of that money goes right in someones pocket every day of the week. If people will steel money from Jerry’s kids what would stop them from steeling from a fountain.
       
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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  28. Marc JericComment by Marc Jeric
    December 7, 2011 @ 3:34 pm

    I am a former refugee from a communist hell; there Christmas was replaced by “Granpa Ice”.

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  29. Comment by Carrie Washburn-Donnelly
    December 7, 2011 @ 3:40 pm

    Christ-mas is actually not Christian in origin, the pagans want it back.
    Tell me what does the tree have to do with Christ? What do any of the Christmas traditions have to do with Christ? Do you think God cares about the tree, really? Do you think this time of year means anything to an eternal God who wants your heart EVERY SINGLE DAY? The only thing Santa Clause has done is helped return Christmas to its greedy pagan lustful materialistic origins. Let the pagans have their earthly tree, we have the Messiah.

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  30. buffalobeeveComment by buffalobeeve
    December 7, 2011 @ 4:02 pm

    While I agree with the majority of statements above, I do what little I can to keep Christmas. I have not attended ONE event that has eliminated Christmas from its name. I would love to go to a Christmas Parade, however all I ever hear about is Festival of Lights, Parade of Lights, Winter Lights, etc. I do Not shop for “Holiday Pies” Never have never will. If any store advertised Holiday sales, etc, I boycott, Only stores that post promote or advertise Christmas gifts.  No wonder sales are down, the blandness of the”holiday” is so dull, who could get excited.  Put Christ back in Christmas and watch how our Christmas season changes things.  Yes, Christmas is too commercialized.
    Those who are intolerant need to leave the USA. We were founded on religious freedom.  It was Gods gift to those who believed. Why do you think the USA was so great and now why do you think society is so full of woe.  
    God Bless the USA and Thank God, Jesus is the reason for the season! 
    Merry Christmas and Peace on Earth Good Will to all Men and Women. 
     

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  31. Gabrielle SymeComment by DimDrumsThrobbingInTheHillsHalfHeard
    December 7, 2011 @ 4:22 pm

    Thank you, Mr Eberle. Just last week, my husband came home with the base paper from the AF installation where he works. All over the front of the paper was information about the “Holiday Tree” lighting. My first explosive remarks were that I was sooooo very glad that they’d decided to roll together the Christmas tree, the Hanukkah tree, the Ramadan tree, the Dwali tree, and the Kwanzaa tree all into one.

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  32. Comment by ******* Lee
    December 7, 2011 @ 4:29 pm

    It’s “Hannukah Bush, not holiday tree but it’s Merry CHRISTMAS for everyone from little old me! Good Column, Bobby.

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  33. snattlerakeComment by snattlerake
    December 7, 2011 @ 5:39 pm

    The other holiday he wanted to include must have been Arbor Day; because, as mentioned, there is no Hanukkah tree, and Kwanzaa is a figment of someone’s imagination…

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  34. Comment by Pat Veretto
    December 7, 2011 @ 5:41 pm

    Excellent column. Yes, it’s a Christmas tree. Just like a menorah is a menorah. In a truly enlightened society, there is room for both… just like it used to be.

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  35. kathyComment by kathy
    December 7, 2011 @ 5:41 pm

    First, I agree that it’s silly to change “Christmas tree” to “Holiday tree”, and that allowing them to appear on public property is not necessarily equivalent to establishing Christianity as the official religion of the U.S.  It’s only a visible and highly emotional rallying point that politicians and activists can utilize to whip the public into a frenzy.  For those of us worried about people trying to sneak around the back door and establish an official religion, many other things, such as DOMA are MUCH more dangerous and closer to accomplishing that EVIL goal — not to mention unconstitutional.  Even so, there are some misrepresentations and errors in this article.

    1)  Santa may once have been a semi-religious figure, but in today’s American society he is a secular symbol.  In fact, it wasn’t so many years ago that “Christian” ultra-conservatives were bemoaning the widespread use of Santa as a Christmas symbol as a terrible thing because it “secularized” and “commercialized” Christmas and “hid the true meaning” of the season.  He was seen as a sign of the commercialization of a basically religious season.  So, now that he is being restricted, suddenly he is a Christian symbol in need of protection. Flip-flop much? For that same reason, I see no cause for him to be removed from public property, but that’s another issue.

    2)  The decorated evergreen tree, along with most of our other “Christian” Christmas symbolism — aside perhaps from the star – was originally a pagan symbol for the winter Solstice.  When the Catholic church began spreading Christianity into the region that became the British Isles, they were met with huge resistance as the people (not surprisingly or only through ignorance — unless today’s people are also ignorant …) preferred to stay with their known gods and practices.  To make the new religion more acceptable, the Church took over the old symbols and imbued them with new meanings.  

    We all need to take a step back and THINK rather than letting people with agendas manipulate us by playing on our emotions.  Decorate your own space or not as you will.  Say “Merry Christmas” to all you meet — or “Happy Hannukkah” or “Happy Kwanzaa” or “Bah! Humbug!”, or even, “Happy Holidays” — and accept whatever the other person says back in the spirit in which it is meant.  Getting all bent out of shape and hostile over the means of expression seems to me to do MUCH more harm to the “meaning” of the season — peace, love, and joy in the birth of the Savior — than ANY amount of restricting the decoration could ever do.  If Christianity survived in the U.S.S.R., I figure it can survive and thrive when the only restriction is that you can’t put lights on the Courthouse.

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  36. CharieComment by Charie
    December 7, 2011 @ 5:55 pm

    Mort, do you actually not see any difference between erecting a Christmas tree in a classroom and providing funds to any religion?

    I’ve used this analogy before – A rather well-known Chinese pianist came to this country and was interviewed by a reporter.  When he told what his program would be the reporter wondered why he didn’t have any Bach in his repertoire.  The pianist asked who Bach was.  Because Bach wrote religious music it was forbidden in China at the time.

    That can be compared to limiting Christianity and Judaism  to their churches and temples.  This would be a huge part of human history hidden away and to what purpose?

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    • Mort_fComment by Mort_f
      December 7, 2011 @ 7:16 pm

      Charie, and just what species of tree would you place in that classroom, and with what would you decorate it? And who sould pay for that tree and its decorations? When it is finished it may be a ‘work of art’, but it will defiitely be a religious symbol, pertaining to just one religion. As others have pointed out, the fir tree has no relationship to Jesus Christ, it does not exist in the middle east, but ithas become symbolic of Christianity.

      I have no problem with objective taeching about ALL religions in the public scools. A difficult subject to stay objective about. But I do have a problem when public schools teach religion. Btw, I have no problem with Wagner, even though his music was adopted by the NAZIs.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      December 8, 2011 @ 10:53 am

      Hey Mort_f, First the Christmas tree does not represent the establish a government religion. Second when I was growing up the teacher paid for the trees in classrooms if there was one and the decorations were provided by the students if they wanted to. Third we also observed Hanukkah in the class rooms. The only person I ever saw not participate was my best friend who was a Jehovah Witness. He still accepted the Christmas present I gave him each year. 
       I don’t see anything wrong with this practice. Christmas is more of a cultural thing now even my Jewish friends give Christmas presents. It’s about the spirit of giving and forgiving, promoting peace on earth and goodwill to all the peoples of the world. Regardless of race or religion. I don’t know of any other holiday that compares in that aspect. If there is I would have no problem with anyone celebrating it.
       
        As for public schools teaching about all religions. I agree, but when I was in high school they did offer two classes in religion. Western religions and Eastern religions. They do offer good incites to how and why people act the way they do.
       
       One last thing. I dot not see how any religious symbol on government property is an establishment of a government religion. This is nothing more than trying to remove all religion from the public view. Soon to be replaced by government forced liberalism.
       
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !
       

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  37. freedomfighterComment by freedomfighter
    December 7, 2011 @ 6:51 pm

    If Santa Claus being crucified on a cross is a expression of free speech, shouldn’t then Santa in a sleigh, or a Christmas tree also be defined as exercising free Speech?.
    NO, it’s a one way world in which we now live, OBAMA”S WORLD, OBAMA’S IDEALS, OBAMA’S CHANGING OF AMERICA INTO WHAT HE WANTS IT TO BE. With the Ignorant, conveniently blind and deaf following tugging on his coat tails, he transforms it without opposition. I bet you a ton, if we were flies on the walls of many homes who profess to believe as Obammer does about Christmas, we would see Christmas tree, presents, and hear people saying merry Christmas.
    Does anyone with a single grain of intellect honestly believe that magically overnight, all Democrats, the media, and all left leaning persuasions decided that, yes, Obammer is right, there should be no Christmas, God, Santa, or Christmas trees?. I so think not. At least a large percentage of these people still believe in God, and Christmas, but when out from behind the confines of their castle walls they cannot, because it would possibly offend maybe a person or two, and certainly the dictator wannab whom they wish so much, for some unknown reason, to please.
    They have to, at least in the presence of the almighty one, put on their hate all about Christmas, God, and America clothes to retain his favor. This is insanity, the Nation must change because Obummer says so?. He is so far left, he is touching the right on the other side. This wannab dictator needs to be stopped before he takes away everything we hold dear and Sacred. What happened to land of the free?. What happened to our rights, which seem to be surrendered to the Politically Correct persuasion?
    I love America, but hate what is becoming of it. Most of all, I hate the fact that it can be so easily transformed into a Nation to suit a single individual and the blind followers he has helping him push his Hate America Agenda. I know all Christians can see the writings of Revelation beginning to unfold, and I know when the trumpet sounds that all who have followed Evil will get that which God has told will befall them. Be sure you have not fallen to the whims of he who destroys America and tries to build it in his own image. Your very Souls are at stake.

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  38. wdjincComment by wdjinc
    December 7, 2011 @ 8:54 pm

    The so-called ‘politically correct’ buffoons are stealing Christmas. Thank the anti-religious  ACLU, wimpy politicians, wimpy retailers and minority atheists for the ‘Happy Holiday’ thing and ‘Holiday Tree’ thing. We (the majority) need to stand up and make our voices heard loud and clear…it’s Christmas…leave it alone.

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  39. westytxComment by westytx
    December 7, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

    I guess the Pilgrims weren’t “social right wingers”.  They called Christmas anti-religious, and banned the “heathens from any activities of celebration.  Didn’t the Pilgrims come here to GET AWAY from religious restraints?
    Oh, and the Fore Fathers and Congress didn’t think so highly of “a religious Christmas” either.  They actually WORKED on Christmas day the first 6o something years of this new nation.
    I guess, it took the NEW Federal Congresses to figure out that Christmas is REALLY good for days off (with pay)  IF you make it some kind of religious big deal.
    So I guess the real truth is it doesn’t matter if it’s the “holiday tree” or the “Christmas tree” – as long as it is “time off with pay”.  And the social war to “preserve” Christmas, just tracks back to money. 
    Just like the famous quote from Deep Throat himself,  “To get to the truth – follow the money”.
     

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  40. freedomfighterComment by freedomfighter
    December 8, 2011 @ 12:05 am

    I have no qualms with any religion practicing their own faith, beliefs, or any type of celebratory functions they may use, or have In that religion no matter what it is. I believe in freedom of religion, and I think there is no religion which can say theirs is the only religion.
    I do have problems, however, with any religion or group of people with no religion at all, telling me I can not celebrate mine in the manner to which I am accustomed.I would bet that for every one person you talk to which has distaste for Christmas, Christmas trees, or God, you would find 19 who are content with it.
    As I stated in another post, I would like to be invisibly in the homes on Christmas day of those who talk down Christmas. I would bet there would likely be a Christmas Tree, Christmas Dinner, Present openings, and cheer to those families and their friends. How many of the Democrats, and far left who side with Obummer actually do not celebrate Christmas since the master decided it is not what he wants for America?. Openly they cannot, for fear of his anger towards them, but I imagine in their homes, they take on a whole different attitude.
    Hate Christmas if you so choose, but do not tell me I have to hate it, or not celebrate it just because the God syndrome President doesn’t wish it. He has, supposedly, all the Democrats, and all the left leaning factions, and the media, with him against this timely American tradition. I just have to wonder what all these people after celebrating Christmas with their Children and Families for so many years, now tell their kids when Christmas comes. I cannot believe, that many people can just decide they don’t want to celebrate Christmas anymore, just because Abnormal Obama, likely muslim,  Dictator wannab decides it is not good for them or America any more. How can you change the minds of millions of people in just a few months, simply because you want them to deny Christmas. Is this even possible?.

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  41. mcrankComment by mcrank
    December 8, 2011 @ 6:09 pm

    Crucify these moronic legislators who obviously do not have one single functioning brain cell inside their thick skulls.

    Excuse me—free speech applies to all of us—we are all American citizens—paying taxes—providing them with employment and benefits which they turn around and use against us.  They don’t like for their minority supporters, social misfits, and alternative belief practitioners to be ridiculed and ostracized and denied preferential treatment because it’s “unconstitutional”—it infringes on their “rights”.

    And so, to correct this “problem”—to make ammends for this “atrocity” that these arrogant, Godless, mindless idiots are being subjected to—they take it upon themselves to temper our long-standing values, morals, ideals, and faith and find error in their application and meaning—and take aim at these hostile and intolerant Christians by ruling against their established customs and practices—by none other than silencing them by denying them————free speech——–freedom of expression.

    Proof positive that it has nothing whatsoever to do with rights and free speech in the first place—it’s all about societal upheaval, blasphemy of God, and their own intolerance of Christian principles—which this country was founded upon—which have been in place for centuries.  Somhow, today’s political upstarts seem to think we have been doing it all wrong for too long.

    Newsflash—this is the way we do things here.  You wanna live here—you abide by it.  Go to some other country and try to pull this crapola.  You don’t like Dodge—get the hell outa Dodge.

    And Merry Christmas to every d–n one of ya.

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  42. freedomfighterComment by freedomfighter
    December 9, 2011 @ 3:28 am

    Very simply take a vote to see who does, and who does not want a Christmas tree, and go with the majority.
    OOPS, sorry, I forgot Ogrincha doesn’t like Christmas or God. I guess a vote is out of the question, he might not like the results.

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  43. BUCKEYEFANComment by BUCKEYEFAN
    December 9, 2011 @ 10:45 am

    I have enjoyed so much all of you CHRISTIANS posts….God is good….There were more of you, than there was the naysayers….Ya know, I don’t care that someone doesn’t believe in Christmas, the tree, the celebration of Christ’s birth, that is their problem, and will find out that He really exists when He brings them up to face Him for those few brief moments before He sends them to wherever they go when they are non-believers…I will be the white Rosa Parks till I go to meet HIM..No one can ever make me a non believer, nor can they take the joys of CHRISTmas away from me….I am too old for that B.S. and I refuse to be intimidated by a minute’ few of those imbeciles who THINK they can have it their way in spite of the mass’s…..We must continue to fight them….I respect your right to not join in our holidays, so you just need to  respect the rest of us loonies who do have the right TO enjoy them….
    Thanks for all of you believers of Christ that I saw on this thread….Merry CHRISTmas to you all….Same to all of you that aren’t believers..If nothing else, just join in with the Happy folks and see if it won’t make you feel better…..Love yourselves and you will then be able to love others…
     
    ” It’s a CHRISTmas tree stupid.” Deal with it….

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  44. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    December 9, 2011 @ 12:27 pm

    I very much enjoy celebrations, and actively participate in many. St. Patrick, St. Valentine , even All Saints Day, come to mind. Especially St. Patrick, although I am not Irish. I like weddings, birthdays, even christenings. And I do not limit myself to those of my faith. I even did the bible readings at a Catholic wedding.

    But celebrations do have their limits. One day is usually adequate, 12 days might be pushing it, but 2 months is a bit much. Especially when it becomes 24/7 saturation.

    Many posters talk about majority rule. But majority rule must be tempered with respect for minorities, else majority rule becomes mob rule. On many other topics you all are decrying that there are a near majority in this country that pay no taxes, and vote for those who will increase their ‘entitlements’. Do you really want democratic majority rule?

    Is the ‘tree’ a true symbol of the Christmas celebration? In the area where Jesus Christ was born, there are no fir trees. In fact, planting live trees, of any variety, is considered a blessing. A famous poem pleads. ‘Woodsman, spare that tree. Only god can create a tree.’. What would the Creator of Life think about growing trees, only to cut them down, in their infancy, and burn them after a few days or weeks. A time honored tradition? From when? If you have need to decorate a tree, I will gladly volunteer several live trees that I have planted and maintain. But they are not to be harmed.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      December 9, 2011 @ 12:55 pm

      Mort_f, This is not about mob rule or the majority. It’s about something that has no physical effect on people who do not believe. If it affects them mentally, you know makes them feel sick or uncomfortable. That is their problem and it is not our duty to change.
       I don’t see anyone facilitating the people who get the same feeling about gay pride being shoved down their throats. I am as offended by them pushing there view on myself and the children in America as the atheist are about God. So what I see going on in America is a minority of liberals with totalitarian views to run not just this country but the whole world.
       Last thing I don’t think Gods has a problem with a tree that is grown for purpose like a Christmas tree being cut down. A person planted a seed to grow a tree that would otherwise ever been planted. God plants his own trees and sure that he may have a problem with people cutting them down. i have not had a dead Christmas tree in over thirty years. I buy live trees and replant them in the Angeles National forest near my home. Some of the trees I have had came from the Forestry Service in the form of a 6 inch starter. I have raised them and also replanted them.
       
       IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! ! !
       

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    • Mort_fComment by Mort_f
      December 9, 2011 @ 1:54 pm

      I did not think that you were a ‘treehugger’, and neither am I. They do serve a very useful purpose, a benefit to both Man and the planet. Sometimes Mother Nature can sometimes use a little help though.

      But enough of this, I need to go out and trim my holly bushes. The trimmings will be brought to our local dance hall, for sale to wreathmakers. All proceeds go to Relay for Life, the American Cancer Society fundraiser. Along with red and green jewelry that I make for the same cause.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      December 9, 2011 @ 3:06 pm

      Hey Mort I’m not a tree huger but every time I see a tree cut down simply because the owner didn’t want to deal with leaves or pollen I feel sad. That being said Mort, Thank you for you efforts to make money for the ACS. I have lost several friends to cancer and my mom was recently diagnosed with skin cancer.
       Have a Very Merry Christmas!
       
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! ! !

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  45. laughinguyComment by laughinguy
    December 9, 2011 @ 1:24 pm

    Actually, there is such a thing as a holiday tree.  I’ve seen people who have one in their house.  You start with a Christmas tree.  When the needles fall off, you sweep them up.   Then, as other holidays come, you put different decorations on the tree.  St Valentine’s, St Patrick’s, Easter, Independence Day, etc.

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    • BUCKEYEFANComment by BUCKEYEFAN
      December 9, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

      My Neighbor has one…..But it is made out of grapevines….She changed the lights and decor on it for every conceivable holiday known to mankind….It sat on her front porch, yr round, and so there it was, a holiday tree in all its splendor…:)
       

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  46. paintinc56Comment by paintinc56
    December 10, 2011 @ 12:06 pm

    Ron Karenga made up the FAKE holiday of kwanzaa. He was the black separatist that founded the united slaves, an organization that KILLED 2 black panther members. Karenga served time in PRISON for TORTURING two black women, tying them up, beating them with cords & burning them with a soldering iron. When he got out he became a professor at a CA. university that escapes me at the moment. He based this new holiday on MARXISM & integrated many Marxist symbols into the celebration. There is no kwanzaa in Africa & while Karenga used a few African words to make it more legitimate it is really a celebration of Marxism.

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  47. studi30Comment by studi30
    December 10, 2011 @ 7:40 pm

    As a Jew I am thankful for the USA being a Christian Nation.This country is the safest for a Jew to live in.  My wife is an Episcopalian and I am excepted even though I will never convert.  I contribute more time to church functions and am appreciated.

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    • Mort_fComment by Mort_f
      December 10, 2011 @ 10:22 pm

      I will suggest that there is a world of difference between a christian Nation and a Christian Nation. As a christian nation the USA has evolved into arguably the most tolerant nation in history, with an open mind to minority rights. That it is not a Christian nation is embodied in the US Constitution which rejects the concept of a State religion.

      Labeling the USA as a Christian Nation is akin to calling it a theocracy. History is replete with the  inhumanity of theocracies. Christianity itself includes many periods of not only intolerance of others, but of internecine warfare between its various branches. That intolerance of Christians vs. Christians still exists today. Need I give examples?

      This country, like no other country has, has rejected the concept of Divine Right. It has rejected the concept of Papal Bulls as a mandate for its laws, and it is fighting the imposition of Sharia law. Rather it has embodied many of the concepts of the Bible, both Old and New, of human relationships, charity, justice, respect.  Would that it take more of those concepts to heart, especially those of individual responsibility.

      Yes, I am of the Jewish faith. But first, and foremost, I am a Proud American. The US flag flies proudly in front of my home, and it gets replaced with a new one when it shows signs of wear. The old one is disposed of respectfully via the American Legion.

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  48. Comment by Shaun Barcelow
    December 14, 2011 @ 3:56 pm

    “The fact of the matter is that the Christmas tree originated in Christian Germany about two thousand years after Jeremiah’s criticisms of wooden idols. It originated from two Christian symbols found in homes at Christmas time. The first was a “Paradise tree,” an evergreen which was hung with apples which represented the tree of life in the Garden of Eden. The second symbol was a “Christmas pyramid.” This of course was a triangular shelf holding Christmas figurines and decorated with a star. By about the 16th century these two symbols had been combined into the Christian Christmas tree.” [Hank Hanegraaff, Christian Research Institute]

    http://www.equip.org/perspectives/are-christmas-trees-idolatrous-

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