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God Loses Another Round in Politically Correct Military

By Bobby Eberle

It's an ongoing battle. We live in a nation that was built on the foundations of God and Judeo-Christian values, yet every time those values are expressed or acknowledged, a law suit is filed to shut it down. We see it in local governments. We see it in the courts. Now, we are seeing it more and more in the military. They say there are no atheists in foxholes, but that's exactly what the liberal elite, politically correct class would have us become.

Last month, I wrote about a story involving the Department of Veterans Affairs. According to allegations, prayers at a veterans cemetery in Houston were being censored. Words like "God" and "Jesus" were being censored from the prayers.

Now, the Air Force is taking heat for a course it teaches to those airmen charged with launching nuclear weapons. According to, the course was titled Christian War Theory and "quoted scripture and passages from Augustine's 'Qualifications for Just War.'"

Does that mean "modern times" no longer has a place for God? If God is not relevant to officers who are in control of weapons of mass destruction, where is God relevant? adds to the report, saying the course, which was taught by chaplains for more than 20 years, has been suspended because the curriculum included "Bible passages."

The course, called "Christian Just War Theory" was taught by chaplains at Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., and used Scripture from both the Old and New Testaments to show missile launch officers that it can be moral to go to war.

But the watchdog group, Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said the course violated the constitutional separation of church and state and filed a complaint last Wednesday on behalf of 31 missile launch officers - both instructors and students.

David Smith, the spokesman for the Air Force's Air Education and Training Command, said the main purpose of the class was to help missile launch officers understand that "what they are embarking on is very difficult and you have to have a certain amount of ethics about what you are doing to do that job."

The report quotes Mikey Weinstein, the president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, as saying, "The United States Air Force was promoting a particular brand of right-wing fundamentalist Christianity." Are you serious?

According to Weinstein, had the Air Force not shut down this course, his group "would have filed an immediate class-action lawsuit in federal court to force their hand."

In an interview on Fox News Radio, retired U.S. Navy Chaplain Commander Daniel McKay hit the nail on the head by saying:

"Why is it inappropriate to give our people guidelines that have withstood the test of time - to give us moral guidance," McKay asked. "I think there are certain segments within our society who are making concerted efforts to take us away from our Judeo-Christian values, principles and morals," he said.

"History will prove that if you stay true to God's wisdom, it will serve us well and it has served us well." McKay said it's possible that parts of the military are trying to play "all sides of the fence - trying to take a middle-of-the-road approach."

And so what do we do? With each passing year, the courts and left-wing activists have put Christianity on notice. Gays are more than welcomed to "come out of the closet," but if you are a Christian, you better keep your beliefs to yourself.

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  1. inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
    August 4, 2011 @ 8:47 am

    There ARE no atheists in fox holes, but in the secular twisted depraved Socialist Obamanite world of the Self-God, there must be a lot of foxes in the Atheist’s holes, in order to defy our 10 Commandments and lead us down the road to their Progressive perdition. I can just hear the sound of our troops going down,,,DAT to DAT to DAT DAT DAT.

    In order for the Secular God-Self to prevail and rule over us, they must first corrupt from within the body of men who defend our borders from without” by invading and corrupting the body of military strength from within and its corps values. Hence follows the debilitating “Don’t ask don’t tell” followed now by anything goes, as inch by inch their socialist disease invades our formerly healthy corps of men to bring down a Christian nation founded by Christian men who fled Europe to be rid of such fools.

    The Dark Prince will only be defeated by the will of the enlightened, who will only see through the deceptions not on their knees to the dark prince, but the enlightened prince of peace.


    You CANNOT call yourself Christian and support these corrupted Democrats with their corrupting values. ” He who is not with us is against us.”

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    • EdwardComment by Edward
      August 4, 2011 @ 11:45 am

      We need to take ALL of the members of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and put them on the frontlines in Afghanistan. Without, of course, Chaplains to support their moral reasons for being there and fighting a “Just war” according to Augustine’s Just War Theory.
      And KEEP them there until they have reconsidered THEIR belief that God does not belong in the Military. 
      We can bring them back 18 months AFTER ALL US troops have been brought home. IF, that is, they are still alive.


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    • CharlieComment by vietnamvet
      August 4, 2011 @ 12:24 pm

      There ARE no atheists in fox holes,  …

      And damn few liberal progressive secularists in those foxholes, either.  That type sits at home and tells the rest of us what is what while their tender butts remain in cushioned comfort.

      When they get the gumption to voluntarily wear the uniform, THEN they can have a say about what happens among the ranks of others who wear it.

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    • timelywordComment by timelyword
      August 23, 2011 @ 7:30 pm

      I agree that there is no such thing as a good democrat, however, it is getting pretty close to being truly said about Republicans too.  I am all for remembering that God loves to provide safety for his people (his people being defined as those who believe him as he has revealed himself in his word through the law, the prophets and the Lord Jesus Christ).  One of the ways God provides safety for his people is while they are following him in righteousness, he responds to their need for protection by promising to be with them when they go in to a war to defeat the wicked.   I have no argument with going to war for a just cause.  If God wants his people to go to war, he will bring their councils into agreement through prayer and submission to him and through the wisdom that he provide through those councils.
      You can identify an unjust war by the fact that the people who instigate a war instigate it through unjust means.  Through their own lusts, desires and passions, they commit subterfuge and impose unjust wars on the people they pretend to represent and then in order to fight those wars they tax the people they pretend to represent while receiving bribes, gifts and favors in the pursuit of power that comes from war.  It is a hard message to get across in a nation that is led by a lying media and lying politicians, but the truth is we have killed and have been killed for lost causes everywhere we have extended ourselves in the middle east.
      President Bush was only authorized by Congress to go in and get the 12 men who were responsible for the 9/11 attacks.  He usurped his authority by starting a war against terror because the nation of terror does not exist.  There is no way to defeat an ideology except through the preaching of the gospel and a true believer in God who has faith in the Lord Jesus Christ should be willing to come to the place of seeing that.  That doesn’t mean if we have been duped into supporting unjust wars that we are not believers, just that we need to repent of believing the lies we have believed and begin to believe the truth.
      The only way to defeat doctrines of devils is to fully preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, the gospel of the Kingdom of God, the gospel of repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. 
      A just war in America (one which God will deliver his promised protection) is a war that has been declared by an act of Congress, not a war that has been declared by Presidential fiat.  One is the act of a tyrant, the other is an act of obedience, honor and integrity.

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  2. aristotleComment by aristotle
    August 4, 2011 @ 9:13 am

    Psalm 109 8-9

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    • teehendleyComment by teehendley
      August 4, 2011 @ 7:37 pm

      Totally agree with verse 8 but not sure verse 9 reflects a God Fearing Attitude!  Even Jesus said to “forgive them for they know not what they do”.

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  3. oldcuzComment by oldcuz
    August 4, 2011 @ 9:20 am

    I swear they are stretching the first Amendmen to the breaking point, in no way does the first Amendment say anything about seperation of Church and State, it just simply states thaat no national religion will be established nor will any religious beliefs be hindered., not one darned word about seperation of church and state. Political Correctness be damned.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 4, 2011 @ 9:52 am

      Government was designed to control and dispense the sphere of JUSTICE. The Church’s sphere is that of MERCY. When the disoriented secular government OF God-Self men attempts to take over the sphere of mercy which God in his infinite wisdom gave to the Church, we always end up in a Liberal Progressive world of neither true Justice in the redistribution of unearned wealth, nor true mercy with the enslaving offering of the tainted food of entitlement.

      Why do you Christians continue to vote these people into power over you and ignore the true source from which all mercy and blessings flow? It has always been the plan of the creator as well as the laws of nature that;


      Or true justice will never prevail in a socialist world of a combined Church and state run by the secular gods of SELF.

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  4. bgannyfComment by babs
    August 4, 2011 @ 9:22 am

    I have a problem with the title of the article – lets get one thing straight – GOD NEVER LOSES – we do.  We make choices and have to suffer the consequences of those choices.  Its called Free Will – Free will to choose HIM.  Free will Not to choose HIM.  Those that choose not to choose HIM – lose.

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    • famparComment by fampar
      August 4, 2011 @ 9:32 am

      Well said, God let’s us choose and in this case the USA is the looser.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 4, 2011 @ 9:55 am

      Because we chose a Loser who thinks he IS God.

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    • Liberty4310Comment by Liberty4310
      August 4, 2011 @ 11:02 am

      babs, your point is well taken.  God never loses.  We just sometimes turn our back on him, but in the end, God wins.  We must keep that in mind and pray for sanity to prevail regarding this current issue.  You cannot send people into a situation where they may, at some point, have to push buttons that annhiliate millions of people, without offering them some form of moral understanding.  Without God, there is no morality.  This training by Chaplains was absolutely necessary. 

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  5. newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
    August 4, 2011 @ 9:23 am

    I try to make sure that I never miss an opportunity to defend God regardless of how insignificant it may be to others, or myself for that matter.   All these things that are happening have been prophesied in the Bible as signs of the end times.  Christians are to be persecuted and God is to be abandoned. “Why do the nations rage and imagine a vain thing ….”  What we’re witnessing now is the “revolt” that St. Paul spoke about in the New Testament and a revolt it is to those who think they can wipe God out of existence. Unfortunately, the Bible predicts that the situation will get much worse before the Lord returns and it will become more difficult for those who try to hold on to their faith, as “the devil knows his time is short.”  Many things recorded in the Bible have been proven and the prophecy that it foretells is before our eyes in our own generation.  Nevertheless, the atheists and God haters will rage on till the very end, and casting our perils before swine will become more fruitless as they become more fierce.  However when those saints finally go marching in we who have had even the faith of a small mustard seed will be in that number!

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    • SAnnComment by SAnn
      August 4, 2011 @ 1:03 pm

      Thank you for your comment because if anyone has read the bible they will know what is to come. We have been warned and for those that do not heed that warning will be their choice and I would not want to be them.

      Why Christians continue to vote  progressives into office?  My opinion is they may use the term of calling themselves Christians but if they have read the bible and studied God’s word and knew Jesus gave his life for their sins they would not be voting for the people that continue to destroy the morality of this country by destroying God’s word.

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  6. FrogmanComment by Frogman
    August 4, 2011 @ 9:43 am

    Just more of the same they will go after ANYTHING to do with Christianity. But, GOD forbid they say anything negative about the Muslim faith.

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    • jb80538Comment by jb80538
      August 4, 2011 @ 10:05 am

      Maybe it’s time we did say something negative about the muslims. Let’s see if they want to start something here. I believe God and America will come out on top of that one!

      Cowboys amd muslims anyone?

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    • PaulComment by Paul
      August 5, 2011 @ 11:12 am

      Your absolutely right, even though the Muslim religion “*****-Out loud”, we can’t say anything like that without criticism from the Socialist/Marxists.  Perhaps the problem with the other religion is that they eat too much pork and dog, don’t know for sure but maybe.  For sure their pedophilia would never be accepted by true Christians.

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  7. thomknoxvileComment by thomknoxvile
    August 4, 2011 @ 10:24 am

    The way I see it, it really isn’t the military doing the changing but the civilians in charge of our men and women who defend this country.

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  8. gbmpythonComment by gbmpython
    August 4, 2011 @ 10:24 am

    Time to choose sides.  This means you too Generals.  This evolving political correctness and weakness to stand up against the muslims while attacking  Christianity is weakening our military.  It is only happening because the generals and military brass don’t have the guts to stand up for what is right any more.  Their oath is to the Constitution and is not the vile President we currently have.  So how long will it be until all the military chaplains have to marry the gay couples – whether they like it or not?  If it comes down to choosing God versus military, this military (with such a rich history) will soon fail.

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    • Liberty4310Comment by Liberty4310
      August 4, 2011 @ 11:15 am

      There is a worse possibility.  How long will it be until the military is forced to disband the Chaplainsy?  This relatively small move is just a step in that direction.  Without God, there is no morality.  Without morality, our military becomes no better than those in third world countries.  We have always prevailed in war because our men and women could think on their feet.  A large part of that was their faith in God.

      Another thing, so far there have been two serious incidents at Fort Hood, near Killeen, TX.  The first was successful and luckily, the second wasn’t.  Who were the perpetrators in both cases?  I can tell you this, they weren’t Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, or adherents to any truly peaceful religion.  You’ll never hear what they were from our national leadership or the news media, but I think we all know. 

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    • cxComment by genesal
      September 5, 2011 @ 2:28 pm

      Please tell me where it is written to Keep religion where it belongs, in your home, church synagogue, temple, etc?  I can’t find that passage in the Declaration of Independence or in the Constitution.  The Constitution protects our rights to practice our respective religious beliefs without you or anyone in the Government interfering.  it also protects us from having to endure a so called ‘State Religion’  everything else is made up and has no basis. 
      Also, inspcowbo, please get your facts straight, Amish ARE Christians!
      The Amish, are a group of Christian church fellowships that form a subgroup of the “Mennonite” churches. The Amish are known for “Simple living” “Plain dress”, and reluctance to adopt many conveniences of modern technology.

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  9. andyrpComment by andyrp
    August 4, 2011 @ 10:27 am

    This article starts off WRONG!  Our nation was built on “religious freedom.”  True most Americans are Christian but not all.  Our country needs to get back  to the basics.  Take care of “all” our citizens; whatever religion is practiced.  No matter what your personal beliefs may be.  Keep religion where it belongs, in your home, church synagogue, temple, etc.  It is disapointing that the Republican party I read about in elementary and high school history is not the same party.  Republicans used to be the impetus of change and improving our country.  That and the fact that my father was a Republican is why I’m a Republican.  Please people,  let’s start seeing all our neighbors, not just the ones who believe as you do. Make America what it once was,  actually make it better than it was because; darn I am proud to be a Republican   and proud to be an American.  I embrace all;  gay, straight, black, white,  Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim etc.   Please stop the bickering and start working together!

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    • Allen SComment by M Allen
      August 4, 2011 @ 11:00 am

      One cannot embrace ecumentalism and “stand” for anything.  There is only one way and it is God’s way according to what the Bible teaches.  We are to have a RMA (impersonal love) towards all mankind but that does not mean we have to accept what they believe. 

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    • inspcowboyComment by inspcowboy
      August 4, 2011 @ 11:38 am

      I am sorry but you are wrong! This country was founded on Judeo Christian Values. Not Religious Freedom. True the Founders did not want an Established Religion because they didn’t want the Gov. to Demand people subscribe to it’s religion. Religious Freedom was a precept not a foundation. Morality and Virtue were the foundation in which they aspired. The majority of the founders were Christian but there were Jewish and Amish and several other religions Who all believed in one God and his moral teachings. The more we as a nation pull away from this foundation the further in to the abyss we ascend. The article was more about the soldiers understanding that there is moral justification for pushing the “button” and possibly killing thousands of people and the Bible is the Number One book that can teach that principle. Now without this training who knows if they can do the job when we need it the most. The less God we have the weaker we become! Know God Know Peace. No God No Peace!

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 4, 2011 @ 12:34 pm

      I embrace people regardless of what religion they are, but I don’t embrace a religion that doesn’t believe in God.  “He who is not with me, is against Me.” “I am the Lord this is My name, My glory I share with no other, nor My praise with idols.” Isa. 42:8

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    • sej222Comment by sej222
      August 4, 2011 @ 6:44 pm

      You’re mistaken.  Our nation was built by Christians on their beliefs.  Many of the early state constitutions required a confession of Christian faith to hold office.  The religious freedom of that day was to allow each of the various sects of Christianity to be practiced, unlike in Europe where each country had a state religion which was one particular interpretation of “true” Christianity.  You probably don’t know much about this because it’s illegal to teach it in the schools these days.  A couple places you can learn about the role of Christianity in the formation of the U.S. are and

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  10. nkqx57aComment by nkqx57a
    August 4, 2011 @ 10:36 am

    Our forefathers believed that a person couldn’t even serve in public office without acknowledging a belief in God and His principles. Many of the Original State Constitutions written by our forefathers shortly after their signing of the Declaration of Independence affirm this position.
    Our forefathers believed that each citizen was accountable to his fellow citizens, God and his country to elect only those leaders faithful to religious principles and high moral standards. Our forefathers believed that this was the sign of a true patriot. Consider the following quotes:
    Abigail Adams  “[A] true patriot must be a religious man. [H]e who neglects his duty to his Maker may well be expected to be deficient and insincere in his duty towards the public.”
    Noah Webster  “When a citizen gives his suffrage [vote] to a man of known immorality he abuses his trust [civil responsibility]; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor, he betrays the interest of his country.”
    Conversely, in America today, we are told that what is done in one’s private life is a private matter. Private behavior should not influence our view of a leader’s ability to serve in a public office.
    America has embraced this untruth. Religious principle and moral standards are no longer an integral part of our nation’s political process. Immoral leaders saturate our political landscape. This has resulted in the moral decay of America’s political process, her laws and her judiciary.

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  11. capricorn1Comment by capricorn1
    August 4, 2011 @ 10:48 am


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  12. tyrfryerComment by tyrfryer
    August 4, 2011 @ 10:53 am

    Normally, I defend the use of things like ‘under God’ in our Pledge of Allegiance, ‘In God we trust’ on the money, the ten commandments in front of court houses, nativity scenes etc.

    However, I HAVE BEEN an atheist in a fox hole, when I invaded Iraq in 2003. Doesn’t make me a bad person. To be honest, I’m pretty conservative. I spent a little over 9 years in the Army and never even tried to count the number of battalion formations where I had to stand and listen to prayer for this or that reason. I never complained and never would, because it was the belief of the vast majority of my brothers in arms. I completely respect and in fact admire the faith it takes people to have belief in a higher power even though I don’t share that faith or belief, because I share the same morals and values.

    This particular case sounds meritable to me though. There ARE atheists in foxholes. I can find the same reasons for our commonly held morals and values through logic that all of you find through religion. It’s way past time for those of you who have belief in a higher power to respect my lack of belief. I would never consider asking you to not pray in public and all the other typical **** that makes the news when atheists challenge this and that; rather, I vehemently defend your right to practice your religion as you see fit. To then come on this board and read how my lack of belief in God or any other higher power makes me somehow less than those with belief just makes me livid.

    I don’t press my beliefs on anyone else, ever. I not only respect your right to believe and worship as you wish, I encourage it, hence all the times I stood quietly waiting for everyone else to pray in formation without a complaint or even anyone knowing I wasn’t participating.

    You simply CAN NOT force service members to partake in a class that teaches religion as justification for anything. Offer it, sure. There are people to whom this class may be valuable, but it’s time to realize that there are also people like myself PROTECTING and DEFENDING you and your right to practice your religion who would rather not hear about it any more than we have to. People who hold the same morals and values, vote as conservatively as we can (usually it’s more like the lesser of 2 evils, i.e. Obama/McCain = Socialist or Socialist Lite) and are rabidly pro-life (it’s murder, logic tells me that).

    Please be respectful in your replies as I have been in writing this rant.

    SGT Donald W. Stevens
    US Army, Ret.

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    • daddymikeComment by daddymike
      August 4, 2011 @ 11:50 am

      Were most atheists as tolerant and understanding as are you, there would not be the vocal and violent rhetoric present in today’s society. Unfortunately, the opposite is true. The most vocal have taken the protections of the First Amendment to the utter extremes.
      Because, in my humble opinion, the Supreme Court accepted and misinterpreted ONE phrase out of a letter from Thomas Jefferson, we have been embroiled in a verbal and legal battle of ideals.
      Should the socialist and marxist atheists and secularists ever adopt your view, this would be a good and peaceful country in which to live again. 
      I, personally, am a born-again Christian and believe in the precept of love the sinner, but not the sin. I wholly respect you and your point of view. You are the kind of person I would have been proud to have served with during my time in service.

      CPO Marco J. Billante
      U.S. Navy, ret. 

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    • tyrfryerComment by tyrfryer
      August 4, 2011 @ 12:12 pm

      Speaking straight out of my fourth point of contact here, but I believe most probably are. Unfortunately what everyone always hears are the violent, vociferous few who choose to belittle the beliefs of others.

      This makes it incumbent upon us to ensure that we act differently and show those who are intolerant how to be tolerant (as they falsely claim to be).

      I’d have been proud to serve with you also, thanks!

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 4, 2011 @ 12:43 pm

      I would have been proud to serve with you, also.

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    • betexComment by betex
      August 4, 2011 @ 3:57 pm

      Sgt. Stevens certainly has the right to his beliefs. But the majority of gays, athiests, and Muslims have taken a page from the book instigated by Blacks demanding that their rights be more right than the majority’s. I have known and liked people from all of these groups except Muslims but I resent down to my toes any minority group trying to impose its will upon the majority who does not share their views.
      I wonder what would happen if those families who wanted to bury their dead soldiers in Houston went ahead and did it the way it has been done in the past? Tradition or feelings cannot be legislated.
      God will prevail – in His time.

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    • nkqx57aComment by nkqx57a
      August 4, 2011 @ 4:07 pm

      Mr. Stevens…First, thank you for your service…you are rather the “exception than the rule” when atheists are discussed. However, I do not categorize you as an atheist. You believe in something other than self-serving feelings.
      You mentioned morals, values, and logic. Question: What shaped your morals, values, and logic? Logic is reasoning, inductive and deductive reasoning. That reasoning is influenced by your morals and values. Your CHARACTER is reflective of these and not by what you say, or intend; it is a reflection of what you do. Your ethics and the standards you set for yourself influences how you think about others.
      I am a Vietnam Vet and I was never in a foxhole with a true atheist. But I was in many a foxhole where a belief in GOD was not common. However, we all had something in common; our CHARACTER traits…believing in each other and in one’s own GOD.
      Your character tells me…we could share a foxhole any day and twice on Sunday.

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    • lukangsungComment by Lu Kang-sung
      August 4, 2011 @ 5:29 pm

      Dear SGT Stevens,
      Thank you for your good manners.  For a non-christian, this course could be a waste of time. 
      On the other hand, consider that there are a lot of Churches that teach it was wrong to bomb Hiroshima or Nagasaki. I know some church goers who might join the forces and deep down in their bones, might not be willing to go on to a total war.  I think this course is necessary to prevent namby-pamby “I won’t kill masses of people” feelings from remaining in someone espousing to be a Christian that might slow down obedience.  The Christians should be required to take it.  There should also be a parallel course for Atheists, Hindus, Socialists…  to make sure that every button pusher is ready to push the button.  
      Moral teaching, ethics and so on, should continue.
      Kang-sung Lu

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    • SpikeygrrlComment by Spikeygrrl
      August 6, 2011 @ 2:39 pm

      @Sgt Stevens: Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed!

      And for all those BTL posts that @$$/u/me Sgt. Stevens is “an exception” among atheists, I hasten to assure you to the contrary that Sgt. Stevens is the NORM!

      You may say “But every atheist I’ve ever ‘met’ is loud and pushy and denigrates my religion.” Have you ever considered that the only atheists you NOTICE are the rude ones? And have you further considered that the reason you don’t object to the rest of us is because we are living our lives pretty much like you do: loving and protecting our families and friends and communities, doing our jobs, raising our children, honestly endeavoring to ”BE the good we want to see in the world,” and yes, serving in the military when trying times demand it. We don’t spend all day long raving about our personal beliefs — as do both militant atheists AND militant Christians — we mostly just shut up and get on about our own personal business. Which is why in religious terms you don’t notice we’re even THERE.
      An ill-mannered atheist is no better and no worse than an ill-mannered Christian; if EITHER tries to force his/her views on those who do not share them, he/she deserves no place in civil society.

      – Spikeygrrl, atheist military wife married to atheist active-duty…and yes, we both vote Conservative :) 

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    • timelywordComment by timelyword
      August 23, 2011 @ 7:47 pm

      Sgt. Stevens, You are one of the ones for whom the Constitution was designed!  James Madison said, the we have been given the Constitution so that every individual would be free to conduct himself according to the ten commandments of God.  That is the whole of the issue.  That is why the referred to God as the God of the Universe.  Because, God referred to himself as the one God, the beginning and the end, the great I AM. 
      The new testament says that when an unbeliever does what God requires he is demonstrating by his actions that he actually believes, otherwise he would not be doing as God requires!  The free gift of God is about the fact that no matter how hard you try, you will not be able to demonstrate the righteousness of God fully and completely on your own.  So, God sent his only begotten son so that whosoever believes in him shall have their righteousness completely fulfilled through his death and resurrection.  He became the fully complete and perfect sacrifice for sin.  He wants to fill up to complete fullness the distance between the righteousness you attain to and the righteousness he requires!  That is God’s love in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us!  That is what freedom is all about.

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  13. nkqx57aComment by nkqx57a
    August 4, 2011 @ 10:56 am

    Politicians abuse their authority and “We the People” did nothing. Every standard was lowered so the “touchy-hutchie and feel good” Liberals could feel good. And after almost 60 years; what have we to show for all this liberalism?
    A country losing its liberty and freedom; and a standard of living in decline; a debt we can never repay and under current administration policies only gets bigger.
    Every Generation…Must make the necessary sacrifices for the next.  Embedded in the American DNA is a powerful force…FREEDOM and self-determination; and when threatened will push back and right itself. Currently our DNA is being threatened by internal and external forces.
    Internal…by a far-left minority that has gained a temporary upper-hand, mainly due to the election of Obama. Un-checked this progressive liberal/socialist ideology would eventually destroy the American DNA. This ideology is nothing new and has always failed and will fail again. However, the scars left by its failures will take generations to heal. In the meantime, these scars will be a continuous reminder that will prevent its reoccurrence.
    External…by those, adhering to a flawed interpretation of a Religion, which says that all non-believers must die. Not only must they die, but their civilization must be eliminated from the face of the earth. They have declared WAR upon all non-believers. In WAR, people (those good and bad) die. This WAR is not a policing action; where the “rule of law” is adhered too; nor is it governed by “rules of war”. This is a WAR the likes of the “Crusades”; for self-preservation and our enemies have no rules, except “all non-believer must die and their civilization destroyed”. For America and the Western World to survive they must fight this WAR like no other. It will be long, painful, and difficult, but eventually FREEDOM will prevail.
    Can America Survive? You can bet she will and come out of this stronger and more determined than ever!

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  14. LennaComment by Lenna
    August 4, 2011 @ 10:58 am

    There comes a point that we Christians have to quit sitting back watching our expressions of faith being chipped away little by little. Together we could be a force to put an end to it. The thing is WE LIVE HERE, TOO! I propose a campaign called just that: WE LIVE HERE, TOO. To start, everytime something from the anti-Christian world presents itself, such as trying to get prayer out of cemeteries, and now this, we send letters to whatever organization is in back of it, and to Fox News, our local newspapers, local TV, the ACLU, Rev? Barry Lynn, to name a few. And in every letter tell them WE LIVE HERE, TOO. Let every Christian around the world make a cry for our right to have freedom OF religion and the same freedoms any religion in America practices. Are you with me?

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    • Allen SComment by M Allen
      August 4, 2011 @ 11:06 am

      Lenna, what a great idea!  I plan to use your quote in my future comments.

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 4, 2011 @ 12:45 pm

      I always have been.

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  15. JDZComment by JDZ
    August 4, 2011 @ 11:07 am

    The Chaplains in our military provide counseling and advice for all soldiers regardless of  religious beliefs and have, forever.  Sometimes those that are out there being shot at or dealing with the loss of a good friend right in front of them who was just blown up by an IED or whatever, have, at their most critical time of need, only their team members, and/or their God to help them through the emotional trauma and shock of such an incident.  To allow these atheist PC ”do-gooders” to interfere in the tried and true way the military environment operates in any respect would be a mistake.  These people typically have never served in the military and have no idea of how our soldiers are trained to perform and cope with the job we have asked them to perform.  The same holds true with the DADT issue, etc.  The PC crowd is ruining our civilian population culture as it is, but we can deal with that much easier then to allow them to undermine our military and defense establishment. There is no upside in allowing “outsiders” to interfere with the strict and time proven culture that our military soldiers are trained to live and perform within.  Stay out of it!  If you want to serve, then accept the way the military operates, or just do not volunteer for the military.  It is a voluntary army, remember??

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  16. bobnipComment by bobnip
    August 4, 2011 @ 11:14 am

    The ACLU, the Courts and now the military are trying to drive God and our religious beliefs out of this country. That is more than evident. But, why oh why are they not attempting to drive Islam, the “religion of peace”, from these shores? I’ll tell you why. Their afraid of them.  Just remember what happened when a cartoonist portrayed Muhammad in one of his illustration. I don’t remember the exact number, but I do remember 40+ people dying at the hands of irate Muslims.
    Barrack Obama is mobilizing his National Civilian Security Force right now. Called “The Obama Brigade”, it is a force he says he needs “for protection from the enemy”. Little did we know he was referring to us! Many of these recruits are Muslim.
    I encourage everyone to Google, “Obama Brigade Marches in Formation.” Watch the video and tell me what you think his intent is.  Yet, read the Legislation that created this ill-contrived group of misfits and you’ll find they are supposedly required to denounce any religious affiliation and/or participation in any religious gathering. Do you think they are doing that? I don’t!
    First, remember the Muslim is allowed to lie and deceive the infidel in his endeavor to further the cause of Dar al-Islam. What is that? Total world domination by Muslims and their “religion of peace”. If you do not submit…you die.
    Many churches are teaching a doctrine of total submission to what is going on in America. After all, “it’s all in God’s hands”. And, I would say…yes. God is in control, but you better read the Bible a little more carefully! 2 Samuel 10:12 (NIV) says, “Be strong and let us fight bravely for our people and the cities of our God. The Lord will do what is good in his sight”. So much for Milk Toast Christianity!
    Remember Colossians 2:8  (NIV) “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human traditions and the basic principles  of this world rather than on Christ”.  Again, we are not instructed to sit around wringing our hands because our religion is being taken from our shores!
    Lastly, look at Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all,  to stand.”
    We are instructed to speak out against the evil darkness of this world…and that’s what I am doing! What are you doing?

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      August 4, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

      The video is evidence that he’s recruiting “an army” as he proposed to do during his initial campaign.  He has without a doubt divided this country like no other before him, and I believe, as you, that it IS for a purpose, and not a good one at that.   (In response to you wanting us to let you know.)

      I’ve studied religion and I’ve studied Islam.  In regards to the latter, I didn’t want to remain ignorant when many things the Bible predicted came to pass.  Islam is without a doubt an evil religion that took many aspects of the Judeo/Christian religion and perverted it into the Koran.  Considering that Mohammad couldn’t read or write one has to wonder just who was it in that cave that supposedly dictated their so-called holy book.  I enjoyed reading your commentary and the scripture verses that you quoted which is so prevelant to the time we live in. 

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  17. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    August 4, 2011 @ 11:33 am

    War is Hell.

    But not being privy to the course material, I will unequivically state that ‘turning the other cheek’ goes just so far. In both Judaism and Christianity, the Old and the New Testament, there are justifications for war. The only alternative, in many instances, is to commit national suicide. I will purposely ignore the Quran, for there War is justified  to subjugate others.

    Should our military be educated in philosphicalexposure to the writings of others? An absolute YES. If that was the objection to this course, then a pox on their heads to those who objected.

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  18. cynicalobserverComment by cynicalobserver
    August 4, 2011 @ 11:34 am

    To show the importance of freedom of prayer fro Chaplains:
    During WW11, General Patton’s 3rd Army Army was bogged down with too much rain with no air support.
    On Dec. 8, Patton turned to a higher power to clear the skies. He asked Chaplain James H. O’Neill if he knew of a “good prayer for the weather,” The Chaplain made a prayer for God to make it quit raining.
    In December 1944, his prayer was answered. The weather miraculously cleared and Patton was able to move his troops to win the Battle of the Bulge. On being Gay, President Obama hasn’t made it mandatory for the military all to be Gay. That is a win.

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  19. Blu OwenComment by Blu Owen
    August 4, 2011 @ 11:36 am

    The only question I would have is:
    Was this class mandatory for all officers in the program. If it was then I believe they may have a leg to stand on. If not I would let them file suit and prove how this is harming them, which would be close to impossible to  do without showing a heavy prejudice against Christians and possibly their true agenda. 

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  20. John E. NevolaComment by John E. Nevola
    August 4, 2011 @ 11:48 am

    We even allow the far Left to define their own insanity in sterile terms.  POLITICALLY CORRECT is a nice, neat, benign sounding characterization of their ridiculous belief system but because they make it sound almost “normal”, only a few recognize how insidious it really is.  We need a new and more accurate description of their philosophy.  Here are a few suggestions.
    I’ll bet there are a ton of more descriptions that do a better job of calling it like it is.
    The Last Jump – A Novel of World War II
    Follow me on Twitter –> @TheLastJump
    Some proceeds donated to charity.

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  21. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    August 4, 2011 @ 12:09 pm

    Just a point of information.

    Many like to go back to ‘founding fathers’ for their argument, and refer to Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson was proud of his Act of Religious Freedom in the Va State legislature. What it did was remove the necessity of beonging to the Anglican (Church of England) church as a qualification for public office in Virginia. Jefferson is often described as an anti-semite, some of his writings lend credence to that. His Act was not to ‘open the doors’ for all religions, but merely to remove the requirement for subservience to one particular sect. A start for true religious freedom, but only a start.

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  22. Ben_ColderComment by Ben_Colder
    August 4, 2011 @ 12:37 pm

    ACLU would have had a hissy fit if they were around when I was in Marine Boot Camp at Parris Island back in1954. The entire platoon was issued a New Testament and we were required to keep it displayed in our foot locker at all times. I still have mine. It’s a down right shame that our country is failing in all areas now.

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  23. AJEComment by AJE
    August 4, 2011 @ 12:40 pm

       Gays are more than welcomed to “come out of the closet,” since DADT is being lifted but if you are a Christian, ”you better keep your beliefs to yourself.” Really?
       If you are a Christian you are out of the closet by practicing your faith personally or at a base service but not at a duty station involving others dealing with a mission. Likewise if you are gay you can be so with similar friends off base providing your sexual interests are not in violation with the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
       And what make Mr. Eberle think that there aren’t people of faith that are also gays and bisexuals. According to the web there are Dignity Catholics, Integrity (Anglicans), the Metropolitan Community Church, Gay Organization for Jews on the Sabbath, etc. 
        Instead of scapegoating gays and bisexuals we have to address how the 90 – 95% of population deals with religion not a minority that split into different religious beliefs that may even include atheists. “God Loses” when man condemns although He said “condemn not.”
        Oh, as far as religion goes in the times of the early pioneers many of the colonies were sectioned in various favored religious groups…. Puritans, Dutch Reformed Church, Mormons, Catholics.. Lord Baltimore, etc.  What we enjoy is “Freedom of Relgions” and “Freedom from Religious Persection.”

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      August 4, 2011 @ 7:15 pm

      Gays and Atheists DO also believe in God and he looks just like who they see in the mirror. In their twisted beliefs they would create God in the image of themselves, not themselves as created in the image of the true God. Making love to vats of human excrement is not in God’s plan for creation as nothing is created in the act but human degradation.

      Do not confuse the word tolerate with acceptance. Our Constitution obligates us to tolerate their foolishness, but never accept or become part of the foolishness nor incorporate their failed life choices into our laws, regulations, personal hygiene or behavior.

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    • LennaComment by Lenna
      August 5, 2011 @ 10:55 am

      I wonder why there are 18 verses in the Bible condemning homosexuality? Must be a reason….

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  24. eagletalComment by eagletal
    August 4, 2011 @ 12:50 pm

    Barrack Obama is mobilizing his National Civilian Security Force right now. Called “The Obama Brigade”, it is a force he says he needs “for protection from the enemy”. Little did we know he was referring to us! Many of these recruits are Muslim.
    Let them come. Easily identifiable targets. Pajamas and turbans.

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  25. Son Of ThunderComment by mcrank
    August 4, 2011 @ 1:07 pm

    And who in the heck is the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and how did they get so powerful??  I have never heard of them.

    Why is it every time one of these little self-interest groups gets a wet diaper, they feel that all they have to do is scream at the top of their lungs and Mommy Government feels equally obligated to cater to their wishes?  We were founded under, and have been practicing, Judeo-Christian values long before atheism and the myriad of anti-Christian groups ever came into vogue.

    Being founded upon Judeo-Christian principles, that’s part of what this country is about—it’s who we are—and, in my opinion, it’s who you need to be if you want to live here among us.  English is spoken here as well.  We do not tell you, Mr Weinstein—nor anyone else—that you have to pray or follow the Christina faith.  So, it stands to reason then, that you do not tell us that we can’t.  Attempting to give your arguments credence by quoting our own laws is pure bull.  We are not affecting your rights in any way, shape, or form and you certainly are not experiencing any personal distress because of our expressions of our beliefs, either.

    You are not compelled neither by God Himself, nor any Christians in this country, to take up the Christian faith nor to participate in any Christian practice.  Likewise we are not obligated to bow down to your demands that we cease and desist our practice and expression of our faith that has been handed down from generation to generation since the inception of this country.

    Further, Mr Weinstein, since you and your organization excel in drawing attention to yourselves and wasting valuable time misusing our legal resources for frivolous lawsuits, why don’t you consider making yourselves useful by supporting valid issues such as our national debt and unfair taxation system to name a couple, that truly affect us all and attempt to effect accomplishments of real benefit to the country as a whole?

    We have EVERY right to serve our God—as well as our country and our fellowman within the framework of the Christian principles we adhere to.  YOU—HAVE NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER—to tell us otherwise.

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  26. slagheapComment by slagheap
    August 4, 2011 @ 2:52 pm

    Way to  go, babs! God NEVER loses! He sets Satan up to lose all the time, however.
    To the marine who had a New Testament in his footlocker, I hope you read Ephesians
    6:12 on a regular basis, along with Psalms 23.  Let’s see more of this stuff!

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  27. FreeDameComment by freedame
    August 4, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

    The Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.  How much flack would the chaplains have taken if they were using quotes from the Qur’an?

    Welcome to the Last Days.  The Bible told us this would happen.

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  28. IdylewyldeComment by Idylewylde
    August 4, 2011 @ 4:56 pm

    The House is in Republican hands.
    The House has a judicial oversight committee.
    That committee has the right to investigate any organization that misuses the Law to abridge 1st Amendment rights, including religious speech.

    When a radical organization labels my religion ‘right-wing’ extremism, they reveal themselves to be ‘Left-wing’ extremists.

    I am calling upon all of you to contact your elected representatives to demand a House investigation into the group that politicized my faith with slanders.
    If they can do it to my faith, they can do it to yours.

    Yes, I am a Christian.
    Yes, I am Right Wing.
    No, I’m not an extremist. I’m a patriot.
    I served in military.
    I’m a Viet Nam veteran .. infantry.
    I’m a disabled veteran.

    Most Americans agree that I am not an extremist.
    A small minority of self-appointed religious police seem to be able to bully the military.
    I want to know why.
    I want to know why that mentality is even remotely legal .. or is it?
    I want to know where every last elected official stands on this issue.

    Next thing you know, they’ll be ripping the cross off my grave after I’m buried in the veteran cemetary.

    Mikey Weinstein, the president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, stated, “The United States Air Force was promoting a particular brand of right-wing fundamentalist Christianity.”

    By the way Weinstein, you bigot, traditional Catholics are Augustinian. Hardly Fundamentalist, are they?
    Traditional Presbyterians are also Augustinian.
    Traditional Lutherans are also Augustinian.
    I’m an Augustinian.

    My people fought their way into the Death Camps in Nazi Germany to free the survivors, and you’ve got the nerve to slander us like this!

    On the other hand, Augustine was writing about Moral and Ethical behavior .. you know, morals and ethics … ah, I thought not, or you wouldn’t have threatened a litigation over a Moral and Ethical treatise.

    Such is the LEFT these days … no morals .. no ethics .. no memory .. no gratitude .. just immoral, unethical self-gratification at the expense of the real patriots in the military.

    Such is Mikey Weinstein .. posterboy for the Left.

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  29. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    August 4, 2011 @ 8:20 pm

    With all the talk about God and Christianity on this thread, it would be wise to remember that colonial America was composed of distinct colonies, each with its own charter. Those charters typically provided a specific sect the right to govern that colony. Tolerance was not a by-word in the colonies. In fact, quite the opposite. To their credit, few approached the internecine violence that exists in Islam between Sunni and Shiite. There was internecine violence in Christianity in its early days, but by the 1600s it had moderated. It took a John Adams and a Th. Jefferson, to formulate a national government that was tolerant of all sects, but retained basic principles that could be accepted by all.

    I find it interesting that, in these threads, nobody describes themseves with the specific sect that they claim adherence to. For there are major differences between them if one is rigorous in one’s beliefs.

    I am a jew, but not an orthodox jew. I have argued with rabbis, to the point that I have said: Rabbi, You have your religion, I have mine. They differ.”. I have left certain congregations because of that difference. Especially one whre the rabbi was a leader of ‘Rabbis for Obama’.

    I have not read St. Augustine’ s treatise. But I have read many of the renowned philosophers. In general they analyze the human thought and behavior process. Rarely is a religious observance a prerequisite to their message. I find myself most closely attuned to Plato, who. btw, predates the New Testament. And whose behavioral rules do not require belief in a single God.

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    • IdylewyldeComment by Idylewylde
      August 5, 2011 @ 6:33 pm


      Queen Elizabeth 1st passed into law a requirement that all colonial charters be consistent with and compatable with English Law.
      When Alfred the Great became king of a united England, a Constitution was drafted, and a key provision was that all English Law had to be based on Christian Law. Thus, we see that Queen Elizabeth I was requiring conformity on that historic basis.

      Rhode Island was the first colony to welcome religious diversity, including Judaism.
      The key word here is diversity, not Law.
      By law, all subjects of the realm enjoyed the right to freedom of religion. Intolerance, when and where it occurred, was not institutional. It was just plain bigotry.

      Therefore, in the Colonies, when bigotry obstructed the law, it was neither British nor Christian. It was just plain old fashioned bigotry.

      According to modern academia, which is a branch of the Communist Party these days, the bigotry was institutional, and they say this despite the facts of history. But, then again, Communists believe that the end justifies the means, so they’re not exactly a reliable source for factual history.

      When the Air Force teaches Sun Tzu, that noteworthy Chinese general of fame who referenced numerous Bhuddist, and other Asian religious sources, for analogy, we must, I presume, have him removed from the curriculum for bringing religion into it … or Mikey Weinstein will sue.

      Augustine was speaking to Christians, but, oh my God!, he referenced those evil Greek pagans to make many fine points because .. here it comes .. he was addressing moral and ethical issues. And, by definition, ethics is above any one religious moral code, or any one secular moral code. Ethics does not subscribe to any one moral code, religious, or otherwise.

      I get a little tired of the mental morons on the Left who make these protestations on behalf of religious equity.

      Chairman Mao stropped China of its heritage to bring in his version of true socialism.
      I guess the Left is following Mao’s fine example.

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  30. willketcherComment by willketcher
    August 5, 2011 @ 9:04 am

    good god ppl have fallen far from his grace even forgetting what jesus did for us even all i see is more and more hate violence and destruction and death is not what jesus preached 

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  31. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    August 5, 2011 @ 7:11 pm

    First, we no longer live under Queen Elizabeth’s laws. Although much of our Law is based on English Common Law. And her charters no longer have validity.

    Second, all religions have a system of ethics in their makeup. And there is a mass of literature by many philosophers. Each having his own particular background. A well educated military is the best military you can get. Which means that our military should be at least conversant with all philosophies that they can be exposed to. In no way should they be restricted in their education.

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    • IdylewyldeComment by Idylewylde
      August 5, 2011 @ 11:48 pm

      Actually, yes, her charters still exist. They happen to be the state government charters retained after the Revolution. In fact, a lot of what she did formed the foundation of our complaints against the Hanover dynasty (King George III) when we accused him of being derelict in his religious and political duties … it’s all there in the Declaration of Independence .. by violating our charters and English Law.
      Thanks to Queen Elizabeth, we actually had a firm legal foundation for our Revolution.
      That said, Jefferson made very certain that there was a Humanist element in the Declaration: “We hold these truths to be self-evident …”
      Most of us agree that religion is based on divine revelation rather than comprised of self-evident truths .. except the Methodists .. which proves there’s alway an exception to any rule.

      I wholeheartedly agree with your second point.
      Our military cannot afford a myopic approach to moral and ethical challenges if we’re going to go around meddling in everyone else’s business.

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  32. hellenic1poloytheistComment by hellenic1poloytheist
    August 6, 2011 @ 10:14 am

    Hello all

    I”m a Republican but not a Christian Jew or Muslim! Nether is my Father or Grandfather. My father and Grandfather both served in the U.S Navy. My father severed in the Vietnam war and my grandfather served in WW2. Neither of them were ever Christians and not when they were in the Navy either. So why should people like my wather and grandfather have Christianity forced on them? They have rights too! America is not just for Jews Christians and Muslims! 

    My Grandfather passed away this year but my dad is still alive, and no he is not an Atheist! He is a Pagan. So he do has a religion. Just not Christianity and as others Americanscans in militarytary! There religion and rights count too!

    Also America was not founded as a Christian nation. There was some Christian influences.  but The founders looked to the Greeks and Romans when this Nation was started! If you look around you will see classical culter everywere in America!

    A little about myself: I’m an ex-Christians. I been one for over 5 years now. I was an Evangelical Christian. Now my religion is Hellenismos (Hellenic Polytheistic Reconstructionism). It means of the Hellenic I worship the Greek Gods And Goddesses. I want nothing to do with Christianity nor do I want it pushed on me. Also please, dont be disrespectful to my religion, which I know Christians often are to other religions

    Every American has freedom of religion. Not just Jews Christians and Muslims and the Military must understand that!
    May the Goddess Athena bless you always and keep you safe too.     

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    • Mort_fComment by Mort_f
      August 6, 2011 @ 10:40 am

      You will get no argument from me.

       Plato, or Socrates who Plato is supposedly quoting and describing, is one of my ‘guiding ;ights’. You can be certain that all of the educated ‘founding fathers’ of the USA were conversant of Plato and his writings, some even in the original Greek. And much of Plato’s ‘Republic’ is reflected in our republic. More than likely, your present religion has its roots in the religion that Plato subscribed to.

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    • IdylewyldeComment by Idylewylde
      August 6, 2011 @ 2:34 pm

      Jefferson was a Deist. Ben Franklin an atheist. Some of the Founding Fathers were Unitarians.

      I’m pretty sure their take on the Constitution wasn’t just religious freedom, but the right to keep one’s own conscience according to one’s own beliefs, secular or sectarian.

      Given the inherent plurality in the birth of this nation, Mikey Weinstein is a bigot trying to silence that very plurality. And his attack was specific. His attack was directed at Augustine.

      When you slander a specific religious figure, especially labeling him Right Wing Fundamentalist, and do it out of context, then this is a classic example of bigotry .. no basis in fact .. all stereotyping.
      How refereshing to see the Left engage in blatant bigotry under the banner of Equity.

      As to Plato and Socrates ..

      Socrates is the guy who made it impossible for government to hide behind an authoritarian regime based on intellectual absolutism.
      Socrates promoted a very important concept: Intellectual Honesty.
      Plato made Intellectual Honesty the cornerstone of his Republic.

      The Left has abondoned Socrates and Plato.
      The Left has embraced intellectual absolutism.
      The Left embraces the intellectually dishonest dogma: The end justifies the means.

      Form follows function.

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  33. willketcherComment by willketcher
    August 6, 2011 @ 7:08 pm

    you are dead wrong this nation was founded and based on judeo and christian values even the ten commandments are in the front of the capital building look for your self even the founding fathers believed in god if they didn’t they wouldn’t have mentioned him in either the constitution or the declaration of independence so repent your pagan atheist ways and lord will forgive your trespasses on him and his father 

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  34. willketcherComment by willketcher
    August 6, 2011 @ 7:20 pm

    we are a judeo and christian nation and should stay this way even in the bible is against all homo sexuals even marriage is sacred to a man and woman only all gay rights should be banned same with same sex marriage should be outlawed in every country etc. 

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  35. willketcherComment by willketcher
    August 6, 2011 @ 7:25 pm

    have you even bloody noticed the very rifles we use quotes john the baptist himself one of the apostles of jesus christ if ppl don’t follow god or his son jesus should burn in hell itself 

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  36. rgvsrComment by rgvsr
    August 7, 2011 @ 12:53 am

    I want use the A Hole word, But it is there own choice to beleive in the loss of there own soul, that they choose not to beleive God and Jesus for, so we can only tell people, preach , teach, give Gods love and knowledge for free, it is up too them to choose God, and you can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink it. It is only the end times, when you see such things being said and done against our Jesus and God, he told us and warned all his people of these days to come, so it is nothing to here such a thing for myself.I am just sorry i couldnt share my story of how God destroyed real demons in my life, and of his power and what he showed myself in his real time spirit, that was my real time eyeballs  of my flesh,and i have always beleived in God and Jesus, he just set an example for me to show me his power and the truth to this and the after life, i will be still praying for all who do not beleive in Jesus Christ, he is so very real, please have mercy on them and us all dear Jesus, amen!

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  37. reykoolComment by reykool
    August 7, 2011 @ 11:35 pm

    It is time for Mr Bobby Eberly and the vast majority of people who made comments, here (many are ignorant at best) to LEARN THE FACTS : The LAW OF THE LAND is not the Bible but the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, Obviously the majority of GOPusa readers did not realize that NOWHERE in the Constitution the word GOD can be found. Our Nation was founded as a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC NOT as a “Judeo Christian” Nation.
    READ THE CONSTITUTION : “Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” NOTHING LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE about it just Common sense. You can practice any Religion you want but should not force it upon others with Government legislations Further more the Pledge of Allegiance which is constantly shoveled down our children throat by our ” Christian conservatives” who are still complaining about “liberals” who want to remove the word “God” out of it. Was written by Francis Bellamy an American Socialist and Baptist Minister, the word GOD was never on the original Pledge.
    The original pledge read as follows : “I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice” AGAIN THE WORD GOD WAS NOT THERE ORIGINALLY…ONLY in 1954 after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus the word GOD was added by Congress for political correctness (same thing for our Dollar Bill)….
    HERE ANOTHER FACT : ONLY  TWO COUNTRIES  IN THE WORLD HAS A PLEDGE  TO THE FLAG:  NAZI GERMANY (National Socialist German Party)  and the UNITED STATES It  is time for the American people to realize that the old battle Republicans vs Democrats or Conservative vs Liberal is as “passe” as the dinosaurs We are no longer a Democratic Republic but a CORPORATIST OLIGARCHY, and both Republican and Democratic “leaders” serve the Oligarchy interest NOT the American People so blaming one side or the other is for the politically naive.
    Both parties work for the real power to be THE REAL DEAL IS NOT REPUBLICAN vs DEMOCRATS but THE RULING ELITE on its way to World Government VS The American People…ALL these crisis are staged with the collaboration of both sides of our Congress and executive branch which are just front men and women  for the real power that be: the central “Banksters” (Federal Reserve) who control the issuance of our currency and the major political decision through DEBT (wake up People Bush Obama or Palin  Rodney will make no difference)  their goal is to absorb America into a one – world private commercial government with a one world Electronic Currency, that is why they are gradually destroying the Dollar and Euro and destabilize the Middle East as well …So you keep fighting over “Gays in the military”..Or  go back to sleep while missing the real issues…
    Now this is for you blindly faithful Christians : It is not possible to find in any legitimate religious or historical writings compiled between the beginning of the first century and well into the fourth century any reference to Jesus Christ and all events that the church says accompanied his life, there is absolutely NOTHING on Jesus Christ other than ecclesiastic writings assembled during the FOURTH Century (codex Sinaiticus British Library London)
    There is an explanation for those hundred of years of silence : The construct of Christianity DID NOT BEGIN until AFTER the FIRST QUARTER OF THE FIRST CENTURY. and that is why Pope X (d 1521) called Christ a “fable” (cardinal Bembo: His letters op cit)
    FACT: In the fourth century the Roman Emperor Constantine united ALL religious factions under one composite deity and ordered the compilation of a new and old writings into a uniform collection that became the New Testament. It was CREATED for Political control.

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    • Mort_fComment by Mort_f
      August 8, 2011 @ 8:45 am

      I fully agree with your re-iteration of history, and am somewhat of the same opinion about the direction some of our leaders, or wouldbe leaders, are wont to take us.

      I would add that our Constitution, the framework of our government, owes more to Plato’s ‘Republic’ than it does to what is referred to as Judeo-Christian. In addition, I believe that the Bill of Rights owes a great deal to Plato’s ‘Apology’, a cry to protect freedom of thought and expression. It would be well to remember that Plato lived and died well befor Christianity was born.

      Note that the ‘Republic’ was not a democracy, nor was it a classless society. But neither is USA, from its inception, a classless democratic governmental structure. Is this the republic that B. Franklin was referring to in his classic answer when asked what kind of geovernment is being created? “A republic’, maam, if you can keep it”.

      I am adamantly opposed to ‘One World’ philosophy. The biblical allegory is the Tower of Babel, or possibly Babble’ would be a more apropo description. Perhaps I might approve of ‘One World’ if I were to be anointed as its Supreme Leader. Nah, never happen.

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  38. willketcherComment by willketcher
    August 8, 2011 @ 10:22 am

    wrong again reykool it is there under god in god we trust and if you don’t respect the ten commandments etc. or any law christian based even the constitution mentions the creator/god in it more than once same with declaration of independence that is where your wrong correct that statement please 

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  39. Son Of ThunderComment by mcrank
    August 9, 2011 @ 5:27 pm

    I posted my original comment on August 4th and I have read over the comments that have been posted since.  This subject matter naturally evokes very strong feelings and in reading what has been presented historically as well as in regards to personal beliefs, I would like to interject a thought.  I’m not going to get in a back-and-forth with anybody because I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind—just adding a perspective.

    Regardless of what “Judeo-Christian” means to any one individual or what it means in the strictest sense of the term, the point is, our forefathers were devout and demonstrated a strong belief in God.  For the sake of this post, I am referring to God as The One God—Creator of Heaven and Earth—His Son being Jesus Christ.  This devotion spilled over into their everyday lives and manifested itself in the writings that became the foundation for our country’s operating platform.  These people were not necessarily all of the same denomination or sect, but they were one in purpose.

    Religion is man’s attempt to mold God into what he wants Him to be—that is why we have so many different religions—broken down further into various denominations—represented by different churches—with the most visible differences being in ceremonial practices.  Catholics, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Baptists, etc all worship the One True God, but express their faith differently in matters of formality and ceremony.  Other differences regarding matters of how we live our lives—determining right from wrong—salvation by works vs faith—repentance and forgiveness, etc are all likewise affected by various Christian writers throughout history and which particular denomination or sect adopted which particular writer’s views.

    Christianity is a way of life—not a religion.  It is following in the steps of Jesus Christ and it determines how we conduct ourselves in every aspect of our daily lives—hence the term “Christian”.  Being religious is not synonymous with being Christian.  You are known as a Christian if you are a follower of Christ.

    Some of these differences are sharp enough to cause real conflict among the differing churches and their members.  Everybody wants to be right.  I don’t know that all of these points of contention will ever be resolved, but if we are united in purpose to seek the wisdom and guidance that comes from God, then let us emulate our founders in the daily practice of our faith as well as in the governance of our country.

    So, it is the external threats, such as militant atheism, that threatens the Judeo-Christian structure and the Christian principles that have found mainstream acceptance in our country, the roots of which are attributable to our founding fathers.  These doctrines and values have served us well and it is when they are threatened—thereby jeopardizing the mores and moral fiber that we adhere to—that we recognize the potential for those values to be compromised and possibly replaced with something that would ultimately be harmful to our society.

    So, it is the infusion into our society of non-Christian practices and beliefs that concerns so many of us and the destructive effects that will inevitably ensue that concerns us—and should concern us all.

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  40. winhill93Comment by winhill93
    August 10, 2011 @ 12:59 pm

    What is so wrong with a Judeo-Christian based theocracy? 

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  41. goodguynyComment by goodguyny
    October 3, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

    I know this comment is way over due but if people do not believe that is their business and that is protected by the Constitution under free speech. What IS wrong is those same people walking all over the same rights of those that DO believe. We have a lot more problems here than worrying about who believes in God and who doesn’t. It is a small point compared to everything else. I would even vote for an Atheist President if he understood this concept.

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  42. scottyoungComment by scottyoung
    September 10, 2014 @ 1:32 pm

    I think we as the United states have forgotten his individual freedom of words and speech . Funny because he fights for those freedom in witch he is persecuted for . Wow you have to lo e the US now wounder what’s next .

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