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Democrats and Taxes: Another Nail in their Coffins

By Bobby Eberle

In much the same fashion as Nancy Pelosi pushed through the massively unpopular health care bill despite election losses in 2009, she is at it again, this time with a bill to raise taxes on those people who actually create jobs. The message of the November elections was clear: We need to cut spending, reduce the size of government, and return power to the people. On taxes, we certainly should not be raising the rates on anyone when unemployment is still near ten percent. That's a certain job killer, but Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are pushing full steam ahead.

Despite calls to not raise taxes, Nancy Pelosi forced a vote on maintaining the current tax rates only for the so-called "middle class." By a vote of 234-188, Democrats voted to raise taxes for families earning over $250,000 a year and individuals who earn over $200,000. Everyone knows that these taxpayers pay most of the taxes. They also do the hiring, and if Barack Obama is serious about creating jobs, then the last thing you want to do is raise taxes.

Some Democrats do get the message. As noted in The Hill, "twenty Democrats broke with their party and voted against the bill after 33 had defected in a previous test vote. Most of those who voted with Republicans on the first ballot were members of the centrist Blue Dog Coalition, and many lost their bids to be reelected last month." The good news is that the bill will now move forward to the Senate, and Republicans have enough votes to filibuster the measure.

Congressional Republicans have a simple plan. Taxes are already too high. The economy is shaky at best. We should not be raising taxes on anyone. Period.

The Wall Street Journal notes that "fully 48% of the net income of sole proprietorships, partnerships, and S corporations reported on tax returns went to households with incomes above $200,000 in 2007. These types of entities pass through their incomes to personal tax returns. Thus, increasing taxes on the top two income brackets directly raises taxes on these small businesses. The The National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) small business survey indicates that "the businesses most likely to face a tax increase by raising the top two rates are businesses employing between 20 and 250 employees. According to U.S. Census data, businesses with between 20 and 299 workers employ more than 25 percent of the total workforce."

Small businesses created 2/3 of the net new jobs in the last decade. With small businesses struggling to recover from the recession and unemployment near 10 percent, no small business should face a tax increase.

According to an NFIB poll, 75 percent of small businesses are organized as pass-through entities (sole proprietors, partnerships, S Corps, etc.), meaning they pay taxes on their business income based on the individual tax rates.

And now for the politics of all of this. Here's John Boehner's take on the House vote:

And what's Nancy Pelosi's opinion? She still thinks that unemployment payouts create jobs!

All of this is simply political drama. The Democrats know the American people have spoken. They have controlled both Houses of Congress and yet have left the tax issue until the last minute just to, once again, pit one economic group against the other. They tap one person on the shoulder and say, "See what that guy has? You deserve it too. But you don't need to work for it. We'll take it from him and give to you." Pathetic.

The Hill reports that a deal is in the works despite the antics of Pelosi and Reid. According to their sources, "all the Bush tax cuts would be extended for two years and unemployment benefits would be extended for one, according to congressional sources. Also under consideration is an extension of the Make Work Pay and college-tuition tax credits that were part of the 2009 economic stimulus package." However, before we can get to this point, the Senate will likely still go through the motions of voting on bills that will NOT get passed.

Congress needs to act, and what they need to do is permanently extend all the current tax rates. Otherwise, we will simply go through all of this again. The next step is to actually cut spending and LOWER taxes. That is the real way to grow the economy and create jobs. If the Democrats don't get on board with what the American people want, then they should brace themselves for another electoral nightmare.

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  1. EllisComment by Ellis
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:01 am

    I am confused. Democrats voted overwhelmingly to continue tax cuts for 100% of Americans and to continue the Bush tax cuts for 98% of Americans.
    Republicans voted overwhelmingly to opposed the continuation of these tax cuts.
    Republicans are making a stand to enrich a very tiny segment of the population at the expense of our economy. Giving this group tax cuts ten years ago was part of a fiscally irresponsible policy that contributed to our current mess. I question the GOP’s motives on this.

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  2. littleoneComment by littleone
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:12 am

    Ellis,
    Did you read the article? The whole point is that businesses create jobs, and businesses will end up with higher taxes if ALL the tax cuts are not extended.
    If people aren’t hiring now (unemployment up to 9.8% as of today) what will happen if small businesses get crushed with a large tax increase? The answer is less taxes and smaler government.

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  3. donComment by don
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:19 am

    The point of the Republicans vote is that this is NOT a tax reduction bill that will benefit the economy. This is a major tax on small businessmen! Small businessmen do most of the hiring in our economy. More taxes means less hiring. The actual number of people not in business that this bill affects is relatively small. Such people already have tax shelters and trusts in place. I’d like to see a survey of how many Democratic congressmen already have trusts, overseas accounts and massive tax protection in place. Warren Buffet pays less tax than I do. I’m sure his take-home pay is over $250,000/year. Mine is definately not! I can’t afford the financial and legal advice to protect myself as he has.

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  4. JonnyAmericanComment by JonnyAmerican
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:27 am

    Ellis |
    “I am confused. Democrats voted overwhelmingly to continue tax cuts for 100% of Americans and to continue the Bush tax cuts for 98% of Americans.”
    Yes he is very confused. If Democrats overwhelmingly voted for tax cuts for 100% of Americans (Except earners over 200,000) then I can say 2% is really zero, well in his mind anyway! This shows how the Liberal lies render the believers into stupidity!
    Maybe He hasn’t had his morning coffee yet!

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  5. LucyLuComment by LucyLu
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:39 am

    Ellis, the tax rate has been stable for several years. That rate was established by the Bush tax cuts.
    If those tax cuts are not extended tax rates will rise. That is a tax increase.
    There is NO possibility of anyone getting a tax cut for further enrichment, as you put it. The status quo may be extended or taxes may go up. Those are the only two possibilities.
    Small business owners provide most of the jobs in this country. Those owners will not hire until they know if their taxes are going to be increased.
    If they find out that their tax rate will be increased they will not hire new employees and will very likely cut positions in order to pay those taxes.
    If they find out that their tax rate will remain stable they will know how to plan for an increase in business, how many positions they can afford to add, etc.
    Poor men do not provide jobs but middle income small business owners do. Do you want more jobs or do you just want to increase taxes on those you consider “rich”?

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  6. Old BillComment by Old Bill
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:48 am

    Would someone please pass ELLIS DECEMBER some of Old Jim Jones’s KOOL AID.

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  7. LucyLuComment by LucyLu
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:52 am

    Ellis, I have one more thing to say to you.
    This is America, formerly known as the land of opportunity, where a poor man could work hard and become a middle class man or even a rich man.
    IF we are going to have this tax system, and that is a topic for a different debate, then it should be based on fairness by percentage, without regard to total income.
    If the tax rate is 10% then it should be 10% for both the poor man and the rich man. The rich man should not be penalized for his hard work and his success. He will naturally pay more because 10% of a large income is more than 10% of a small one. Requiring a larger percentage from him because he is successful is a communist principle, not an American principle.
    Stop penalizing success and our economy will flourish. A flourishing economy enriches everyone who is willing to work.

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  8. Liberty4310Comment by Liberty4310
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:56 am

    Set aside, for a moment, the fact that tax cuts have always resulted in increased government revenues. Can Nancy Pelosi be for real when she states that unemployment results in more employment because the unemployed spend their meager unemployment compensation check immediately and it has a multiplier effect of $2 for every dollar spent? I read a study, yesterday, that tax cuts for businesses result in a multiplier of 5:1, including investment in equipment, expansion, and, you guessed it, hiring new employees. Wouldn’t it be advantageous to take advantage of the 5:1 vs. Nancy’s 2:1? Just wondering.

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  9. BadgerComment by Badger
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:57 am

    If I give you 100 dollars and you give me back 26, am I 26 dollars ahead or 74 dollars in the hole. That’s what a government job is. Taxes are not collected on government jobs, that’s just part of the smoke and mirrors Washington has become.
    Go ahead, take all the money from the wealthy, we don’t want to build and maintain their homes, their yaugts, cars and work in the businesses from which they earn their money. We’ll all go to work for the Government. But remember, the government creates nothing but rules and regulations that interfear in your life. Once the real producers in our society are stripped bare by the likes of Madame Speaker, we can all just go down to the smithsonian and take in some of the pornagraphic art that money will help to pay for.
    Just make sure to buckle your seatbelt, wear your helmet if your on your bike, keep your kids away from happy meals, stop smoking etc etc etc … oh I forgot, cars arn’t PC anymore … we can walk hand and hand singing kumbaya …
    To be serious for a minute, wealthy people either spend their money, or it’s invested in the banks who in turn lend it to people like you to buy a house. That’s a win win for us as employess of private enterprise. When the government gets their hands on it, it ends up being waisted on things like Piss Christ through the National endowment for the arts.
    Wake the heck up would you.

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  10. JDZComment by JDZ
    December 3, 2010 @ 10:58 am

    It is amazing how good liberal politicians are at confusing the American public and demonizing conservative Republicans. It happens over and over again and Pelosi is one of the best at this strategy. How many times does she use the phrase “lower the tax rates for 95% of Americans” or give tax breaks to the wealthy as she continues to depict Republicans. Another statement they use all of the time is the supposed increase in the national debt if we leave the Bush tax cuts in place for those making over $250k per year.
    I am sick of hearing this **** coming from Pelosi or the liberals in this country.
    We wouldn’t be in this debate if the Dems had allowed Bush to make the existing tax rates permanent when they were changed 10 years ago.
    It is a fact that Democrats just want to spend, spend, spend. They believe in higher taxation and will never cut costs to balance the budget or decrease the national debt. Obama admitted this week that the money that would come if the top tax rate cut is not extended would not be used to reduce the national debt. He has better uses for this “windfall”.
    The upper 5% of taxpayers account for over 85% of the tax revenue and the upper 1% accounts for 75% by themselves, but this is not enough for the liberals. They want to take more of this group’s income instead of cutting spending. They want to take the easy way out by raising the tax rates which is what they always do. The are now using “social justice” and “income redistribution” as their mantra under Obama.
    They just will not listen to anyone who shows them that their tax and spend policies do not work in our capitalistic system.
    Enough is enough.

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  11. buzzmasterComment by buzzmaster
    December 3, 2010 @ 11:11 am

    This discussion seems to side-step the main point, taxes on businesses vs. taxes on individuals. There are still many entrepreneurs who operate their personal income and business income as one, but this is a dying breed. Most people are hired and retained as employees of a business, not of an individual. Therefore, granting tax discounts to wealthy individuals does not create jobs, whereas, tax discounts to businesses do.
    As long as the discussion is wrapped around whether or not individuals deserve tax breaks does not deal with the matter of creating jobs. Any attempt to treat them as the same is only done to confuse the listener.

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  12. judy rComment by judy r
    December 3, 2010 @ 11:20 am

    The point is ,WE THE PEOPLE said continue the Bush Tax Cuts. That is all they need to do if they want to continue to get paid. For a second time again in this country the majority should rule. We are tired of not being listened to.

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  13. FlashprismComment by Flashprism
    December 3, 2010 @ 11:32 am

    It’s about time that the goverment punished those who invest and take risk. We all know that the filthy rich collect there illgotten gains from us poor people and hide it under their beds or in coffee cans in their back yard.
    If they would only deposit their wealth in banks or buy stocks or invest in their own businesses we would have more jobs.
    It’s better to give the money to Obama so we can spend millions on training people in afica how to clean uncircumsized penises. Thank God for the progressives they will make things right

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  14. bobnipComment by bobnip
    December 3, 2010 @ 11:35 am

    Three trillion of the almost 14 trillion debt is the result of (stimulus) giving money to the European Banks controlling the European Union. This is another step toward a “One World Government.” And, it goes along way toward fulfilling Obama’s desire to spread the wealth. Meanwhile, people are hurting in the United States. Jobs are scarce. Unemployment extensions have come to an end. And, people are getting desperate. You will see crime increase in America as Americans struggle to put food on the table.
    The theory of economics Communists subscribe to is called Keynesian Economics. The basic theory is that an economy will stabilize with continuing serious unemployment. They refer to is as “underemployment equilibrium”. The intent is to lower wages, change business gains into losses, reduce personal incomes and reduce investment. Also, individual’s savings are depleted. In this way savings are kept equal to investment. Then the government borrows and invests. If it borrows and invests enough all savings would be offset by their investment at a high level of output. That is what we see with our Tax Dollars going to Europe.
    In a nutshell, individual economic advancement is squelched. People become totally reliant and subservient to big government. Thus, total control. Lenin would be proud!

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  15. BadgerComment by Badger
    December 3, 2010 @ 11:52 am

    Buzzmaster. Gardeners, Housekeepers, Personal Assistants, Luxury Car Technicians, Marina workers, that’s just a few of the many professions that benefit from a wealthy persons personal income. Most people I’ve known in those upper income brackets that you want to tax so heavily are no better off than I am when it comes to spare cash. They have bigger mortgages, bigger car payments, pay more for services on those higher end items and in general 250,000 in a place like California becomes chump change if you want to own a house.
    It’s nice of you to DISCOUNT? me a little of the money that I work hard for every day as I’m not in that upper income group. Of course I’ll have no income to Discount when you are through with my employer, he is one of those entrepreneurs who operates on his personal income.

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  16. FlaJimComment by FlaJim
    December 3, 2010 @ 12:50 pm

    Buzz, you’re so wrong. All my business customers are sole proprietors, partners, and shareholders in Subchapter S corporations and LLCs (I’m a bookkeeper and tax professional).
    Years ago, when I was a Subchapter S shareholder, we had a banner year and decided it was time to do some more hiring and put 3 people on the payroll over the next year. Now, if the government had been taking more from us, there’s no way we would have made that decision.
    Dems aren’t interested in ‘fairness’ or better opportunities. They are interested in your wallet and lightening it, however. Guess they think it’s ‘fair’ that we shouldn’t have such a heavy burden to bear.

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  17. mikeComment by mike
    December 3, 2010 @ 12:50 pm

    Ever since these tax cuts were put into place all we have heard from the left and the media is how these tax cuts only benefited the rich.The left stream media should be called out by the media on the right,to explain why all of sudden these tax cuts apply to the middle class,in addition too the rich.

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  18. TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
    December 3, 2010 @ 1:49 pm

    Buzzmaster, let me clear a few things up for ya.
    First, there are hundreds of thousands of those business owners that operate charging their business income as personal income. They are not, as you say, a “dyeing breed.”
    Of course, if we go along with your way of thinking and separate out this income, than most, if not all of them, will receive a hefty tax increase, because, personal income carries far fewer deductions than business income, which will increase their total tax bill.
    Without the Bush tax cuts being extended or made permanent, and in addition, have their taxes cut, these businesses will, in all likelyhood, become a dead breed.
    They will probably close up shop at worst and at best, severely cut back their work force, to compensate for the lost personal income they have paid to the taxman.
    The small business owner, still has to pay his personal and family expenses, mortgage, lights, heating, food, clothing etc. These personal living expenses are constant. Where is the money going to come from?
    These actions will be just great for the economy, don’t ya think? All those employees that were let go will easily find new jobs, ya think?
    Now let’s look at those “rich corporations.”
    If the Bush tax cuts are not extended to them as well, they will be paying the highest corporate tax rates in the world.
    Two false assumptions that you, and the rest of the liberals in this country have deluded themselves into believing.
    First, that these highly taxed corporations will run, slobbering to the IRS office to pay their increased taxes. They will not. They will not, because Corporations (businesses) do not pay taxes.
    Consumers will pay those taxes in the form of increased prices they pay for the goods and services that the corporations produce. in addition, as a cost cutting measure, corporations will reduce their work force, throwing even more people out of work and/or reduce employee benefits, longer hours for the same pay, etc. This will also be great for the economy, right???
    Lastly, if the above described corporations produce a product or service that can and is being produced overseas, at lower costs, they will simply pick up their marbles, lock, stock and bank accounts and move overseas to compete.
    Bravo for the economy again.

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  19. RiverKingComment by RiverKing
    December 3, 2010 @ 2:21 pm

    Based on the performance of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi since the mid-term elections debacle, 2012 will be even worse. I’m predicting a Republican landslide with Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck at the head of the ticket. Anyone with a pulse will do even better.

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  20. SandyComment by Sandy
    December 3, 2010 @ 3:19 pm

    Since the Bush tax cuts caused all the problems we are having despite the hard work and expertise of the Democrats, can someone tell me why the Democrats want to keep any of them?
    After all if they go away, that should solve all of our problems. For that matter, instead of TARP and the stimulus bill, they should have voted to end the tax cuts two years ago.
    Being an engineer, my math is not as good as a liberal’s, so would someone please explain to me how we cannot afford the $700 billion by keeping the tax cuts for the top earners but we can afford the $2 trillion by keeping the tax cuts on the rest?
    Perhaps I need to enroll in a public school to get that kind of math training.

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  21. Dingbat36Comment by Dingbat36
    December 3, 2010 @ 3:44 pm

    Poor Ellis is what is wrong with the rank and file of the Demon-Rat party. These people actually listen to the drivel shoveled at them by their leaders, blindly and without question. Example, Nasty Pelosi’s continuing statements that unemployment benefits help to drive the economy. Who in their right mind can see an unemployment check as anything but a scrape by sustainable amount of money which barely, if even, covers expenses.
    I certainly doubt that the local grocery store is putting on any new hires because there are 200 people shopping there to feed their family on their unemployment checks. That method of “getting by” would not leave room for the purchase of any goods which are produced by a healthy marketplace, new TV sets, computers, smart phones or whatever. Those items are the ones that people on unemployment don’t even have the money to continue using, to say nothing of upgrading!.

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  22. buzzmasterComment by buzzmaster
    December 3, 2010 @ 4:36 pm

    I believe the discussion is about creating jobs. While there are a great number of independent contractors who are, therefore, sole proprietors, most employ only handful of people if any. As a business grows, it typically benefits the business to operate as a separate legal entity, for state and national taxing purposes, and to avoid personal liability. Of course, there are a dozen or so types of business formations. It is to these I would hope that tax breaks would be directed rather than to be directed at individuals. I have operated several businesses, the least beneficial being sole proprietorship since it afforded the fewest benefits and creates the greatest jeopardy. My current business is a small corporation.
    I would personally benefit from the “tax breaks for the wealthy” and the continuation Bush’s “qualified income” tax rate of 15%. However, I won’t be using any tax break windfall to create more jobs in my business. Bu, yes, as was pointed out, I would likely hire more independent contractors during the year to personally benefit my lifestyle, wherein this is an example where the tax break will create a few temporary jobs.

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  23. BadgerComment by Badger
    December 3, 2010 @ 6:21 pm

    “I believe the discussion is about creating jobs.”
    hehehehehehehehee … didn’t you mean the Bush Tax cuts. Change the subject did we? That’s OK.
    Seriously, I am glad you are doing well. Now take your tax break and spend it. Buy a boat, an RV, take a vacation. Above all enjoy yourself, you’ll be doing a good thing for the economy. And isn’t that what it’s all about, enjoying what we have worked hard to attain. Not in Washington’s eyes it isn’t.
    We do have to find a way to overcome the stupidity these liberals have been immersing the young ones in, and teach them some usable skills, not much demand for putting rubbers on bananas these days is there. And why do we want those sweat shop factories back anyway? Let the other countries have them so they can build their lifestyles the same way we have in this country and they won’t all be trying to come here. Meanwhile we should be focusing on the higher end jobs that will afford our citizens a good standard of living and keep us in the lead on the 1st world stage, not the 3rd. Can you imagine where we could have been now had we stayed on JFKs path to other planets and not followed LBJs path into the great society. Had the boomer generation sought engineering and science instead of law and sociology for career goals, we most likely wouldn’t need the lawyers or the social workers. Oh well … you changed the subject …

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  24. MystiComment by Mysti
    December 3, 2010 @ 8:33 pm

    THE BUSH TAX CUTS SHOULD BE FOR EVERYONE. THE CUTS SHOULD BE FOR THE WEALTHY, ALSO BUT “ONLY” FOR THE ONES WHO OWN BUSINESSES AND ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE ECONOMY. DON’T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.

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  25. gregm1Comment by gregm1
    December 4, 2010 @ 2:25 am

    Basically, Obama and his fellow IslamoCommunists that we aggregately hired on Nov 4, 2008, know precisely what they are doing.
    You all can see their behavioral trending. Their intention is to bring down the United States as the biggest holdout to their plan of world domination–are you surprised? Or how else can you explain their actions? Communist “Czars”? The Communists always wanted to rule the world as the dictators of, not from, the proletariat. The Islamists always wanted to rule the world making as their excuse, Allah directed it. What’s the most addictive drug all down through history? Genesis 3:5b “You shall be as God.”
    What’s this got to do with the Democrats (and establishment Republicans aka RINOs as opposed to conservatives) wanting to tax a la Ellis above? Economically kill off the small businesses and you effectively destroy the economy of a substantial part of the United States. With America in economic ruins, how long do you think it would take for a lot of us to be in the FEMA death camps? — Once we go animal and riot? Or what is this Northern Command of the U.S. Army all about?
    As for conservative political leaders, what would they do once they’ve achieved the Presidency, or close to it? Does George Soros and his buddies (e.g. Maurice Strong, Rebecca Peters, etc) have a weapon personally pointed at those in high office, like their families? Why are all the Western democracies going communist bit by bit? Might the Councils on Foreign Relations or Bilderbergers, or Tri-Lateral Commission have anything to do with it? (And why these indescript names for these groups?)
    This tax fight is just one of a large number of fronts in this multi-dimensional warfare replete with fifth columns everywhere and their useful idiots.
    A few years ago a Forum member once stated that each election that the Democrats (captive of the communist world view however they call themselves–liberal, progressive, socialist, Marxist, Alinskyites, Maoists, Leninist, whatever) lose the Presidency, they’re going to get more shrill, more threatening, more screaming about intolerance, bigotry, racism, class warfare, and the like (to fool the undue diligent as well as deceive their rank and file). That one time that they win control, either the House, Senate, and/or Presidency, you’ll be seeing who they really are, as we are all seeing since Nov 4, 2008, when we, the People, hired them into a majority for all three.
    And that Member wrote that after such an event as had occurred on Nov 4, 2008, we conservative Americans would be searching for jobs (our small business employers being taxed out of business, as are the family farms), keeping from feeding our families vacuum for daily dinners and fighting both an IslamoFascist and Communist momentum 10 times as hard as before Nov 7, 2006. That’s three full time jobs that very few of us are being paid for.
    Do you remember after the November 7, 2006, midterm elections, what that resultant 110th Democrat-Controlled Congress (House) tried to do? Basically throw every piece of anti-American counter-conservative legislation against the wall and see how much of it stuck. That’s from Shamnesty to economic communist redistribution to anti-Second Amendment, to living Constitution with a precise Amendment process, and so forth.
    Cutting to the chase, these Democrats and their Republican useful idiots (repeal and replace ObamaCare? What is this kemo sabe?) are making as much hay as possible while the sun still somewhat shines. That’s why Pelosi, Obama, and Reid are going at top speed regardless of going diametrically opposite to the aggregate American people as expressed on November 2, 2010. From their point of view, anything less translates into a lesser chance of their goal of “being as God” or one-world government (or why do you think Obama calls or implies himself to be a “Citizen of the World” for?).
    So, fellow conservatives bent on preserving our sovereignty and our morale/social, economic/fiscal, strict constructionist/legal/judicial and national defense/immigration conservatism, do you see a glimpse of what we are all up against?

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  26. gregm1Comment by gregm1
    December 4, 2010 @ 2:31 am

    And as for my fellow believers in Jesus Christ, I have a special rebuke: 2 Chronicles 7:14, a verse adopted by a recent National Day of Prayer. So why do you believers think that the culture is turning against us: prayer in schools (OUR tax payer funded schools), the total misinterpretation of the First Amendment of this non-existent “separation of church from state” except where the communists want like IslamoFascism, e.g. New York City Mayor Bloomberg and the Ground Zero Mosque, anything but Christ. We believers have been so caught up in the world of America that we forgot about being salt in the culture and light on the hill. And we would have the unbelievable arrogance to think, much more say, that politics is dirty. We’re dirty, filthy as rags (and do you know just how filthy those rags were in those days—full of leprosy bacteria and such), or we wouldn’t need God the Son to DIE for US. And what is politics, but how a group of people makes joint decisions? So we don’t vote much less hold the resultant elected official to account. There is going to be a 2 Corinthians 5:10 for each of us believers alone. Go look it up for what we will face in front of Christ.
    And what does 2 Chronicles 7:14 say about the consequences of what we believers do, or not do? In short, the loss of our nation and its original ideals would be on our heads, period. That doesn’t excuse non-believers, by the way, in the end, but that definitely doesn’t excuse us.
    And its harder, much harder now as pointed out above, for us conservatives and believers in Christ (frequently one and the same) to arrest this quickening slide into a godless IslamoCommunism (replete with communists and Islamists of all stripes, including sex sinners being a core of both camps) across the board, but like many of us bothered to show over 4 weeks ago, we can still do this (because the IslamoCommunist side aren’t yet ready to blow us away like what the Kims do in North Korea [mash us]).

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  27. JoeComment by Joe
    December 4, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

    excesive taxation was one of the reasons people flead to America, along with forced religion, and a very poor way of life in general. Now 200 + years later……..
    WE are being over taxed our religious belief are being attacked and our way of life is deminishing at the hands of who? POLITICIANS
    Do Americans really think that our elected officials are going to do the right thing?
    Here is my thinking on the subject.
    1. Trust in GOD, not politicians.
    2. Stop paying taxes, they can’t arrest us all.
    3. Stop welfare, help each other willingly.
    4. secure our borders, do not allow illegal immagration to be a burden on OUR country.
    5. Anyone hiring illegals will lose their business licence and be fined and/or jailed.
    6. Quit complaining about the way thing are, and do something about it, make your voice more than just a vote. WE can not save our country just talking about it.
    7. If for some reason you do not understand what is happening, ask someone who does, to explain it.
    8. Take back the school system. Teaching the wrong thing is worse than not teaching at all.
    It is OK if you do not agree with me, but if you all, as AMERICANS, continue to sit silent and do nothing to stop a politically corrupted out of control government WE will all suffer Satans wrath. Rule #1 Trust in GOD
    GOD BLESS AMERICANS and help us to do the right thing.

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  28. felineladyComment by felinelady
    December 5, 2010 @ 4:55 am

    Why is it, then, that the Bush cuts created only 1 million jobs during the past 10 years, while the Clinton reign created 22 million? Why is it that the banks are not lending either to businesses or to potential homeowners? Why is that the the Wall Streeters who caused this mess in the first place are still making $$$ hand over fist? Why is it that nothing has ‘trickled’ down? It’s because the ‘wealthy’ are simply greedy, and do not invest in ‘small’ business; they are both hoarders and spend only on themselves ~ after all, they DO need that 5th mansion and 3rd yacht! The lifestyles of the rich are an abomination to Christian principles.
    And when they talk about taxing those who ‘make’ over $250K, they’re talking net, not gross. Most small business owners, which DO create the jobs in this country, net well under $250K. We could also compromise, and make it $500K; that might make the pill a little easier to swallow.
    Let’s get real ~ eliminate the entire tax structure and institute a simple flat tax on income AND benefits. That should eliminate all those offshore accounts, too. No deductions & no exceptions. Period.
    I am neither Democrat or Republican, but have stood in the middle for 62 years, observing the war between the 2% ‘haves’ and the 98% ‘have nots.” I have tried to vote for what’s best for America, rather than one side or the other. Too bad our politicians don’t, but, then, most of them today are lawyers, who are trained to take sides. Few of them have truly labored. My one observation is that the 98% have not made any economic progress since the 1970s, and are despairing of ever achieving the American Dream, or have seen their Dream vaporize. The other 2% is a number that’s increased since the ’70s from part of a percentage to the current 2%. And that 2% is rising at an unprecedented rate. Nothing should be taken from one side & given to the other, but lack of caring for one’s neighbor is running this nation aground. And God will not help us, because He’s given us free will. He’s seen what we’ve done with it, and is simply observing what now we WILL do with it. It’s all up to us. Does anyone remember the ‘Golden Rule?’ My last observation is that, if we continue on our current partisan course, the United States will go the way of the Roman Empire; no civilization lasts forever. They are usually destroyed internally by their own inhabitants, paving the way for invading forces. My greatest fear, however, is that, unless we all cooperate, this entire species is doomed.

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  29. CarmineComment by Carmine
    December 5, 2010 @ 4:13 pm

    Since almost 50% of the people do not pay any tax under the current tax code, lowering the rate for 95% of the people will reduce the actual tax paid by another 45%. The only people stuck with the bill is the top 5%, who as I understand already pay over 90% of the taxes. This will of course cause them to pay an even larger percentage of the taxes received. Is it me or is there something wrong with this thinking? And how is this supposed to help?

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  30. dnlchisholmComment by dnlchisholm
    December 5, 2010 @ 5:58 pm

    As much as many prognosticators and so-called experts are saying President Obama is going to have a tough time getting re-elected, the reality of the situation is that President Obama will get re-elected against almost any potential GOP challenger.
    However, one candidate cannot be over-looked. If we learned anything from 2008, we should’ve learned that organization and social media skills are paramount to a campaign. No one is actually going to “come out of nowhere”. To become the most powerful person in the world, you have to build quite an organization. That’s why only one person has a chance to beat President Obama in 2012.
    This will make it all clear:
    http://mittromneycentral.com/2010/05/07/no-apology-song-the-case-for-american-greatness/

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  31. Claire MartinComment by Claire Martin
    December 6, 2010 @ 10:34 am

    felinelady, how on earth can you believe that “the 2%” are “still” rich, and the 98% have made no progress at all?
    Different names crop up in the annual list of the richest people in the U.S., and for heaven’s sake, millions — literally millions — of people are making more money today than they did 1,5,10,20 years ago. They are part of your 98%
    Where do you live that you believe our economic status remains static? How in the world do you think the Tea Partiers and 9/12-ers and 8/28-ers got to Washington and elsewhere from all over the U.S.? They didn’t have SEIU and Arianna Huffington paying for their bus tickets.
    Know what? If the tax rates were levelled to 15% flat, across the board, your top 2% who make $lm a year would pay $150,000; one who earns $10b would pay $1,500,000,000; and one of your 98% who earns $40,000 would pay $6,000. Does that punish rich guys enough for you? Haven’t you noticed that even the Democrats consider $200-$250k as “middle class?”
    We’re not Kenya or Uganda or Cuba — yet.

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  32. pearlComment by pearl
    December 6, 2010 @ 1:32 pm

    Apparently, you have not been listening or understanding this entire issue. In a nutshell, WHEN YOU RAISE TAXES, YOU LOWER REVENUE. It is not just axiomatic, it is historically certain. Small businesses are taxed at the rate of individuals, they are the engine for new jobs, they are already suffering under the socialist policies of Obama & Co., and now you would raise their taxes so they can’t hire? Well, clearly you haven’t listened to the many eloquent explanations that are already out there. Why would you listen to me? Some people are invincibly ignorant.

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  33. antiliberalismComment by antiliberalism
    December 6, 2010 @ 1:33 pm

    LOW, MIDDLE, and UPPER “class” is a political creation used to pit Americans against Americans. Class warfare does not benefit anyone, yet the very tax structure we have is built upon it. Who in government became God and can determine for all who can “afford” to pay more? What gives any of us the right to generalize this, and apply it to others? Even more to the point, what gives one group of citizens the right to decide for another group of citizens how much they should pay in taxes – particularly when based on such bogus generalizations? This sounds so inherently un-American, that I simply can’t believe this is the norm in today’s political discourse.
    Are we Americans or aren’t we? Are we in this together or not? Apparently not. Nearly 50% of Americans pay no federal taxes, yet get the same benefits of the tax-funded government as other individuals who do pay federal taxes. In fact, a sub-group of this 50% actually live off the taxation provided by the heavy lifters (producers) in society. Fair? Many on the left and (sadly) the right believe it is. They believe that the poor are children who must be minded by the federal government. This is how we treat them, as children, not as adults, capable of taking care of themselves and of proudly holding up their end of the American bargain (there is a huge price paid here, and one not easily calculated).
    This is all completely unfair. You see, fairness has nothing to do with outcome, but opportunity and equality under the law. This is clearly not the case, today. The tax rate should be low enough so that everyone can pay it. It should either be a Fair Tax or Flat Tax, not this tiered, Socialistic nonsense we have today. There should be no deductions, no loopholes, and no write-offs. You pay X% (in sales tax or flat IT), period. And everyone pays it. If you live off taxpayer money (welfare), you don’t vote, as you now have a potential conflict of interest (politicians promising more entitlements that everyone else pays for, if you vote for them).
    Of course, this would not be an issue if the text of the Constitution was adhered to, but that’s another discussion.
    The fact that Pelosi and crew balk at the continuaion of the current tax rate, speaks volumes, IMO. Someone please tell them that their logic only works if the money is theirs (government’s) in the first place. They act as if the Bush tax cuts were a present that they personally gave you. Sorry, taking less of what is rightfully mine in the first place is NOT a gift.
    The money is ours, not yours. The huge bills that have been run up were done AGAINST my will. I warned you by letter and e-mails what would happen if you continued. I told you to cut spending. I told you a long time ago that entitlements alone – if not addressed – would sink this nation. I told you this 20 years ago, when you could have done something about it without causing nearly the pain we’ll end up experiencing because of your inaction.
    So now, here we are. Many trillions more in debt, with 10′s of trillions in unfunded entitlement obligations. We’ve seen entitlement spending go up about 25% since 2007. With Obamacare, this is going to increase even faster. The answer to this from the left? More taxes to pay the bills! No way. I’ve seen what you’ve done with all the other tax increases given to you. You’ve spent it all, and then some. Leave taxes where they are until you can learn fiscal restraint. When I see real, aggressive cuts being made, and real effort to bring the budget into balance, THEN you have the right to at least breach the subject to Americans. Until then, cut spending or shut up.

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  34. donComment by don
    December 7, 2010 @ 7:58 am

    When, If, or Will the congress of this great nation get what they were sent to D.C. to do???? It seams as though they still don’t get what this country is all about. When in the name of GOD has a nation put their citizens on the back side ,and then put people that do not have any right to be here in this country to the for front ahead of the people born a citizen of the U.S. I don’t care one bit where these people are from if they came into the U.S. illegal then kick there *** out. Go to the country that you came from and protest them. Will you live long???? It was at one time you only had to pay on any thing was death and taxes. what has happened is we pay for all those people who came the wrong way so congress as every one knows will tax the citizen to pay for the illegal STOP IT YOU JERKS IN D.C.

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  35. BettyComment by Betty
    December 7, 2010 @ 5:03 pm

    A Democrat who takes income tax deductions, does so, to keep from paying more taxes. This makes no cents. Democrats take deductions on their tax returns to keep from paying more taxes, but they want everyone to pay more taxes. Hmmm! Everyone?
    Betty

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  36. JDZComment by JDZ
    December 10, 2010 @ 10:52 am

    Let’s all push to throw out the current federal income tax system and replace it with a flat tax rate that applies to everyone regardless of their income. Apply this rate to all gross income with no tax deductions so that those that make more money, pay more taxes, period. It is what many call a “fair” tax concept.
    This would simplify everything and get rid of the this “class warfare” that continues over and over again. It also would force the federal government to learn to live within a “predictable” amount of tax revenue coming in every year, and reduce the time wasted that happens over and over again with regard to budgeting, etc.
    It would almost eliminate the need for 90% of the IRS because the tax structure would be so much simpler. It would also destroy the manuevers that the billionaires, etc. do to move money around and hide it off shore, etc. to avoid paying taxes. They would have to pay the flat tax rate on ALL income regardless of where it comes from and there would be no tax shelters allowed.
    The citizens in this country need to stand up and support a complete reformation of the current tax system. This would be the best first move in the longer term strategy needed to regain fiscal control of the federal government and to put in place the steps needed to reduce the national debt.

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  37. kasmakComment by kasmak
    December 18, 2010 @ 4:38 pm

    One I think it’s funny that nobody wants to mention that Bush-era deregulation got us in this economic mess in the first place. A republican congress approved the repeal of those laws that stopped banks from essentially gambling.
    Two, the wealthy in this country are the one class of citizen that can afford to pay taxes.
    Three, republican senators held up a bill to provide 911 first responders with health care on the basis the most wealthy in this country don’t get a tax hike. That is so despicable, it should be considered treason.
    The GOP has lost touch with America, it only represents big business and the wealthy. For God sakes wake up!

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