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'Save Our State' vs. Islam in Oklahoma

By Bobby Eberle

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On Election Day, not only will Oklahoma voters help decide who represents them in Congress and their state legislature, they will also decide whether to officially prohibit Islamic law from being used in rulings in Oklahoma courtrooms. The measure puts renewed focus on those who claim that Sharia law is working itself into European courts and may soon spread to America.

FoxNews.com reports that the "media blitz" has started from a group called Act! For America which supports the proposed state constitutional amendment.

We want to make sure that the people in Oklahoma are educated about what Shariah law is all about and its ramifications," Brigitte Gabriel, president and CEO of the group, told FoxNews.com. "We're not taking any chances with this initiative passing marginally. We hope it passes with great victory."

But opponents say the initiative is the latest example of Muslims being unfairly targeted and could discourage foreign companies from doing business in the state if they believe international agreements won't be honored in court.

Muneer Awad, executive director of the Oklahoma branch of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), told FoxNews.com, "We take a stand in opposition to the proposed amendment." (As a side note, CAIR has also been linked to the funding of Hamas, has supported the NAACP's claim that the Tea Party movement is racist, and supported the judge's ruling that blocked Arizona's new illegal immigration law.)

Shariah is the basis of law in most Islamic countries and has been used in Iran and Somalia, among other places, to condone harsh punishments like amputations and stoning.

Gabriel argued that Shariah law is taking hold in Europe, noting that at least 85 Shariah courts are operating in Britain.

"When we look at Europe, it is a preview of what's coming to the United States," she said. "We want to make sure this does not happen here."

But is Sharia law already working its way through America? Robert Spencer thinks so. In an article published by Human Events, Spencer calls out the "mainstream media" for its effort to "deny both that there is any attempt to bring Sharia to the United States, and that Sharia is anything to be concerned about in the first place." Spencer notes the New Jersey court case which I wrote about on Tuesday in which the judge ruled that it was ok for a husband to beat and rape his wife because the man followed Islamic law. The ruling was overturned, but the fact that the lower court judge was influenced by Sharia law is clear.

Another example of Sharia insinuating itself into American life are the footbaths that have been constructed in airports and schools for the ablutions prescribed before Islamic prayers. Imagine the outcry if holy water fonts were being placed in airports for Catholic travelers - but Islamic footbaths have been dismissed as non-religious, on the pretext that anyone can use them. It would be interesting to see what would happen if a non-Muslim tried.

The fact that Sharia law can be construed to allow any type of wife-beating is absolutely deplorable. The fact that Christians living in Muslim countries face persecution and "second class" status all in the name of Sharia law is also unacceptable. And yet, it goes on. That last thing we want is to have those kinds of actions accepted in America.

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  1. TexasnellComment by Texasnell
    October 21, 2010 @ 8:51 am

    Thank goodness for the smart folks in Oklahoma. Sounds like they have a little more sense than the rest of the country. I’m a Texan, and proud of it, but I surely think we could learn something from these folks. And apparently a lot more people feel the same way I do, considering the results of the poll. I think we need to adopt the same laws the Lone Star State.

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  2. wenramComment by wenram
    October 21, 2010 @ 8:56 am

    Proponents of Sharia Law in the US are just out of touch. This is our country and in our country there are certain things that are illegal. I do not care that Sharia Law gives a man license to beat and rape his wife and beat his children. It is against US law. Period.

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  3. jb80538Comment by jb80538
    October 21, 2010 @ 9:06 am

    Sharia law by its very nature goes against our constitution. I’m glad the folks in OK are hopefully going to pass this requiring that legal decision are not made because of a belief in sharia. We don’t need activist judges that will decidea a case because of the fact that some muslim slob beat his wife for not having sex with him!
    We need this for the rest of the country as well!

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  4. thinkerComment by thinker
    October 21, 2010 @ 9:08 am

    If “anyone can use Islamic footbath”, lets ALL START using THEM!
    When questioned (??), the answer could be: “I might be leaving Christian church”. Anybody can think about “might’ing”, right? ;)
    wenram – it doesn’t matter what you or we think; they WANT it and they are forcing it in….like that symbol of their victory they will built in NY….:—[

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  5. Liberty4310Comment by Liberty4310
    October 21, 2010 @ 9:09 am

    I am totally for this Constitutional Amendment and hope other states will follow suit. However, anybody want to make book on either a liberal federal judge nullifying it or the Obama administration filing suit against it?

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  6. smscottComment by smscott
    October 21, 2010 @ 9:13 am

    Oklahoma is right to guard against sharia, or anything else to do with islam. I would like all states to adopt their way of thinking. Cair is nothing but a front for terrorist, and using its influence to make this an islamic nation, God Forbid, In Jesus Name.

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  7. TL WinslowComment by TL Winslow
    October 21, 2010 @ 9:20 am

    Tired of hearing about Islam? Sorry, the ever-increasing uproar over Islam’s incursions into the West isn’t a passing fad, it’s here to stay, and it’s not about “Islamophobia”, it’s about Islam, the world’s most supremacist and intolerant ideology making a comeback. The word phobia means an unreasonable fear of something based on ignorance which leads to irrational decision-making processes. The meaning of the word Islam is submit or surrender for a reason, and it’s eminently rational to fear being made to submit or surrender to anything bad, which a study of Islam’s history proves it to be in spades. Due to Muslim immigration, the once happily Muslim-free West is in increasing peril of Islamic infiltration and takeover, a process that will be all bad news. Too bad, the media are currently dominated by Islam history ignoramuses and Muslim disinformation artists who claim to see no threat, and worse, blame and try to silence those who do, repeating the pattern of many proud civilizations of the past before they were absorbed forever.
    When it comes to Islam, political principles learned via study of the last couple of centuries of history won’t work, nor will appeasement, it’s not about Marxist class struggle or Western capitalism with them, it’s about eternal rewards for what they do on Earth.
    Take their slogan that Islam is a religion of love. It is, but only in the sense that all Muslims must love Allah, who then tells them who to hate, namely unbelievers, including Muslims of a different stripe, and what to do about them, push them aside and conquer and rule their territory, then reduce them to dhimmi status, making them pay a tax to keep from being executed, AKA protection money, what a loving inducement to submit and convert. Love of other Muslims is very iffy, since one false move and Allah commands you to lop off their hands or head without pity or mercy, especially infidels who pretended to convert to stop paying the jizya, here, prove you’re for real by beheading your mother, imagine this in New York in 2050, it’s not hard if you try.
    Take their slogan that Islam is a religion of peace. Of course it is, but only after you accept its peace terms of total submission to it along with its horrible Muslim superiority Sharia that destroys all freedoms. Until then Allah commands Muslims to wage ceaseless war with unbelievers, which historically has come to mean even Muslims of different sects, which is why Islam has been a religion of endless war with an ironic slogan. Yes, ceaseless war. Allah declared the war, and no human can declare peace in his name, sorry, you’re either with him or against him, although he does permit temporary truces greased by plenty of jizya or punishment fees, like the stupid U.S. has been paying the Taliban, Egypt, etc.
    It’s not about racism. Islam isn’t a race, but it wants to absorb all races, so let’s not go there, it’s counterproductive. It’s not just a religion either, because it comes with a god who wants to control the government, so let’s not get mired in discussions of the Crusades and Creationism. Can Islam be reformed via a Christian-style Reformation? How? The Protestant Reformation was a revolt against the papacy that used the words and examples of Jesus against it, but an Islamic reformation would be a revolt against Allah himself. So-called moderate Muslims are like the fabled unicorn, plenty of sightings, none captured and in a zoo yet. Muslims who claim to hate Islamic extremists like Osama bin Laden are still for Allah and his final perfect example prophet Muhammad, and are just trying to get the Muslim Trojan Horse in the Western gates so their progeny can do the rest.
    Why then do we want to invite foreign agents and enemy combatants into our borders to show how tolerant we are, are we suicidal? Do we want to convert to Islam too? Despite all we do to appease them and shower them with tolerance, allowing Muslims into a non-Muslim country as immigrants will guarantee ceaseless strife, it’s not about specific Muslims it’s about the Quran they bring with them that contains Allah’s commands to keep up the war until he wins, if you won’t do it the Muslim next door will, or your children, which is why the West must stop Muslim immigration now and reverse it or else face an endless push to subvert the constitution and erect Sharia. Islamic terrorists are only a part of the threat, the main threat is Muslim immigrants who refuse to assimilate and set up de facto Sharia then foment civil war, as Europe is finding out.
    It’s not about Western politics, left, center, or right, because Allah wants to push them all aside. It’s sad to see rightists warning of the danger of Sharia and leftists knee-jerking in support of Muslims because they hate rightists. Neither group wants to see their country turn into a Sharia hellhole, so it’s time they realized they have common ground here. Instead of hoping that Islam will change, and bowing and submitting to its demands to open the gates to Muslims who won’t change and instead want to change us, we need to encourage more like Ayaan Hirsi Ali who chuck Islam completely, after which they can queue up for immigration to the West, but not until.
    If Islam is at war with the non-Muslim world, what’s keeping it from sending out giant armies instead of tiny terrorist armies? Unfortunately, only the recent era of British and French hegemony over the Islamic world that started after WWI, which is now crumbling. Their game was to nourish the Pan-Islamic movement that told Muslims to first unite the Muslim world (Umma) behind a new caliphate, and only take up arms after he officially declared jihad, like in the good ole days of the Ottoman caliphate. Meanwhile they made sure there was no new caliphate, while ruthlessly suppressing any Muslims who wanted to get violent sans caliphate under nationalist or other guises, which ultimately failed as the nationalists kicked them out of country after country, at first by claiming they were secular Muslim republics, playing off the Islam history ignoramus U.S. and Communist world and encouraging them to take over, which broke loose when Iran openly chucked secular for theocratic government with misguided Marxist help, albeit for the 10% minority of Shiites, leaving the other 90% of Sunnis to follow their lead, as we see happening every day in Turkey, Egypt, Syria, Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Nigeria, Russian Caucasus et al. The magic moment of turning the tide in their favor was when the violent Islamists got stupid U.S. Pres. Reagan to support them in a military struggle against the Soviets in Afghanistan, playing both ends against the middle, then setting up a horrible Sharia state that thumbed their noses at both of them as soon as the U.S. forgot about them, later giving safe haven to al-Qaida. Sure, Muslims really want to become Marxists and switch to new infidel god Marx, and sure, Muslims want to become American Capitalists and switch to new infidel gods George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and the infidel Constitution, it’s your birthday, go shout it. Today the growing number of violent Muslim groups who take their orders direct from the Quran and chuck the pan-Islamic Umma rhetoric and declare jihad on the U.S., Israel, Europe et al. on their own are of course disavowed by “mainstream” Muslim spokesmen, especially those receiving U.S. aid, who never tell you the punchline that once there’s a new nuclear-armed caliphate, 1.x billion Muslims will do as they are told, even those living in the West, who, if we don’t stop immigration now, might have worked up to control of Western armies, followed by unthinkable consequences.
    So yes, Muslim terrorists did 9/11, just not under orders of a caliph, but if they had, mainstream Islam would back them up 100%, sorry Islam ignoramus leftist women of The View, you are helping open the gates to the Muslim Trojan Horse by trivializing it into a left v. right thang. In the meantime Allah actually commands all Muslims no matter what sect or organization to spread the territory ruled by his Sharia worldwide by all means, violent and not, and it’s not negotiable with him, sorry, so Islam is currently in not at peace but in a Cold War with the West until they restore the caliphate, and Muslims should be treated as dangerous potential enemies of the Constitutional government by Congress like they did with Nazis and Communists, else it could lead to national suicide. It’s not about hating Muslims, but the ideology of Islam that they bring with them, which itself respects no authority other than Allah and his final prophet Muhammad, whose orders are cast in concrete and have no expired time limit. If a Muslim from the Muslim world won’t chuck Islam, he should stay in the Muslim world, it’s really simple, there’s battle lines that go back over a thousand years.
    Free daily links to news about the Islamic threat:
    http://tinyurl.com/islamwatch

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  8. GJComment by GJ
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:15 am

    WHERE are all the womens’ rights groups? WHY are they not showing outrage for what Sharia Law stands for in the treatment (non-treatment?) of females? This is mutilation of private parts! I’m flabbergasted to say the least.

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  9. Dingbat36Comment by Dingbat36
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:19 am

    EXACTLY………..I hate using the obvious metaphor of the “camel’s nose under the tent” but it FITS!
    Allowing any of the tenets of sharia law into our courts opens the door to all. If judges allow women to be beaten or raped, even by their own husbands, do tell what is next? That would be the sanctioning of the actions of men who choose to murder their female relatives and justifying it as “honor” killing under sharia law?
    Tell me seriously, does this make any “legal” sense at all? If the Muslims do not like it they are free to find a country where such actions are overlooked or even sanctioned. The foreigners can simply go home and the stupid US citizens who have accepted this (so called) religion can either find a welcoming country to move to or perhaps repudiate the cult they have joined.

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  10. kipfromNYComment by kipfromNY
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:22 am

    Enough of political correction.Islamic law is clear: If you do not believe in Islamic truth, one is considered an ‘unbeliever.’ They believe it to be true and are bound to ‘their law’. We are not, nor should the courts decide ‘who is a believer and who is not.’
    Awareness is better than an amendment.

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  11. GA1776Comment by GA1776
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:24 am

    Right On TL! The ladies of The View, Joy and Whoopie, are misguided and should be in cages in a zoo somewhere. Both are Jews whom the Muslim religion swears to eliminate from the face of the earth. Over 80% of Jews voted for Obama, seems they are promoting their own demise. Go Figure! We cannot be tolerant of Cancer yet we allow the worse, most deadly Cancer into our nation. There is no guise about Islam and its intent, they say proudly what their intent is. Lying and deceit is not only allowed but encouraged in the promotion of Islam. They can be the most deferential and mild people to your face but don’t believe it.

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  12. GA1776Comment by GA1776
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:37 am

    Outlawing Sharia Law in Okalhoma is a very smart move that should be enacted in all states. WHY,some of you ask. We must guard against its becoming law in any/all states, ever. No, I don’t believe anyone would intentionally vote for it but how many people, with the right to vote, are informed or even have a clue what they are voting for or against? While it is hard to believe, many people just do not keep abreast of what is going on. It is very possible its enactment could be put on a ballot and voted into law due to ignorance.

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  13. MaryComment by Mary
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:45 am

    Wonder what they would do to us Christians if Sharia law were allowed to be even considered in our courts. If they don’t like our laws, they should go and live in Muslim controlled countries. And they should be put in prison here for beating and raping their women. I don’t know why our courts would even consider accepting Sharia law.

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  14. Dr.TomComment by Dr.Tom
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:50 am

    The foundation of democracy is a Jewish/Christian belief system. Sharia is not compatible with life as we know it, or with Western Life. It should be outlawed. Stop it at all costs! Islam and Sharia is not merciful or good.

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  15. themammaComment by themamma
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:50 am

    Yes. Oklahoma is definitely protecting their state’s rights per our constitution. I feel at this particular time in history, all states must evaluate and update to the 21st century to protect not only states’ rights, but to strengthen this very shaky federal government.
    If we, as countrymen, sit quietly at the sidelines while other nations invade our homeland via either non-existent state laws, or by challenging weak or outdated existing laws… then we deserve whatever the future may hold.
    Tough times call for tough action. We are Americans! To remain so demands that we do whatever is necessary to protect all that we hold close to our hearts.
    Bravo Oklahoma!
    themamma

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  16. muleskinnerComment by muleskinner
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:54 am

    You want to see Sharia in the United States, go to Dearborn,Mi. The Muslims have already taken control there and inforce Sharia law.

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  17. The SentinelComment by The Sentinel
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:55 am

    It is peculiar that Islamic countries, with the excepton of Turkey, have no “separation of church and state”. Because of this fact, most of them have church law as the law of the land; which law is Sharia law. We already have a law of the land and its tenets exclude Sharia law. Because some of our more retarded law school graduates, like Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, et al., cannot seem to understand this, it will become imperative that all states pass similar amendments to their respective constitutions. I would also recommend that all states pass their own SB1070.

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  18. txgrampsComment by txgramps
    October 21, 2010 @ 10:56 am

    Use the footbaths for urinals

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  19. JamesMarineComment by JamesMarine
    October 21, 2010 @ 11:03 am

    So, I suppose the next step will be Obama suing Oklahoma.

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  20. RomackComment by Romack
    October 21, 2010 @ 11:09 am

    We should all thank the View for showing how twisted the thinking of many Americans has become.
    When Woopie and Joy stood up and walked off the set it was a sure sign of the misguided mentality multi-culturalism and political correctness has wrought on America.
    Through the dumbing down of America that has been taking place over the last 40 years we saw the result clearly on the View.
    If you are a Liberal it is because you have been brain washed by the Progressives who think socialism is the only way.
    What these mental midgets don’t realize is the truth of reality for their reality is a pie in the sky devoid of reality.

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  21. RomackComment by Romack
    October 21, 2010 @ 11:17 am

    If there are foot baths available then by all means rub your feet with bacon grease first before using them.

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  22. VickiComment by Vicki
    October 21, 2010 @ 11:27 am

    I voted yes because though it is clear to us and most people able to read that much of Sharia law violates our Constitution.
    Based on their current behavior I have no faith that our government representatives nor many judges will honor that.
    For 2 examples I cite ObamaCare and the 5 to 4 Supreme Court decisions on the right to keep and bear arms. The Supreme Court decisions should have been 9-0 supporting the obvious right.

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  23. usa4everComment by usa4ever
    October 21, 2010 @ 11:35 am

    We MUST stop this madness BEFORE it starts! We must MAKE IT CLEAR that ALL people who immigrate to this country WILL be obliged to live under OUR laws. They MUST understand that they CANNOT bring with them the laws of their nation OR their religion. We MUST make it clear that the written laws of this nation PRECLUDE any and ALL other laws, be they national OR religious! This is America. We are a nation of laws. If you don’t want to live by those laws then don’t come here to live.

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  24. Henry VillarrealComment by Henry Villarreal
    October 21, 2010 @ 11:36 am

    This is a matter of logic.
    1. We have our constitution and our judicial system .
    2. Sharia is a political system of laws, under any constitution,solely on the cult towards a man, whom besides being a complete illiterate *******, and I mean it in the sense that he was an illegitimate child;was a sexual degenerate pedophile.
    3.This system is totally opposed to our system and in fact it is of seditious nature to even try to expose this political point of view .
    Therefore it shouldn’t be necessary to make an amendment to any State or Federal constitution . But wait, we have a judicial system plagued with liberal judges that bend the laws and legislate from the bench. This is a practice that will be our demise unless some kind of legislation is put up or there are some laws that are not being enforced to correct this problem .

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  25. Rich57Comment by Rich57
    October 21, 2010 @ 11:40 am

    Well described by TL Winslaw, Amen to this comment.
    No further explanation actually.
    However needs clarification just a little, they (Islam) believe in Allah just as we believe in God. Allah simply means God, so… actually their Allah is also Christian’s God. The coorupt people including Mohammad their prophet altered all of the good Commandment of God into Shariah enable them to bit up or rape their wives and to kill the infidle (No 1 is western particularly US) etc.
    They ignored the loving God cardinal commandment
    “LOVE”. Indeed, their whole purpose is to Islamized the whole World, if they don’t get it by diplomatically they will do it by terorism or war. Moslem is moslem, there is no loving Moslem, or piece Moslem, their teaching is to kill the unbeliever so called enemy{infidle). So…STOP the tolerance by diminish the Immigration, we have enough people on our own to support this country, we don’t need any more terorist, period!

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  26. onewildmanComment by onewildman
    October 21, 2010 @ 11:49 am

    Sharia law being adopted by this nation would absolutely be unconstitutional as it would be the same as a religion sponsored and endorsed by the state.
    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!

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  27. FlaJimComment by FlaJim
    October 21, 2010 @ 11:49 am

    Using the illogic of sharia ‘law’ as promulgated by these heathens, does that make it okay if my religion justifies aiming for moslems if they don’t clear the street quickly enough? How about if my religion condones being half-buzzed most of the day?
    This could only happen because of the multiculturalists who have no morals and can’t recognize the superiority of Western Civilization over a backward cult disguised as a religion that encourages rape, murder, pedophilia, mutilation of women, lying, and a host of other things we civilized people have outlawed for millennia.

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  28. GeorgeComment by George
    October 21, 2010 @ 12:06 pm

    Shafi law book, Reliance of the Traveler: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, (rev. ed., trans. Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Beltsville, Maryland: Amana, 1994) says that the punishment of stoning the homosexual must be imposed, provided that he or she has reached puberty, is sane, and committed the act voluntarily, “no matter whether the person is a Muslim, a non-Muslim subject of the Islamic State, or someone who has left Islam” (p. 610, o12.1).
    It also says that “the commission of sodomy and bestiality is an act which is equivalent to zina” (adultery, fornication or rape). A footnote says that “legal punishment (stoning as done to adulterers) should be applied, in accordance with the circumstances of the crime, with an exemplary punishment”. An exemplary punishment means that it must be done in public, so people will learn and fear.
    Perhaps we should allow Shiria Law for a time. It would certainly “clean up” the gene pool. Be interesting to see the number of Hollywood elitists suddenly converting to Islamaphobia! Imagine a Pay Per View event featuring the stoning of Bill Clinton, Elena Kagan, Ellen DeGeneres and Whoopi Goldberg.

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  29. ps33Comment by ps33
    October 21, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

    You have to be absolutely naive if you think this is not going to be a problem here. The New Jersey case clearly demonstrates that is has already begun. It should be happening and it should be necessary to amend constitutions for this, but it is because liberal judges such as the one in the NJ case won’t do the right thing and judge according to the established laws of THIS COUNTRY!

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  30. marysteeleyorktownvaComment by marysteeleyorktownva
    October 21, 2010 @ 12:40 pm

    We already have a problem and we better act now and stay on this! It doesn’t take long for it to infiltrate and spread! Find more on this at http://www.actforamerica.org/

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  31. fredComment by fred
    October 21, 2010 @ 1:01 pm

    Footbaths in airports and schools? Can you say pork?

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  32. KathyComment by Kathy
    October 21, 2010 @ 1:21 pm

    Our laws are governed by, The Constitution of the United States. The Declaration of Independence sets the tone. I’m so tired of people who want change, and, those coming to our country, trying to undermine our laws and take our rights from us. You modernists who want to ignore what the Founding Fathers designed with the help of Almighty GOD, by sacrificing, everything they cherished, to give us the gift of freedom, for all future generations here in America. I have a suggestion for those who want this change, GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY! I have No intentions of giving up this wonderful land. What Americans need to do is start teaching children the TRUTH about our history, so they too have love, appreciation, and willingness to keep the rights we all have taken for granted,and fire those educators that don’t! Restore the GOD of the Bible, the Ten Commandments to each and every public office in our nation, (including our schools.) Yes, I said restore, for they ripped them from us, and it is up to us too getting them reinstated. Which part of this don’t those who want change understand?

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  33. hoogleComment by hoogle
    October 21, 2010 @ 1:23 pm

    We are stupid beyond belief about muslims. The government wants to dummy down the younger generation to think that we should welcome millions of our opposers into our own country to help destabilize it.
    We will reap what we sow. We don’t need nor want the koran, we have the word of God, the Bible and it tells us of our loving God who came as a man and walked the earth to be eventually the perfect sacrifice for all who call on His name.
    Who is Allah? Who cares, we have the living God whose life and nature comes into us when we receive the Lord. So we don’t worship a distant god as they do.
    If 85% of Americans are Christians, then why are we allowing millions of muslims to come into our country and start telling us what laws we should have? This is beyond stupid! They hate us and will give themselves to destroying us eventually.

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  34. Larry D. BakerComment by Larry D. Baker
    October 21, 2010 @ 1:28 pm

    We should all do, as the prime minister of Australia did. He told the Muslims that this is our country, and you follow our laws and traditions. If you refuse to do that, you’re welcome to leave. End of problem. The problem is, that the politically correct of this country, keep forgetting to reach up and grab their ears; and pull down. They might be able to see better, when they get out of the dark spot. I have a bumper sticker that pretty much spells it out. It says: I’m trying to see your point of view, but haven’t been able to get my head; that far up my A**.

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  35. djo165Comment by djo165
    October 21, 2010 @ 1:38 pm

    The courts of the United States should use the laws of the United States as their ONLY basis for rulings. That means ignoring so-called religious laws. The courts are for the concerns and affairs of the people, not for the concerns or affairs of Allah/God/Jehovah. HE will get his justice on all of us in good time.

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  36. Ye Olde RebelComment by Ye Olde Rebel
    October 21, 2010 @ 2:22 pm

    I can’t believe so many people have lost all semblance of common sense! If we Christians don’t stand up and fight all aspects of the Muslim religion we are doomed. It is up to us to stand up for our Christian beliefs and our American heritage. Sharia Law is an abomination! Progressives think they are the free thinkers and have lost all touch with reality. I say good for Oklahoma and every state in the Union should follow suit. Christians unite!

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  37. TRUTHTELLERComment by TRUTHTELLER
    October 21, 2010 @ 2:45 pm

    Think Crusade.
    Nuff Said.

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  38. CarmineComment by Carmine
    October 21, 2010 @ 2:46 pm

    Sorry, I don’t bet against a sure thing.

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  39. cuffieComment by cuffie
    October 21, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

    This is what was meant in THE CONSTITUTION where it says the government is to provide for the welfare of the country. My welfare and yours depends on rules that follow the laws of this country, not Shariah law. Unfortunately, the government increasingly defines ‘welfare’ to mean put the people on the dole and keep them there, thus diluting the original meaning. Shariah law has no place in this country. No matter how they mask it as a religious right, the essence is political. I have been sent news stories of religious killings where father and mother both helped kill their own daughter because Shariah law dictated it. NO SHARIAH LAW! CUFFIE

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  40. jkimlelComment by jkimlel
    October 21, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

    I consider myself to be a well-educated, well-read Conservative woman of above average intellegence. I got tired of hearing “second hand” what the Qu’an does and does not say so I obtained a copy reputed to be a good English translation. Has anyone else tried to read this? It is a mismash of threats, suspicion, hatred, all directed against those who are Infidels,the faithless, and those who may leave the true faith. I have yet to find any words of love or peace.
    I cannot condone the acceptance of a “religion” based on hatred and fear of their own god.
    Remember that the Qu’an does require that the faithful treat one another well, but encourages them to do anything necessary to defeat the infidels: lie, cheat, steal, deceive, infiltrate, kill all who will not convert. Our Judeo-Christian culture condemns these acts and that makes it very hard for us to understand a culture so alien that it encourages this behavior.
    The other night Bill O’Rielly made the comment that if the emam trying to build the NY Mosque came on his show and gave his personal assurance to Bill that the Mosque was indeed to symbolize peace and tolerance, and would have a memorial there to the 3000 who died, Bill would take his word for it. I am sorry to disagree with Bill. I would expect the Emam to be lying just as The Book instructs him to do.
    Political Correctness be Damned!

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  41. DreamerComment by Dreamer
    October 21, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

    Islam in a nutshell by the teachings of the Koran. You will have the essence of Islamic teachings within less than half an hour.
    1) Read Surat 2:106. This is the abrogation principle of the Koran (nasikh). It teaches that if there are any contradictions in the Koran, that the later verse (chronologically) will abrogate (supersede) the former one(s). The older verses thus are becoming void.
    2) Understand that the top Islamic scholars agree that Surat 9 is a reflection of the final revelations of the Koran, that it was written last, i.e. if any Koran verses contradict the verses in Surat 9, the verses in Surat 9 will prevail.
    3) Now read Surat 9, and you have the essence of Islam. The peaceful verses of earlier surats are abrogated (superseded) by the verses in Surat 9. (Note that “mushrikun” means unbeliever, e.g. Jews, Christians, etc., all non-Muslims.)
    4) Understand that the problem with Islam are not the peaceful Muslims who love to read and quote the peaceful verses of the earlier Koran surats that were given in earlier days, at the time when Muhammad was in Mecca, before his flight to Medina.
    5) Understand that Islam is not a religion. Therefore it should not and must not mistakenly be considered a religion. Islam is an entire cultural, societal, moral, legal and hegemonic system that under the disguise of religion has only one goal, to wit, the takeover of the world, and sharia law for all mankind.
    6) After you have completed steps 1 through 5, I am confident that you will now understand why our Western democratic societies with their misunderstood concept of “tolerance” need to be protected from falling victim to a subtle slice-by-slice takeover of our country, culture, and liberties.

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  42. T JeffersComment by T Jeffers
    October 21, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

    The New Jersey judge was clearly in error, as a state appeals court two months ago reversed his decision. The man’s religious beliefs, the appellate court ruled, do not exempt him from state laws. Thus ended the one and only instance of stealth sharia that anyone has been able to adduce.
    Andrew Silow-Carroll, editor in chief of the New Jersey Jewish News, cited the New Jersey case in a column last month blasting “sharia-phobia.” Silow-Carroll pointed out two things: First, the system worked — the New Jersey family court judge made a flaky call, and he was overturned. Second, our system already allows some civil matters — but not crimes — to be settled through other means of arbitration. “Among those alternative mechanisms is the beit din, or rabbinic law court,” Silow-Carroll wrote. “Every day, Jews go before beit din to arbitrate real estate deals, nasty divorces and business disputes.”
    So far I haven’t heard an outcry against the threat of rabbinic law intruding into our judicial system. Why is that?
    The New Jersey family court judge, mistaken as he was, was not hearing a criminal matter, but a request by a wife for a restraining order against her husband. My own daughter was almost denied a restraining order in a case where her gun-toting American husband had suggested that if she continued to make him angry, he might just wind up shooting “someone.” Even though she had photos of bruises sustained when her husband had thrown her around prior to making the threat, the family court judge in California was reluctant to issue a restraining order because it was just her word against his. Sharia law had nothing to do with her case.
    The New Jersey bar should discipline the NJ family law judge for making an unprofessional decision when he allowed foreign cultural considerations to enter into his decision about whether to grant a restraining order to the Muslim wife, but let’s exercise a bit of judgment ourselves before we blow the facts in this matter out of all proportion, shall we? It was one isolated instance that had no wider consequences. Treating it as evidence that sharia law is making serious inroads on the U.S. legal system seems over the top, in my opinion. I smell a lot of irrational fear permeating the comments I am reading here today.

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  43. danielComment by daniel
    October 21, 2010 @ 4:42 pm

    stock up on pigs blood.

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  44. LAPhilComment by LAPhil
    October 21, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

    As much as I abhor the idea of Sharia law in the first place, I suspect this may be an overreaction and that a constitutional amendment to prohibit the consideration of Sharia law in court decisions is unnecessary. As was pointed out earlier, we have a judicial system which doesn’t seem in any immediate danger of collapse, and Sharia law is simply incompatible with it. Until fundamentalist Islamists take over our country we really don’t have too much to worry about here.

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  45. joesixpack31Comment by joesixpack31
    October 21, 2010 @ 4:54 pm

    @jkimlel…Thanks for your “informed” commentary. Islam is NO RELIGION. It is an international crime syndicate working hand in glove with our demonic “self anointed” ruling class here in the US who believe they can use the demonic islamo jihadists as shock troops to destabilize and “hammer” mainstream America into a New World Order form of government. O’Reilly is truly a pinhead kiss a$$. He shills for “spawn of satan” Obama on the birth certificate issue. He’ll do any compromise to try improving his ratings. O’Reilly is an uncertain conservative barometer

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  46. DreamerComment by Dreamer
    October 21, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

    That is exactly the problem … the subtle trickling of Islam into our society. The question may not be “if” Islam and Sharia are taking over, but rather “when”. Our believe-in-dollars society does not seem to be on code yellow, but in a sheepish victim-like code white mode. To deny and/or neglect the necessity of alertness and preparedness, especially in the face of Islamic teachings, seems to be a form of Snow White sleep.

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  47. Nikita63Comment by Nikita63
    October 21, 2010 @ 5:03 pm

    This is definitely an idea whose time has come and one that should be implemented in ALL 50 states. Sharia law cannot co-exist with our Constitutional law and thereby should be voided for good cause. Under Tidayya, used by Muslims to justify just about anything and blanket amnestizing those who practice it as long a their efforts expand the cause of Islam world wide, NO
    Muslim can legitimately be trusted. We should not allow them to use our own Constitution to take over OUR country and, they should be sent out of this country as the internal security threat they are. The day will come when the morons in D.C. will wake up to the inevitable reality and
    LEARN from the lessons of history, hopefully, they will do so before it is too late. To those who think this extreme, I refer you to OUR prior history when we took an entire segment of peoiple who were by birth, Ame4rican citizens and denied them their rights as citizens in the name of percieved national security in time of war; the secon generation in the U.S. Nisei. Was it right? As it turned out, no, but; it sets a historical precedent which cannot be denied as well as the grounds for perhaps utilizing a similar measure to protect ourselves from Muslim incursions beyond our ability to control. For now, no Muslim should be allowed to enter or take citizenship here since they cannot be trusted to adhere to either Constitutional law or the Pledge of Allegiance. I am an American, born and raised, I wish to see my country remain free and fought in Vietnam for the preservation of what we hold dear only to watch THIS ADMINISTRATION SELL IT ALL DOWN THE RIVER. VOTE INTELLIGENTLY ON NOVEMBER 2ND, ELECT A CONSERVATIVE POWER BASE AND RETURN TO AMERICAN VALUES, COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTION, THE RULE OF LAW AND AN AMERICAN HERITAGE FOR YOUR CHILDREN. Muslims first, then illegals. Foreign individuals properly documented and in compliance with the law are welcome the rest are not.

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  48. Cynical PeteComment by Cynical Pete
    October 21, 2010 @ 5:18 pm

    The courts are becoming as frightening as the terrorists. They need to be controlled by state and federal laws.

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  49. Mawloud Ould DaddahComment by Mawloud Ould Daddah
    October 21, 2010 @ 5:25 pm

    YOU KNOW HOW ISLAMISTS LEADERS PRESENET OBAMA TO ISLAMIST FOLKS:AS THE KEY TO THE CONTROL AND DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA AND OF THE WEST AND AS THE MAHDI OF JIHAD AND AS THE END OF AMERICA AND WEST AND THEY CALL HIM HUSAYN OBAMA WITH ARROGANCE AND INSOLENCE

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  50. Mawloud Ould DaddahComment by Mawloud Ould Daddah
    October 21, 2010 @ 5:25 pm

    YOU KNOW HOW ISLAMISTS LEADERS PRESENT OBAMA TO ISLAMIST FOLKS?AS THE KEY TO THE CONTROL AND DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA AND OF THE WEST AND AS THE MAHDI OF JIHAD AND AS THE END OF AMERICA AND WEST AND THEY CALL HIM HUSAYN OBAMA WITH ARROGANCE AND INSOLENCE

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