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Petition to allow guns at Republican convention earns 24,000 signatures

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An online petition to allow guns into the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July has received more than 24,000 signatures in favor of overturning the “irresponsible and hypocritical act of selecting a ‘gun-free zone’” for the party’s quadrennial gathering.

The convention will be held between 18 and 21 July at the Quicken Loans Arena, a venue with a policy that forbids “firearms and other weapons of any kind” on its grounds. Republican debate venues have also barred firearms.

The petition, posted anonymously to Change.org last week, declares the Cleveland arena’s weapons ban “a direct affront to the second amendment and puts all attendees at risk”.

“By forcing attendees to leave their firearms at home,” the petition continues, “the RNC and Quicken Loans Arena are putting tens of thousands of people at risk both inside and outside of the convention site”.

The petition makes several other demands. It asks for Ohio governor John Kasich – one of the party’s three remaining presidential candidates – to use executive action to override arena owners’ right to set rules over their private property, and for the Republican party chair to explain “how a venue so unfriendly to second amendment rights was chosen for the Republican convention”.

“Every American is endowed with a God-given constitutional right to carry a gun wherever and whenever they please,” the author writes.

The question of an individual right to carry a gun only reached the supreme court in 2008, and states have broad authority to regulate gun control. God is not mentioned in the US constitution or bill of rights.

The group that claims to be behind the petition, Americans for Responsible Open Carry, appears to have been formed for the express purpose of creating the Change.org form. Twitter user Hyperationalist, whose biography reads “speaking truth to stupid”, took credit for the petition, and regardless of whether the form was created as parody, signatories’ comments show that many took it at face value.

A spokesperson for the Republican party told the Beacon Journal that secret service agents, Cleveland police and state and federal law enforcement agencies will handle security at the convention.

Kasich and his two rivals, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, have expressed vocal opposition to gun control. Trump has called for an end to gun-free zones in schools, and called places with gun bans “target practice for the sickos and for the mentally ill”.

“I think gun-free zones are a catastrophe. They’re a feeding frenzy for sick people,” he said.

Many Trump properties prohibit guns. The businessman has said he will consider lifting such rules.

The frontrunner has also warned that there could be “riots” at the convention, should he hold a majority of delegates but fail to secure victory.

Violence has increasingly plagued Trump’s campaign rallies: supporters have repeatedly assaultedprotesters ; his campaign manager has been accused of grabbing a reporter ; and the candidate has himself said he would like to see protesters punched or “roughed up”.

Some commenters on the petition alluded to such incidents, and claimed to have signed the petition because, as one Ohio man put it, “Republicans should face the same dangers that they have inflicted on the general public”.

Others were less equivocal – for instance, a Missouri man who declared : “You either support the [second] amendment or you don’t!”

Republicans clashed over guns with local and federal security before the 2012 convention in Tampa, Florida, where secret service agents only allowed law enforcement officers to carry firearms.

The city’s rules against gun control prohibited its police from enacting a proposal from Republicans to make Tampa a “clean zone”, prohibiting string and gas masks but not licensed firearms.

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  1. Oldsailor65 March 28, 2016 at 9:34 am

    Then why not have it at a place that is NOT a gun-free zone??

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    • 1marysweet March 28, 2016 at 9:56 am

      Kasich is anti-gun no matter what he says. I remember him when he was in Congress and he is just a big old rino. It was no accident that the GOP set the convention in a gun free zone. They talk a good story but their actions are just the opposite and not to be trusted. Also, Kasich is receiving funds from george soros, obama’s mentor. They need to change the venue if guns are not allowed during the convention. It will be quite a set up if they don’t make some concessions to the delegates who are legal gun owners and considering the terror threats throughout the world, wouldn’t that be an ideal place to attack. obama would love it as then he would be able to cancel the elections (which he plans to do if the elections get that close).

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    • skylinefirepest March 28, 2016 at 2:58 pm

      True…and whether or not it’s a joke doesn’t matter. If you guys want to have some fun go to readersupportednews.com and mention that you like guns…the liberals go absolutely apeshoot over any pro mention of firearms!!! I made a comment about an hour ago and I’ve already been “downed” over forty times! I usually joke about their hatred of guns until they have a problem and then who do they call??? A MAN WITH A GUN!!! They hate it!

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    • ltuser
      ltuser March 28, 2016 at 4:23 pm

      Are there any big enough places left to host these conventions at, that are NOT gun-free zones??

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  2. TheJim Macklin March 28, 2016 at 10:13 am

    I agree with the petition BUT besides checking for credentials should be checked to keep terrorists out. This means profiling .
    Since I am old, broke and won’t be able to attend I won’t sign the petition.
    I doubt it will prompt any changes, it should be remembered should a terrorist gain access to the area, the police and security will not be effective enough to save lives.

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    kbuzz March 28, 2016 at 10:19 am

    Not sure where this article leaned, until i read the author – the Guardian…that summed it up. This wont end well no matter what happens. It’s as if this conflict is deliberately being orchestrated.
    BTW, having a tough time with this website – GOPUSA you need to fix it – hangs up all the time.

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    • heretic March 28, 2016 at 10:38 am

      Kbuzz
      I think that you’re right when you say that there will be an orchestrated attempt to create conflict at the convention. I would be very surprised if the communists allow it to end peacefully.

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      ltuser March 28, 2016 at 4:26 pm

      Of course not. To the dems if there is not a crisis for them to fuel the fires of, they create one! As per Saul Alynski’s rules!

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  4. gentlemanjim March 28, 2016 at 10:36 am

    Sounds like a good idea to me! I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6!

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  5. joejackson March 28, 2016 at 10:41 am

    Good people with guns control bad people with guns . Democrats should never have a gun they cannot be trusted with anything. Stalin was a Democratic/Marxist, Hitler was a Democratic National Socialist [NAZI]they used their guns to kill hundreds of millions of innocent people.All Marxists simply await for the “Need” to begin the killing.It could begin over an insult, a politically incorrect word, a mean professor wanting “more muscle” or DiBlasio wanting more control of everyone in New York it takes a small moment for them to begin and decades for it to end. Vote everyone out and let’s star over with our Constitution actually being followed.

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    • murphyj87 March 28, 2016 at 10:59 am

      There is no such thing as Ègood people with guns”. Anyone who carries a gun fir any reason but for hunting and target shooting is a criminal and should face 5 to 8 years in prison as they would in any of the other western nations which lead the Unites States in everyway that counts.

      Owning a gun is in no way a so called “right” and Americans pretending that owning a gun is a so called “righht” just shows how insane, demented, and inferior the citizens of other western nations Americans are.

      The sooner legalized murder (2nd) amendment is repealed, the sooner the US willbe to moving beyond the 18th century that the US is stuck in now.

      Canada, and other western nations are vastly superior to the United States in every way thast counts, one of which that Amyone carrying a gun as they do in the US is in prison for for 5 to 8 years.

      http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/03/nation/la-na-canada-border-guns-20140203

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    • aj44pct March 28, 2016 at 11:29 am

      MurphyJ87….we the PEOPLE should DEMAND repeal of the First Amendment so that people like you should be charged with a crime.
      If you don’t like it here in the United States get the HELL OUT!!!!
      Go to Canada, Australia, Britain or wherever you feel safe.
      All I know as that working 30 years as a cop mainly in the City of New York and Newark, East Orange and such I have seen many times a good guy prevent or terminate a crime.
      Also, when I was a cop on the 44 pct we all bought this that owned a restaurant a 38 cal handgun. That was after several armed robberies. After we gave him the gun a suspect entered his establishment and announced “THIS IS A HOLD-UP.” The guy we gave the gun to SHOT the perp. End of robbery. Than one more time a perp entered his store where he shot and killed the perp armed with a firearm. There were ZERO robberies after that day at his store. Go educate yourself on the millions of times each year a gun saves a life in the hands of a GOOD GUY…and sometime GOOD KID.

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    • chuckyb March 28, 2016 at 11:31 am

      murphyj87 Go live in one of those other civilized nations and get the hell out of ours. The first ten amendments to the constitution are called the Bill of Rights so I guess that makes owning and carrying a gun a right. You must have read at least part of the Bill of Rights because you certainly make use of free speech.

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    • murphyj87 March 28, 2016 at 11:38 am

      IS that why the US has 30,000 gun deaths and here in Canadawe have 175 gun deaths (and few roberies too)?

      Owning a gun should be a crimnal code offence,, and any gun owner who uses a gun for any other purpose than hunting animals and target shootin g should be imprisoned for from 5 to 8 years as they are here (in a nation far more advaned than the United States).

      We Canadians cherish our right to be free of peoople aho bear arms and any American (or Canadian for that matter) who carries a gun American style faces 5 to 8 years in prison, as it should be in the United States as well.

      American gun owners use guns much more often to kill their families than they do to face down criminals.

      Owning gun is not a so called “right” and most Americans and everyone in the rest of the western world (in nations far more advaced than the United States) know it.

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      kbuzz March 28, 2016 at 11:44 am

      Come-on guys. Can’t you spot a troll. Murph is so far left he uses a high diving board in the shallow end. Isn’t it obvious that he has mastered the art of diving thru practice. Let em be.

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    • murphyj87 March 28, 2016 at 11:46 am

      I do live in a nation more advanced than the US. I live in Canada.

      No, owning a gun is not a so called “right” and the entire western woorld knows it.

      If you carry a gun American style here in Canada, you will be a guest of the Canadian taxpayer for 5 to 8 years in a Canadian prison.

      On a minimum of three occasions, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that owning a gun is not a right, no, owninmg a gun is in no way a so called “right” as insane, demented, and backward Americans are brainwashed by priobven false American propaganda to believe.

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    • lonestar March 28, 2016 at 12:52 pm

      Murphyj87 – Big Brother cannot protect you or me. It only desires CONTROL! I’m glad you live in Canada. Canada is well on the way to becoming a Socialist sheeple nation like your motherland UK. And by the way the UK is a much more violent place than the US since it heavily restricted the citizen’s rights of self defense.

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      ltuser March 28, 2016 at 4:31 pm

      Murphy. Take your liberal indoctrination bull hokey elsewhere. In MANY countries, the right to own a gun is entrenched in their laws. Take a look at Switzerland for example. EVERY abled bodied man and woman is required to own one.. Don’t see them having the issues we do here do ya..

      And are you honestly telling us that Canada, a country which is getting more and more braindeaddly liberal, is truly more “advanced” than the US??

      Get the heck out of here.. TROLL!

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      usafoldsarge March 28, 2016 at 5:25 pm

      murphy, ye be a bring’g disgrace to a good Irish name. You think that man has the right to regulate everything? There is plenty of reasons for people to be armed, and not for hunting or target shooting. Your attitude is sufficient by it self. For a Canadian to have the gall to demand that Americans be stupid enough to remove a RIGHT ESTABLISHED by OUR Constitution is really something. As far as I am concerned, Murphy, as a Canadian, you should remain a closed mouth bystander who only speaks when spoken to. And then mostly only Yes Sir and No Sir, Yes Madam and No Madam

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      ltuser March 29, 2016 at 5:08 pm

      While i might have not been so harsh Sarge, i do agree. If you are not a US citizen, you should keep silent about whether or not OUR constitution is right for US..

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  6. macmcintire March 28, 2016 at 10:50 am

    Bad move. People are looking to hurt our gun rights. Just takes one stupid person, or a anarchist, who shoots in the air to cause panic. Most folks can handle a gun by themselves. When you put them in a crowd stupid things happen. Just because you can, doesn’t make it smart. Let’s be smart. Needled by stupid people is not the answer. Article written by anti gun nut doesn’t help.

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    • kbuzz
      kbuzz March 28, 2016 at 11:06 am

      My feelings exactly. All it takes is one Anti-Gun activist to throw a firecracker in…and guess who gets blamed. They would never find the guilty party but MSM would have a field day. And this is what the liberal left would do.

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    • murphyj87 March 28, 2016 at 11:17 am

      What you fail to realize is that “American liberals” are to the RIGHT of Conservatives in Britain, in Canada, and in Germany.

      Conservaitives in Britain, in Canada, and in Germany are as anti gun as “American liberals” are.

      Anyone carrying a gun American style in any other western nation faces 5 to 8 years in prison, which is why Britain, Canada, and Germany lead the United States in every way that coounts.

      One of the most cherished rights in Britain, in Canada, and in Germany is the right to be FREE of people who bear arms.

      Owning a gun is in no way a so called “right” and people in all other western nations more advanced than the United States know that.

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      kbuzz March 28, 2016 at 11:51 am

      And in Britian, Canada, and espically Germany, the people are trying to arm themselves from what is coming, Murph. Violence has settled more issues than any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Germany is paying for it with their lives and freedom. But you will never understand that, because you cannot understand the price…and thats okay.

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    • ltuser
      ltuser March 28, 2016 at 4:36 pm

      Murph. I am British born and raised, and i know PLENTY of my fellow Englanders who are sick to death of our country’s Anti-gun ways.. And would LOVE to go back to the way it was before that Dumblain school shooting where people there had a right to own a weapon.. We saw a lot less murders than we do now..

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  7. aj44pct March 28, 2016 at 11:09 am

    Least NOT forget Kasich received a PERSONAL letter from Slick Willy AKA Clinton THANKING him for his support for the GUN BAN that was put in place and KASICH SUPPORTED.

    This buffoon also HATES cops.

    Kasich is DOOMED.

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  8. paoldguy March 28, 2016 at 11:25 am

    It seems to me somewhat hypocritical to say you support 2nd Amendment rights and then ban them from your Convention. Either support the 2nd Amendment or oppose it, but dont try to be on both sides

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  9. lonestar March 28, 2016 at 12:37 pm

    “….states have broad authority to regulate gun control. God is not mentioned in the US constitution or bill of rights.”
    God does not have to be mentioned in these documents as everyone has unalienable rights to defend ourselves and others from physical harm with effective weapons. The SCOTUS erred Constitutionally in stating that States have power over those rights to restrict weapons from ownership and lawful use. It is the State’s obligation to citizens to apprehend and incarcerate those who perform acts of criminal violence. Federal and State governments do not have power to CONTROL citizens. We the People do not grant government dictatorial powers to any government. Professional politicians and other public servants work for us taxpayers. Many of them have forgotten that. We demand they comply with Constitutional limits of authority or be removed from their positions of public service.

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  10. disqus_DW3qxKdlwn March 28, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    If guns are allowed to be at that Republican Convention, it be best to watch it on TV at home. Just be sure to use viewer discretion for it could be graphically violent.

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    • buzzman March 29, 2016 at 5:51 pm

      Historically, since and including Lincolns assassination, almost all of the POLITICALLY motivated assassinations in America have been the acts of democrats/progressives.

      That won’t change and if shots are fired at the convention it will be by a democrat.

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    • Oldsailor65 March 29, 2016 at 6:22 pm

      Buzzman:

      I agree with you Buzzman, any shots first fired or any trouble will be started by: Democrats / Liberals /Progressives / Communists / Socialists or whatever they are calling themselves that day BUT: the Conservatives / Republicans will be blamed by the MSNM. I don’t believe in Gun Free Zones. As sick and as stupid as “Liberals” are something worse than guns may be used but I certainly home not. I hope there is nothing but words.

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  11. vonstro March 28, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    I have to say that I believe it would be one of the safest political conventions we’ve ever had in this country in a long time. Honestly, what do we think our 2nd Amendment is all about folks? It sure as hell is not about risk! The ONLY risk is that which the unarmed take every day as they wander their way through life, just hoping they won’t have to face some confrontation they aren’t prepared to deal with! Questions as to whether or not people could be trusted to “mind their manners” is pretty damn stupid. The bad guys are the ONLY thugs who pose a problem for the rest of us when they’re armed. It just never happens the other way around… EVER! We’ve had some 120 presidential conventions in our country’s history and it’s only in the past 50 years (?) that being armed has come under such scrutiny. I’ve been to more gun shows then I can count, but there’s never been any confrontation or questionable behavior re: arms that I was made privy to. There were a lot of people carrying at these shows, and these were very responsible people indeed. The only reason we have a 2nd Amendment that’s been put under the microscope is the Liberal Left and their illogical theories on personal armament. It’s the Left that been fighting our Constitution tooth and nail for the past 150 years and counting. These people are afraid of their own shadows!

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      ltuser March 28, 2016 at 4:40 pm

      Exactly Vonstro. I have been to dozens of gun shows over the years. And other than an occasional pick pocket, or crook in the parking lots breaking in and stealing stuff, there has NEVER been a big incident.. NEVER.

      Why?? Cause all the crooks KNOW there are plenty of good honest citizens with guns to contend with.. THAT’S why.

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  12. lonestar March 28, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    If carrying weapons at the RNC Convention is allowed it will be the 2nd SAFEST large meeting in the US. The SAFEST by far is the annual meeting of The National Rifle Association. I never go into a business that prohibits me exercising my 2nd Amendment guaranteed right to defend myself.

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  13. vonstro March 28, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    What kind of drugs is this murphyj87 on. He claims he lives in a forward-thinking nation, then come to find out he’s talking about Canada! What a joke! They’re a bunch of frogs up there… and they live in a sweat hole! I knew he was a Liberal buffoon when he started talking numbers that just don’t synch with reality. Why do Liberals have so much trouble with numbers. He thinks our Constitutional Rights are something he feels led to discuss, as if he knows anything about our rights as American citizens… which he does not. I guess if I lived in a dump like Canada I’d be whining about life too. I thank God I’m a citizen of the greatest country on Earth, the USA. If you understood what American exceptionalism is, which you don’t, you’d realize that no one here is interested in anything you have to say, so pick up your marbles and scoot off murphy boy. The last thing we need is advice from Leftist Canadian frog.

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  14. TheJim Macklin March 28, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    USAF OLD SARGE, note You are mostly correct.
    ” usafoldsarge March 28, 2016 at 5:25 pm

    murphy, snip Americans be stupid enough to remove a RIGHT ESTABLISHED by OUR Constitution is really something. “snip

    The right to keep and bear arms was not established by the Constitution. The Bill of Rights was a demand by most of the Founders for limitations on government. A promise to draft and pass a Bill of Rights was essential to ratification of the Constitution which was a condition necessary to creation of the United States.
    In the later half of the 1800s, the SCOUS said that the Second Amendment did not create a right to keep and bear arms AND that the right was not dependent on the Second Amendment. [If my memory is correct, that was in the Cruikshank case].
    There is a lot of stuff in the Constitution that has been ignored. Some was forgotten and only rediscovered in the last forty years.
    For instance, in 1789 when the Senate was drafting the amendment a change was voted down that would have added the words “for the common defense” between arms and shall thus making clear the intent of the Congress that it was an individual right the Congress was protecting.
    In 1939 the SCOUS stated that “assault weapons” were the class of arms they knew were protect so a militia could always form when needed. The Court said, when called, the militia was expected to appear bearing their private arms of {contemporary] service. MILLER 1939]

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    • TheJim Macklin March 28, 2016 at 6:57 pm

      Space limits, I need to add that SCOUS in Cruikshank said the right was not created by the Second Amendment and neither did it depend on the Constitution or Bill of Rights for its existence.
      Also, it wasn’t taxes that led to the Revolution in 1775, but British gun control and attempted confiscation.

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  15. gimmesometruth March 28, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    The Republican ‘establishment’ has already formed a ‘circular firing squad’. Allowing ‘conceal carry’ conventioneers to the arena might prevent an unintended consequence from happening, and would show America where they stand vis-a-vis the Constitution.

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  16. elderal March 28, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    There certainly ARE venues where guns are accepted. I know, for sure, that the convention center in downtown Ft. Worth allowed concealed carry 2 years ago and 4 years ago for the Republican Party of Texas conventions. Several others and I were “carrying” there. This convention has a far larger attendance than the RNC event so there is zero problem on capacity either.

    Indeed, the ‘leadership’ of the national party have proven themselves to be RINO’s. This group cleared the path for McCain and Romney (both RINO’s) to get the nomination which assured the general election “crash and burn” disasters. They are working for three-in-a-row.

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      ltuser March 29, 2016 at 5:12 pm

      Of course the Establishment is full of RINOs.. Look at how they have, and still are trying to steal the vote from US the voters, to give the nominee to who THEY want..

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  17. buzzman March 29, 2016 at 4:17 pm

    I’m against it. The fascists of the left will come in and start shooting people and then the main stream media will have a field day.

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  18. buzzman March 30, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    The petition was started by an Obama Hack and the media fell for it.

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