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Millions of Americans to lose their current health insurance

By United Press International

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The White House defended President Obama's repeated claim Americans can keep their current health insurance plans under Obamacare if they like them.

The backpedal defense followed an NBC News report more than 7 million Americans with health insurance plans that don't meet minimum standards under the new law would have to upgrade to the new, more expensive plans that meet the standards next year, which the network said meant those people would lose their current healthcare coverage.

The report alleged the Obama administration knew about this, despite Obama's continued assertions nothing in the Affordable Care Act required people to change what they had.

The network said the law's regulations in 2010 estimated 40 percent to 67 percent of customers would have to give up their existing policies because of the new minimum standards as well as normal insurance turnover.

Policies existing before 2010 are protected from this rule by a grandfather clause, but the clause applies only if the healthcare plan hasn't changed significantly since 2010, such as in the plan's deductible, co-pay or benefits.

"It's true that there are existing healthcare plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

"There are some that can be grandfathered if people want to keep insurance that's substandard," he said.

"But what is also true is that Americans who have insurance on the existing individual market will now have numerous options available to them, and six out of 10 will pay less than $100 per month in premiums for better insurance," Carney said. "It's not even an apples-and-apples comparison."

Obama supported the health law Monday, citing a new report showing nearly half of uninsured single, young adults in the United States, or about 1.3 million people, could sign up for health insurance for $50 or less a month after tax credits.

Some 1.9 million could pay $100 or less a month, while 1 million more could qualify for Medicaid, the Department of Health and Human Services report said.

"Less than your cellphone bill, less than your cable bill," Obama told Fusion, a new cable channel from ABC News and Univision.

The questions about the plans' cost and coverage came as the first of two House hearings on Capitol Hill was to begin on the troubled start of the HealthCare.gov federal exchange plan enrollment website.

Medicare and Medicaid Administrator Marilyn Tavenner, who has overseen the health law's rollout, is to testify before the House Way and Means Committee starting at 10 a.m. Tuesday.

She is to be followed by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who is to testify before the House Energy and Commerce Committee at 9 a.m. Wednesday.

As recently as late September, Tavenner predicted the Affordable Care Act website would have a smooth Oct. 1 start.

But the federal website -- for residents of the 36 states that chose not to create their own state healthcare exchanges -- has been marred by serious technological problems from its debut, making it difficult for individuals and small businesses to sign up for health insurance.

The Obama administration has promised the site will be fixed by the end of November.

"We will focus on oversight of why the testing did not occur, why the administration told this committee repeatedly that they were on track when they were not, the uncertainty this is causing for Americans trying to sign up, wondering if their doctor will still take their coverage, seeing cancellations of their current healthcare plan," a Ways and Means Committee spokeswoman told The Washington Post.

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  1. NewsWatcherComment by NewsWatcher
    October 29, 2013 @ 7:51 am

    I guess it is okay to outright lie, as long as it is an extreme liberal who is doing it; as long as it accomplishes a liberal, unconstitutional act diminishing individual freedom; and as long as the person telling the lie is a media and elitist poster boy. If you are none of these, then you will be castigated even if you tell the truth.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:37 am

      Trust me, the government check is in the mail, and you can keep your current healthcare in its current form,,,,,,,as a nation continues to fall off the turnip truck in belief. Fool me once shame on you, fool me with 2600 pages and an unworkable Website I can’t read or understand,,,,full of Democrat Spiders whose safe Healthcare cacoons offered turn out to Spider Websites that wrap you up tighter than a wart on a knat’s A$s,,,,shame on me! How is that Healthcare working for all you Little Miss Muffets?,,,as Obama continues to eat all your curds and have all his Whey (Way) with you who now have become the financial food of the socialst Gods.

      Someone tell me why 85% of a population of 300 million self-governing Americans have to suffer to pay for the 15% of ungovernable people who are unable to govern self, or refuse to work and pay their own way to healthcare. How is it that these minority positions can so totally dominate the majority in a country designed for SELF-government.? When indeed was SELF-government teaching taken out of our Kids curriculum at school? Obviously when the care was taken out of our caretakers who we trusted with our children to teach to become self-governing but were only taught to become SELF-serving as reflected in our current leadership and the failed social experiments this Democarat Party offers to destroy our ability togovern SELF and remain a self governing nation.

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    • murphyj87Comment by murphyj87
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:39 am

      The only reason that Americans are losing their insurance is because the insurance company bureaucrats who stand between Americans and the health care they need ARE DROPPING THEM.

      Polls are very clear. Only 26% of Americans with insurance are satisfied with their access to health care and the quality of the heath care they receive. Meanwhile, over 90% of Americans with government funded healthcare and over 90% of Canadians with government funded, physician run health care, are satisfied with both their access to health care and the quality of the heath care they receive.

      This is the reason that 2 million Americans each year go to Canada to get the health care that the insurance company bureaucrat who stands between those Americans and the health care they need, denied or rationed their health care.

      Americans are deceived by insurance company propaganda into thinking that Canadians go to the US for medical treament, while only a small handfull of Canadians go to the US for medical treatment, but for every Canadian who goes to the US for medical treatment, over 700 Americans have always gone, and still go, to Canada for the medical treatment they are denied by the insurance company bureaucrat who stands between Americans and the heath care they need.

      The fact is that 97% of Canadians would NEVER touch American insurance run health care with a ten foot pole IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

      An American standing on the sidewalk of any Canadian city, and talking to every Canadian walking by on that sidewalk, would be hard pressed to find A SINGLE CANADIAN who went to the US for medical treatment and none of those Canadians the Amerian talked to would EVEN KNOW any Canadian who ever went to the US for medical treatment. Virtually all Canadians get all of their medical treatment in Canada, which is the main reason that Canadians outlive Americans with insurance run health care by almost 5 years.

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    • spindizzyComment by spindizzy
      October 29, 2013 @ 10:15 am

      Kind of lies like a good muslim, doesn’t he?

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    • freebirdComment by freebird
      October 29, 2013 @ 10:45 am

      Murphyj87-
      The reason these old policies are being dropped is because they don’t comply with the Obamacare mandates.

      Obama knew this and lied through his teeth when he repeatedly said if you like your policy you can keep your policy. The new policies will cost more because they include provisions that some don’t want and can’t use – like maternity care, etc. Also the new policies have to include the no caps, pre-existing condition requirements. There’s no way they can cost less than previous policies. With government subsidies they may be comparable, but check the out of pocket minimums before you start jumping up and down. I’ve read that they are much higher. The subsidies are not free, they just mean someone else (taxpayers) are carrying some of your load.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 11:28 am

      The “Obamacare mandates”, murphyj87 are ridiculous and impractical “one-sze-fits-all” requirements that pretty much put an end to “freedom of choice” where your health care is concerned, and guarantee that virtually EVERY existing insurance policy will not pass muster and those people will be forced into Obamacare exchanges if they want any health insurance at all.

      It includes such gems as requiring childbirth and pediatric coverage for people in their 60s and up, guaranteeing that virtually nobody will be able to “keep their health care plan”, whether they like it or not. Obama KNEW this when he was promising “if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan”. He LIED. (What a surprise there-that is all he DOES is lie, about EVERYTHING).

      So NOW they are saying that “most people” will be able to keep their health care plans, or “some people” will be able to keep their health care plans, depending on which LIAR is on the podium. But that is NOT what Obama said when he was repeatedly telling people “IF you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan, period.”

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    • tatorsaladComment by tatorsalad
      October 29, 2013 @ 12:44 pm

      And we will all dance around with unicorns and moonbeams in our pocket. LMAO! Jay Carney has the lie down to an art form.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 1:53 pm

      That is why I call Jay Carney the Weasel-In-Chief, tatorsalad. Doesn’t he sort of look like a FERRET?

      Regardless of that, he is the conduit through which our Liar-In-Chief disseminates his LIES when he does not want to face the public and speak them himself.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:45 pm

      “you will be castigated even if you tell the truth”

      I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. You will be castigated especially if you tell the truth

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    • capricorn1Comment by capricorn1
      October 29, 2013 @ 3:12 pm

      one more thing mr president….keep your feet off the peoples desk.

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    • rustypatComment by rustypat
      October 29, 2013 @ 3:47 pm

      You can keep your pickup truck, as long as it meets the mandate for you to have a hybrid that gets 50mpg.

      What a farce Obama is … the only thing is that he actually knows that he aspires to be crafty at hoodwinking people. That’s been his entire M.O. … and by the time the gig is up, he’s on to something else, or already has you by the shorts (oooh, now it’s the law) and won’t agree to restore propriety or acknowledge the deception that accompanied the con.

      Classic liberal approach at take everything you can and give nothing back, no matter the cost, but get someone else to pay for it instead.

      Obama-Nation is an Abomination.
      http://www.openbible.info/topics/abomination

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    • mcrankComment by mcrank
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:51 pm

      “Tell me lies—tell me sweet little lies—tell me, tell me lies”—Fleetwood Mac

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 30, 2013 @ 10:45 am

      Murphyj87, were born as stupid as you sound or did you have to go through an Obama mind sweep to achieve your ignorance?

      Have you ever been to Canada much less talked to a Canadian? I have and while healthcare is rarely a topic of discussion, have never heard one say anything about how happy they are with their healthcare system. Have you ever taken a single educational course in economics? If you have you must have slept through it because you sure don’t know squat about how a capitalist system works and like it or not that’s what we are and what we are fighting dolts like you to maintain. In the end we will keep it whether socialists such as you, like it or not. You say that 90% of the people on government healthcare are happy with it. I doubt it and I’ll bet you have nothing to support you and no source for that number other than possibly Obama or one of his lackeys.

      These are the same people with no work ethic or pride; that are happy with their food stamps, their Obama phones, their subsidized housing, their free emergency room medical care and who have never worked to better themselves finding it easier to stand around with their hand out thinking that everyone else should support them which I suspect includes you.

      You cite polls to support your comments. Produce just one reliable poll to back up your contentions and give us the link to it. Can’t do it? I wonder why.

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  2. jagansComment by jagans
    October 29, 2013 @ 9:09 am

    I am sure that all of you have insurance of several types. Auto, Home, Health etc. Why? Because you HAVE TO BY LAW. How did this happen? Why are we forced to have something that we may never use? What if we are retired like me, and I hardly drive anymore, except to take my grandson down to the bus stop at the end of the street? WHy do I have to pay for the idiots with bald tires, that speed all the time, or for people like my neighbors kid that speeds up the driveway even though there are young kids plying on the front lawn? By the way I told them about this idiot of theirs (Not in those terms) but it has had no effect. At least I tried.

    The answer is obvious and Im sure you know what it is. The good drivers have to pay for the bad drivers, because if we didnt, the bad drivers could not get their cars fixed. SO WHAT??????? Let them sit home and stare at their wrecks!

    Of course, that’s not what happens. The ****** drivers get their cars fixed, then go out next week and wreck them again, and their rates go up. But not just their rates go up. Every bodies rates go up.

    Now, how many times have you tried to go to your insurance company after something happens, only to find out that what you are trying to get fixed is not covered? Like a cracked windshield. You probably found out that your deductible was $250.00, and the cost of a new windshield was $249.99, right?

    What am I getting at here? Well what I am getting at is that consider for just one minute that President Obama was actually trying to accomplish something positive, but he had no idea of just how devious, crooked, and down right unconstitutional Insurance companies are. Remember the Banking Fiasco? How even though millions of people lost their savings and their homes the banking guys that caused all the trouble by giving loans to unqualified people got their multi-million dollar bonuses?

    Where Obama went wrong is who he picked to be his cabinet. To deal with Money Hungry Capitalist leeches, you have to think like a capitalist Leech.

    Look what President Lincoln did. He hired all the guys that ran against him. (Team of Rivals, Doris Kearns Goodwin) Had he picked Mitt Romney to run this health insurance thing, I bet it would have worked flawlessly.

    Never has the term “It takes one to know one” more appropriate than here.

    The point is that this poor guy is in way over his head on every issue he has faced, and he does not have the good sense to know it. He went in thinking that he cannot act like he does not know something, because that would reflect badly on the black race. He compounded his woes by listening to those around him that made suggestions on whom to put in charge of things.

    Ms Sibelius is the first one that comes to mind. This lady does not have a clue, and if she came to any of us for that job, we would have read her resume, and asked her if her current health care program covered mental illness, because it needs to.

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    • spindizzyComment by spindizzy
      October 29, 2013 @ 10:13 am

      @ jagans…You are only part way there to the reality of this guy. He is indeed in way over his head, but he sure isn’t a “poor guy”. I would label a fellow a “poor guy” if, for example, he had no idea of what he was doing or trying to accomplish and was just too stupid to know how he was being manipulated. But this guy knows full well what he is trying to accomplish. What YOU need to realize is that the big stinky BO is only a very small cog in this machine, just the figurehead puppet. He doesn’t have to know ANYTHING, as he obviously doesn’t. He is not in charge of the daily issuance of decrees or policies. He is not keeping tabs on world affairs. But his backers know he is a good liar and can read a teleprompter with such arrogance that it will fool a high percentage of stupid people. Whatever the case, he is not just some “poor guy” in way over his head. He is part of a very diabolical, progressive overthrow of the U.S. of A. that has been in the works for decades and is now almost complete. Sibelius “doesn’t have a clue”, neither did Napolitano, neither did Geithner, neither does Lew, none of them are brilliant, only dishonest party ideologs. NOT TO BE PITIED! TO BE FOUGHT!

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    • CMB1Comment by CMB1
      October 29, 2013 @ 10:54 am

      You have a choice to own a home or drive a car. Id you do not own either, no insurance has to be purchased. Homeowners insurance is not a law, it is just a requirement of the money lender for the mortgage. If you do purchase a home, once it’s paid for it’s the homeowners choice to continue insuring it or not. It is their choice what coverage the insurance will provide for. With Odumacare, there is no choice to avoid paying for it. You either buy it or pay a fine for not buying it. There is little choice for coverage with Obamacare. Men now have to pay for maturity too even though they can not get pregnant. Everyone has to purchase pediatric dental care whether they have kids or not. There is no fine to pay if you do not purchase homeowners insurance or vehicle insurance if you do not own either one. That’s the difference concerning your examples. Obamacare was passed by the democrats. None of them cared if it would work or not. Not one republican voted for it. The democrats did this to you, not Obama. He is just a mouthpiece, a salesman for the insurance fraud called Obamacare.

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    • jagansComment by jagans
      October 29, 2013 @ 11:03 am

      You could be correct, but I have not reached that level of cynicism (or enlightenment) yet.

      What I do know is that the insurance companies are probably having champagne parties right now congratulating themselves for pulling this one off. They are the ones that are really going to make a fortune on this.

      What is very bothersome to me is the fact that Washington has become nothing but a cesspool of yes men that go with the party line no matter what the outcome may be. Lets take a similar hypothetical case in the private sector with a subject that I know something about:

      Ms. Pelosi calls me and says she heard I am a good, quality oriented Roofing Contractor, and would I please come over and give her a price on her roof.

      I respond by telling her “sure, but first you have to give me $20,000 dollars and sign my contract first.”

      NP Responds: “Wait a minute, you expect me to sign a contract that I have not even read, and give you that much money before you even show up with the materials to start my roof? What if I don’t like what the contract says, or the type and color of the shingles you intend to use?

      “That’s your problem, Nancy, you just have to trust me. Just sign the damn contract, and shut up”

      Who in their right mind would sign this contract, and why does this lady think that anybody would be this stupid?

      The point here is that there HAD to be a number of democrats that knew this health care package was a disaster, yet they went ahead and put their stamp of approval on it anyway because they did not want to be seen as anything but a yes man.

      And I propose to you that there are nothing but yes men in Washington today. I have witnessed this first hand in meetings wherein people were selected to run governmental departments that do not have the first clue about the department they are running. Why does this happen?

      Political Appointees (Like Ms. Sibelius) Hey, look at the bright side Kathy, you will be remembered in History now. Isn’t that why you went into politics in the first place?)

      This time the entire Democratic side of the house boarded a Kamikaze plane, and I cant wait to see it hit the White House.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 11:09 am

      Let’s not forget that Dobbs and Franks (both fine democrats) pressured the banks to give the loans for half million dollar houses to welfare recipients.

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    • mvotano58Comment by mvotano58
      October 29, 2013 @ 12:07 pm

      Only required to have auto insurance if I am driving on a public roadway. I am not required to have homeowners insurance unless I am financing a house. And I am not required by any law to have life insurance either.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 12:41 pm

      jagans, if you truly believe that “Obama was trying to do something positive”, considering that he HATES this country, has been working day and night since elected to destroy our economy AND our freedoms, and Obamacare is his CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT toward those goals, then you really DO have a problem, the kind that comes with the message,

      “Your village called. Their idiot is missing.”

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:34 pm

      Jagans, I must commend you on your understanding of the liberal mindset. That is if a mindset is possible without a mind. Liberals have to be the only creature on the planet who can go through their entire life cycle without expending even the first synapse.

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  3. pwpmmpComment by pwpmmp
    October 29, 2013 @ 9:36 am

    I don’t know why anyone is surprised by this. The end game has always been to coerce America into total government controlled healthcare, because if you control the healthcare, you own the people. The only “good” thing about this disaster unfolding before our eyes is that they overplayed their hand. Obama wanted this to be his legacy so, in order to get credit for it, he forced it before it was ready. His conceit, in fact, may be the only saving grace. By foisting it upon us half-baked and riddled with obvious flaws, people are waking up to what is really going on. The fawning masses will go along with Obama until they realize THEIR checkbooks are going to take the hit. Hence, the scramble to extend the deadline for favored groups. What is left to be seen is if there are still enough hard-working, tax paying Americans left to out number the money-sucking sloths who always vote liberals into office. Why do you think Obama and his ilk are so anxious to open the borders? They need the assurance that when the dumbstruck groupies wake up it won’t matter, because it will be too late.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:56 pm

      Getting someone to do what you want them to do while holding a gun to their head id not coercion.

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  4. hopemccloudComment by hopemccloud
    October 29, 2013 @ 9:50 am

    Monthly cost would be $1,100 per month for the middle-class family who does not qualify for subsidies for a $500 policy. This includes higher health insurance premiums as well as higher taxes on the 55% who actually pay taxes.

    quote- six out of 10 will pay less than $100 per month in premiums for better insurance

    Using a mythical figure of $500 per month for insurance premium (HSA with $3000 individual $6000 family deductible)
    10 out of 10 would cost $5000 per month (10×500)
    6 out of 10 would contribute $600 per month (6×100)
    4 out of 10 would contribute $4400 per month (4×1100)

    I guess they figure the 6 out of 10 will vote; where the 4 out of 10 ( no longer a silent majority, just a silent minority) will not vote. GET OUT AND VOTE!

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  5. joe23006Comment by joe23006
    October 29, 2013 @ 9:51 am

    The issue of health insurance and heath care has been muddled. The care has always been there, emergency rooms treating before assessing a patients ability to pay, politically incorrect ‘charity’ hospitals, privately funded medical facilities; they have been part of our culture, no one in need was sent away! Doctors and patients had a relationship for years.
    Then the government became involved with Medicare, Medicade, whatever. Prices soared because of regulations having nothing to do with health but of accounting. Obamacare is the penultimate scheme to make us all subserviant to a government which is choosing to exclude itself from the rules it has set for those who elected them and will pay the increasing costs.

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    • hopemccloudComment by hopemccloud
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:59 am

      Yes sir, it has always amused me that http://www.healthcare.gov has nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with health insurance.

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    • teufelhundeComment by teufelhunde
      October 29, 2013 @ 10:32 am

      @joe23006: Exactly, it is as you said, government involvement in something they have no business getting involved in. Because of meddling and regulations, the insurance companies have had to comply with the laws passed by the meddlers in D.C., not to say there was no greed involved with insurance companies. But, left to the free market to dictate the laws of competition between companies, I would wager pricing for policies would be better than the rip-off we have now…from both ends!

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  6. faaqComment by faaq
    October 29, 2013 @ 9:59 am

    This fiasco should be no surprise to anyone. Remember Nancy Pelosi’s cry of “we need to sign it to find out what’s in it”! Don’t you think this was the intention all along? Make this so screwed up and complicated so they can get to single payer. Like Medicare. And we all know how great that’s working out. They want to put more people on the Medicare and Medicaid rolls and have the few people left working for them through tax hikes. You only need to work 2 1/2 years to be eligible for Medicare part A. How did they think that program could sustain itself if a percentage of the population may have only worked a few years and then collects off it. Maybe if they ended up going to single payer but the people doing the actual paying get seen by doctors first, maybe that would be the fair way.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 11:49 am

      Harry Reid came right out and SAID, “Obamacare is the first step to a single-payer system.”

      Every once in awhile, even the VILEST Democrat slips up and actually speaks the TRUTH.

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    • oldsargeComment by oldsarge
      October 29, 2013 @ 3:34 pm

      Congressman Dingle from Michigan was there when Obama signed it. At the time he gleefully said that this gives them control of the people. It was even caught on video.

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  7. whodunitComment by whodunit
    October 29, 2013 @ 10:03 am

    For Obama, this has never been about healthcare. This is about redistribution of wealth — taking from those who have worked hard all their lives and giving it to those who don’t want to work at all.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 11:57 am

      Well, it’s actually about THREE things: Redistribution of wealth is certainly one of them. The other two are total POWER OVER and CONTROL OF the American people.

      Remember, Hitler said, “If you control health care, you control the people.” And Lenin said, “Government health care is the cornerstone in the arch of Socialism.”

      THOSE two tyrants understood that getting control of health care was KEY to subjugating the people, because it literally gives you the power of life and death over people who must adhere to your party line or be denied life-saving health care when they are sick. If you want to see how this works, read the novel, “The Cancer Ward” by Soviet dissident Aleksander Solzhenitsyn, about govt.-controlled health care in the old Soviet Union.

      There is no QUESTION that Obama is a big fan of both Hitler AND Lenin, since he patterns so MANY of his actions after them. And one OTHER thing that is a certainty: Obamacare really has very little to do with “health care” and everything to do with ending the freedoms of the American people.

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  8. freebirdComment by freebird
    October 29, 2013 @ 10:16 am

    Let’s see here: Obamacare –
    Can’t get the easy part even close to right. Website costs $600M+ and is worth – 50 cents. Chances are most or all will have to be redone. Vendors reimbursing the taxpayers? Not on your life! Won’t be really ready the way a private commercial site would demand for 6 months or perhaps more. They missed testing deadlines because they were running out of time. That’s because they only 3+ years to get the website up, tested and running. If this isn’t government run amuck I don’t know what is. If this doesn’t confirm beyond any shadow of a doubt that government can’t run a large program without it being FUBAR, I don’t know what would convince you.

    In addition, they refuse, at this point, to extend the enrollment period, delay the penalty imposition and take full, clear responsibility for this cluster fk.

    When you look under the curtain you find in addition that even before you can decide to sign up you have to provide a lot of personal information, including information relating to your health and current HC. You also will not that there’s a statement on their site that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy for your information and that they can use it for whatever legal purpose they like. Well, there’s a law, passed many years ago (1996) called HIPAA. It provides that all patients’ HC information is required to be kept confidential – for 50 years after their death. However, the Democrats claim that the information you are required to provide, on a site you are required to use, to join a program you are required to join, isn’t required to keep your data safe, even though the information you must provide includes your SSN, current HC plan status, whether or not you smoke, etc. They say HIPAA isn’t applicable. Even if HIPAA isn’t applicable, when your government demands private information from you they should be required under penalties of law, to keep your data private and secure.

    Finally there’s the sticker shock that comes when your current carrier, despite what Obama and his minions have repeatedly promised, tells you your policy will be dropped by the end of the year because it doesn’t comply with Obamacare rules. And, oh by the way, your new plan will cost more, sometimes a whole lot more, with stuff you don’t need and didn’t want.

    What part of “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.” means you can actually keep your old plan?

    Question: was Obama lying through his teeth or just so dumb about his “signature achievement” he didn’t have a clue what was in it?

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 12:02 pm

      In answer to our question,freebird, Obama IS dumb in a lot of ways, but he was ALSO lying from start to finish about this “health care” debacle.

      Obamacare is designed to remove ALL freedom of choice about your health care–who provides it, what you get, and what kind of coverage you “need”, according to some govt. WONK, ALL of whom are basically incompetent and unfit for their jobs.

      Milton Friedman was RIGHT when he said, “If the govt. took over the Sahara Desert, within 5 years there would be a shortage of sand.”

      Well, we’re about 5 YEARS into Obama’s reign–and the sand is running out FAST.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 1:38 pm

      I think your wrong about the ACA being Obama’s signature achievement. Actually his signature achievemanr will be leaving office.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 8:46 pm

      Actually, jcrutcher, I think getting him out of office will be OUR “signature achievement”.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 30, 2013 @ 11:35 am

      Touch’. You’re entirely correct. How could I have overlooked something so obvious.

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  9. jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
    October 29, 2013 @ 10:28 am

    “Obama supported the health law Monday, citing a new report showing nearly half of uninsured single, young adults in the United States, or about 1.3 million people, could sign up for health insurance for $50 or less a month after tax credits.”

    I’m having problems understanding the “after tax credits” part. Generally a tax credit means that you pay up front and can claim that amount as a deduction on your next tax return. If this is the case few to none of the entry level McJob younger will be able to aford their monthly insurance premiums and still be able to survive and pay any of their other bills. Much less be fiscally able to even pay the interest on the student loans they took out to pay for ther over priced educations that still do nothing to help them land meaningful employment. Face it, when you have a job that nets in the low $20k annually range and have to pay out $4,500+ for health insurance there isn’t much left once local/state/federal taxes, SS taxes, medicare,medicaid taxes, car payment, vehicle insurance, vehicle maintneance/operating costs, housing, utilities, groceries/personal maintenance(clothingand etc), servicing student loan/other debts, and in many cases maintaining a family, retirement fund contributions, … there isn’t much, if anything, left. Top that off with companies like Walmart that has more of employees on government than not and we have a fine start toward total dependany on the government. Surely there is a word for a society in such a condition, Now what do they call it… Oh yeah. Communism. Hop they can learn to budget well. Gotta make those renminbi go as far as possible.

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    • freebirdComment by freebird
      October 29, 2013 @ 10:50 am

      The subsidies/credits are “refundable”. That means you don’t have to have paid in any taxes to get the refunded amounts. That’s different from non-refundable credits which require that you have had to pay in the money first before you can get some of it back.

      Your premiums costing less than full freight after the subsidies just means others (taxpayers) are picking up your expenses.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 12:05 pm

      You’ve GOT it, jcrutcher. I’ve been wondering why NOBODY has brought up that point–TAX CREDITS come after you’ve paid the FULL AMOUNT all YEAR LONG. Then you file your tax return and get the tax credit. This amounts to an interest-free loan to the government.

      If you CAN’T AFFORD the premiums for your wonderful new “health care”, what are you supposed to DO for the next year? Go without food to pay for it? Walk to work, because there is no money left for gas at $3+ per gallon after you pay your health insurance bill?

      THAT, boys and girls, is why they made it a TAX CREDIT, instead of a straight-out subsidy.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 1:53 pm

      The operative word is “could”. The question that needs answering is how many have?

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:37 pm

      I also have difficulties with the word “refundable” as used here. To be refunded implies that funds were exchanged to start with and now some portion or all of these “funds” are being returned. That simply isn’t the case here.

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    • freebirdComment by freebird
      October 29, 2013 @ 10:05 pm

      jrcrutcher

      You may have problems with the terminology used in the Code, but I’m afraid those are the technical terms used when referring to credits and in this case subsidies. A credit can take one of two ways refundable and non-refundable. The first is payable regardless of the taxes actually paid in previously and the latter an not exceed the taxes previously paid in.
      Subsidies depend on your premium costs and your income levels. They have nothing to do with the taxes you may or may not have paid in.

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  10. georgiagalComment by georgiagal
    October 29, 2013 @ 10:29 am

    Let me make one thing clear that this article and all the others are not stating: The Individual Insurance Policies were never covered by the grandfather clause. There was never a guarantee that individual’s policies would be available as is….period. Yep….I’m a health insurance agent and this was specific in my continuing education course on Obamacare!

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    • NewsWatcherComment by NewsWatcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 10:46 am

      Why would this article have to state that .. the liar in chief stated that .. before the law was even signed AND after they KNEW it wasn’t true. THAT is the point of this article. It was obviously a bald-faced lie.

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    • freebirdComment by freebird
      October 29, 2013 @ 10:53 am

      Can you point out the part of the law that talks about grandfathered plans?

      When Obama made his promises he never qualified his bald-faced lie that if we liked our policy we could keep it. Just an out and out lie.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 11:25 am

      I guess that “If you like your insurance plan you can keep it” isn’t an implied guarantee is it Ms. insurance agent? It never said anything about having to change insurance policies either did it? By your logic if you buy a book from Barnes and Noble and find that it’s written in Coptic you have no right to expect it to be in English.

      What an asinine statement. Do you work for Obama Care?

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    • jagansComment by jagans
      October 29, 2013 @ 11:31 am

      Hi Georgia Gal. Maybe you can answer a question that I have. Why doesnt the government just require that all employers provide health insurance for their employees at a base level, and why don’t all of the insurance companies have to take on the smaller companies equally.

      The insurance companies would know how to handle the details much better than the government.

      The reason I ask this is that with this type of system the field would be leveled automatically for the services that the small companies provide. In other words you would not have some companies providing health care, and others not, with JQ public having to cover the uninsured walk in emergency cases.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 11:50 am

      Or to amplify, So “If you like your insurance plan you can keep it” isn’t an implied guarantee is it then Ms. insurance agent? I guess Obama should have said “If you like your insurance plan you can keep it, but that’s no guarantee” or have a clause hidden somewhere in the 2,700+ pages or have it written into the 8’ high stack of supporting regulations stating that if you need health insurance this policy is void. But that would mean he would be telling the truth rather than scamming you. Why would you expect that from this man?

      By your logic if you buy an English dictionary from Barnes and Noble and aren’t allowed to look inside, then after paying for it with no returns allowed you find that it’s written in Coptic you have no right to expect it to be in English.

      What an asinine statement. Do you work for Obama Care?

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 12:10 pm

      Don’t be too hard on georgiagal, sumitch. I suspect we are ALL going to be “working for Obamacare” before this is over.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:07 pm

      “If you like your insurance plan you can keep it”

      I have to agree. The above quote by Obama doesn’t imply anything. It out and out states that you can keep your current health insurance coverage.

      Not to nit-pick but all Obama promised was that if you liked your current coverage YOU could keep it. But that doesn’t place an onus on the insurance carriers to continue to offer it. Personally I’m looking for the insurance cariers to start adjusting the deductables until the meet or exceed the average amount spent annually by most people on healthcare. That way should they ever have to actually meet their contractural obligations their outlay will be minimal.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:30 pm

      Freebird, by their nature lies are never qualified. If such qualification were possible they wouldn’t need to lie in order to get the gullible to believe them.

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    • pwpmmpComment by pwpmmp
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:49 pm

      freebird, in response to your question I have a partial answer because I am grandfathered in, but it is only for one year – 2014. After that, all bets are off. It is my understanding from my insurance company, that if you have had the exact same plan since 2010, and the insurance company still offers that exact same plan, you can keep that plan for one more year. However, that plan is costing me over $100 more per month (a total of $657/month for one healthy person) in 2014, and because I didn’t go on the exchanges I am not eligible for a subsidy, even though financially, I qualify, no question. Obamacare pretty much bites the big one no matter where you fit on the spectrum, unless you depend on the tax paying public to cover all of your expenses, and then, what’s to complain about? You’re not paying anything anyway.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 3:04 pm

      pwpmmp, “and the insurance company still offers that exact same plan” That one statement pretty much sums it all up. The insurance companies aren’t required to offer the same plan even from year to year. Quite simply they can rewrite the policies as often as they cfare to to ensure maximum profitabilty and minimize payouts. Anmd “We the people” under penalty of law have no choice but cowtow to their profiteering.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 3:33 pm

      jcrutcher, I hope you are are wrong about the deductibles and co-pays, but from what I’ve seen of Obamacare “plans” with their $6,000 to $12,000 deductibles and 40% co-pays, I fear that you are right. My question when I saw that was, WHO has $12,000 PLUS 40% of every medical expense just lying around to pay all incoming medical expenses, on TOP of paying pricey health care premiums? And if you DID have that extra $12,000 plus 40% co-pay lying around unused, why would you need Obamacare?

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    • georgiagalComment by georgiagal
      October 29, 2013 @ 5:39 pm

      Just to let all of you know…..I do not work for Obamacare and do not agree with the law and do not want to have anything to do with it. I just wanted to let everyone know that there was never any intent in the law to let individuals keep their policies if their policy did not meet the new required coverages to be included. Yes O lied and all those connected to Obamacare. Furthermore, even the states or areas that start off with reasonable premiums for the start up of Obamacare will have to increase their premiums the first renewal as there will be so many people using their insurance who previously had no insurance and are very sick. These people will break the bank and the insurance companies will need more premiums to payout on all these claims. Just give it a year and then everyone will see real sticker shock.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 8:01 pm

      All that is needed to see where the premiums will go under Obamacare is to look at what has happened in Massachusetts under Romneycare which is the model for Obamacare.

      Insurance companies are not in the business as a public service. They’re in the business to make profits. If they have to drop policy holders, raise premiums, increase co-pay or modify policies to fit the requirements of Obamacare etc. to continue to make profits, that is what will happen. Or they can just fold up their tents and go out of business.

      I’m not crazy about the premiums I have to pay for my supplemental insurance, but I sure was happy to have the insurance when I had my TIA followed by a heart attack including a triple bypass a year later. It does take a good chunk out of my “entitled” social security and small VA pension though.
      P S
      Dam* right I’m entitled to my social security check and VA pension. I worked 52 years and paid into social security which was matched by my various employers plus I got an all expense paid trip including clothes, meals and bullet launcher to Viet Nam for my VA benefits.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:16 pm

      Glad you’re still with us sumitch. I’m with you on the small VA pension. Life is hell for an old pop-up target ain’t it. But all in all I wouldn’t trade it for anything. Served with a lot of good men. Lost more than a few and remember them daily.

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    • gtimberlakeComment by gtimberlake
      October 30, 2013 @ 1:37 am

      g gal , a few thoughts. The following is not meant to be offensive, but could be to some: “Individual insurance  policies not covered by a grandfather clause. -Never a guarantee that individual policies would be available as is.”  -You  are correct – according to ACA. -But Obama (and others) repeatedly said on many video recorded messages that “you would be able to keep your doctor and your health insurance policy (from ACME Insurance Company) if you liked it and wanted to keep it. ” Of course, he left out all those details about how and why that could never happen in reality. Those ‘details’ just got in the way of – -  - ‘The  Message’. – - -and they could mess up ‘The Vote’ and the – - ‘Agenda’.

      Yes,  On many video recorded messages,- the messages ‘they’ wanted people to hear, – the specific language and the inference was clear and plain. The many statements made along the way were blatantly the opposite of what the actual ACA stated and would cause to occur. It was all baked in their ‘recipe’.  (It was claimed that as many as 14 million people would lose their insurance policies due to ACA. – But – whisper- whisper-sshh- the ‘unintentional’ liars are really going for 100%, a single – payer system. Sshh- don’t tell.) – - The fact that he intentionally misled the people and stated the opposite of the truth is what we call a “lie”.- –  And when Republicans warned that this ‘democrat party and  Obama owned’ – sanitized version of ‘the facts’ was not true – he came up with, “thou shalt not bear false witness”, as a retort. He demonized and suggested and pointed his finger and demanded that Republicans were lying and demeaning him because they did not like his plan, and did not like him, and that they were obviously bigoted if they did not go along with him. Smear. Smear. Smear. – - Yet, now -OMG, the Republicans that read and studied the bill and knew what was in it were, –  ”Telling the Truth”. – Shock and Awe. Gasp. Gasp. – - Obama and the Democrats were – Were ‘Lying’ and ‘Misrepresenting the facts’. -Facts. – Real Facts. – You know. -The ‘actual ingredients’ in the bill.

      That – is – why- so- many – people- say- he – is – and was- – lying. Yes, lying. And we don’t like it. And we never liked it. And we don’t like the power grab. Or the many destructions of what is good about this country. – Including his selfish and petty decisions to take this country toward financial chaos and irresponsible indebtedness. But , don’t worry. He will make history- and his cronies. The whole whiny, slimy, lying, excuse-making, blaming someone else, “I didn’t know it”- “It wasn’t me”, disrespectful, bullying, name-calling, murdering, thieving, and cowardly- – lot.  And they will be judged by the past , the future, and by God. One day the lying liberal ‘progressive’ socialist politicians and their media ‘truth-massagers’ will meet their maker and they won’t be laughing then. 

      Somehow the ‘Truth’ always has a way of catching up with folks eventually.  - – and eventually Fast and Furious, the undefended border regions – along with those who have been  kidnapped and terrorized and murdered by encroachers, the Benghazi incident with 4 killed, the Chinook crash with many dead from Seal Team Six and the Afghans who were with them, the IRS targeting creeps and their bosses, the NSA identity and privacy snatchers, the millions of aborted/murdered babies, the granting of  homosexual marriages and calling deviant behavior normal, the destruction of relations and respect of other countries,  the weakening of our defenses, the destruction of the working economies and personal lives of many persons, not defending the Bill of Rights and the Constitution- completely violating the oath of office, the Obama-care power grab and the resulting millions of victims, the phony money printed and digitalized by the Federal Reserve Bank to the tune of $85-90 billion per month destroying monetary value while providing ‘welfare’ /’easy money’ for too-big-to-fail banks, and all the other so-called ‘phony’ crises and situations will have to be reckoned for. All the people, and especially the ‘leaders’ will be held be accountable for their actions. Life is not a game show. But ‘Truth  or Consequences ‘ is a fact we cannot escape. Just look at history.

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  11. mvotano58Comment by mvotano58
    October 29, 2013 @ 11:17 am

    Maybe I’m stupid or something but it seems to me that the only requirement that ISN’T in existing policies and IS required under the ACA is coverage for birth control and related procedures. I’m really confused that the insurance companies would not change the policies to meet the requirements instead of dropping thousands of customers and losing millions, probably billions, of dollars. I don’t get it….can someone please explain that to me.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 11:57 am

      Maybe because the insurance company doesn’t cover pregnancy and doesn’t what to? Or they can’t afford more to charge for pre-existing conditions?

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    • NewsWatcherComment by NewsWatcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 12:11 pm

      To name a couple more, possible pre-existing conditions that do not have to be disclosed (higher premiums to cover things that previously would have been excluded to keep premuims lower,) prescription drug coverage, whether you want it or not, whether you use it or not .. just to name a couple of several things you cannot opt out of even if you want or even if you can’t or won’t use it.

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    • mvotano58Comment by mvotano58
      October 29, 2013 @ 12:15 pm

      Most insurance policies doe cover pregnancies and well baby care but not birth control of any kind which made no sense at all to me when I was that age. You know covering a pregnancy and the child that comes from a pregnancy is considerably more expensive then monthly prescriptions for birth control. Aren’t the laws now making it mandatory to cover birth control and isn’t this law, which requires pre-existing condition coverage even more expensive for those reasons. What in the ACA makes it where insurance companies can’t raise those rates on existing policies to add the features which make it compliant. That is after all why the coverage is so high through the exchanges is it not? Something is very wrong with this whole picture.

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    • jagansComment by jagans
      October 29, 2013 @ 12:34 pm

      I think that is what everyone has been trying to say. There is an awful lot wrong with this health insurance program, yet it was still passed, pretty much sight unseen. By the way, I personally don’t mind paying for birth control, as that is preventive, but I am definitely against “Related Procedures” if that refers to killing babies.

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    • freebirdComment by freebird
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:11 pm

      The two biggies are: 1) Must provide coverage regardless of preexisting conditions, and 2) No caps on the expenses that must be covered. Those two things expose the insurer to huge potential expenses. Add to that all the mandated coverage items that previously people opt out of and you have a recipe for higher exposure and higher costs which result in higher premiums, with or without subsidies. Don’t let anyone pull the wool over your eyes, those whose premiums are reduced by credits and subsidies are being supported by the taxpayers – another wealth transfer program.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:18 pm

      They are setting up a “one size fits all” list of requirements that every policy “must” have for you to continue to have it, which include stuff like requiring 60+ year old people to be covered for pregnancy and pediatric dental care. Personal choice or what your health care needs actually ARE do not enter into their thinking at all.

      With the requirements Obamacare puts in place, they can’t “keep” their current health care plan, because they will not meet these new “requirements”, because they were based upon their actual needs and the coverage they CHOSE to have, not some govt. bureaucrat’s idea of what they should have.

      Therefore, the insurance companies HAVE to drop them and force them into the Obamacare exchanges where they will likely pay higher premiums and bigger deductibles, REGARDLESS of what our Liar-In-Chief claimed when he was SELLING this monstrous fraud to the gullible public.

      There’s ANOTHER little clause in there that says if your existing policy makes any changes (which they HAVE to do to “qualify” to be part of the Obamacare exchanges), then that policy immediately becomes subject to ALL those requirements in Obamacare, and must be dropped if it doesn’t meet them. So you see, it’s a neat little CATCH-22 where they have some excuse to force you OUT of your current health plan and INTO Obamacare exchanges, no matter WHAT you or your insurance company might think about it or do to try to avoid it.

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  12. justinphilpotComment by justinphilpot
    October 29, 2013 @ 12:35 pm

    i doubt if America will wake up to the fact that obama’s one goal is to screw up this country until well after democracy is long gone.
    maybe standing in line for a roll of toilet paper will bring this problem into focus but by then it will be too late for your kids and grand kids to know the freedoms and fun you had growing up.
    look at the kids of 3rd world countries and imagine yours looking the same. change is what you wanted.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 7:31 pm

      By that time toilet paper won’t be an issue. We’ll just use dollar bills as that’s about all of the value they will have by that time. In Germany during the time between WWI and Hitler’s rise to power people used to use DM 1,000 Mark notes because it was cheaper than do that than it was to buy toilet paper. I fear we will rapidly follow that same path.

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  13. 440voltComment by 440volt
    October 29, 2013 @ 12:35 pm

    I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but the ACA is a double boondoggle. First, those that have means, no matter how meager, get to pay for those taking a free ride. Second, the big winners are the insurance companies.
    I’m wondering just how much more of Odumbo’s **** the American people are going to take.

    And speaking of the Comunity Organizer in charge, would some one please tell him to keep his damn feet off of the peoples furniture?

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    • mvotano58Comment by mvotano58
      October 29, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

      If the insurance companies are dropping people by the millions how can they be profiting? I don’t doubt there must be some benefit for them but what, how….and when?

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 1:48 pm

      THey aren’t profiting right at the time. But like any investment profits don’t come immediately. So they give up a little bit of current profit bt canceling these millions of policies (an investment) think of how much they are going to reap from these same people who under penalty of law have to pay for an even more expensive policy with a deductable that meets or exceeds the amount that the insurance company would have to pay for actual care. Seems like a pretty good deal for them to me.

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    • 440voltComment by 440volt
      October 29, 2013 @ 4:43 pm

      mvotano58, The ACA requires everyone to buy medical insurance or face the wrath of one of the enforcement arms of the government, the IRS. Those policies are bought from insurance companies.
      I’m nearly 59 years old and can not remember government at any level, municipal, state or federal requiring the citizens to purchase anything, especially from a for profit organization. And then threaten penalty enforcement from an outfit like the IRS, who can really make your life a living hell.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 4:59 pm

      Maybe setting the requirements so high is on purpose and the insurance companies can’t be profitable and meet them.

      Doesn’t this promote his goal of government run single payer?

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    • whodunitComment by whodunit
      October 29, 2013 @ 5:01 pm

      I think these will be the first two “eye-openers” for the low information voters, or the people who put Obama into office because they thought he was “cool.” First they’re going to find the price of Obamascare to be outrageous, with very little coverage, and then they’ll find that if they don’t pay for insurance or the fine for not having insurance, they’ll now be in trouble with the IRS. Meaning, the IRS can now seize their assets, bank account, etc. I’ve seen this in other countries. It’s something that can ruin someone.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 5:03 pm

      Jay Carney is a weasel.

      Whose with me?

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  14. Eagle525Comment by eagle525
    October 29, 2013 @ 1:00 pm

    The government blatantly lies and American Citizens are told we have no recourse but the ballot box… and that after the damage is done with no recourse to punish the instigators (Federal Officials). Do politicians, especially Obama and the Democrats, think Americans will put up with that forever? I fear that Politicians and The Federal Government are a citizens worst enemy. Times are now analogous to King Georges suppression of his American Colonial subjects rights but far more sinister. What real alternatives do Americans now have to gain back the freedoms usurped by the Fed … and will history repeat itself?

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 1:18 pm

      eagle525, NOW you understand why wise old Ben Franklin said, “No man’s liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session.”

      The passage of this odious “law” we call Obamacare by our national “legislature” is AMPLE PROOF of the truth in his assertion.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 1:45 pm

      As Lou Dobbs said in an interview on the news this morning, “The government is bsically saying to the American people, ‘the government is not working, and there’s not a damned thing you can do about it.’ ”

      THAT is the level of arrogance and indifference displayed by our so-called “public servants” these days. Methinks they need to be returned to the “wild” of the private sector and set free to LIVE with the MESS they have created for the rest of us.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 7:36 pm

      That’s pretty much my plan for the next several elections. Re-elect no one. Even then I won’t vote for anyone on the left side of the ballot.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 8:11 pm

      I’d be with you jr, but I’m pretty pleased with Senator Cruz.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:01 pm

      Cruz is not up for re-election in 2014, sumitch. And he deserves to be re-elected, if for no other reason than he was one of the FEW who had the courage to stand up and FIGHT against Obamacare, even though ALL the Republcans promised to do so when they were courting our votes.

      I do NOT plan to forgive or forget their treachery in failing to do so, either. As far as I am concerned, if the Republican incumbents don’t start doing SOMETHING to show they are WITH us in this fight, and some reason to regard them as something other than the equivalent of a slightly less left-wing Democratic party, then they can expect to be turned out of office, too.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:19 pm

      I’ll concede that Ted is one of the few who are showing merit.

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  15. brianaherneComment by brianaherne
    October 29, 2013 @ 1:03 pm

    Am I a contrarian for saying this? I believe Republicans have said enough, maybe too much, about Obamacare/ACA. “It is a train wreck” pretty much covers it. Why on earth are we trying to fix the unfixable, or even slow it down? That helps no one but democrats Right now we do not have the horses to do the job anyway. I think we need to be quiet and let the inherent problems develop. Then be ready with a plan and candidates for 2014 that can provide a solution. What are the parts, if any, of the program that are beneficial (pre-existing conditions? coverage through parents to age 26?). Keep the good parts, if any, and have our own plan for a roll back/elimination/repeal of the rest. If we don’t, the next step of the disaster is going to be a single payer “solution” -our once rich uncle. The US led medical miracle would then be over -the death certificate signed, sealed, and delivered, just waiting the demise.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      October 29, 2013 @ 1:28 pm

      brianaherne, I believe that is the ONLY sensible course, at this point. The Democrats OWN this disaster, lock, stock and barrel. They did not WANT a postponement when it was offered by the Republican-led House, and were willing to SHUT DOWN the entire government rather than agree to that postponement. If NOW they are eager for a postponement, you can bet it is because they have finally realized that Obamacare is SUCH a colossal disaster that it threatens to get them thrown off the govt. gravy train in 2014, NOT because they have any concern at ALL for the people upon whom they imposed this bureaucratic BOONDOGGLE FRAUD.

      So let them OWN it. LET them try to minimize the political fall-out for this unfixable HORROR. LET the light of day shine upon all the LIES Obama told to get it passed. Maybe they should have READ it to “find out what was in it”, instead of passing it into LAW before even reading it.

      And maybe (though I doubt it), they will have learned that the next time Obama shows up in Congress with one of these 3,000-page monstrosoties, demanding that it be passed TODAY–”you don’t need to read it–just PASS it”, they will be at least a LITTLE suspicious of “what is in it” and want to READ it before allowing that prissy little JERK in the White House to stampede them into buying a pig in a poke and pass a bill about which they know NOTHING.

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    • mvotano58Comment by mvotano58
      October 29, 2013 @ 1:41 pm

      I agree with you. At this point they are beating a dead horse…..so save your energy and come up with an alternative when this thing implodes. I’m so sick of hearing about it that I want to scream.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:09 pm

      Is that dead horse they are beating covered under the ACA?

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 8:56 pm

      It is going to be a great selling point for the Republicans in 2014. Maybe they should just let it fall apart then their election slogan can be “I told you so”.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:38 pm

      Leting it fall apart? Don’t think it can be stopped from happening. The Right simply needs to do nothing niether for nor against it. It will collapse under its own bloated weight.

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  16. peletierComment by peletier
    October 29, 2013 @ 1:50 pm

    After so many false, and misleding promisses… Who knew?

    To this date, America doesn’t know who Obama is, or where he came from… On top of it, he is a compulsive, egocentric liar, and manipulator who does not accept any responsibility, much like a 3 year old child…

    Therefore, how do you folks like Obama’s CHANGE, so far?

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:12 pm

      Let me see if I can bring a bit of light to your confusion. Quite obviously it is Bush’s fault that Obama is “a compulsive, egocentric liar, and manipulator who does not accept any responsibility, much like a 3 year old child…”. Personally I fail to see how it could be otherwise. See how simple it is once it is spelled out.

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  18. wdjincComment by wdjinc
    October 29, 2013 @ 2:35 pm

    Obamacare is another form of redistribution of wealth and more power given to the Federal government. The middle class and above will face much higher premiums with higher deductibles with an increases shortage of doctors to handle the millions of formerly uninsured.

    The government has already shown us how inept they are in running our post office, and they will again with this monster of Obamacare. All health plans now need to support benefits that many of us do not need such as maternity and mental health to be considered as ‘standard’. The blame should also fall on Chief Justice Roberts who turned traitor by providing the deciding vote for this piece of ****.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 2:51 pm

      Can’t disagree more. I think that mental health coverage is quite necessary. Shame is that the liberals still won’t take advantage of it.

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    • jagansComment by jagans
      October 30, 2013 @ 8:46 am

      Why don’t you think that mental health is necessary? Look at how many people on this forum end up talking to themselves, and strangers because nobody listens? I am 67, and I can honestly tell you that when I was young the only add we ever heard of was Geritol, and Carters little liver pills. You now have a different, new and improved pill for stress every week. Why?

      Its not that we aren’t under stress. Its that WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO, NADA, OOGATZ, ZIP faith in our government, and the people that we sent to represent us. Its like we are standing on a train track, and we know the midnight special is bearing down on us but we cant get off the track.

      And I DO NOT CARE whether we have a democrat or a republican in office. although the train seems to be coming a bit faster with a democrat in office.

      The people we sent to Washington have basically ignored the lessons of History, they have ignored our forefathers, and violated the wonderful document that they created under PENALTY OF DEATH to create for us. The US Constitution.

      THE SYSTEM OR FOREFATHERS CREATED WORKS PERFECTLY, BUT THE SCUM WE SENT TO DC TO UPHOLD THAT SYSTEM HAVE SOLD US OUT. THEY ALL NEED TO GO, AND SOME NEED TO BE CHARGED CRIMINALLY IF THIS UNION IS TO SURVIVE.

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  19. peletierComment by peletier
    October 29, 2013 @ 3:01 pm

    Dear jrcrutcher:

    Have read a couple of your comments and obviously, your are either smoking or drinking something, that is altering your mind and perception…

    Layoff the Obama coolaid… it is affecting your brain!

    Good luck and hope you get some help…you really need it.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 3:22 pm

      Neither smoking or drinking anything. Couldn’t afford to even if I wanted to. Just too much free time since my hours were dramatically cut in order for the the company to evade (excuse me, avoid) the aditional expenses of BarryCare. Good thing I am at least a partially disabled vet or I wouldn’t have any healthcare at all at the time. Personally I’d much rather have full use of my shoulder back than I would the VA’s designation of partially disabled veteran. As for Obama’s koolaid, Well that may explain some of your maladies but I have totally abstained from it even when he was running for the senate term he never completed. I haven’t listened to a word he has said and expected any for of honesty ever sinced he threw his preacher under the bus because his views (and by default Obama’s as he spent years soaking in his sermons (complete with hallelujahs and amens)would have kept Bary from getting elected. And rightly so. You’re known by the company you keep and for Barry the Rev Wright’s views pretty much tell us where he stands on a lot of issues. Speaking of the company one keeps, aren’t you at risk of a good taring and feathering for even being on this site? Surely you are violating at least one DNCs commandment by even being here.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:04 pm

      Thanks for your service jr.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 29, 2013 @ 9:29 pm

      Ditto sumitch. But personally I think the young people carrying the torch now have it rougher in a whole lot of ways. Can’t help but be proud of them and try to let them know it every chance I get. A lot of them seem to get R&R to this part of Florida and I’m glad to have them. Good troops.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 30, 2013 @ 7:30 am

      Couldn’t agree more jr. Every year we have a field artillery OCS reunion at Ft. Sill in Oklahoma. There are always several hundred of us that attend. It’s like going home to a huge family of brothers (and now sisters). Two years ago we lost our last veteran of WW I.

      The new young candidates always play host and I’ve found them to be very knowledgeable and always courteous. We always have displays of the new artillery toys (you should see the “triple 7” 155 mm howitzer. I’d love to get the chance to play with it), a fire power demonstration of the equipment including the missiles, seminars and meals (SOS optional). Patriotism is always on display. I envy these fine young warriors even if they don’t have to put up with the harassment and hazing that we did “back in the day”. They claim that they can shoot and calculate as well as or better than we could, but couldn’t make as tight a bed. I wish that I had stayed in but someone said I’d be divorced if I did (should have taken her up on the deal). Getting the chance to talk with high ranking officers, including General Tommy Franks of Iraq fame, gives me hope for our country.

      Folks around here at Geezer Central must think we veterans talk too much about the good old days, but personally I feel it’s the finest thing I ever did. We don’t talk too much about combat but sit around and hot breath and BS about the current state of the country and you can feel the sadness.

      In our old age we somehow feel that we are as dangerous as we once were, knowing personally that it would take a team of mules to get me to jump out of an airplane much less go stomping through the bush with the good chance of a bad guy behind every tree.

      Old fool that I am I still have hope for our country.

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    • jrcrutcherComment by jrcrutcher
      October 30, 2013 @ 11:56 am

      So you were a 13 Oscar sumitch? Glad to meet you brother Redleg. I was a 13E. I just knew that there was something I liked about you. I know what you mean about these new guys not being able to make a taut bunk. Bet they can’t bounce a quarter of of it. Even worse on the boots. They have those suede things now. Personally I used to go through about a can of Kiwi a week just to keep Top off of my a$$ at first formation. When I was at Ft. Benning it wasn’t unusual to have to break starch twice a day just to maintain the status quo. I do, however, disagree with you on SOS being optional. It’s necessary. Can’t nothin’ stick to your ribs like toast smothered with SOS and a couple of over easy eggs lightly swimming on top. Toss that back with a couple of cups of joe and I’m good till noon formation. Ah good times, good times. Wouldn’t trade even the worst second of it for anything in the world. I do miss my FADAC from time to time though. My girl friend at the time was just about convinced that I was an MP because I was forever BCCing (bitchin’, gripin’, and complainin’) about all of the time I spent on police calls. Of course she also thought that a GI party was just like a regular party excepth that civilians weren’t invited. But gone are the dayds when I could stay out until 0100 or so drinking, caroussing, and generally hell raising knowing the full time that first call was at 0430, with a PT formation at 0500 with it’s obligatiory 5 mile jog stripped to trousers, t-shirt and boots. Tese guys now are issued gym clothe, joggig suits and running shoes. Nostalgia is starting to get to me and I’m just going to have to spend a good part of the rest of the afternoon trying to look up old buddies on FB.

      Take care Redleg.
      jrcrutcher

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    • 440voltComment by 440volt
      October 30, 2013 @ 3:37 pm

      jrcrutcher, you have dredged up a lot of old memories. I OJT’d as 13B @ Ft. Lewis, got bored with that in a hurry and OJT’d as 13E. Was designated 13E as a secondary MOS, then went to Korea and tested to make 13E my primary MOS. Decided to raise a family as opposed to Army life and got out after that in June 1976. Looking back, I almost wish I would have stayed for 20.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 30, 2013 @ 3:59 pm

      Seems to be a few cannon cockers in here today. Good company to be with the King of Battle.

      I got the MOS to be a field artillery battery commander but in our 21st week they announced that ADA was splitting off from Field Artillery and that they had just moved all the missiles out of Nam. They said they needed junior officers so my entire battery trampled each other stepping forward. Then to Ft. Bliss (what a misnomer) and got the MOS to be a missile battery commander. So what did they do? They sent us off to Nam unassigned where we could be picked off by any unit there. I got involved with the company thinking it would be like a James Bond movie. Because I’d been trained on FADAC I was sent to Se Dec in the Delta Area at OP 60-10 to work the Phoenix Program, just in time for TET II to break out which I still think was an over reaction to me arriving. I know for certain positive that we were never in Cambodia because I saw the sign at the border that said “Welcome to Cambodia” as we passed in, just at the same time that Nixon said we weren’t there, so I guess we were lost. I can also assure you that Kerry is a lying dog about being in Cambodia during Christmas. I’ve waded the river he would have had to use to get there in his swift boat and unless a swift boat draws less than a 3′ water line (Se Dec was his southern most pork), he could never have been able to do it. Still, I loved the job(s), the respect (except for here in the United States at the time), the discipline and the love for my buddies that only a VET can understand and being in and active. I too should have stayed in if for no other reason than to get a shot at full bull.

      Ah my wasted youth.

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  20. bigjohn555Comment by bigjohn555
    October 29, 2013 @ 4:56 pm

    Please, Mr. Obama, keep your feet off our good furniture.

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  21. jagansComment by jagans
    October 29, 2013 @ 5:29 pm

    Major US Corporations are now dropping spousal health care. UPS just dropped that care for their white collar workers. I guarantee that there will be a landslide very soon, because large companies generally care more about their bottom line than they do their people. Apparently they did not consider the fact that their employees may have decided to stay with them because of the benefits they provide.

    Any way you look at this, the middle class (If that’s what it is still called) is going to have less disposable income come Christmas time, and the economy is going to take a nose dive, as retailers realize much lower profits I wonder if Obama even thinks this deep about anything.

    The ONLY people to benefit from this are going to be the people who live off the government already.

    The free enterprise system works fine if you leave it alone, but this administration may have killed the goose that lays the golden eggs for good this time.

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  22. jagansComment by jagans
    October 29, 2013 @ 5:51 pm

    I have to say that I find it incredible that someone would actually pick apart the statement “If you like your current insurance policy you can keep it” or “If you like your current doctor you can keep him/her” and try to nullify the statement by saying that the insurance policy might not be available any more. This is exactly what I mean about insurance companies, and lawyers. They can turn anything they say inside out or change the inferred meaning and they think it is perfectly OK. This is the kind of **** that makes people go postal, then afterward everybody stands around with their thumbs up their axes wondering what happened.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 30, 2013 @ 8:02 am

      Don’t forget to add most politicians to the list of insurance companies and lawyers.

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  23. gonefishinComment by gonefishin
    October 29, 2013 @ 6:07 pm

    We been buying our own health insurance for 11 years, same company cuz son has pre existing condition so couldn’t change. We could keep our same ****** policy that has huge deductible or change to obamacare. We checked out obamacare plans and got one that is way better than what we had and costs almost half as much. I new we were being ripped off by insurance company, they didn’t even pay one dime, but now I know it was worse than I thought.

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    • jagansComment by jagans
      October 29, 2013 @ 6:16 pm

      So you are happy with the ACA.

      Do you and your spouse work a regular 40 hour work week in the private sector?

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    • pwpmmpComment by pwpmmp
      October 29, 2013 @ 7:09 pm

      I hope it works out for you, gonefishin, but I would be very cautiously optimistic if I were you. I trust nothing about Obamacare because the real purpose of this has little to do with healthcare. Have insurance companies been a necessary evil for all of us? Of course, no one contradicts that. But remember, these same insurance companies are now in bed with the federal government under a completely liberal (socialist) agenda. What was bad before will be unchained horror down the road. Do you really think the marriage between government and these same companies are going to be an improvement? It’s like saying, “You poor baby, strychnine has been so bad for you. Guess what, we are going to add arsenic to it and that will make it better.”

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    • gonefishinComment by gonefishin
      October 30, 2013 @ 9:19 am

      I like the lower premium and its still a PPO like we had. Different insurance company glad to get rid of Unitedhealthcare. It will be good to have a yearly check up and stuff finally covered but not excited for the colonoscopy I should get even if its covered too.

      We both work and have been for more than 30 years. I work 50 hours a week and my wife works part time. Both private not govt.

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    • pwpmmpComment by pwpmmp
      October 30, 2013 @ 10:04 am

      I wish you only the best, gonefishin, and hope you are one of the lucky ones. God bless you.

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  24. oldsargeComment by oldsarge
    October 29, 2013 @ 9:55 pm

    In my neighborhood quite a few have received letters from their insurance that they are being dropped or will have to pay considerably more. The Obama and Democrat supporters are still in denial. Even when you show them the video of the lie about being able to keep your coverage and doctors, they claim that the videos were doctored up by FOX. We also have many retired seniors. In 2008 and 2012 they proudly displayed their Obama and Democrat signs on their front lawns and stickers on their cars. I tried to tell them what was in store for them after the election and they called me a racist. They insisted that he and their precious Democrats would never do the things people were saying about them. Now many of them have been informed by their Doctors that they are being dropped as patients and are advised to seek another health care provider. They are devastated by the news. You would think that they would finally see the light. Not in this lifetime. They all insist that Obama is the greatest President we ever had and probably ever will have. They are still drinking the liberal Kool-Aid and blaming the greed of the doctors, Republicans and Bush. In the end they will vote themselves right into another Holocaust and take all of us with them.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      October 30, 2013 @ 7:48 am

      I get a lot of the same thing oldsarge. I’ve broken up all contact with my sister who proudly identifies herself as a liberal democrat. She is always spouting the party lie how it’s all the fault of Republicans because they won’t write a blank check for Obama, how it’s still Bush’s fault and that Fox News is lying no matter what evidence she is shown. To quote Christy, “It’s like talking to a table”.

      My last comment to her was “So you don’t mind having a lying SOB for President”. She screamed “Why don’t you give him a chance” and slammed the phone down.

      Do you think that the liberal Obama koolaid has something in it that rots the brain?

      Side bar. Maybe it’s just my magic machine, but is anyone sick and tired of having to listen to the clip of Obama every time you log in that they’ve stuck in? Good grief, don’t we hear more than enough of him without being tortured when you log in here?

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  25. whatnowComment by whatnow
    October 29, 2013 @ 10:17 pm

    Pay over 2100/mo for self and spouse, PPO with IBX. Notified my plan is “transitioning” and must choose new one by 12/15. Perfectly content with existing plan. Attempted to learn about specifics about new offerings from IBX (IndependenceBlueCross) and couldn’t from their site or by phone. Furthermore, found out University of Pennsylvania Hospital, Cardiologists of Philadelphia and my GP’s practice under Penn Medicine umbrella were unavailable/excluded from the offered plans when I queried IBX’s site (hopefully it’s not working correctly and will be fixed). As this rolls out more and more will come to light. But here is my question: other than hectoring my representatives, how do I and 16 million others fight fire with fire? How can one resist this obvious infringement on personal freedom while protecting a lifetime of labor’s fruits? Where are the true American leaders? I have been directly lied to by the president of the United States of America. Sure, politicians parce language but this is not the case. How can I face my grandchildren and tell them I did nothing? I’m willing to listen to real leaders at this time in our country’s history. I’m tired of friends and colleagues shaking their heads all the while speaking in hushed tones for fear of retribution. The Manchurian Candidate and his ilk have gone too far. They do their damage all the while staying two steps ahead of the courts. Is America’s word no longer its bond? How many scandals can a country handle? I think it is time for all families of first responders and our military to have a frank discussion with them regarding the US Constitution and how it is being subverted. Our founders had it right that the Republic would survive as long as it believed in God and its leaders acted accordingly. Today’s false prophets need to be called for what they are, evil. Let’s all return to Maximum Liberty, Maximum Personal Responsibility, Maximum Personal Accountability. As a member of the “me” generation I personally apologize to all who have served their country honorably. This is not what you fought to protect.

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    • whatnowComment by whatnow
      October 30, 2013 @ 8:09 am

      whatnow?

      complaints,complaints, they make me weary / of this administration i’m more than leery / the king and his court wear no clothes / tis not the course the founders chose / beggarman, scoundrel, liar, cheat / your moat won’t save you from defeat / patriots all now band together / to save the country from marxist weather / our army forms, are ranks are closed / we’ll not rest till your ilk’s deposed / and about the foot on our nation’s desk / shame on you, you national pesk

      So I ask, what now?

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