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Cruz takes heat from pro-immigration Democrats

By El Paso Times (TX)

AUSTIN - A border congressman last week said that Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's demands for "100 percent operational" control of the border are expensive and unrealistic.

The congressman said that if Cruz had an office somewhere along Texas' 1,200-mile southern border, he'd understand the issues along it better.

"I think you need to have a listening post in a place like El Paso, which has been deemed the safest city in the United States for two or three years in a row," said Rep. Pete Gallego, a Democrat whose massive 23rd Congressional district comprises a third of the entire U.S.-Mexico border.

In recent public statements, Cruz has been claiming that he wants to stake out a middle ground on immigration reform, giving those who want to work in the United States a legal way to do so without giving a path to citizenship to those who are here illegally.

But in a June speech to the Senate, Cruz said he would not support any reform bill until the United States established "100 percent operational control" of its border with Mexico.

A few weeks earlier, he voted to block debate of an immigration bill hashed out by the bipartisan "Gang of Eight."

"The insecurity of our borders is causing human tragedies in our country, many, many of which are occurring in my home state

of Texas," Cruz told the Senate on June 22. "Central to any debate over immigration is the need to secure our borders."

Cruz later added, "Right now, our borders are anything but secure."

Cruz proposed to secure the border by tripling the size of the border patrol and quadrupling the number of helicopters and cameras on the border and completing a double-layered border fence.

But he and his staff

didn't respond to written questions last week asking how much that would cost, what "operational control" means or how it would be measured.

"Nobody knows what that means -- and you never get 100 percent of anything," Gallego said.

Hopes were high for a comprehensive immigration-reform bill last year after the drubbing Hispanic voters gave the GOP.

But opposition from conservatives such as Cruz slowed progress. Now the effort seems likely to die as debate about Syria, funding the government and implementation of the Affordable Care Act are poised to absorb Congress' attention this fall.

In the spring, Gallego was optimistic about the chances for immigration reform.

"Now I'm a little disheartened," he said. "I wish it was public-policy related, but I really think it's about politics."

When Cruz made his speech to the Senate on June 22, he said his opposition to passing a reform bill without ending illegal immigration was about life and death.

President Ronald Reagan helped pass a bill in 1986 that gave amnesty to the 3 million who were then in the country illegally, Cruz said. Despite promises to enhance border security, the number has since swelled to 11 million, he said.

"Which comes first, legalization or border security?" he asked, later adding, "That is the No. 1 issue -- border security."

Cruz pointed to Brooks County, just north of the Valley cities of McAllen, Harlingen and Edinburg, as an example of the importance of border security.

Last year, the bodies of 129 undocumented people -- many from Central America -- were found on remote ranches about 65 to 70 miles north of the border, Chief Deputy Sheriff Benny Martinez said in a phone interview last week from the Brooks County seat in Falfurrias.

Brooks County Judge Raul Ramirez said people are being smuggled across the border by coyotes and then die as they try to make their way north around the Border Patrol checkpoint on U.S. 281.

"The whole concept is to get past the checkpoint," Ramirez said.

The problem in Brooks County isn't just humanitarian, it's also fiscal.

It cost $200,000 to bury those who died in the rugged ranchlands.

That blew a big hole in the already-overstretched budget of a county that has just 7,200 residents, Ramirez said.

Martinez, the sheriff's deputy, is trying to get the word out about his county's plight and that of those who try to sneak through it.

"I'm frustrated," he said. "These dead bodies are happening right here on U.S. soil."

But while Martinez agrees with Cruz that increased security on the border will help, he said that has to be accompanied by other measures.

"Will the border be 100 percent secure? No," he said. "In the meantime, there will be more dead bodies."

Martinez said increased security should be accompanied by a system making it possible for people wanting to come to the United States for work to do so legally.

There's an important distinction between that and Cruz's June 22 proposal -- to delay all reforms until there is "100 percent operational control" of the border.

"I would hate for all these dead bodies, all these rape cases, to become collateral damage," Martinez said. "When we say they came in illegally, they're just criminalized."

Gallego said Texas needs their labor.

The booming Eagle Ford Shale region -- a formation of gas and oil deposits sweeping from north of Laredo to east of Austin -- has a well-known shortage of workers.

Gallego, who comes from a family of restaurateurs, said, "This is the perfect time to open a 24-hour restaurant there. The problem is, somebody has to wash the dishes."

In the absence of an immigration-reform law, people will continue to have an incentive to cross and work illegally, Gallego said.

That's a fact that Cruz might understand better if he had an office along the border, Gallego said.

Among the questions Cruz didn't answer last week was one asking why he has an office in Tyler but not El Paso, a border city that's more than seven times as big.

In Cruz's Senate speech, he claimed a special expertise about the border because he represents Texas.

"It is interesting seeing senators who represent states very, very far from the border standing up with complete confidence saying what we need to do to secure our border," Cruz said.

Gallego, who also represented a big stretch of the border during his 20 years in the Texas House, said Cruz also could benefit from being closer to the border.

"I think there is a disconnect between those of us who have a presence on the border every day and those of us who parachute in for a day or two," Gallego said.

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  1. skepticComment by skeptic
    September 16, 2013 @ 1:03 pm

    Wars all over the world up to and including WW III are cheap. Right? Well, at least they are very realistic.

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  2. drsiqueComment by drsique
    September 16, 2013 @ 1:26 pm

    Operational control of our borders will never be established until there is interior enforcement of our immigration and employment laws. No amount of BP Agents could stop the million plus foreign nationals breaking into the country, every year. Even the ones that are apprehended, and sent back to Mexico, come back the very next day. So, they have only been delayed. IMHO, the lack of enforcement is merely the political elitists attempting to impose the North American Union upon “We the People”. They know that Americans won’t have it, so they push it through the backdoor.

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    • jmfayComment by jmfay
      September 16, 2013 @ 10:00 pm

      We hope you are also including the entry and exit visa that Congress has still not put in place. The 911 commission recommended one for all countries and for all people coming into this country. Why is there no talk on this and how its going to be funded?

      Until this is in place; we have no idea who is coming in; who has left and who has decided to overstay their visa. This also helps with who is working here and not supposed to be.

      Controlling the borders must be a joint effort with federal and local law enforcement too. That means we cant allow santuary cities or states either.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 16, 2013 @ 10:32 pm

      You don’t suppose the reason is because our top politicos want the votes legal or not so they can stay in office and they all have armed body guards and we don’t do you?

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    • jmfayComment by jmfay
      September 16, 2013 @ 10:38 pm

      We have 2 Democrats for US Senators; both do nothing and a Republican for Congress who talks alot but also does not much though he is trying for the new VA hospital near our district as he sits on the Armed Forces Committee.

      We are an equal opportunity basher if you dont want to work and you have a cushy job!

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  3. pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
    September 16, 2013 @ 1:40 pm

    Instead of burying the bodies, dump them back across the border. Rotting corpses at the border might discourage future trespassers.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 16, 2013 @ 4:02 pm

      I like the way you think. And it would save burial costs.

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    • cxComment by genesal
      September 16, 2013 @ 4:04 pm

      ” “, I censored myself!

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    • gopluvaComment by gopluva
      September 16, 2013 @ 9:10 pm

      He says Texas needs the labor. Well hire legal people.Dont let a bunch of criminals in to work. Besides 4 yrs ago building came almost to a stand still because of the economy in Tx. How is it now?

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 16, 2013 @ 10:34 pm

      Better than Illinois.

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  4. rosechComment by rosech
    September 16, 2013 @ 2:52 pm

    Taking even one human life on OUR side of the border is more expensive than protecting/closing the border against the drug cartels running rampant on OUR soil and illegals with no desire to be citizens, just take our tax money and live royally. Pro-immigration Demos, RINOS and liberals always complain about important things to be done and then spend the money on stupid things such as failing solar companies, supporting the Obamas’ many expensive vacations and flying the dog separately, and so on but that is not expensive? We need to close the border and removing cartels on OUR soil, deport illegals and their families ripping our country off, and permanently fix the border against entry and fire on anyone who attempts to cross it! Defund Obamacare which will spend our money on the illegals and will be much more expensive than truly closing the border between America and that country that is even more corrupt than Obama and friends! Lived there so been there, done that and have no empathy for illegals nor the cartels!

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 16, 2013 @ 4:08 pm

      Void the anchor babies BS. The 14th amendment was not written to give Mexicans a free trip to citizenship in our country.

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  5. VoiceOfReasonComment by VoiceOfReason
    September 16, 2013 @ 2:55 pm

    It costs a hell of a lot more to provide welfare, food stamps/EBT cards, free medical care and K-12 education for the illegals and their offspring than it would to control the border–but we must realize that the Democrats won’t allow that to happen because they want the illegals on their plantation!

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 16, 2013 @ 4:06 pm

      Plus the crime of all types, starting with the crime of crossing our borders illegally.

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  6. 53shbearnettComment by 53shbearnett
    September 16, 2013 @ 3:08 pm

    And leaving it open is a less-expensive option how?? Perhaps Cruz’ 100% is too much to ask, but how can Mexico get away with much stricter control and stiffer penalties for illegal entry and we cannot? We need to start somewhere — at the very least implement what has already been passed! And as to the accusation that Cruz’s stance is “political,” the whole democrat (lower-case “d” intentional) party is about the political manipulation and control of people who elect them into office — the more illegals slipping over the border, the more voters, especially with the “voter assistance programs” supported by our dear leader and company. Now that my state (CA) has legalized driver’s licenses for illegals (oxymoron!), what’s to stop them from voting?

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  7. spiritof76patriotComment by spiritof76patriot
    September 16, 2013 @ 3:19 pm

    I’m gonna’ call BS on Rep. Pete Gallego. We’re spending literally billions on foreign aid and military adverturism all over the world and we can’t protect our own borders? Again, BS! Between the Dumbocrats wanting more give-me-a-handout voters and the Republicons wanting cheap look-the-other-way labor, it’s not a matter of can’t but won’t.

    The solution is really simple. We need people in Washington who’ll enforce existing laws. It’s a two-step process…

    1) Put troops on the border in sufficient density to stop any and all potential invaders, Mexican, Al Qaeda, Brazilian…I don’t give a rat’s patootie. If they aren’t crossing at an established border crossing (like we would have to do going the other direction) and don’t have the right papers, turn their donkies around and send them back to whereever they came from. Just think how many fewer bodies we’d have to bury!

    2) On this side of the border, fine/imprison employers who hire undocumented workers. After a few hundred big shots end up paying the price, other employers will start looking for and hiring workers with the right papers…and if necessary paying more to get them, thus taking care of the current debate about the minimum wage.

    Like I said, it’s really just that simple…if only the majority of our elected idiots in Washington (including especially President Odumber) weren’t doing everything possible to sabotage enforcement of our existing laws!

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 16, 2013 @ 4:12 pm

      Serving a month or so in jail without bail for first offences might show them the error of their ways. A couple of years in prison with Buba for a cell mate for a second offence might get the message through their thick heads.

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  8. sacheveraljames42Comment by sacheveraljames42
    September 16, 2013 @ 4:21 pm

    I guarantee you the ElPaso Times is not a conservative newspaper. They, like the majority of left wing rags in this country are trying to undercut Sen. Cruz who is trying to stem the tide of illegals and protect American citizens. If we cannot control our own borders and be secure in the knowledge that only those individuals who have applied and been accepted on a permanent or temporary work basis are here, than all the money and treasure we are spending around the world is for naught. We are already a nation being over run by illegals and an administration with the assistance of lily livered politicians willing to sell our sovereignty away for a peso without concern for the future. I’m with Sen Cruz. Shut it down, NOW!

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    • grantjr67Comment by grantjr67
      September 16, 2013 @ 5:12 pm

      40% of all illegals are here because the overstayed their visit on legal visas. So how is 100% border control going to solve things?

      Better work visas, better temp worker laws, better roads to becoming a citizen. Go back to the 1850s to 1950s when we welcomed immigrants unlike today where there is little and racism abounds.

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    • sacheveraljames42Comment by sacheveraljames42
      September 16, 2013 @ 7:52 pm

      Because technology today is a 1000% better at tracking those that over stay there visas. And it’s better to plug the hole in a sinking boat than to watch the water come in and sink it. Both my parents were immigrants and there was an orderly and systematic process in order to enter the country. Most immigrants came from across the oceans and control was easier. Now we have an invasion from a supposedly friendly country that encourages lawlessness without repercussions. All for the sake of politicians pandering for votes. And if racism abounds my friend, why would they cross legal or illegal?

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 16, 2013 @ 10:41 pm

      There’s a standard cop out to justify the resistance to illegal aliens here. We don’t want illegal aliens because we’re racists. Case closed, end of story.

      It couldn’t be the $50,000/year that it costs for each one, the jobs that true citizens don’t have available because of the under the table cash wages they are paid or the filled jails and prisons.

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  11. gimmesometruthComment by gimmesometruth
    September 16, 2013 @ 5:54 pm

    The real tragedy with illegal immigration is the fact that Corporate Colonialists like United Brands pays these ‘slave labor’ wages to locals who can’t afford the cost of living expenses because these Corporate Colonialists also own the fuel, food, and shelter. And we American ‘dummies’ pay for their Corporate Colonialist Tax Subsidies. Time to sharpen the pitchforks.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 17, 2013 @ 7:03 pm

      Sounds like the old “country store” set up to cheat people out of the money they make by honest labor.

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  13. gopuc12450Comment by gopuc12450
    September 16, 2013 @ 6:36 pm

    Cruz will have a problem with ANY Liberal Democrat – that is why he has my support!

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 16, 2013 @ 10:46 pm

      He has mine too for the same reason plus because he gave Feinstein a ration of s**t.

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  14. rzraickComment by rzraick
    September 16, 2013 @ 8:23 pm

    We must value our nation. Immigration is a very straight forward thing in every country I have traveled to all over the world.

    I do accept that our really expansive borders present some real problems, but it is the lack of enforcement of our laws which is at the heart of the problem.

    I fear this may however become a moot point the way things are going.

    Because of the debt and the corrupt banks, and the spending addiction the government has, soon things will be so tough that people will want to leave the U.S. rather than come here.

    No jobs. Poverty everywhere. We may need our borders secured to prevent Americans from leaving.

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  16. hkazComment by hkaz
    September 17, 2013 @ 1:43 am

    100% is very possible and quite simple.

    Bring back all of our military personel and equipment from every foreign country in the world and put them on our border. People, forts, prisons camps, cannons, tanks, apcs, helicopters, drones, etc.

    Build a fence just like the one described in the 2006 Secure Fence act (the same one Israel built 900 miles of in 18 months) from the Gulf to the Pacific. Put the Army corps and the SeeBees on the job.

    Get American Express, Visa, or Mastercard to set up a visa program. Collect photographs, fingerprints, and DNA from everyone that enters the country on a visa. If they don’t leave when they are supposed to, put them in prison immediately for a year and then deport them. It they worked illegally or stole medical care, schooling, or welfare make it five years. If they committed a crime they get ten years on top what ever a citizen would get.

    That would take care of it. You can’t have open borders with a welfare society. You will go broke because there will always be more takers than givers.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 17, 2013 @ 6:46 pm

      I’ll bet we could just use our National Guard units and in lieu of their summer camps (if there are still some National Guard units that haven’t been activated), rotate them and the problem would be solved. I don’t dislike Mexicans per se but I guess I come across that way. Actually they are some of the hardest working, gentle, most family oriented folks I know (those that I know). I just object to the illegal entry into our country and the cost to us. It doesn’t make any difference to me what race, color or creed a person is. Punks are punks no matter what flavor they come in.

      I understand that it takes a long time to become a legal citizen of our country but that seems right to me. My dear old dad used to tell me that anything worth having was worth working for. Funny how much smarter he was the older I get. I’d be fine if the foreigners would serve honorably in our military for four years to earn their citizenship.

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  17. KBBComment by KBB
    September 17, 2013 @ 4:42 pm

    First, let’s start with the fact that he’s a Democrat, so he’s likely lying. Next, I doubt if 100% operational control of the border would be more expensive than what it costs for us to support millions of illegals.

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  18. FreeDameComment by FreeDame
    September 19, 2013 @ 7:18 pm

    If you seriously want to secure the border, talk to the border sheriffs who live and work there every day. They have answers, but nobody in Washington is listening.

    I’m not sure how calling illegal invaders (incorrectly called illegal aliens) what they are – criminals – somehow constitutes uncivil debate. Also, I don’t see where the phrases “rotting corpses” or “fences of dead bodies” are hateful comments. It sounds more like calling a spade a spade, to me. You’ll never find a solution if you can’t face the ugly facts.

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    • sumitchComment by sumitch
      September 19, 2013 @ 7:51 pm

      How about tagging them “Criminal illegal alien invaders”?

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    • hkazComment by hkaz
      September 19, 2013 @ 8:06 pm

      I like to call them ‘Foreign invaders”. They are foreigners and they are invading our country.

      The come here to take jobs and benefits that they have no right to. They come here to steal and cheat us personally and our system.

      It should be a no-brainer to use the military to stoop the invasion.

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  19. gonefishinComment by gonefishin
    September 16, 2013 @ 3:01 pm

    You do know 83% of Mexicans are Catholic.

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  20. sumitchComment by sumitch
    September 16, 2013 @ 4:03 pm

    So what?

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  21. gonefishinComment by gonefishin
    September 16, 2013 @ 4:38 pm

    So what? A fence out of dead bodies? Sounds like something a jihadist would say. They are humans and God’s children.

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  22. sumitchComment by sumitch
    September 16, 2013 @ 10:53 pm

    I said “so what” because being Catholic has nothing to do with them getting a pass for being illegal aliens. I said nothing about a fence of dead bodies. How that makes me a jihadist escapes me. Please explain.

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  23. gonefishinComment by gonefishin
    September 17, 2013 @ 6:28 am

    The comment about building a fence of dead bodies has been deleted and you know it. Catholic is Christian. Some of the comments on this site don’t seem very Christian.

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  24. gopuc12450Comment by gopuc12450
    September 17, 2013 @ 6:50 am

    So, gonefishing.
    When did the White Smoke emit from the Chimney, and declare you Pope?

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  25. sumitchComment by sumitch
    September 17, 2013 @ 11:19 am

    Deleted or not, I still made no reference to it. Plus, I’ll be the authority on what I know, not you.

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  26. sumitchComment by sumitch
    September 17, 2013 @ 11:24 am

    You’re real good at ignoring the subject and questions asked you. This is not about Christians it’s about immigration. Or are people that are against illegal immigration non Christians in your mind?

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  27. gonefishinComment by gonefishin
    September 17, 2013 @ 7:48 am

    Just like those 129 souls you didn’t get to choose where you were born. I’m just a practicing Christian. We can debate without hate.

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  28. sumitchComment by sumitch
    September 17, 2013 @ 4:29 pm

    :-)

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  29. sumitchComment by sumitch
    September 17, 2013 @ 11:32 am

    This is still about illegal immigration no matter how hard you try to ignore it. No one’s expressing hatred for you unless you think that not agreeing with you and not buying into your comments that have nothing to do with the subject is an expression of hatred. You talking about without hate seems strange since you are the one that called people jihadists.

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  30. gonefishinComment by gonefishin
    September 17, 2013 @ 12:00 pm

    Twist away dear sumitch. I did not accuse you of being a jihadist even if it was you who made the “build a fence out of dead bodies” comment. I merely stated comments like that sound like what a jihadist would say. If it wasn’t hateful, why was it deleted? The hate I see here is towards the illegals who don’t deserve to be treated like “rotting corpses”. As a Catholic, Jesus taught me to love one another. We can work on immigration without resorting to hate. At least some of us can.

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  31. sumitchComment by sumitch
    September 17, 2013 @ 1:18 pm

    Maybe you should ask the monitors of this blog why the comment was made. I didn’t notice it until you brought it up.

    You really need to take your Catholic references and try to stick to the subject, which you seem to be oblivious to. I could care less that you are Catholic or most any other religion and it has nothing to do with anything I’ve said except for “So What” when you brought it into the conversation out of the clear blue sky. No one had made an issue of anyone’s religion but you. I’m Episcopalian‎ and that doesn’t mean anything to this blog either.

    Are you just incapable of sticking to the articles issue? You keep making references to hate which again is something that only you have brought into the conversation.

    Are you on some kind of witnessing campaign? Let it go.

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  32. sumitchComment by sumitch
    September 17, 2013 @ 6:51 pm

    I didn’t say you called me a jihadist. Twist away yourself O enlightened one.

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  33. gonefishinComment by gonefishin
    September 17, 2013 @ 2:20 pm

    My hero Perot warned us 2 decades ago NAFTA was bad for immigration. Let’s talk about how big business benefits from illegal immigration. Let’s discuss work visas. You lessen your argument when you stoop to demeaning the “others”, be it the illegals, the leftists or anyone who disagrees with you. I’m not seeing much civil debate goin on here, just another echo chamber. Since you don’t seem to think “rotting corpses” or “fences of dead bodies” are hateful comments, you’re right, guess it’s time to let the GOP go. Sure doesn’t feel like my party anymore. Fish are bitin anyway. God bless.

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  34. sumitchComment by sumitch
    September 17, 2013 @ 4:41 pm

    Aw, now you’ve gone and hurt my feelings. Just show me where anything I’ve said demeans anyone except illegal aliens which are law breakers like it or not. If that demeans anyone it’s them who are demeaning themselves by being the criminals and for many the crimes they commit when they get here.

    To quote Christy, “Talking to you is like talking to a table”.

    So take your marbles and go home. That’ll teach the GOP.

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