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California lawmakers approve driver's licenses for illegal aliens

By Sacramento Bee (CA)

In the waning hours of the 2013 legislative session, the Assembly on Thursday sent Gov. Jerry Brown a bill allowing undocumented immigrants to receive driver's licenses.

The surprise 55-19 vote moved California a signature away from putting into law a measure that immigrant advocates have sought fruitlessly for years, with past attempts thwarted by legislative vote and gubernatorial veto.

"This is a moment, members," sponsor Assemblyman Luis Alejo, D-Watsonville, said in closing remarks on the Assembly floor, "that years from now you're going to look back on."

In a statement released shortly after the vote, Brown signaled he will sign the bill.

"This bill will enable millions of people to get to work safely and legally," Brown said in the statement. "Hopefully, it will send a message to Washington that immigration reform is long past due."

Earlier Thursday, the state Senate resuscitated the left-for-dead bill on a 28-8 vote and returned it to the Assembly, marking an apparent reversal: Alejo had said Wednesday that he would defer action on the measure until January.

But amid a late push from proponents -- including members of the California Latino Legislative Caucus and Gil Cedillo, a Los Angeles City Council member and former state lawmaker who perennially carried bills to offer undocumented immigrants driver's licenses -- legislators pushed Assembly Bill 60 across the finish line.

By extending licenses to undocumented immigrants, Alejo said, California would open a legal umbrella for everyone on the road to prevent situations in which immigrants face arrest, heavy fines and car impoundment when they are pulled over.

Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, said late amendments to the bill included a recognizable feature on the front and back of the license to satisfy federal requirements -- as well as various provisions to guard against discrimination. Some supporters said it was unfortunate that the licenses would need special markings, but said the tradeoff was worth it.

A staff analysis of the bill suggested that undocumented immigrants could apply for a driver's license as long as they could provide some form of identification approved by the Department of Motor Vehicles.

"This measure will ensure that all drivers on California highways are properly trained, properly licensed and properly insured," de Leon said, adding that 10 other states allow undocumented immigrants to apply for driver's licenses. "We are actually quite behind."

He said the measure would make California roads safer, improve national security and allow immigrants to fully contribute to the state economy.

Sen. Anthony Cannella, R-Ceres, also said it was important that drivers are trained and insured.

"Not only is it the right thing to do, but our economy will benefit," he said.

Some critics of the bill have argued that issuing licenses to undocumented immigrants would not make them safer drivers and would not guarantee that they get insurance. Others continued to contend that distinguishing marks on driver's licenses unfairly single out people and could help spur deportations.

While most Republican senators voted against the measure, none spoke on the floor.

In the Assembly, opponents said privacy protections embedded in the bill -- including language prohibiting employment and housing discrimination based on the new licenses -- represented a step too far.

"As an employer, if they produce this driver's license what am I supposed to do?" asked Assemblyman Curt Hagman, R-Chino Hills.

Since 2000, Democratic lawmakers have been trying to restore the ability of undocumented immigrants to drive legally after it was outlawed in 1993.

In 2003, then-Gov. Gray Davis signed a driver's license bill, but it was repealed before it could take effect after Davis was ousted by recall. Several attempts cleared the Legislature but were vetoed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Proponents said the current measure would go far to helping 2 million unlicensed drivers in California, many of whom need transportation to and from work.

Cedillo said undocumented immigrants have continued to drive because they must.

"We have the historic opportunity to end this situation by providing immigrants with legal and safe means to get to work, take their kids to school, and to visit places of worship," he said.

In other developments, lawmakers:

--Overwhelmingly recommended naming a stretch of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge for former Assembly Speaker and San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown.

The nonbinding resolution to rebrand the western span of the bridge, which does not require the governor's signature, faced stern opposition from three former San Francisco supervisors. They noted it violated several legislative rules, among them that the subject must be deceased.

Willie Brown, once known as the "Ayatollah of the Assembly," is very much alive.

Critics also objected because the lawmaker carrying the resolution, Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Compton, does not represent the district housing the facility in question.

Still, Hall's proposal received strong support from the Legislature. The Senate passed the resolution 26-7 Thursday after the Assembly voted 68-0.

The resolution touted Willie Brown's contributions to area transportation, affordable housing and higher education, saying he "is widely regarded as one of the most influential politicians of the late 20th century, and has been at the center of California politics, government and civic life for an astonishing four decades."

Sen. Rod Wright, D-Inglewood, compared Willie Brown to the likes of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and Ervin "Magic" Johnson.

"Every time you cross that bridge going from Oakland or to San Francisco, either way, and you look at a little sign that will say 'Willie L. Brown Jr.,' I hope that you'll think about a kid who came here with nothing but a pillowcase with stuff in it," Wright said.

"He shined shoes. He put himself through college with no money. He put himself through law school with much less than that. (He) became an Assembly member in a district where the African American population was less than 10 percent. (He) became mayor of a town where the African American population was about 10 percent. Every place Willie went he made it better."

Whether the governor and his administration will follow the Legislature's recommendation is a separate question. Earlier in the week, he said through a spokesman that he opposed renaming the bridge for Willie Brown because "the iconic Bay Bridge should keep the name it has had for nearly 77 years, a name that lives in the hearts and minds of all Californians."

The governor buoyed the effort to raise California's minimum wage by announcing on Wednesday that he would support Assembly Bill 10, which would raise the wage from the current $8 an hour to $10 an hour by 2016. After a debate in which supporters frequently invoked a widening national gulf between rich and poor, the Assembly approved the bill on a 51-25 vote.

--Shelved a bill that sought to revoke the Boy Scouts of America's tax-exempt status because of the organization's long-held policy not to permit the participation of openly gay adults.

The measure, Senate Bill 323 by Sen. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, called for stripping the nonprofit status of youth groups that discriminate against participants on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identification.

The bill had moved through the Legislature even as the Boy Scouts lifted the ban on gay youth participation.

--Approved a bill that converts the state's job application policy regarding felony conviction questions into a law that applies to local government agencies.

Assembly Bill 218, authored by Assemblyman Roger Dickinson, D-Sacramento, now goes to Brown for his signature or veto. The bill is part of a growing movement called "ban the box" that seeks to eliminate the check-box criminal background question commonly found on sector-job applications.

--Sent a bill to the governor that would allow in-home nannies and caregivers to receive overtime pay for working more than nine hours a day or 45 hours a week.

A watered-down version of San Francisco Assemblyman Tom Ammiano's so-called "Domestic Worker Bill of Rights" cleared its final legislative hurdle Thursday following a 52-25 vote along party lines in the Assembly.

Recent amendments to Assembly Bill 241 narrowed the bill to exclude meal and rest-break provisions, exempted occasional babysitters from overtime requirements, called for a review commission to evaluate the bill's impact and added a three-year sunset provision.

--Approved a union-backed teacher discipline bill despite concerns from school districts, the California School Boards Association and the Association of California School Administrators that it falls short of improving the current process.

Democratic Assemblywoman Joan Buchanan of Alamo said the legislation she authored -- Assembly Bill 375 -- will streamline due process and save schools time and money.

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  1. gopuc12450Comment by gopuc12450
    September 13, 2013 @ 7:47 am

    Thanks to the Liberals, they’re IN!

    Amnesty, in full bloom.

    DO NOT FORGET

    VOTE-VOTE-VOTE!

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    • syebComment by syeb
      September 13, 2013 @ 8:47 am

      I would love to VOTE-VOTE-VOTE but only liberals get to vote three times. We conservatives unfortunately can only vote once per election.

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    • mjz4043Comment by mjz4043
      September 13, 2013 @ 10:51 am

      Just when you think the looney-toons in California have gone totally over the edge with their co-ed bathrooms in schools, they prove your right again. These people should just give the damned state to Mexico and be done with it. If the illegals are doing to it what they are doing to south Texas, the place will soon be so trashy and run-down we should just push it into the Pacific. I grew up in California and hated like everything when I had to leave it, but now I am endlessly thankful. As bad as the illegal problem is in Texas, at least we haven’t gone over the edge like those in that blue state of Mexifornia. God help us all.

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    • gopuc12450Comment by gopuc12450
      September 13, 2013 @ 12:01 pm

      syeb, the Liberals did not get their way, by doing what is considered ‘legal’.

      They are beating the system by going around the law.
      We must neutralize the end run, or participate in such activity.

      The only other option is – lose everything.

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    • hkazComment by hkaz
      September 13, 2013 @ 1:33 pm

      And now, thanks to Bill Clinton’s “Motor-Voter”, all of the illegal foreign invaders will Vote, Vote, Vote.

      California is now officialy lost to Mexico. Bye Bye! We will stop your federal bail out.

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    • sexysadieComment by sexysadie
      September 13, 2013 @ 2:38 pm

      I visited California once…that was enough. The Land of the Fruits and Nuts…and now illegals driving around in stolen cars with legal driver’s licenses….yeah..that makes perfect sense.

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  2. MadeinAmerica33Comment by MadeinAmerica33
    September 13, 2013 @ 8:51 am

    There goes another State, the stupidity of the State Legislators is amazing. Break our laws if you are illegal and get rewarded. Only in America.

    How about standing up for legal citizens for a change!

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  3. tps12Comment by tps12
    September 13, 2013 @ 8:52 am

    If you don’t need a Voter ID why do they need a driver’s license?

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    • ultimate1red1Comment by ultimate1red1
      September 13, 2013 @ 11:07 am

      Dems need their foreign mercenary voters. DLs make it that much easier to register illegals to vote. National Sovereignty be damned. Just so the Dem elitists keep their cushy jobs forever.

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    • gopuc12450Comment by gopuc12450
      September 13, 2013 @ 11:55 am

      Now the illegals can show their Drivers License in order to vote. AND the Democrats will say the license cannot be challenged, “Because, it’s an American License”.

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    • makesenseComment by makesense
      September 13, 2013 @ 5:07 pm

      The license will be marked to show holder is undocumented and therefor not eligible to vote.

      The unintended consequence of giving licenses to undocumented is, at least for those who have them, will be “documented” as an illegal – complete with home address and will have a photo record. Should the time come and government decides to deport them, it will be easier to identify and find them.

      Employers can also ask to see their drivers license to determine if they are eligible for employment.

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  4. jamarcusComment by jamarcus
    September 13, 2013 @ 9:24 am

    If you know who they are, and you know they’re here illegally, why wouldn’t you invite them down to the DMV for their “license” and escort them out the back door onto the next bus south?

    When the government no longer follows the rule of law, why should we? This is chaos.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      September 13, 2013 @ 11:01 am

      “This bill will enable millions of people to get to work safely and legally,” Brown said in the statement.

      Ummmm…….it is illegal for them to work here without a visa. It is illegal for them to be in this country. Nothing they do is legal, regardless of whether or not you issue them a driver’s license.

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    • dealerdeb1Comment by dealerdeb1
      September 13, 2013 @ 12:10 pm

      The fact is the liberals are such morons you never know how stupid their next move will be. I say we ahould build a fence around california and sell it back to Mexico for $1

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    • moonshineComment by moonshine
      September 13, 2013 @ 2:31 pm

      This action will allow illegal aliens to vote in the State of California. They have a valid driver’s license, so it is not possible to challenge their citizenship status at the polls.
      This is absolutely illegal, and must be struck down by a recall process. The legal voters of California cannot allow these psycho politicians to render them inconsequential. Boot this garbage out of office now before its too late.

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  5. usar4meComment by usar4me
    September 13, 2013 @ 9:44 am

    Where is the local prosecutor or State AG… this sounds like a clear case of aiding and abetting criminal activity or conspiracy to commit a crime… by knowingly assisting a criminal too continue with his criminal enterprise… to wit remaining in the US illegally.

    It is time to arrest and prosecute every legislature and the governor for their aiding and abetting criminal activity.

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    • petroskhanComment by petroskhan
      September 13, 2013 @ 12:07 pm

      This is something very, very serious, and needs to be addressed by those of us who still care.

      A mass of letters needs to be sent to the state Attorney General, demanding that action be taken against those who voted for this, including the governor. Charges need to be filed, plain and simple, for this IS criminal action, and as law-abiding citizens, we have the right to demand that those taking part in crimes be punished.

      Remember, all that’s required for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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    • hkazComment by hkaz
      September 13, 2013 @ 1:39 pm

      I keep saying we need to prosecute the politicians under the RICO Statutes. They are Organized Crime! I just get angrier and angrier every day. Maybe we meed a military coup like they do in every other third world country like we have become.

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    • FreeDameComment by FreeDame
      September 13, 2013 @ 6:32 pm

      petroskhan, maybe you haven’t noticed. The sad fact is we vote, we fax, we email, we hold rallies, we flood the phone lines. The people in power say, “Yes, we hear you.” Then they vote the exact opposite of what we have demanded.

      As far as they are concerned, they are the Rulers and we are Peons who need to sit down and shut up. If this single fact doesn’t change, nothing else will either.

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  6. WarpfieldComment by Warpfield
    September 13, 2013 @ 10:04 am

    I find it amazing that, even though these people are here “illegally”, they are still issued driver’s licenses. This is beyond the pale. I cannot wait until I am able to retire and leave this God forsaken state.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      September 13, 2013 @ 11:43 am

      Move to Texas and help us get rid of our illegals.

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    • bearwolf56Comment by bearwolf56
      September 17, 2013 @ 10:25 pm

      It was said one reason the bill was passed is so illegal aliens need to be able to drive to their jobs legally. I might be wrong but isn’t it against the law to hire someone who is in the country illegally? So the bill makes it legal for some one to drive to a job that’s illegal for them to have in the first place? Wouldn’t it be better to prosecute those who gave them the job so they wouldn’t have a job to drive to, and wouldn’t need a license? Oh that’s right. That would make too much sense.

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  7. biloak71Comment by biloak71
    September 13, 2013 @ 10:06 am

    A license. Now buy a car, get insurance, fuel op and drive safely to work. Have rent money? food? But life’s good, we have a license. Drive to Co. or Washington state and get legally high on weed. As Alfred says,”What; me worry?” Keep electing there legislators and pretty soon there won’t be many laws left to enforce.

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    • rocketmanComment by rocketman
      September 13, 2013 @ 11:16 am

      I just want to know one thing….. Will these licenses be valid in any other state???

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      September 13, 2013 @ 11:44 am

      I bet they will be recognized by other states. Of course if they note that the driver is in this country illegally, maybe they can be used to arrest them for immigration violations.

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  8. faaqComment by faaq
    September 13, 2013 @ 10:34 am

    So I guess it’s no longer illegal to hire an illegal alien? And you no longer have to provide a copy of your birth certificate when obtaining a driver’s license.

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    • kaniksukiddComment by kaniksukidd
      September 13, 2013 @ 11:16 am

      Well, you no longer have to provide a copy of your birth certificate to be pResident of the USA…

      Hey you stupid libtard “legislators” – this will not end well and you don’t care, do you?

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  9. ultimate1red1Comment by ultimate1red1
    September 13, 2013 @ 11:01 am

    California is gone. California’s corrupt politicians beat the San Andreas Fault to it. Any state that cooperates with the foreign invasion of our country should be excised from the Union. Better yet, we should take back the state by force and then forbid the Democratic Party from participating in that state’s government ad infinitum.

    The power of Congress “to exclude aliens from the United States and to prescribe the terms and conditions on which they come in” is absolute, being an attribute of the United States As a sovereign nation, through the action of the legislative department, can exclude aliens from its territory is a proposition which we do not think open to controversy. Jurisdiction over its own territory to that extent is an incident of every independent nation. It is a part of its independence. If it could not exclude aliens, it would be to that extent subject to the control of another power. *** The united States, in their relation to foreign countries and their subjects or citizens are one nation, invested with powers which belong to independent nations, the exercise of which can be invoked for the maintenance of its absolute independence and security throughout its entire territory. — SCOTUS 1889

    ************ “If Congress can forbid the entry ***, it can punish those who cooperate in their fraudulent entry.” — SCOTUS 1909 ****************

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    • FreeDameComment by FreeDame
      September 13, 2013 @ 6:37 pm

      If the laws regarding illegal immigration in Arizona are null and void per the SCOTUS because they infringe on the Federal Government’s role in dealing will immigration, then these laws passed by California should be null and void for the same reason. California cannot pass laws that contradict federal law where illegal immigration is concerned.

      The fact that the Feds won’t enforce their own laws is another subject…

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  10. mereditComment by meredit
    September 13, 2013 @ 11:03 am

    So wrong on so many levels, primary among them removing the lesson of logical consequences for behavior, in this case making a choice to be here without documentation. Don’t we teach our kids about consequences of one’s actions? Isn’t that how humans learn to function in the world??? The lesson the undocumented are learning is that you might actually be rewarded for irresponsible behavior. We know what happens to kids when parents follow that route- brats!

    As an adult educator or undocumented individuals I was hired to assist them in assimilating to the culture and rules of their host country, just as I would adapt to rules in their countries if I moved there. Oh, and I had to take the bus for months while saving to replace my engine. It was a logical consequence of my failure to maintain my vehicle. Why should they be any different, i.e. why shouldn’t they have to take public transportation until they get their immigration status taken care of? The bill is disturbing at best, disgusting at worst and I’m really, really angry. It’s going to be a challenge not to speak out in class if a student brings it up- must work on that to keep my job.

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    • kaniksukiddComment by kaniksukidd
      September 13, 2013 @ 11:17 am

      You need a different job…

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      September 13, 2013 @ 12:33 pm

      “logical consequences for behavior” Comment by meredit

      logical consequences for behavior?

      How can they possibly suspend their drivers license for breaking the law if they don’t have one?

      Doesn’t make any sense to me either

      It must mean they can never have their drivers license suspended because they cannot both be rewarded and punished for the same action.

      Of course, that would be assuming there was some logic to this rather than pure looney tunes

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  11. moonshineComment by moonshine
    September 13, 2013 @ 11:19 am

    This is incredible stupidity. California led by Moonbeam Jerry Brown, and an assorted group of fruits and nuts are now jumping off the fiscal cliff – head first.
    What’s next, issuing driver’s licenses to terrorists and other known criminal offenders? See what happens when you legalize marijuana, the whole State get high.

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    • FreeDameComment by FreeDame
      September 13, 2013 @ 6:41 pm

      Uh, yeah. Didn’t you hear that many California towns have issued invitation to felons released because of prison overcrowding? As in, “Hey drug dealers and murderers, please consider moving to our town as we currently don’t have nearly enough crime here.”

      Lunacy.

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  12. 53shbearnettComment by 53shbearnett
    September 13, 2013 @ 11:59 am

    Yes, it will be a day we will look back on, but not with pride; the signature on this bill has sealed the fate of California as a state on its way to nowhere but down. Might as well just demolish the borders and let all in who want in!

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  13. hdmaniaComment by hdmania
    September 13, 2013 @ 12:18 pm

    Moonbeam would sell his mother down the river for $$$$..Since Cali is almost broke anything for the dollar..then the illegals will get into drunken accidents and then run from the scene as they hardly ever have insurance..wonder how they ever get past the DMV ? Whitey would get popped in a NY minute..insanity

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  14. wdjincComment by wdjinc
    September 13, 2013 @ 12:55 pm

    I wonder if Brown will offer them free car insurance as well.
    I guess ‘illegal’ doesn’t mean anything to them.

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  15. eagle525Comment by eagle525
    September 13, 2013 @ 1:02 pm

    Whats next … free checking accounts for bank robbers, burglars and petty thieves?

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  16. oldsargeComment by oldsarge
    September 13, 2013 @ 1:11 pm

    Just by being here illegally they are committing a crime. Who says crime doesn’t pay. It seems to in California.

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  17. hkazComment by hkaz
    September 13, 2013 @ 1:50 pm

    In his first time around, Brown turned the state over to the unions by allowing the state workers to unionize.

    Now he is turning over to the illegals by letting them vote.

    One man hase almost single handedly destroyed a state. And he is proud of it, just like Obama.

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  18. freedomfighterComment by freedomfighter
    September 13, 2013 @ 3:55 pm

    The State of Mexifornia is on the verge of bankruptcy, thanks to the fact that they have the highest Illegal population in the Country. This is not but another sorry mistake by the spineless Brown. He is giving his state over to the illegals, as they are allowed to vote, not only in Country votes, but State votes as well. Hell, they might as well open the borders, and have a, traffic cop style, person directing the Mexicans across the border into their once envied, and fair state. They are pro Gay, Pro gun confiscation, pro illegal, and pro pot. Is it any wonder why they are going bankrupt?. Yes, he is so popular with all of these, that he can likely stay in office till the day he dies. Why would they want anyone else, when they can dictate what he passes, and what he cannot pass. He needs to grow some marbles, and learn the magical word NO!. If his State is going to survive as a State.
    They can already vote in that state, with no opposition, now they can legally drive, and without insurance. They won’t buy any, as it cuts down on the money they send to their Country of Origin, loyalty, and allegiance. They do this for one of two reasons. 1- to allow their families the means to pay their way across the border, and 2- to build their savings there for their retirement, so that when they have enough, they can retire comfortably in the Country they are Loyal to. I must say, our Faux President either follows their lead, or they follow his. America as a Nation, under his illegal Presidency, is about to do 3 things, Bankrupt our Country, loose our status as the Worlds reserve currency, and start world war III. Brown destroys Mexifornia, and Nobama destroys our Country, by also coddling the Illegals, and giving them the Key to the Country. They can vote here, without objection, and they can live here, paid by the Government, to see that they are protected in the voting.
    Why cannot those in power, prove he is not A natural born Citizen, so they can just arrest this person who is illegally President. If they could do this, they would kill any appointments he has made, and- and any bills he has signed, including, but not limited to, Nobamacare. He has openly shown his distaste for America, Americans, and Judeo-Christianity, If he is not removed, and soon, we are going to be plunged into Martial Law, and if and when this happens, we as Citizens will have no rights at all, and can be arrested and detained for a undetermined period of time, charged as terrorist, merely because we talk negatively, against the Government, Write against the Government, Pray or have a Bible in public, and or have negative bumper stickers on our cars, or even fly the American flag.
    If we do not contact our Senators, and Congressmen, and insist that they force this action, it will be something our Country will regret up to centuries from now. We are about to loose our position as the land of the free, and become the land of the conquered. Our Government is supposed to work for us, not us work for them. The only chances we have, as I can see it, is to make sure we keep the house, and take the Senate in the elections 0f 2014. Unless we as Citizens find someone who will find just cause in his arrest.
    It is really a simple thing. Demand that he produce his true birth certificate, not the fake he showed to the to the media. Ask for, and verify his Social Security card, his drivers license, and every passport he has ever used since his eighteenth birthday. It can be done, so why aren’t we, and the house pushing for his documentation. Also, he had all of his pre election, sealed as soon as he was in office. This begs the question, what is he afraid of in his background. Scream as loudly as you can to our Senators, and Congressmen, to verify his eligibility. We are circling the drain, and he is about to flush us into 3rd world status, soft military, and new Constitution written by and for him. He has three more years, but we the Citizens do not have that long. Our doom lies just around the corner, when the right disaster either happens naturally, or forced, for Martial Law to be enforced by him. This will give him ultimate power, against the Citizens of this Country.

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  19. scallywagComment by scallywag
    September 13, 2013 @ 4:00 pm

    The article did not say how the drivers licenses will be issued and who and how determines if the license has a “mark’ which indicates the person is illegally here.

    Issuing to illegal immigrants a California Driver’s License is the major step to having them vote. Even if the first license has a “mark” designating them as illegal, the following license one may not.

    If the illegal with a CA license moves to another state, will that license to be treated as a regular license in that a driver can register with his new State and then obtain a Texas or Arizona or Nevada license?

    Will the new state have a “mark” or even agree to such a license?

    How many US citizen advocates of the illegals here who happen to work as voter registration agents go ahead and allow them to register saying – if they are even confronted by that fact – “It was so busy I did not happen to see the “mark”.”

    Or will Democrats and other crooks find a way to issue new licenses without any identifying “mark” so that an illegal now owes a license exactly like the one real US citizens have.

    How easy is it for counterfeiters to use licenses with “marks” to produce new licenses without “marks” on them?

    This is why the US needs a US Citizen card like the credit card sized US Passport one can get when getting their larger passport. That is the only way to combat this.

    ps: Who says issuing a license is the same as that person buying Insurance?

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    • hkazComment by hkaz
      September 13, 2013 @ 7:25 pm

      If they convert it to an Arizona license they will be golden. Here you can renew online and just click on a box and bingo……..you are registered to vote! No further checks because you had to prove you are a legal resident to get the license. Now that California and some other states have dropped that requirement, I see we will have to hound our state reps to propose a law not to accept licenses from those states. Any bets on how long it will take for Holder to sue Arizona for that?

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  20. scallywagComment by scallywag
    September 13, 2013 @ 4:05 pm

    The de facto Amnesty measures being made legal in California is a sad and destructive move for America. Maybe the fence along the Mexican / US border should include California as part of Mexico.

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  21. scallywagComment by scallywag
    September 13, 2013 @ 4:05 pm

    The de facto Amnesty measures being made legal in California is a sad and destructive move for America. Maybe the fence along the Mexican / US border should include California as part of Mexico.

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  22. usar4meComment by usar4me
    September 13, 2013 @ 4:11 pm

    Scallywag…

    I wonder, if California designates ‘illegally alien licenses with an Identifying mark if the INS/Border Patrol will be able to access those names and address and simply pick up the illegals and deport them… If the State refuses to give them access to the names and address of these criminals will that be treated as ‘obstruction of justice’ and ‘aiding and abetting’ or ‘Conspiracy to commit immigration fraud’ etc.

    Sounds like there is lot’s of room for federal prosecutors and even local prosecutors too charge those issuing such licenses for aiding and abetting criminal conduct. And once the INS/Border Patrol has access to the names and addresses on file with the Ca. DMV, they can simply pick these bums up and deport them.

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    • scallywagComment by scallywag
      September 14, 2013 @ 11:24 am

      Obama will issue Executive Orders and Holder will sue officials if they try to use the licenses to deport illegals. Obama/Holder set up the rules and add amendments as necessary to “fix” the outcome to their desires.

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  24. usar4meComment by usar4me
    September 13, 2013 @ 5:49 pm

    Why give them a California Drivers license… foreign drivers licenses from Mexico are recognized as acceptable for those Mexican nationals here legally. Why give an illegal a California Drivers license… make them use their Mexican Drives license. Oops, that may identify them as being her from Mexico and not eligible for employment or welfare.

    Legal aliens from foreign countries visiting the US use their home nations driver license to rent vehicles to obtain INSURANCE… there is no need for them to have a California License to obtain insurance or too access a vehicle… they can rent or lease one using their Mexican Drivers license.

    This is not about insurance or safe driving… its about giving the illegal alien a California ID with which to access our economy and social services. It’s about blurring the line between criminals and non-criminal conduct. This law in fact aids and abets criminal conduct. It makes a mockery out of the rule of law.

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    • scallywagComment by scallywag
      September 14, 2013 @ 11:27 am

      That is the most rational and sense-making comment and because of that it is bound to be ignored by Obama Liberals as – you rightly say – does not address THEIR objectives which is to get these Mexican illegals on the voting rolls and to create the road to Amnesty.

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  25. wellilltellyaComment by wellilltellya
    September 13, 2013 @ 6:52 pm

    makes perfect sense it is just like giving a BLIND PERSON a license not a road sign can they READ ! ask those kids in council bluffs Ia. what happens when an ILLEGAL that cannot read road sign tat say DO NOT ENTER got hit head on. OH I forgot you can’t ask any of them they were all three KILLED. the ILLEGAL GOT an all expense paid trip back to MEXICO. and we are supposed to give them a license CHANGE ALL THE ROAD SIGNs TOO. ONLY IN AMERICA can something go on like this

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    • scallywagComment by scallywag
      September 14, 2013 @ 12:36 pm

      The whole thing is crazy because it is predicated on how to allow illegals to function as legals. There is no way.

      If I go to a foreign country – legally of course – i can use my US issued license to drive in that country but for a limited time. I cannot be driving there for years unless I meet Visa or residency requirements. But if I am illegal, the foreign country will not allow me to use anything because i am ILLEGALLY there.

      This whole license nonsense is removing the critical fact from the discussion – illegality – and then trying to fix it.

      But using an existing Mexican license is the best solution ….under the circumstances.

      If that poses problems – insurance, accidents, dead Americans on the highway – then the next solution is “YOU CAN’T DRIVE IN THE US.

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