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Sens. Marco Rubio, Rand Paul deliver blistering rebuttals to Obama

By McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- In English and Spanish, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio on Tuesday night delivered a scathing rebuke of President Barack Obama's State of the Union speech, signaling a GOP battle for middle-class voters that could help re-energize his party and also propel a potential 2016 White House run.

The Florida senator delivered his party's official rebuttal to Obama's speech, but he wasn't the only Republican responding Tuesday night. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, another potential Republican presidential contender, responded to Obama's talk on behalf of the tea party.

Rubio challenged Obama's commitment to preserving and growing the nation's middle class by expanding the role of the federal government and raising taxes on wealthy earners.

"Presidents in both parties -- from John F. Kennedy to Ronald Reagan -- have known that our free-enterprise economy is the source of our middle-class prosperity," Rubio said in prepared remarks. "But President Obama? He believes it's the cause of our problems. ... And, therefore, as you heard tonight, his solution to virtually every problem we face is for Washington to tax more, borrow more and spend more."

Rubio told viewers that he is firmly planted in the middle class, a legacy from his bartender father and a mother who worked as a cashier and maid, who came from Cuba "in pursuit of the opportunity to improve their life and give their children the chance at even a better one."

"Mr. President, I still live in the same working-class neighborhood I grew up in," he said. "My neighbors aren't millionaires. They are retirees who depend on Social Security and Medicare. They're immigrants who came here because they were stuck in poverty in countries where the government dominated the economy."

He added: "Mr. President, I don't oppose your plans because I want to protect the rich. I oppose your plans because I want to protect my neighbors."

At one point Rubio paused for a quick sip of water. He went on to assert that Obama's proposals will hurt middle-class families, cost jobs and harm senior citizens because they do "nothing to save Medicare and Social Security."

"In order to balance our budget, the choice doesn't have to be either higher taxes or dramatic benefit cuts for those in need," he said. "Instead we should grow our economy so that we create new taxpayers, not new taxes, and so our government can afford to help those who truly cannot help themselves."

While Obama implored Congress to vote on gun control legislation, Rubio acknowledged "the rise of violence in our country," but he warned against weakening the Second Amendment.

Rubio said that if the economy could grow by 4 percent a year, the nation could create more jobs and reduce the deficit by nearly $4 trillion over the next decade. He proposed doing so by, in part, encouraging growth in the energy industry including solar, wind, coal, oil and natural gas.

He agreed with Obama on the need to fix Medicare in a way that doesn't harm senior citizens.

"It provided my father the care he needed to battle cancer and ultimately die with dignity," he said. "And it pays for the care my mother receives now. I would never support any changes to Medicare that would hurt seniors like my mother. But anyone who is in favor of leaving Medicare exactly the way it is right now is in favor of bankrupting it."

In the aftermath of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney's crushing loss to Obama and a disappointing showing by Republicans in last November's senatorial elections, Rubio has increased his profile and stature within the party and nationally.

Republicans, recognizing that they failed to connect with enough Hispanic voters in part because of the party's opposition to a comprehensive overhaul of the nation's immigration laws, hope the son of Cuban immigrants can help the party heal from what some leaders say are self-inflicted political wounds from failing to be more inclusive.

Rubio has been working with a bipartisan group of senators who are pushing for immigration legislation that would include a pathway to citizenship and enhance security along the U.S.-Mexico border. Overhauling immigration laws, he said, is essential for economic growth.

"We need a responsible, permanent solution to the problem of those who are here illegally," he said. "But first, we must follow through on the broken promises of the past to secure our borders and enforce our laws."

In his remarks on behalf of the tea party, Paul also touched on immigration, urging tea party supporters to embrace efforts in Washington to change the system.

Rubio delivered his remarks amid the official trappings of the House of Representatives' Speakers Conference Room. Paul spoke from a downtown Washington meeting room, less than a mile from Capitol Hill.

"We are the party that embraces hard work and ingenuity, therefore we must be the party that embraces the immigrant who wants to come to America for a better future," Paul said in prepared text released before he spoke. "We must be the party who sees immigrants as assets, not liabilities."

Paul had harsh words for Obama, Democrats and his own party on federal spending, and for their reluctance to take a realistic approach in cutting it.

"Both parties have been guilty of spending too much, of protecting their sacred cows, of backroom deals in which everyone wins, but every taxpayer loses," he said. "It is time Democrats admit that not every dollar spent on domestic programs is sacred. And it is time Republicans realize that military spending is not immune to waste and fraud."

Paul advocated letting the sequester, an $85 billion round of automatic cuts that would take effect March 1 if Congress fails to act, happen.

"Not only should the sequester stand, many pundits say the sequester really needs to be at least $4 trillion to avoid another downgrade of America credit rating," he said. "Both parties will have to agree to cut, or we will never fix our fiscal mess."

Being tapped to give the opposing party's response to a president's State of the Union speech is an honor usually reserved to rising stars in the Republican or Democratic parties, or others regarded as presidential or vice presidential material.

But recent history of State of the Union responders has produced mixed results. Louisiana Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal, viewed as a potential presidential candidate in 2016, received brutal reviews for his 2009 rebuttal and was passed over by Romney as a vice presidential running mate.

Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, a favorite among cultural conservatives, gave the Republican's 2010 response. He, too, failed to make Romney's vice presidential cut. On the other hand, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., who joined Romney on the losing presidential ticket, gave the GOP's 2011 rebuttal.

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  1. nax777Comment by nax777
    February 13, 2013 @ 9:44 am

    Oh yea how blistering. Won’t be long now before it is done only in Arabic and Spanish.
    Rand Paul, “We must be the party who sees immigrants as assets, not liabilities.” “We must be the party that says, ‘If you want to work, if you want to become an American, we welcome you.”
    Since when has the Pub Party not had this stance, Rand?
    Fact is not all of the 150 million people from other Countries that DO “want to be Americans” can come all at once or even a few million annually. Foolishly dangerous to ignore numbers no matter the size of the house.
    Another fact is the easement of legal entry and enforcement on immigration has opened the door to massive numbers of legal and illegal immigrants that do “NOT” want to be Americans, in fact many want to kill Americans! They even kill their own for wanting to be American.
    Rand knows this, 9/11 made our legal immigration policies clear to the world. Bush not Obama first announced to the world that is impossible to enforce immigration laws and therefore created the DHS!
    According to Bush, Obama, Rand Paul and other leaders being willfully incompetent on immigration policies is the only way Rand’s said quote can carry any weight! http://www.saynotoamnesty.com

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      February 13, 2013 @ 10:21 am

      “Bush not Obama first announced to the world that is impossible to enforce immigration laws and therefore created the DHS!” – nax777

      And one has to ask if they are not willing to obey the law coming to this country and no one can stop them, why should anyone think they can make them obey any law when they are within it?

      And after they have been appeased with citizenship what else will we need to give them to keep them happy?

      And once their numbers are enough and can vote themselves, will they be as generous to us as we have been to them and even allow for pushing what ever number for English?

      And to be clear, this is NOT about IMMIGRATION. It is about INVASION by those whom do not respect the law which made this country they want to come to, AND the lack of the rule of law which ruined the one they want to leave

      All we are doing by going along with it is making this Mexico North

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    • rj2013Comment by rj2013
      February 13, 2013 @ 11:03 am

      If republicans going to sell themselves to Mexico I do not want to be a part of it, it is a slap in every America face to bow down to Mexico. This is America politics and we should keep it America. We should do our campaigning in English only. I am not ready to turn my back on America as Mexico citizens are doing Mexico. I am not ready to pledge allegiance to Mexico government as Mexico citizens are doing or will do against Mexico. I am proud to speak, read, and write English and to be an American citizen. In August of 2006, some Mexican American citizens and some Mexico citizen’s protesters removed the United States Flag that hangs over the United States Post Office in Maywood, California and replace it with the Mexico flag. Are we going to replace our English language to Spanish? Will we let our nation be taken away from us without firing a shot? They want possession of this government. This is not about immigration; this is about regaining territory they lost, stolen, gave or whatever, but one thing for sure, they want it back.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      February 13, 2013 @ 12:03 pm

      For RJ2013: A five star post! Absolutely agree! Those who do not live in illegal land (read boarder states) have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. Theories are grand, real life is a harsh slap in the face.

      I grew up in Southern California in the last of the 60′s through the beginning of the ’80′s. In that time, something changed. From those who wanted to work, make a living, and work for the American dream; turned into entitlement whiner babies who refuse REFUSE to speak, read or write in English! They REFUSE to give up their Mexican citizenship and form groups like La Raza. (BTW: Mexico sold California to us…we didn’t steal it, we didn’t take it, we most certainly didn’t just claim it and kick people off their lands. Know your history folks, it will save you allot of grief when speaking to one of these morons.)

      We are a nation of immigrants, and in my humble opinion, what makes us so unique and strong. There is nothing, nothing we can’t accomplish due to our unique flavor that is found no where else on earth. Bowing down to a bunch of emotionally hurt South American’s for their failures in their own country…does nothing for me. Not my problem. People suffer horrifically all over the world. The only reason we have a South boarder illegal immigration is because they can literally walk here. Imagine if it were Africa, or god forbid the Middle Eastern people walking here.

      One more rant: I’m sick of Jindle, Rubio and any other supposed minority leader in politics suddenly being held up as a ‘Golden Child”. How far is this PC ‘white guilt’ gonna take us? Get the best person for any job…period. I could care a whit where he or she is from, what religion they practice (if any at all) and or what their personal proclivities are. Can they do the job? Stop scrapping the bottom of the barrel with any other flavor than the old standard…stop selling the American people that ‘its their time’. We are not stupid! We are not blind! We are not deaf! We certainly don’t need to be told what to believe or how to believe. We stand on our own two feet…have for quiet some time. So much so that it allowed for a government to become obese on the ‘groceries’ the American people provided it.

      Time to put that big fat baby living in the basement on a DIET!

      ~M

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    • sonofthealamoComment by sonofthealamo
      February 13, 2013 @ 3:04 pm

      bulls eye mystic!the immigrants today are not like the immigrants of old,at first they came to make a better life,now they come to be givin a easier way of life and in return they bleed the money from people who have been here generations not just had a baby here,rubio and jindal want to appease us by their tale of being an immigrant,i am the son of an immigrant so i understand both sides,stop it,other americans have had it just as tough as immigrants they did not invent hard work and little money,but they followed the law,we have coddled these illegals long enough its time to say as mystic said come over here and stand on your own to feet as others have had to do and quit leaning on me i am having a hard enough time standing. one more thing please ask mr rubio where we as americans are going to migrate to and gets such good benefits for being illegal when we are stuck in poverty in a country where the government dominates the economy

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  2. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    February 13, 2013 @ 10:21 am

    Blistering rebuttals ? Really. You want to hear blistering, read some of these websites designed for Republicans and you will see what blistering is. Back home party members are givin the dickens to you so-called representatives of the Republican party. When I deliver a blistering rebuttal I get action and I don’t get paid for it.

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  3. joe93Comment by joe93
    February 13, 2013 @ 10:30 am

    Why did there have to be two GOP messages? I’ve always considered Rubio to be a part of the Tea Party. Yes, I like both senators and their messages, but this is why the media slams the GOP about having a schism.

    There should have been one united message.

    Do you see the Dem party giving two speeches?

    The only way I could understand Rand Paul giving a response is if John McCain was picked to rebut Obama. We’ve got to start speaking one voice. A true constitutional voice. Both Paul and Rubio represent that. The Tea Party Express should have expressed support for Rubio’s remarks.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      February 13, 2013 @ 11:03 am

      “The Tea Party”

      The bogyman of the Republican Party

      Having actually attended some of the gatherings can say for a fact there were DEMOCRATS attending

      And when people start talking about demographics and the Republican Party they need to keep in mind they are ONLY a third of the voters who associate themselves with a party

      A third see themselves as independent, but some where between 50 and 70% of ALL PEOPLE see the dominate percentage of their views as CONSERVATIVE

      And what the Republican Party wants to sweep under the rug, they alienated the conservative faction of independents by George Bush’s spend-thrift ways and the Republican party would NEVER have had the majority in either house or the Presidency for a generation, if it was not for Obama’s in your face liberal Obamacare which UNITED CONSERVATIVES even in the Democrat Party.

      That is the TEA PARTY, the ones who want to throw all big government spenders and intruders into our most private parts of our lives OVER BOARD. They are NOT just REPUBLICANS

      Now there is a huge demographic group that the Republicans need to stop alienating

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    • whodunitComment by whodunit
      February 13, 2013 @ 11:57 am

      Agreed Joe. I have been a member of the Tea Party since the start, and, much as I appreciate Rand Paul and the work he does, I fear the establishment of both the mainstream GOP and the Tea Party are doing their best to keep us at odds. Unless we can reach some common ground and work as a team, Republicans will continue to lose elections. To those “in power” within the various branches of the GOP, I say, “check your egos at the door” and let’s learn to work together.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      February 13, 2013 @ 2:01 pm

      “Unless we can reach some common ground” – whodunit

      I believe if one was to make a list of the 100 most common values held by those whom prefer the Republican party, one would find such a high level of agreement we would once again be accused of “marching lock step”

      The issue is not what we share in common but that some issues are presented as black or white

      But if the questions are framed differently

      More multiple choice

      1: No amnesty, no securing the borders?
      2: No amnesty, securing the borders?
      3: Amnesty, securing the borders?
      4: Amnesty, no securing the borders?

      Of course, the obvious choice (at least for me)
      2: No amnesty, securing the borders?

      However, I know it is not going to be a reality

      and doing nothing results in

      1: No amnesty, no securing the borders?

      So I have to take half a loaf
      3: Amnesty, securing the borders?

      Believe me, I have fought this issue for over thirty years, and told Sid Morrison, with the first amnesty bill, this had better not happen again, he assured me it would not, but I knew it would and I knew it would be a bigger problem and I know if we do not put ALL OUR MIGHT in to closing the border NOW we do not have a hope of saving this country as we now know it.

      P.S.

      As an after thought there are more than four choices

      Secure the borders THEN amnesty

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  4. JDZComment by JDZ
    February 13, 2013 @ 10:58 am

    Our President just does not believe in the America that was created by our Founders and instilled in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. He is committed to converting (transforming) our country into a downgraded socialist country with a continuing lowered standard of living typical of communist or socialist countries. A country with less and less individual freedoms as the federal government takes charge of our lives through more and more suppressive laws and regulations. Even our so-called “private economy” will no longer be “private” as the government indirectly takes control of our private enterprises through massive increases in regulations of all form and sizes. He has instituted thousands of new regulations on everything from energy, finance, education, immigration, agriculture, transportation, and now healthcare which has expanded government control of our lives more in his first term then all administrations combined before him.

    It is the liberal concept of their holy grail as they see the chance to put the final nails in the coffin of the America that was the greatest country in the history of the world. It is sad to watch how millions of Americans are drinking the cult like ideology of the communist/socialist radicals in control of our country at the moment and are rejecting our traditional American way of life.

    Those of us that have lived on this earth and in this country for a number of decades know that what Obama and his radical liberal activists are doing to our country is regrettable and should not have been allowed to happen. The 51% of the American people at large who voted to support this socialist ideology will eventually figure it out, but it will be too late to save the country.

    Our kids and grandkids are the ones we have let down and who are going to suffer the most as the future for them has been irresponsibly undermined by allowing the America we grew up in based on freedom to be converted into a huge unaffordable entitlement nanny state that cannot deliver the opportunities for a good life comparable to what we have been allowed to,experience.

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  5. ClarkCComment by ClarkC
    February 13, 2013 @ 11:02 am

    Anyone who delivers a rebuttal in Spanish is an enemy of our civilization. Spanish is not an official language of the U.S.A. Rubio cannot be trusted, because he has to demonstrate his solidarity with his fellow ethnics. It is time for GOP voters to forget the pro-open borders Rand Paul and the Hispandering Rubio. Paul Ryan is also pro-amnesty and pro-open borders. We need to abandon these traitors.

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    • rj2013Comment by rj2013
      February 13, 2013 @ 11:11 am

      This is what I’m talking about, you are so right and If republicans going to sell themselves to Mexico I do not want to be a part of it, it is a slap in every America face to bow down to Mexico. This is America politics and we should keep it America. We should do our campaigning in English only. I am not ready to turn my back on America as Mexico citizens are doing Mexico. I am not ready to pledge allegiance to Mexico government as Mexico citizens are doing or will do against Mexico. I am proud to speak, read, and write English and to be an American citizen. In August of 2006, some Mexican American citizens and some Mexico citizen’s protesters removed the United States Flag that hangs over the United States Post Office in Maywood, California and replace it with the Mexican flag. Are we going to replace our English language to Spanish? Will we let our nation be taken away from us without firing a shot? They want possession of this government. This is not about immigration; this is about regaining territory they lost, stolen, gave or whatever, but one thing for sure, they want it back.

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    • ozel01Comment by ozel01
      February 13, 2013 @ 12:20 pm

      Um, perhaps you didn’t know this already but THERE IS NO OFFICIAL LANGUAGE in the USA. Why? Because of something called United States Constitution Amendment X. It is a states rights question. Or, are you proposing the federal government exercise more federal overreach? As an example, in Canada each province decides their official language. As a result every province in Canada adopted English as the official language except Quebec, which adopted French. The same could happen here. But, proposals have been put forward several times to adopt English as the official language and, to my knowledge, it had always been stripped out and never brought to the floor for a vote.

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    • Cape ConservativeComment by Cape Conservative
      February 13, 2013 @ 7:23 pm

      Is it not one of the requirements of becoming a naturalized citizen of the United States that one has a working knowledge of the English language? That may not make it an ‘official’ language, but in my humble opinion, certainly does not create an opening for the many foreign language interpreters required in MA courts because of a defendant’s lack of knowledge of English.

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  6. VeeDubComment by VeeDub
    February 13, 2013 @ 11:08 am

    Sen Rubio. There is no place for hyphenated Americans in America. Discrimination for a peoples is still discrimination. And you are guilty of discrimination for those hyphenated hispanic-Americans.

    What example is set by CONgress when it segregates itself into racial groups? Welcome to America, now speak English, obey the laws or go away!

    Sen. Rubio, you are no more a true conservative than Sen. McCain is.

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  7. whodunitComment by whodunit
    February 13, 2013 @ 11:36 am

    I only saw Rubio’s rebuttal — I thought it was outstanding! I even enjoyed and could relate to the dive off camera for the bottle of water. I could see him as a frontrunner for 2016. I don’t think he identifies himself as hispanic-American. I think everyone else does, though. I think Rubio just sees himself as American and he’s proud to be one! I don’t think his giving his rebuttal in Spanish as well was a slam to English-speaking America. But let’s face it, there are many spanish-speaking Americans out there. And if we’re not reaching out to them, you can bet the other side is. And one other thing, neither Rubio nor his wife are of Mexican descent. His family was Cuban and hers was Colombian. Not all Spanish speaking people are Mexican.

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    • VeeDubComment by VeeDub
      February 13, 2013 @ 12:14 pm

      He does identify himself as a hypenated American, and the number of proposals he’s made to allow even more of his people to come to America shows his bias for his people.

      You think we have an immigration problem now, put him in the White House and go buy your Spanish Rosetta Stone course. You’ll need it!

      http://news.yahoo.com/rubio-both-parties-improve-hispanics-120632290–election.html

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    • BobinmsComment by Bobinms
      February 13, 2013 @ 1:21 pm

      I can’t figure out if it was the Democrats or Carl Rove that set Rubio up last night.

      He was sweating like crazy under the hot lights. I was so distracted by his discomfort that I can’t remember much of what he said. His dash “off camera” for a drink of water and then back “on camera” was the highlight. I guess it was impossible to have the water at arms length. On the other hand the democrats effortlessly put on one soap opera after another with little kids running around and old folks dottering about almost daily in any part of the country. And it’s not the same sappy tear jerker over and over. They can switch the story line and even produce a contradictory story line in the blink of an eye.

      It looked like amateur night.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 13, 2013 @ 6:38 pm

      Veedub – What a sad person you must be. Rubio is not some “Enemy of the State” … good grief, dude, lay off what ever it is you are drinking – it is having the same results as the Obama Kool-aid, just the other direction.

      Rubio is a proud American and worked hard to get where he is. It was not handed to him on a silver platter or anything else. He is what America is all about -> HARD WORK AND THE REWARDS OF SUCH COST EFFECTIVE <- )

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    • VeeDubComment by VeeDub
      February 14, 2013 @ 8:41 am

      @jjb54; What makes me a sad person, having a different opinion than you? To be followed up by personal attacks?

      Now doesn’t that just follow the Alinski school of training!

      You are entitled to have your “opinion” of Rubio “dude”, but you’d better google him and his association with EVERY hispanic group out there fighting for instant citizenship, pardons, and preferential hiring.

      He’s associated with the groups working to force spanish language on ALL school children. He’s associated with groups working for an open border with Mexico.

      He’s associated with groups demanding instant social security, disability, and medicare for illegals.

      I’m sure he is a proud American, and I do agree with a lot, a whole lot, of what he has to say. But his agenda that discriminates FOR hispanics is there for all to see, and THAT is NOT in the best interest of America as a whole.

      Good grief “dude” you gotta look at the WHOLE picture, and realize there is most certainly prejudicial treatment FOR his people in a lot of things he’s working on and pushing.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 14, 2013 @ 12:46 pm

      VeeDub – I don’t mind different opinions .. the world would be a dull place if we all agreed on everything.

      What I do not like is people that post 1/2 truths – thus making them also 1/2 lies.

      Sir – I am not sure what exactly you are reading – but I suggest, strongly that you enhance your source material. No Rubio is NOT Forcing anything – seriously, please sight me with a Factual Sight showing Mark Rubio doing just this.

      Plus also Rubio has said IN PERSON – Nubmer of times he is pushing for Controlled/secured borders. Again, Sir – I’m not sure what twisted article you are reading – but he has stated his position on this way too many times.

      Does he admit there is a problem? Yes – does he just want blanket free/open borders – NO – and again, he has made this quite clear.

      I think, sir to be honest – you remind me of my late Uncle. He was reading all the wrong stuff and sometimes I had to show him – the facts and he was LOST … he got angry and later realized he had been reading/listening to OPINIONS of what other people thought – instead of the FACTS.

      I suggest you do the same. Because you are obviously not hearing/reading all the facts – but apparently (???) someone’s biased ideas … very biased.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 14, 2013 @ 12:58 pm

      VeeDub -

      Case in point – Rubio has made these his PUBLIC POLICY:

      >> English is de facto official language; let’s recognize that. (Jun 2012)

      “English is de facto official language; let’s recognize that Virtually every important document in the US is written in English. English has been the predominant language since we were 13 separate colonies. It is our de facto official language, and I don’t think there is anything wrong with recognizing that fact. Some people argue that declaring English to be our official language would prohibit other languages from being spoken in this country. But the government can’t tell you what language to speak at home.

      I think everyone should learn other languages. Knowledge of foreign languages is economically empowering and culturally rewarding. But English is our unifying language. We can all speak whatever language we like here. But we should have one language in common. Some critics argue that it’s nativist or racist to support English as our official language. I think that’s absurd. Learning to speak English is more than a sign of respect from immigrants for their new country. Knowledge of English is necessary to the economic progress and social assimilation.” <- Mark Rubio

      Now – how do you interpret that?? Seriously >> .. The DE FACTO OFFICIAL LANGUAGE; let's recognize that. State June of 2012.

      Like I said – I think you need to check out FACTS -vs- Opinions …. the facts are a lot clearer than opinions.

      Than you have this:

      **No amnesty in any form, not even back-of-the-line. (Mar 2010)

      ** Oppose amnesty in any reform. (Feb 2010)

      ** Opposes granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. (Sep 2010)

      ** Supports full implementation of current border security laws. (Sep 2010)

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    • VeeDubComment by VeeDub
      February 15, 2013 @ 7:59 am

      @jjb54: “”"”Strangely, some Republicans seem determined to create more Democratic voters, too. That will be the primary result of Sen. Marco Rubio’s amnesty plan.

      Rubio’s bill is nothing but amnesty. It isn’t even “amnesty thinly disguised as border enforcement.” This is a wolf in wolf’s clothing.

      Despite all the blather about how Rubio demands “Enforcement First!” the very first thing his proposal does is make illegal aliens legal. (Don’t call them “illegal aliens”!)”"”"

      http://newrepublicoftexas.com/news/rubios-amnesty-a-path-to-oblivion-for-the-gop/

      ~ ~ While certain people in the GOP have helped lead us to the point where concession (surrender) is the order of the day, it is a fact the GOPs lack of a backbone has lead to it’s demise. Rubio will ensure the final destruction of the GOP when his “new” amnesty “concessions” are passed. Keep your head in the sand if you will. They will not vote Republican just because a Republican got them what they demanded.

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    • VeeDubComment by VeeDub
      February 15, 2013 @ 8:00 am

      @jjb54: Rubio Now Backing Away From “Enforcement First” on Illegal Alien Amnesty

      http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/rubio-now-backing-away-from-enforcement-first-on-illegal-alien-amnesty/

      Senator supports reforms he once denounced as ‘amnesty’.
      http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/how-Marco-rubio-evolved-on-immigration-reform-20130129

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    • VeeDubComment by VeeDub
      February 15, 2013 @ 8:07 am

      @jjb54

      Time line to amnesty for 11 – 15 million democrats: http://www.fairus.org/tellrubiono?source=tellrubiono

      Social security, medicare, unemployment, food stamps, NONE of these “freebies” can be supported once illegals are given instant access to them. And once ANY amnesty is adopted, they automatically become eligible for everything without ever having paid into the system.

      THIS WILL LEAD TO THE FINANCIAL COLLAPSE OF AMERICA, which is exactly the plan of obama and his minions. Once our financial system collapses, they will then have the power to declare ANYTHING they want as necessary to rebuild America.

      Rubio is playing into their plans. America will fall under the U.N.s Agenda 21 within 2 years of Rubio’s (or any amnesty) plan taking effect.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 15, 2013 @ 11:23 am

      Veedub –

      First off, I have a lot of respect for Ann Coulter, but I’ve also caught her fudging facts on TV and in her OP ED pieces.

      More than a few times she has confused her opinion as fact and facts as opinions. Now again, I like this gal a lot …. I want to make that clear. I honestly do ….

      Then I found it curious, Bill O’Rielly asked her this question – sometime last year – “Have you ever met or talked one-on-one with Sen. Rubio?” Her answer was entertaining, “No, but I’m sure he is a very nice man.” Bill O: “Have you ever been offered to meet and talk with him?” Ann: “Yes, but I’ve turned them down.” (Fudged as to the reason why.)

      Now wait! Seriously?? You have these “QUESTIONS” and you are speaking out against him, but never taken the time to actually talk with the man, when given the opportunity???

      Veedub – I’m sorry, but that spoke volumes to me. Speak ILL of the man, but when given the opportunity to speak one-on-one you turned it down. (????)

      Bill O stated, “I think it would do you both some good to meet one-on-one.” (I agree….)

      Now VEEDUB, I have this question for you ….

      Which makes more sense, common sense to you.

      See I listened to Mark Rubio and found his logic – well solid. So I will ask you and YES I do expect an answer! Not some link, I want your well thought out answer, not someone elses answer.

      Understand I was ready, too, to SHIP THEM HOME! Until …..

      A. Spend MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ***> we do not have <****, thus adding more to our already out of control debt, to process them and send them home. (The actual cost is estimated to be almost over a Billion Dollars.)

      B. Give the ones with clean records – Green cards and let them work here, pay taxes and live under our laws and such? Costs less than a million or so dollars.

      Those with Records w/the local Police areas would be SHIPPED HOME, no questions.

      See, yes it is a problem – but do we create an even greater problem AND debt to ship them ALL home, and think about this …. you want to talk about a 'witch hunt' …. this would turn very UGLY and could even result in loss of life and property … or do we take the path of COST EFFECTIVENESS.

      When I saw the $$$ involved to track them all down, process them and than pay for their trip home … I went, "Wow, at some point, I guess we do need to look at the big picture and not just the emotional one."

      Yes, being a financial conservative … IS IT WORTH THE INCREASE TO OUR DEBT? (or do we get them to help pay of that debt?)

      Sir, I await your answer. :)

      Yes again, a couple of years ago, I, too was ready to ship them all HOME. THEY BROKE OUR LAWS! But when do we swollow our self-righteous "indignation" and go – Okay, wait. We have this problem, what is the BEST and Safest and Cost effective way of dealing with it?

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    • VeeDubComment by VeeDub
      February 16, 2013 @ 9:43 am

      @jjb54 First off I don’t care! You have your opinion of Rubio and won’t change no matter what anyone shows you, so there’s no point in discussing it any further.

      Next: If you’re happy to consider another weak Republican who thinks the ONLY answer is for the GOP to make concessions, then more power to you.

      Next: If you’re willing to accept a person who will give amnesty to 11 million illegals, which will promptly inspire another 11 million to cross the border illegally, then thank you for helping to destroy our economy and add millions to welfare and food stamps rolls (as there are NO jobs for them to take)!

      Lastly: If I was even slightly interested in an answer I’d ask for your reference for it only costing a million dollars, but since I don’t care, you can keep your made up figure, and try to convince somebody else.

      I eagerly don’t await your response, as I won’t be changing my opinion of Rubio or you either.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 16, 2013 @ 11:39 am

      Well Veedub -

      I can tell you are old and bitter. I am sorry you ‘got there’.

      The second thing – “@jjb54 First off I don’t care!…”

      I do care – A LOT. No, I don’t like the idea of giving them a “Free Pass” – but the problem is far more complicated and expensive than most people stop to see and realize. It is just not that “simple” to ‘send them all back to their homes. Sorry it is just NOT that simple.

      IF ANYONE THINKS IT IS THAT SIMPLE AND EASY – They are FOOLS!

      SHIPPING THEM OUT – is simply not an option now. It is literally a day *years actually* late and a NUMBER OF MILLION dollars short. Again sorry for reality, I know only too well that it can SUCK at times. But we have to deal with REALITY and not IDEOLOGY!

      You sound like Obama, on the other side. Ideology and damn the cost or rational or common sense. JUST DO IT! SPEND THE MONEY AND WE WILL PAY FOR IT BY RAISING TAXES EVEN HIGHER TO PAY FOR IT! Really? Because that is the only answer …. There is NO OTHER ANSWER!

      I care that we are so far in debt, as a NATION, that we cannot afford to just spend $$$ we do not have.

      I guess that is why we have problems like we do today – People like you that DO NOT CARE! WE HAVE TO! We simply do not have the $$$ to ship them all out. UNLESS OF COURSE YOU WANT EVEN HIGHER TAXES AND MORE DEBT …. *BLINKS* But hey, if you are fine with that … I’ll just ask you one question: DO YOU SPEND MONEY YOU DO NOT HAVE??? I certainly do not.

      Reality ***** – but we have to deal with Reality – Not your “I DON’T CARE …” anger issues.

      So, what would be a logical & rational plan?? Since we have to be LOGICAL & RATIONAL – not “I don’t care…” anger emo issues. That solves NOTHING … but only raises your blood preasure. Not a good thing.

      So – Plan; A (in general)

      Give them:

      Green Cards, so they can work the jobs they are legally. (THEY ARE NOT USA CITIZENS.)

      Have a Health Care Insurance Policy they can buy, to meet their family health needs – > THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR. Not the government.

      They have to pay ALL THE TAXES – but: NOT SOCIAL SECURITY – as they would not be able to collect that, again for obvious reasons.

      IN SHORT FORM:
      They do NOT get to Vote or any other “US CITIZEN PERKS” PERIOD .. as they are NOT US CITIZENS ->

      IF they have any warrants for arrest – other than entering the country – outstanding – > THEY ARE SHIPPED HOME! No questions asked.

      If after they are given their “GREEN CARD” – they break any of our laws – they are then sent home. They understand they are on ‘semi-thin-ice’ – but I do not want them living in FEAR either. Just a healthy understanding of what “IS” and what will happen if “IS” is ignored.

      Now with that growing “TAX BASE” being legally and actually paid into the system – Guess what they will help! Now that is a “win-win”.

      We have to find an answer that WORKS and is rational – logical and has COMMON SENSE engaged -> NOT ANGER ISSUES <-

      BTW – Yes, I am willing to pay, as a tax payer, for more secure borders. That is not even a remote question or issue. We DO need to STOP the continued illegal crossings of our borders. That is a totally different issue. :)

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    • VeeDubComment by VeeDub
      February 16, 2013 @ 2:31 pm

      @jjb54 Blah, blah, blah and more blah, blah, blah blah. You ramble on like the pompous arses that worship obama, and it’s obvious you are a Rubio worshipper.

      What I don’t care about is YOU and YOUR pompous, self-righteous ramblings. You really do remind me of the mind-numb lemmings that have mini orgasms every time obama speaks. You will never, EVER see another side or the flaws in what he “SAYS” he wants, because you are so far up Rubio’s arse you know if he gets a sore throat. Geez get a life, and rant at someone who is foolish enough to fall for your all-knowing superiority complex.

      I have no anger issues, I have idiot issues. And they always bring out the best in me. Congratulations, you’ve joined the club!

      I won’t be following this thread any longer so you can go ahead and rant, I’m sure the Minbari eagerly await to hear from you again.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 16, 2013 @ 3:04 pm

      First off I do not worship Obama – I did not vote for him either time and feel he has proven himself more than a traitor to this country and it’s people. But that is totally a different thread. I feel he has easily earned the “RIGHT” to be Impeached if any President has. I just wish those Repub’s had the ***** to do it. The case would be “BLACK AND WHITE”, easily.

      2nd off –

      Let me ask you two very simple questions:

      1. Do you know how many illegal aliens are in the USA and how many decades this has been a problem?
      2. How do you suggest we pay for it, with money we do not have?
      …. > And a follow up – Do you realize how much that will cost it? (again, where is that money going to come from???)

      No sir, you have anger issues –or you have your head in sand to the reality of the issues. I am not sure which? But just look at your posts. You want it YOUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. That is an ideology, like Obama – forget the cost – the facts and such … JUST DO IT and we will figure out how to pay for it later. (That kind of thinking is what got us here in the first place.)

      So, sir – what is your COMMON SENSE SOLUTION to the problem that has been going on for DECADES – how do you propose to solve DECADES in a few short months … and how do you want us to pay for it?

      I would honestly and really like to hear (read) your answer on this – WHAT IS YOUR COST EFFECTIVE – COMMON SENSE – RATIONAL SOLUTION???

      For that matter – anyone is free to answer that – But I would really enjoy reading Veedubs ‘solution’.

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  8. joe93Comment by joe93
    February 13, 2013 @ 11:43 am

    I’m seeing too many troubling comments about Rubio speaking Spanish. If you didn’t get the message of his speech, then you didn’t understand his English either.

    The point he made was that his Cuban parents came to the US to work hard and ASSIMILATE!

    You first have to speak their language, and then teach them how to be American. If you can’t persuade the Spanish speaking voters to vote GOP, then every president from here to the destruction of this country will be a Dem.

    He NEVER said anything about staying true to your heritage and not learn English. This is just a step to capture legal citizen immigrant voters, of all countries. Maybe you missed the polls of the last election, but Mitt Romney got his clock cleaned by minority voters, even though Obama’s platform ruins their life.

    Minority voters have to be able to trust the messenger AND the message. That’s why it’s good for the GOP to start highlighting Nikki Haley, Rubio, Tim Scott, etc.

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    • whodunitComment by whodunit
      February 13, 2013 @ 11:52 am

      Thank-you.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      February 13, 2013 @ 12:32 pm

      “Mitt Romney got his clock cleaned by minority voters” – joe93

      And one needs to ask why

      Would the outcome have been different, if a person of their own racial makeup but had a different political view been elected?

      The question is, was the vote for political view or skin color?

      If it is skin color then we have a problem which cannot be solved by changing minds and catering to it will ONLY make the problem worse.

      We, as Americans, have some defining principles the liberals destroy by playing up our differences to win votes, and first among these great principles, all are equal before the law; second, the law is a sequence of rules to determine a conclusion, applied the same for all.

      Any race of people, in any country, speaking any language doing those two things will see their fortunes increase

      And I believe if a person could choose his skin color, the language he could speak, the nation he was born they would not value those things greater than their own prosperity.

      Which leads me to the conclusion, if one want votes from any race, country of origin, language show them how you can make their life better

      The Republicans have shown for the eight years of the last Bush administration they favor the prosperity of of a few, not all.

      Change that view and change who sits in the White House

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 13, 2013 @ 1:05 pm

      Apparently this is “ROCKET SCIENCE” to some … if you want them to ‘relate’ to you – you first have to speak their language. Again, why is this rocket science?

      What I am trying to say is -> In order to reach people of different languages/customs/groups and such – You first have to speak their language FIRST! IF you expect them to just start being “where you are” — than you are the foolish one!

      Rubio was on target having it in spanish too. That showed he was willing to reach them where they are at!

      That is called: S M A R T

      People engage common sense here. Seriously!

      Let me see if I can further explain – We often see “Sign Language” for the deaf. Is that bad? No. Why? Because we know they cannot ‘hear’ us and thus we communicate with them ON THEIR TERMS IN A WAY THEY CAN UNDERSTAND. Not all spanish speaking (even legal new Americans) can understand ENGLISH that well. They are still in the process of learning … English is not an easy language to ‘get’ …. if you stop and think about it.

      I mean we still spell Knife with a K … which still has me scratching my head. ;)

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      February 13, 2013 @ 1:33 pm

      “Apparently this is “ROCKET SCIENCE” to some … if you want them to ‘relate’ to you – you first have to speak their language” – jjb54

      Ok, then why was it not followed by Indian, Filipino then Chinese?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States
      “The leading countries of origin of immigrants to the United States were Mexico, India, the Philippines, and China”

      Because they do not have 1.2 million annually illegally enter the country

      This is not about immigration, it is about uncontrolled numbers entering our country faster than can be assimilated, and is WHY we have to speak their language rather than them learning ours

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    • BobinmsComment by Bobinms
      February 13, 2013 @ 1:36 pm

      Romney DID NOT lose the election because of the Hispanic vote! He lost for a laundry list of reasons including he ran against an incumbent, didn’t get out the vote, had no “goodies” for voters, 93% of blacks voted for Obama, Christie shot off his mouth, there was a storm, etc. etc. How people can focus on this one thing is amazing. And what if the Repubs cater to the Hispanics. What will it get them. Who was president and signed off on the last major amnesty bill? Clinton or Carter? Neither! It was Reagan! Not many Hispanics remembered or appreciated that this election. And surely the Hispanics would remember the more recent George W’s amnesty efforts and reward the Republican party accordingly. Yeah right, just like they will remember this amnesty.

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    • gnafuComment by gnafu
      February 13, 2013 @ 3:10 pm

      Bobinms> Lest we forget a great deal of voter fraud. “malfunctioning electronic vote machines” and people coming forward and bragging how they voted three and four times for Obama. One area had less voters registered than the number of votes for that area. I agree that Romney didn’t offer anything but jobs and a sound economy and that isn’t what the lazy wanted to hear. They got their cell phones at tax payers expense and that is all that mattered. Some blacks did vote for Obama only because of color but Many blacks voted for Romney because he made sense. I also think that some women voted for Obama for “female” reasons and not for leadership quality.

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    • bulldogComment by bulldog
      February 13, 2013 @ 3:19 pm

      @ Jota_

      Most Filipinos understand English, as probably do most Indians (from India). Filipinos learn English in school and of the non native English speaking peoples they are probably about the best at it. Many Indians are also learning English because of the high amount of call centers in India. Lastly, there are not near as many of them as Spanish speakers. As for the Chinese immigrants, some speak English good, and some do not. I have come across both types, but again it is all about the numbers.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 13, 2013 @ 5:31 pm

      @ Jota – Well you just proved my point about it being “Rocket Science” to some (you).

      AMAZING …..

      Bulldog pretty much stated what I was going to state. (Well stated Bulldog.) :D

      Jota – seriously – you should have engaged your brain just a little bit more than you did, before you posted that.

      It is about numbers – and right now ALL want the Hespanic Vote, for “Rocket Science” to you – obvious reasons to the rest of us.

      Wow – people LAY OFF THE KOOL-AID and/or quit drinking what ever it is you are drinking! It is affecting your common sense and reasoning skills.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 13, 2013 @ 6:09 pm

      @gnafu – I’m still wondering how one community had 158% voter turnout? How on earth do you have 58% more votes above 100% … I mean you have 100% all reg. voters turned out. Where did the other 58% come from.

      Than you had 100% votes for Obama in some communities and I know some families that did NOT vote for Obama in a couple of those 100% Obama… (What happened to their vote?) That should have nocked it down to at least 96% or less.

      Then let’s not talk about the fact that I know a three families that told me they got notified that their dead parents voted – “They were thanked for the turn out” snail mail addressed to their dead parents at the “current address”. Plus as they stated,”Even in their graves they would not have voted for Obama!” LOL ….

      If it stinks like rotten eggs … guess what …

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    • Cape ConservativeComment by Cape Conservative
      February 13, 2013 @ 7:32 pm

      As I stated in an earlier post, it is time for all good citizens to come to the aid of their country…i.e., get thyself to the local election supervisor and ask to become a pollworker! I have been one for years and I KNOW these shenanigans are not allowed in our precincts. It’s time to throw out the crooked nogoods who are working in the polls so that Americans can once again believe their votes actually count! So you work a long day (I actually took off from my real job when I was in the workforce) but it is worth it!

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  9. gnafuComment by gnafu
    February 13, 2013 @ 11:44 am

    Rubio and Paul seem to know what is right for this country. At least they do take action and try to control spending and increased taxes. Senator Graham is on the right track and he certainly has a few followers. What will really help this country? The removal of the present leader. He is the problem. I listened to all of his remarks at SOTU and all I heard was I, we, me and my. Which boils down to making Government larger and larger. It appears his jobs deal is to make the chart read: Titled, ‘U.S. Government’ and under that comes businesses and The People…all owing their souls to the company store, U.S. Government. He wants to take from the rich and give to the poor. How clever is that? The rich already foot the major part of income taxes. I liked Rubio’s remarks about the wagon and who is pulling it. Obama wants minimum wage raised to $9.00 per hour. Guess what gets more taxes out of that? And, what businesses must do to increase wages? release employees to skeleton crews, raise the price of products and maybe businesses disappear from American Markets. Does anyone else see this devious plan? I’ve been in business and know how increased expenses have an effect on increased product prices. By the way, I worked 20/7 for five years and did not have a paycheck so I could get my business off the ground. Employees never missed a paycheck! I had to eat my product to stay alive and I weighed 110 pounds! Yes, by god, “I built that.” And, there were/are many other businesses just like that; sweat-blood-tears to stay in business and provide jobs for those willing to work; pay increases by merit only. Climb the ladder to Management, Merit Only!
    As for illegal Latinos having citizenship, they pay back all the money that they have used from the tax payers. We paid for their education, homes and health care. Once they repay their debt, THEN, they could be considered for U.S. Citizenship! Some illegals have been here forty years! Think of the tax dollars we have spent on them! How many student loans did you have to request to get your kids into college? Meanwhile, Education was “free” to the illegals and any kids who descended from some American Indian Tribe. The president wants to talk about a level playing field? He has no idea what that means. And, if the black and white minorities will get off their lazy arzzes, they could be part of the working class and there are plenty of jobs out there but not all computer jobs. I was told by one of my Federal Senators that foreign aid is important to help other people around the world. I beg to differ with that comment. American money is sent to rich dictators and their people never see any aid. The buck stops at the dictators’ desk and we know what they use that money for – War ****- while their people live like hobos and starve to death! Those people have burned the American Flag and Bibles yet our leader sees fit to keep handing them U.S. tax dollars! Meanwhile, back in the U.S. we have millions on welfare, there are jobs for the people who want to work but not the kind of jobs they had before losing their jobs, and food stamps… A person on welfare who depends on having children by multiple men bring in over $3000.00 per month on welfare. Obama talks about downsizing the Military to cut spending. How about taking another look at Welfare and the expensive nightmare that has caused! But, we all know where the leader of this country is coming from and it isn’t to put people back to work but keep people on the Government take.

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    • Cape ConservativeComment by Cape Conservative
      February 13, 2013 @ 7:40 pm

      BHO knows no other way to look at life than through his own image…I Me My I Me My – a true narcissist!

      My guess is that he will continue to vote ‘present’ and stay out on the campaign trail rather than take responsibility and make the important decisions necessary of the president of the greatest country in the world!

      That way he can claim “I didn’t do it” as we have witnessed over and over again throughout his term in office, the latest being the shameful lack of leadership with regard to the Fast & Furious and Benghazi scandals that resulted in many deaths!

      It would be a change if he spent some time in the Oval Office presiding, rather than out practicing his community organizing skills.

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  10. chamuielComment by chamuiel
    February 13, 2013 @ 12:32 pm

    Rand Paul, they are not immigrants. They are illegal aliens. Why is this so difficult for politicians to understand?

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  11. chamuielComment by chamuiel
    February 13, 2013 @ 12:36 pm

    Rubio will not get my vote in 2016

    The jury is still out on Paul

    Personally, I think if either runs in 2016, we lose again.

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  12. jenerseaComment by jenersea
    February 13, 2013 @ 12:53 pm

    Wow these guys really got up there and spoke about how hard they are going to fight against Obozo and how they are going to fight for the values that you and I hold dear. 4 years ago, Boehner did the same, how much got accomplished? Please tell me, if you can about any thing that got over turned or was really fought for? SOS, get something accomplished and then I might believe that you really mean it.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 13, 2013 @ 3:54 pm

      The problem is – the House has passed some great Bills – the problem is “Prince Harry is sitting on them.”

      Why? Because if he had the votes to turn them down, they would be on the floor ASAP just show the House up. You do not bring them to the floor if you know you do not have the votes.

      Prince Harry is kissing – oops – protecting Obama’s butt by keeping these “Dead” on his “desk”.

      You can only do so much … What needs to happen is Prince Harry has to be kicked in the butt … instead of being kissed there.

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    • gnafuComment by gnafu
      February 13, 2013 @ 7:01 pm

      I agree with jjb54. Harry is one *** kissing Congressman who has been in Washington far too long. Why does Nevada keep voting for the prig? Because Old Harry does a lot for the State of Nevada through a lot of shenanigans. Say “Lobbying”+ added pork to good bills. Reid just had his own property value increased by having an ear mark and the property around his home was increased in value by adding an access road or something to that nature. There’s so much Graff and thievery going on in Washington, I can’t keep up with all of it and neither can our elected officials. Look at what the twit Pelosi spews at times. Every time she opens her commie mouth, she parrots in tongue tied rhapsody the man in the Oval Office.

      I wish both Reid and Pelosi would retire but there will be some other un-fits to take their place. It was once said that the older one gets the wiser one gets. In Reid and Pelosi’s situation, The older one gets the dumber one gets. So, I’m trying to figure out which one of them is dumb and the other dumber?!

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    • mrickyridgeComment by mrickyridge
      February 13, 2013 @ 9:54 pm

      I prefer the titles of idiot and moron. You decide which is which. Reid should not get 1 cent because he doesn’t actually work. I have an idea, how about paying them on actual accomplishments. They would both be broke. They are both just obozo puppets

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  13. rockyvnvmcComment by rockyvnvmc
    February 13, 2013 @ 2:56 pm

    What the author failed to consider, is that neither Marco Rubio nor Bobby Jindal are ‘Natural Born Citizens’. They, as well as our current Usurper-in-Chief, are All Ineligible to hold the Office of the Presidency & Vice Presidency, as they all have at least one parent who was a Foreign National, at the time of their birth. Thus denying them the requisite NBC status, as outlined in the Constitution and reinforced by the SCOTUS, in Minor v Happersett.

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    • bulldogComment by bulldog
      February 13, 2013 @ 3:25 pm

      Both Rubio, and Jindal were born in the USA, so both are most likely eligible to be president. Rubio born in Miami, FL, and Jindal in Baton Rouge, LA.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 14, 2013 @ 12:28 am

      @ rockyvnvmc

      Again – another person that should have engaged their brain before posting … as the above person stated, they both have USA BIRTH CERTIFICATES …

      Why do people open mouth – incert foot so easily??

      Seriously – all rockyvnvmc was just a simple google search to avoid FOOT IN MOUTH oder….

      You know, it is better to be thought a fool than make a post like the above and remove all doubt.

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  14. chamuielComment by chamuiel
    February 13, 2013 @ 3:15 pm

    Blistering? I think not.

    Sounds more like postering by 2016 wanna’be’s

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  15. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    February 13, 2013 @ 3:23 pm

    Trying to contemplate the next presidential election makes me ill. Fact is I am going to stop joining these discussions. There is no future in watching Obama use Air Force One like a portable throne going around expounding on his greatness at a cost of 30 to 50 thousand dollars a day at least. Congress won’t touch him as he makes love to himself. Nothing I can do. His state of the union address was gold plated bull doo doo. He must think there is still a Santa. Promises destroyed before they were even thought of. Shameful.

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  16. catnip24Comment by catnip24
    February 13, 2013 @ 3:38 pm

    everyone only talk about mexicans regarding immigration. it goes much farther than just this group if illegals. obama’s sweeping “immigration reform” will extend to every illegal in this country. that includes all of the radical muslim, communist revolutionists and everyone else who has come here illegally to destroy america.
    securing the border should be the top priority. obama’s blanket amnesty to all illegals is another one of his steps to “fundamentally change america”, which is simply a phrase meaning to destroy america.

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  17. vevaComment by veva
    February 13, 2013 @ 5:12 pm

    An Election night poll, made by respected firm, “Public Opinion Strategies”, found that 40% of Hispanics support the Arizona-style enforcement approach to illegal immigration, which is 13% more Hispanics than supported Romney. This was reported by http://www.judicialwatch.org That’s quite different then what the networks report.
    Since Karl Rove has been bad mouthing The Tea Party, that could be the reason that Senator Rand Paul gave his response on their behalf!
    I support them, and Rove’s importance has gone to his head. Oh what a little power does to some people! I think Senator Paul is the best informed on the Constitution of the United States.

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    • gnafuComment by gnafu
      February 13, 2013 @ 6:19 pm

      >veva> Right on! And, once people retire, they keep paying into Medicare, increased payments never stop until a retiree dies. Some people like rosecoats don’t understand that SS and Medicare is paid benefit by The People. It is not a government hand-out. And, the illegals who are in the U.S. have benefited from the paid SS and Medicare and that is in part why both programs are going broke. The other part is due to the SS fund being shifted to the General Fund where various programs are paid from the SS money; why a dog barks, does the canary really sing…stuff like that! Maybe welfare money comes from the SS money, I don’t know. Congressmen/ladies dip in and get their pay raises from the SS fund and god only knows who dips into the Medicare bucket. Now, Obama needs extra taxes from The People to help correct all of the elite’s spending errors. It appears that each time Congress and executive makes errors, The People are expected to bail them out.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 13, 2013 @ 8:32 pm

      @ gnafu – I really wish people would ‘get it’ about Social Security and Medicare .. these were “insurance policies” that PEOPLE PAID INTO … so when they retire – if everything else went “south” – like the economy/stock market – they had the insurance and ASSURANCE that they at least had/have something there to protect them.

      Unlike Welfare – were you want to talk about A B U S E …. do not even get me started!

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  18. rosecoatsComment by rosecoats
    February 13, 2013 @ 5:13 pm

    What a load of horse manure! Revving up Social Security and Medicare? And just where does he think the money will come from for that?
    We have no real leaders in this country. Social Security and Medicare need to be thrown into the trash bin, and families need to take care of their own. These social programs should be reserved for the truly needy and not passed out to every person over age 65 who still has a pulse. Too bad FDR set these programs up in a way that made us all government dependents if we live long enough…but with Obama, we won’t have to worry about how old we are, we’ll ALL be government dependents from cradle to grave. Bottom line, the only difference between Rubio and Obama is one of degree.

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    • vevaComment by veva
      February 13, 2013 @ 5:41 pm

      Listen to both of the speeches. They are different. Paul understands better how Congress ‘works’ and gives many, specific, examples. BTW, FDR instigated Social Security, which was to be ‘temporary’. Lyndon B Johnson is responsible for Medicare. Everyone with a job contributes to Medicare, from day one, and until they either reach retiremant age, as decided by Congress, OR they die. So all of the contributions by those who die before retirement goes into the ‘pot’. Those who retire have given up a portion of their salary over the years, and it is an “earned” benefit! One difference between Rubio and Paul, is that Rubio’s parents were refuges from Cuba, and Paul’s parents were born here (and maybe several generations, also). He has a different perspective and seems to be very observant!

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 13, 2013 @ 6:32 pm

      @ veva – This is the thing – Social Security and Medicare were PAID INTO – it is not “entitlement” – Like some abuse welfare. This was an “Insurance Policy” that was told – “You pay into it, when you retire you are covered.”

      Now does it need to be ‘redone’ – YES! First thing, they should have, from the beginning made OFF LIMITS to any greedy hands to “Rob Peter to pay Paul”. IT should never been Open Access to anything but S.S. and Medicare…

      But that was NOT the case – so we have to figure out how to make it work and make it solid again.

      I like one of the ideas – my son being 28, agrees. Instead of paying into S.S. give me the option to start my own “Retirement Fund” that have all the same support and such as Social Security. Then it is OFF LIMITS to the Government and he knows it will be there …. :)

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    • fouroaks93Comment by fouroaks93
      February 13, 2013 @ 6:47 pm

      I beg your pardon rosecoats, but for years my husband and I paid into Social Security–not given a choice there–but that money was put in there for when we reached the ‘grand old age’ of 65. Now you don’t want us to be able to draw what is due us? Yes, I agree that it shouldn’t be doled out to anyone who hasn’t earned it, but for those of us who worked for it, it is NOT AN ENTITLEMENT, it is payment back for what we put in.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 13, 2013 @ 8:41 pm

      @ rosecoat -

      Take off your “rose colored glasses” and educate yourself … BIG TIME!

      Social Security and Medicare were/are INSURANCE POLICIES that people PAID INTO ALL THEIR WORKING LIFE. It was/is there for times like now, where people private investiments went SOUTH – Thank you Obama for nothing!

      At least they knew/know that they had some insurance/assurance that some $$$ and protection would/is there!

      You want to scrap something – how about WELFARE?? Talk about ABUSE BIG TIME …. maybe we should dump those leeches onto their famileies and see what they say! LMAO — OUT ON THE STREET YOU LAZY KNOCKED UP BUMB! We would save BUKO $$$’s right there.

      Then why are we paying Congress/Senator LIFE TIME SALARY when they might only work one or two years? I would amend that right there and say – You have to be voted in for 10+ years before you get a dime if you loose. IF you got voted out sooner, there was a reason and so why should we pay you for a lousy job that your community said – FIRED!

      See I already saved MILLIONS OF DOLLARS RIGHT THERE …..

      Plus I would make it MANDITORY – that all who voted for OBAMA CARE have to subscribe to it for the rest of their lives. NO OPTIONS, unless they get a private sector job and get their own insurance. :) Want to hear them scream BLOODY HELL … they would be the first to CRY – HELL NO, WE DO NOT WANT OBAMA CARE! Then ask them the BIG QUESTION —> WHY NOT?? You voted for it, now live with it! Watch Obama care get REPEALED FAST .. there, see I just saved a BILLION+ dollars right there!

      I am on a roll ….

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    • VeeDubComment by VeeDub
      February 15, 2013 @ 8:20 am

      @jjb54 And under Rubio’s plans, the minute 11 -15 million illegals are given amnesty they AUTOMATICALLY qualify for Social security, medicare, unemployment, food stamps, free phones, school lunches and everything else.

      They instantly qualify for everything, without ever having paid into the system like the rest of us had to. Ask your 28 y/o son how he feels about millions draining the system he’s worked to pay into and most likely causing it to collapse under the burden, so that he’ll NEVER see what he’s already paid into it.

      NONE of these “freebies” can be supported once illegals are given instant access to them. And once ANY amnesty is adopted, they will automatically become eligible.

      This will lead to the financial collapse of America, which is the plan of obama and his minions. Once our financial system collapses, they will then have the power to declare ANYTHING they want as necessary to rebuild America. Rubio is playing into their plans. I’d like to think unwittingly, but he’s still going to end up helping them and U.N.s agenda 21.

      Perhaps you can explain how (the already strapped) Social security, medicare, unemployment, food stamps and the rest can afford millions of brand new hands held out to get theirs?

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  19. mrickyridgeComment by mrickyridge
    February 13, 2013 @ 10:03 pm

    heyjjb54,

    There’s only one thing wrong with what your saying. It’s common sense and washington and most politicians don’t think in those terms. It’s easy to wastefully spend other peoples money. I got an idea, if they propose something and it fails they lose 10% of their salary, or if they actually don’t work or show up-NO PAY. What a concept. Congress shouldn’t get all those vacations, time offs, recesses etc. If they take off deduct that amount from their paychecks. They work part time so they should get paid part time. And no more wasteful expense accounts. That will save billions.

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    • jjb54Comment by jjb54
      February 14, 2013 @ 12:30 am

      I’ll add to that list – They have to LIVE UNDER all bills they pass. Imagine that … like those that VOTED >FOR< Obama Care HAVE TO LIVE UNDER OBAMA CARE … and I'd even go one step further … so do their family members. Oh, just imagine how that bill would have failed by a BIG MARGINE!

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