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Bullet tax proposal is new twist in gun-control debate

By Stateline

General manager Steve Alcairo holds a Winchester 1200 shotgun while being interviewed at High Bridge Arms Inc. in San Francisco, Wednesday, Dec. 19, 2012. (AP Photo/Jeff Chiu)

Stateline - The Newtown, Connecticut school shooting has reactivated many familiar gun-control measures at both the state and federal level, from assault weapons bans to universal background checks for gun purchasers. But it's also inspiring some new or mostly new ideas, including one in Connecticut: a hefty tax on bullets.

The Hartford Courant reported last week that two Democratic legislators were proposing a new 50 percent tax on bullets as part of a broader gun-control bill. The Connecticut legislation is one sign that the gun-control debate that the shootings will prompt next year in statehouses around the country could morph into an ammunition-control debate, too.

The idea of a bullet tax isn't totally original. In 1993, U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York proposed a 10,000 percent tax on one especially lethal type of bullet. Still, when Cook County, Illinois was considering a five-cent-per-bullet tax this fall, the Wall Street Journal reported that no state or local government had adopted one. Facing political resistance, Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle ultimately dropped the bullet tax proposal and instead imposed a new tax on gun purchases.

The Connecticut bill isn't the only proposal since the Newtown shooting to focus on bullets. Three Democratic legislators in Wisconsin have proposed banning hollow-point bullets, which cause more damage on impact than regular bullets. City officials in San Francisco have proposed banning them, too.

After the shooting, Marc Ambinder of The Week laid out the case for focusing on bullet control instead of gun control. "The 300 million guns that are in private hands aren't going away," Ambinder wrote. In contrast, he argued, ammunition is easier to restrict. "Guns are forever, but ammo degrades, even if stored in precisely proper conditions and humidors that criminals don't often have."

But those arguments aren't likely to win over gun-rights advocates. In objecting to the Cook County proposal, Wayne LaPierre, chief executive of the National Rifle Association, told the Journal that "the law-abiding people are the only people who will pay," while criminals would get their bullets elsewhere.

Already, some gun groups in Connecticut are making their opposition known. "We should be looking for solutions to the problems, not these asinine ideas," Robert Crook of the Connecticut Sportsmen's Alliance told the Connecticut Mirror. "I don't think ammunition is a health hazard. We use it in hunting. We use it in target shooting. I don't know how you can call it a health hazard, unless it's used in something like this Newtown shooting."

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  1. rattlerjakeComment by rattlerjake
    December 29, 2012 @ 10:01 am

    Just another illegal unconstitutional tax. Can’t tax reloading supplies because they are not bullets yet. So I’ll avoid any extra tax.

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    • EarlComment by earlw1
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:22 pm

      SHHHHHHH! Don’t give ‘em any ideas! It’ll just drive up loading supplies…….

      Besides the fact that frangible bullets don’t go thru people but rather stop and don’t penetrate walls, etc. as well as ball ammo does.

      I view it as an additional safety factor. After all, If you are allowed the use of deadly force, what’s the diff?? either way they will likely die anyway.. .22 cal. shooters take notice-since you buy in bricks of 1000. (.05 X 1000=!).

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    • freelynComment by freelyn
      December 29, 2012 @ 3:38 pm

      @rattlerjake – You got it man but just as you get around one anti-Freedom law, they make another. We are quickly approaching a crossroads and I think that our Founding Fathers warned us about this long ago.

      These aren’t new ideas, they are the same tired old rehashed **** from those who would take our Fundamental God Given Rights away, while lying to us as to why they want to do it.

      If you can’t take away the guns, take away the ammunition. Making ammunition more expensive just makes it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves, enjoy hunting and shooting sports, and stockpile ammunition in case our Government abolishes our U.S. Constitution. Which it is well on the way to corrupting beyond recognition, as they sell the lie of the Living Constitution.

      You are 8.5X more likely to be murdered by a knife or bare hands than by a rifle in this Country. You can’t ban violence, just as you can’t put up a sign in front of a school and say this is a drug free zone.

      WE THE PEOPLE, need to arm ourselves NOW and stockpile ammo for those guns. Teeth are the only think that the Socialists(Liberals, Progressives, etc.) understand and once your teeth are gone, look out for what the Socialists do in the name of fairness and equality for “all”.

      Of course, only the “all” that *they* deem worthy. This has played out over and over again through history and the only way it will end differently is if we are not blind to the end game that is coming.

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      December 29, 2012 @ 5:33 pm

      Earlw1 is right about hollow points. They are somewhat safer to use in a self- defense situation because they don’t penetrate a person to injure other unintended victims. Not that liberals really care. Our safety and the safety of our children isn’t important to them. They only care about themselves. We merely exist to serve them and as such, we’re expendable.

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    • blakeharComment by blakehar
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:53 pm

      Except that it’s neither illegal or unconstitutional.

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  2. jalan1964Comment by jalan1964
    December 29, 2012 @ 10:27 am

    It’s a really good idea, tho. How about a 1000% tax on bullets intended for use in committing a crime? Ought to raise about 2¢ and prevent ….. nothing.

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    • CharlieComment by vietnamvet
      December 29, 2012 @ 4:35 pm

      If a loaded round costs fifty cents, the proposed tax would bump it up to seventy-five cents.
      So, the mass shooter who pumps (say) 30 rounds into a theater/school/mall/pizza parlor burns up $21.50 instead of $15.00 worth of stolen ammo.

      Meanwhile, everybody is still just as dead, and the only people affected by the ‘control’ are those who MIGHT have been armed and able to stop him … but couldn’t afford ammunition.

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    • blakeharComment by blakehar
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:53 pm

      It is a good idea, you’re right.

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  3. LAPhilComment by LAPhil
    December 29, 2012 @ 10:27 am

    A bullet tax. Yeah, that makes sense. Now the criminals will just buy their bullets underground, just like their guns.

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    • jb80538Comment by jb80538
      December 29, 2012 @ 10:41 am

      No they’ll just steal the bullets when they steal the guns.

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    • blakeharComment by blakehar
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:53 pm

      Stupid logic.

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    • lexus1984Comment by lexus1984
      December 30, 2012 @ 5:29 am

      Stupid Troll ^^

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  4. fiddlerbobComment by fiddlerbob
    December 29, 2012 @ 10:33 am

    How can any tax on arms be Constitutional? The phrase “shall not be infringed” is not accompanied with any caveats or qualifiers.

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    • powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:03 pm

      When has government lately worried about the constitutionality of their actions? With the Supreme Court we have today…we are screwed!

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    • rattlerjakeComment by rattlerjake
      December 29, 2012 @ 6:29 pm

      It’s much like taxes on everything else. The Constitution is very specific about what taxes can be levied for – running government and safety of this nation; yet politicians have created more ways to waste tax dollars than a woman with a credit card. Funding investments, funding mortgages, funding insurance programs, funding loans, funding education, Unemployment and entitlement systems, giving untold billions away in foreign aid and disaster relief are all UNCONSTITUTIONAL spending, but who is stopping them? When the SHTF, we the people need to stop all of it once and for all!

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    • blakeharComment by blakehar
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:54 pm

      First of all, that amendment doesn’t apply to you, being that you’re not in a militia. Second, by that logic, all guns should be legal (including fully auto, etc.) and free.

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    • lexus1984Comment by lexus1984
      December 30, 2012 @ 5:14 am

      A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

      militia-commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service.

      Blakehar, So what you are telling me and our friend at the top here is that we are neither “ordinary citizens” or “people”? according to this the 2nd amendment applies to everyone.

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    • mlwartmanComment by mlwartman
      December 31, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

      @blakehar i might direct you to the 2008 SCOTUS ruling on DC vs Keller. the SCOTUS clearly identify the militia as ‘all males able to contribute to the common defense”… supreme court of the united states… 2008

      while you’re there, why don’t you go ahead and clear up another misconception you’re bound to have. read the part about the type of weapons that the SCOTUS, in 2008, decided are to be available to the militia. “in ordinary use at the time”, which means modern military weapons.

      i’m not going to argue the “all firearms should be legal” part of that statement… i happen to agree. the SCOTUS says different, while i don’t necessarily agree, the verbiage in the federalist papers and the 1939 united states vs miller ruling held that the right to bear arms to not apply to any and all arms, but only those that might be used by the militia or standing federal army. miller lost this case, having been charged after the 1934 national firearms act with possession of a sawed off shotgun. the court found (wrongly it soon admitted) that miller’s ownership and possession of a double barrel sawed off shotgun was not protected by the 2nd amendment, in that shotguns “weren’t in military use by the federal army”.. for a reason i have yet to investigate, miller’s lawyer wasn’t in court that day, or he could have rightly argued that the shotgun was indeed in used in the federal army. as a result, his sawed off shotgun should have been a protected weapon under the 2nd amendment. the panel later acknowledged this, but because the ruling have been delivered, the case could not be reopened and miller’s conviction stood.

      now, being an NFA item does not mean it’s banned. it means it’s more heavily regulated and you have to go through a lengthy identification process and pay a tax to own one. that means any pre-ban full-auto weapon can be bought (civilian manufacture of full auto firearms was banned in 1964) owned and used as a primary weapon. same with barrel length and sound suppressors. these 3 things make up the list of NFA small arms restrictions currently in place. even the 1994 assault weapons ban wasn’t a ban on actual types of rifles as much as it was on features… feinstein’s to blame for that one too.. confiscation is her stated goal. total, 100% confiscation of all civilian owned firearms..

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  5. mrparkerComment by mrparker
    December 29, 2012 @ 10:39 am

    The demonrat nutjobs in Wisconsin don’t have a prayer for that to succeed. With WI’s preemption law, local democrats would go down too.

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  6. Jota_Comment by Jota_
    December 29, 2012 @ 10:48 am

    And NOT a p e nny collected from it will even make a single child in any school, anywhere, safer from the next madman

    We know gun free zones are madman magnets, because it means ZERO risk to them. Give them a reason to doubt, however small, and reduce the risk to everyone else and increase it to the madman.

    Even a gun in a locked safe is better than no gun at all. The chance it can protect is greater than ZERO

    We know for a fact the gun free zones, place all with in one, at a significantly higher risk of being shot by a madman than anywhere else.

    And the first thing which needs to be done to cause doubt in a madman’s mind

    Change the signs from Gun Free Zone to
    Zone of Highly Protected Premises

    NOW, the madman now needs to guess HOW

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    • dmttbt6Comment by dmttbt6
      December 29, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

      Yes the criminals and murderers are the only ones who will not be affected by this tax. No I am wrong about that, they will have a much easier time killing people when they don’t worry about John Q Public shooting back.
      Go to Walmart and try to buy some 25 caliber rounds. i am betting they will not have them. I have tried 3 times and have only the ones I got a long time ago.

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    • blakeharComment by blakehar
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:56 pm

      Actually I can guarantee you most of that will probably go to education and the like. Not that it matters because restricting and banning guns keeps kids safer.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 30, 2012 @ 12:08 am

      blakehar …. Please consider that all schools in America are ‘gun free zones’ then review the following web page and come back and explain how “..restricting and banning guns keeps kids safer.”

      http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

      Perhaps you can also explain how none of the shooters was in violation of already existing law.

      Restricting guns does not keep any one safe. It only makes targets of innocent people and disables any attempt to protect them. It would seem that the “gun free zoning” of our public schools has had the effect of allowing people who do not respect or honor gun laws to kill indiscriminately, kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. You may not like that analogy, so I’ll give you another one: Taking guns from honest, responsible people is akin to tying up the shepherd so the wolves can have free run of the sheep. I don’t mean to be to personal, but it seems to me that any one capable of figuring out a dropped hammer will hit the floor ought to be able to figure these things out.

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  7. diamondjimComment by diamondjim
    December 29, 2012 @ 11:05 am

    OMG! DEMOCRATS want to TAX something?? Who would have EVER thunk it! Raising the cost of target shooting and hunting to have zero effect on crime..sounds like a typical liberal idea, alright. How much ammo to they think criminals actually buy and/or use in Connecticut each year?? And do they think making ammo more expensive is going to stop them from buying it, or better yet buying it in another state? If they want to really go for the big bucks, they should put a 1,000% tax on golf *****. Probably raise more money and have about the same effect on the crime rate.
    What a bunch of idiots!

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  8. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    December 29, 2012 @ 11:08 am

    Me thinks that this is just a ploy to get us past the swearing in for the second time, the Commander in Chief of Nut Jobs who was supposed to be of the Armed Forces instead.
    Collecting taxes on bullets is nothing new for congress, they have been doing that to Social Security for years. They collect the tax now and use it instead of using it for something collected for in the future. Outside of congress it is called a felony.

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  9. msgtazComment by msgtaz
    December 29, 2012 @ 11:08 am

    I have an idea I think you will like, lets start voting out the gun grabbing politicians. We should be able to win because that is the way Obama got his votes, with ONE ISSUE VOTERS. WE THE PEOPLE

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:15 am

      msgtaz … unfortunately, Obama won on a multitude of single issues: free college tuition, free abortions, free health care, free money, free cell phones, free food stamps, free run of the country to illegals, freedom to overturn the whole concept of marriage and family. For gun rights people to win an election on that single issue is impossible because you would also have to sell the concept of personal responsibility. In case you haven’t noticed, those who want to ‘spread the wealth around’ (Obama’s premier single issue) have absolutely no interest in spreading responsibility around. On that basis, gun rights advocates are highly outnumbered. :(

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    • powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

      Kidd is right…Obozo made so many promises to so many people he essentially created a new sub-party of the “takers”.

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    • deadmanwalkingComment by deadmanwalking
      December 29, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

      Kidd is absolutely right….****** has all of these splinter groups he has made big promises to….the queers, the blacks, the unions, the hispanics…..we have allowed these minoritiy groups to grow to such a level in this country that combined they now out-number us. None of these groups care about this nation as a whole, but only what they can get for free. They have turned JFK’s message around to “ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you”. What a disgusting mess we have allowed America to become. And it all started with removing God from our classroooms.

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    • blakeharComment by blakehar
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:57 pm

      You are completely wrong.

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  10. kskiddComment by kskidd
    December 29, 2012 @ 11:09 am

    Four things you can count on from the Democrats:

    1) Never let a crises go to waste.
    2) Never miss a chance to declare a crises.
    3) Never miss a chance to raise taxes.
    4) Never, never, never, never fail to turn tragedy into a political issue that can be used to promote increased government control and decreased freedom in America.

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    • blakeharComment by blakehar
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:57 pm

      You’re pretty much damn right. And for good reasons.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 30, 2012 @ 12:23 am

      Liberals always believe there are good reasons for lying, cheating, stealing, misleading, manipulating, confiscating, oppressing, enslaving, character assassination and the like.

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  11. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    December 29, 2012 @ 11:14 am

    Tax your gun, Tax your bullets, spend the taxes collected on something else. That is being held up. Being held up is a felony. Call your Department of Justice and report it. Let us know how far you got with that. It would be easier if you just called them first and asked for a gun and bullets for free.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:22 am

      Uh ….. LOL. The way liberals in our government do business, it probably would be easier to get guns and bullets for free.

      Don’t believe it? Ask Mexican drug dealers

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  12. lynninvaComment by lynninva
    December 29, 2012 @ 11:21 am

    This is typical of the Democrats to scream bloody murder over gun control after the horror of Newtown. All the while, millions of innocents are destroyed and never see the light of day due to abortion. It is not that I am not against free choice, but not as a regular means of birth control or a government sponsored one. Nor do I condone what happened to those poor kids (Why didn’t his mother lock those weapons up if he was clearly troubled?). It is the Democrats’ hypocrisy that leaves me wondering how they even function.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:47 am

      “It is the Democrats’ hypocrisy that leaves me wondering how they even function.”

      The answer to that is simple: Even among hypocrites, one hand washes the other. Even hypocrites love their own and, to borrow a phrase, “a threefold cord is not quickly broken”. Liberals in the White House, liberals in Congress and liberals on the Supreme Court. That’s how they function.

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    • lynninvaComment by lynninva
      December 29, 2012 @ 11:51 am

      But not too well, I should think. Look at the state of things.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

      lynninva, they are not interested in “the state of things”. The only thing they are interested in is the state of their own power. From that perspective, theirs, the state of things is very good. For those who love freedom and the United States Constitution, things are in the pits, which is exactly what the Democrats want. I know, it’s not supposed to be that way, but the sad fact is, it is exactly that way. Another sad fact is that there are to many elected Republicans with an “That’s ok with me” attitude, which is another part of the answer to the question, how do Democrat hypocrites function?”

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    • powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

      Oh now you have gone and done it…mentioning the left’s thirst for genocide of the unprotected!

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 29, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

      lynninva;
      I believe she had most of her guns locked in a gun safe. This is just a guess,but I think she,like many gun owners,had a handgun under a pillow or on the nightstand while she slept;he got that gun and shot her,stole the keys to the car and the gun safe,and went on with his plan. The AR-15 wasn’t used in the shootings;it was found still in the car.

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  13. outspoken2Comment by outspoken2
    December 29, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

    Dhimmi DemoCRATic politicians have got to be the dumbest most stupid people to ever walk this earth. And why the sheeple keep electing them, well that’s got to be the $64,000.00 question.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:29 pm

      I would call them anti-capitalistic, anti-freedom, even un-American or anti-American among a bunch of other things, but I wouldn’t call them dumb or stupid. the fact is, they are the top dogs right now. If they are dumb and stupid, what does that make the rest of us? What they are: geniuses with the proud look (note the superior look on the face of Obama as he does his “moral pontification” thing), with the spreading of false witness with lying tongues, (can any one seriously question that?)at sponsoring hands that shed innocent blood, (not only abortion, but disarming honest, responsible people and opening doors for those who use guns for violent criminal purposes) at devising all manner of means to support and defend wickedness (pornography, same sex marriage) at running to mischief, (every evil thing that happens is a stepping stone to power for them) and at sowing discord among brothers (By continually seeking to alter, change, ignore the constitution, by continually introducing more and more injustice and indecency and by their assaults on anything Christian.)

      I wish they were stupid. That would make them easy to beat. The fact is, liberalism behind ever evil think happening in our society today. Not only are they not stupid, they are, on average, a whole lot more patient than the rest of us. They will repeat a lie for decades, until enough people believe it to make it “truth”. If you can convince enough people over the decades that grass is purple, then grass becomes purple for all practical intents and purposes. Any one saying grass is not purple, it’s green is just a colorophobic bigot.

      No, so long as their methods work, they are not stupid. Evil is a better word for what they are.

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    • BadgerComment by Badger
      January 1, 2013 @ 10:33 am

      KSKidd you put the hammer square on the nails head … that’s one of the reasons it’s gotten this far. These liberals are anything but dumb .. at least the puppet masters. Most of their foot soldiers out here are illiterate fools … but the DC liberals are intellectually elite albeit evil to the core … Guys like Schumer and Waxman, they remind me of little wimps who were pushed around in school and then made hall monitors, then once saftly behind the teachers skirt take great satisfaction at forcing everyone else to live by their rules …. those two stand the hair up on the back of my neck like fingernails om a chalkboard when I listen to them … what kind of idiot would have voted for either one of them.

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  14. powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
    December 29, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

    It is really quit simple folks,,,the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun! The government simpletons want to now redefine who is bad and who is good.

    That was what the newspaper in the the NE tried last week by publishing all the locations of lawful gun owners on a map. Redefine the topic…it is the Obozo approach…just as the communist used in Russia the turn of the 20th century and the Nazi’s used under Hitler.

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 29, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

      power;
      We gun owners should all thank that reporter who published that list. By pointing out to criminals where NOT to go to commit their crimes,he also pointed out where the UNARMED FUTURE VICTIMS live. So,in effect,he just sold out the Democrats big time. Since the criminals know where the guns ARE,it’ll be up to us to make sure if any crooks are stupid enough to try to STEAL ‘em,they get to be an example to their peers of what happens when you screw with gun owners,if ya know what I mean.

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  15. lynninvaComment by lynninva
    December 29, 2012 @ 12:22 pm

    @kskidd…Just because we don’t like the state of things doesn’t mean we should sit idly by and watch the left steer us to the road to hell. We are a Republic, which means the majority doesn’t have the right to power over the minority. We CAN speak up and make our voices heard!

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

      lynninva, …. agreed, Absolutely. Only one thing: I do not believe they ARE the majority. I believe what we see today is the minority ruling over the majority. Why? Because the minority is capable of any kind of injustice, unfairness, deceit and the majority are honest and decent people who play by the rules. It is difficult for people who play by the rules to win any game against people who do not.

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    • lynninvaComment by lynninva
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

      They were enough of a majority to put this usurper in the White House back in office. Of course, most of them can’t think past the freebies they are getting, or the color of this guy’s skin.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

      Have you noticed how little attention is given to the issue of voter fraud? districts where Obama got 140% (If I remember correctly) of the vote? Multiple districts where Romney did not get a single vote? How many places can an illegal vote without photo proof of ID? How many times can a person vote if ID is not required? How about that New Black Panther Party? Why are they not arrested and prosecuted? I can’t help but wonder, how many times did Mickey Mouse vote this time around? How many dead people voted? How many family dogs voted? How many voting machines were hacked into and the count altered? Again, why is NO ONE talking about all this? Until we can insure that our voting process really works, every other issue is second to the issue of voter fraud. Like I said, it is difficult to win any game when the other team has a license to cheat, make up their own rules, decide what rules apply and what rules don’t. Being great at cheating, stealing and lying does not prove one is in the majority.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 12:56 pm

      PS @ lynninva “…Of course, most of them can’t think past the freebies they are getting, or the color of this guy’s skin.” … you are absolutely right about that. Of course, I trust you are aware that being right, to those on the left, only proves that you are racist. LOL

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    • lynninvaComment by lynninva
      December 29, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

      I know kidd….Being a racist is the standard reaction from those who don’t agree.

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 29, 2012 @ 3:58 pm

      Speaking to kskidd’s comment on the rampant voter fraud;
      On these forums I comment on,I’m very surprised this subject isn’t discussed more. I’m starting to wonder if it’s just that Conservatives have given up on the possibility of seeing Justice done on this subject. (It’s hard to feel optimistic,with the Government,and especially the US Supreme Court,stacked so overwhelmingly AGAINST Justice.)
      In the News Media it’s a lot more simple-Media is burying it because it could conceivably invalidate the whole Election,and the Liberals can’t have THAT.

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      December 29, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

      truckman, regarding the lack of discussion about voter fraud, I think you are on to something in thinking that people have just given up. I think people have given up on a lot of things that clearly spell that the government is no longer of the people, by the people or FOR the people. It took a long time and it was a long hard fight to get the work out and supply facts and figures about illegal immigration, for example. Yet, when it came time to do something, everything just got swept underneath the carpet like it never existed. I think these bigger problems were deliberately created on the backs of the things that, had they been solved years ago, would have prevented the mess we are in today. Gun control, although it is a giant piece of today’s puzzle, was not a big enough deal for Uncle Sam to worry about before the other bigger parts of the puzzle were covered in enough muck to make them seem irrelevant by comparison.

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    • rattlerjakeComment by rattlerjake
      December 29, 2012 @ 6:45 pm

      It’s not just the voter fraud that has given many a reason to throw in the towel. It is largely the fact that even thought there is overwhelming evidence that Obuthead is an illegal himself – fraudulent birth certificate, fraudulent social security number, and all records sealed – and that our government officials have refused to take this evidence and indict and prosecute this *** causes many to wonder what can be done. I for one can’t wait for the STHTF, as i have no problem eliminating all who don’t stand behind our Constitution. Socialism is a mental disorder and there is no cure for it other than lead poisoning!

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  16. wedeyComment by wedey
    December 29, 2012 @ 1:12 pm

    They think they have the solution. Just like cigarettes, you get them bootlegged cheaper and don’t pay any tax. Remember prohibition, the government wasn’t getting any tax on booze but there was plenty of it. Believe me, they will get their ammo one way or another.And when the govt figures they can get more money from us, they will repeal whatever they can to control the money.

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  17. gnafuComment by gnafu
    December 29, 2012 @ 1:15 pm

    Reading all of the ideas about how to stop “crime,” it is amazing that so few have considered returning to morals. H.L. Mencken once said: “…the state doesn’t just want to make you obey. It tries to make you WANT to obey. And, that’s one thing the government schools do very well.” And, that is where morals come in. When Big Government steps into the picture of Education, one can expect total mayhem! Among other government departments, The Federal Department of Education needs to be abolished. The education of our children needs to be brought back to individual States and Parents. Children won’t have to leave their morals at home and be indoctrinated as children of the federal government. A One World Union means that God and Jesus Christ must go. Is that what we really want for our children, our country? Look around and see the results of such! Sandy Hook was finally a good wake-up call to many but that community and others didn’t see the real cause of what is happening; ban guns was the first idea, not realizing that banning guns does not begin to touch the problems with our public school systems. Atheists and agnostics have their own agenda and they are the minority. Why then should our school systems listen to the minority and not the majority? Because, we allow the minority to dictate how children receive their education! Atheists don’t care about the Constitution, they want to under-mine childrens’ and adults’ values and morals!The Constitution was created with God given natural rights in mind and atheists don’t believe in God so why would they declare separation of Church and Schools? Their conspiracy to totally remove God is the answer. Getting to the direct subject about taxing gun ammunition: Does anyone in their right mind think that crimes will stop with higher taxation? This is still another ploy to put Big Government in charge of everything we say and do while crimes will flourish. Take a good look at Chicago where guns are forbidden! They have over two hundred murders a year. Does anyone actually think that “criminals” pay any attention to laws? Does anyone think that they will purchase their ammunition? guns? Many crimes by immoral people will happen without good morals brought back into our public school systems and I’m sticking to my belief on that one.

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 29, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

      gnafu;
      I agree with your suggestion of returning to Morals;the problem is that’s not something we can make happen quickly. People can’t be forced into being morally responsible-they have to grow into that behavior. The solutions we seek right now are things that can help NOW. (When you’re bailing to keep your ship from sinking,that’s not the time to redesign the hull.)
      The morality issue threads through a line of other issues that need to be addressed at the same time,or first. With a good,healthy Economy,America could eventually get back to having a single income family being possible. If Religion can become more prevalent in America’s day to day lives,(including prayers in school and the end of removal of all God related references in public places)better morals and values would come back. Along with that,we would hope,would come values that are more about doing what’s right than doing what gets us the most stuff. There’s a lot more,but I think you get my drift.
      The most IMMEDIATE steps we can take is to end “GUN FREE ZONES”,train,voluntarily,Teachers and School Administrators in firearm use,safety and skill and arm them on School grounds,and carry the “Train and Arm” idea over to other places where groups or crowds exist. Next is to completely re-vamp the Mental Health system and re-open the asylums,from which many patients are now walking free,their “control” balanced on a loosely monitored meds program to keep them “Normal”.

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    • gnafuComment by gnafu
      December 29, 2012 @ 9:46 pm

      truckman>> I understand what you are saying. I am looking at only the cause and not the immediate remedy. There are a lot of honorably discharged Military people out there looking for jobs. They are well trained. If schools/parents would hire them, that would possibly not involve Big Government or Unions. Just a thought. Thanks.

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  18. cokeacolaComment by cokeacola
    December 29, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

    Republicans got suckered into their own fear mongering before, will they do it again?

    Think I’ll drop a few grand into Winchester . . . !

    S U C K E R S!

    ROFLMMFAO!

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  19. geoinsdComment by geoinsd
    December 29, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

    This tax is yet another data point showing that the politicians are just full of bull and not sincere in actually solving any problems. An ammo tax would have ZERO impact on massacres other than maybe raising a few dollars in revenue from the killer but cost innocent law abiding people thousands or millions. Would anyone like to bet that the government would actually do anything substantive to reduce crime with the money raised?

    Give our politicians any pretense to take our money and/or liberties and they will do it.

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      December 29, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

      The thing that mystifies me is WHY do they constantly feel the need to punish law abiding citizens when crimnals do wrong? This gun”control” debate is a perfect example of that scenario! Not one person who has a registered firearm has EVER committed such a crime that I am aware of.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 4:22 pm

      @ Grouchy one … I sometimes think they don’t give a rip about law abiding citizens one way or another. They don’t try to punish us, they just don’t care if they do. What they care about is appeasing the morons with thinking processes about as deep as a bottle cap who vote for them. I kind of think that if the truth were known, that’s the only thing in the world they care about… well, that, and how can they use their positions to gain even more money and power. Of course, I have to consider that some of them really are Marxist, communist wannbes who think they do a service to mankind by enslaving any one who thinks God gave individual the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      December 29, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

      excellent point, kskid :)

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    • truckmanComment by truckman
      December 29, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

      Very true,geoinsd. I saw it mentioned that the money raised would be minimal for any of the purposes they said it would be used for.
      Grouchy One;
      This all comes back to one simple concept. GUN CONTROL really has nothing to do with GUNS. It’s ALL about CONTROL. Looking back through History,the more illicit,crooked and oppressive a Government is,the more critical it is to take away the citizens’ guns. (Also their land ownership and their ability to communicate with other populations-Agenda 21) The “citizens” are much easier to control if they can’t shoot you.
      I just saw a video called “Agenda”;you should find it on the internet and watch it. It’s a real eye-opener.

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  20. Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
    December 29, 2012 @ 3:32 pm

    Well, you KNOW they are always seeking out new taxes to sock it to the people.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 29, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

      @ Grouchy One … ain’t that the truth. They tax us for earning money, then they tax us for buying what we buy with the money we earned, then they tax us for owning what we bought with the money we earned, on a yearly basis. If we sell it, someone else has to pay another tax on it. If we die, they tax our estate because we died and then just go on taxing our heirs for owning it, on a yearly basis. One fine day, they got together and said to themselves “What else can we tax them on? They are so stupid, they already let us tax them on every thing under the sun.” And some bright one, a Democrat, no doubt, said “I have an idea! Let’s tax them for being stupid!” So they invented the lottery, which is a state run tax on stupidity. Every time they have a huge jackpot, I win … by keeping my money (well, the money they let me keep, any way.)

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      December 29, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

      kskid, I am really amazed that they haven’t found a way to install meters on newborn babies when they are born to tax us for the air that we breathe……….. Oh wait! we already are taxed on the air we breathe and we have the EPA as our watchdog and we pay them, too.

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  21. dmttbt6Comment by dmttbt6
    December 29, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

    What branch of the government just bought an amazing amount of amunition? I say amazing amount because it is a section that has no use for weapons.

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  22. gunnygComment by gunnyg
    December 29, 2012 @ 8:22 pm

    Likewise, we should heavily tax ink and toner, and their cartridges should be limited to allow civilians no more than 10 pages of printing, to ensure that any future Ted Kaczynskis or Adolph Hitlers are precluded from writing their manifestos…

    (Attn: all RINO legislators,

    That was all meant as sarcasm)

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    • CarmineComment by Carmine
      December 30, 2012 @ 12:57 pm

      It may be sarcasm, but quit giving them ideas.

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  23. Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
    December 29, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

    Oh, maybe it was meant as sarcasm but it makes as much sense as taxing bullets. LOL

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