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NRA calls for armed police officer in every school

By Philip Elliott

WASHINGTON (AP) - The nation's largest gun-rights lobby called Friday for armed police officers to be posted in every American school to stop the next killer "waiting in the wings."

The National Rifle Association broke its silence on last week's shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that left 26 children and staff dead.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the group's top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference.

LaPierre said "the next Adam Lanza," the man responsible for last week's mayhem, is planning an attack on another school.

"How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave, while provoking others to try to make their mark," LaPierre said. "A dozen more killers, a hundred more? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?"

 

 

He blamed video games, movies and music videos for exposing children to a violent culture day in and day out. "In a race to the bottom, many conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate, and offend every standard of civilized society, by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty right into our homes," LaPierre said.

He refused to take any questions after speaking. Though security was tight, two protesters were able to interrupt LaPierre's speech, holding up signs that blamed the NRA for killing children. Both were escorted out, shouting that guns in schools are not the answer.

LaPierre announced that former Rep. Asa Hutchison, R-Ark., will lead an NRA program that will develop a model security plan for schools that relies on armed volunteers.

The 4.3 million-member NRA largely disappeared from public debate after the shootings in Newtown, Conn., choosing atypical silence as a strategy as the nation sought answers after the rampage. The NRA temporarily took down its Facebook page and kept quiet on Twitter.

Since the slayings, President Barack Obama has demanded "real action, right now" against U.S. gun violence and called on the NRA to join the effort. Moving quickly after several congressional gun-rights supporters said they would consider new legislation to control firearms, the president said this week he wants proposals to reduce gun violence that he can take to Congress by January.

Obama has already asked Congress to reinstate an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and pass legislation that would stop people from purchasing firearms from private sellers without a background check. Obama also has indicated he wants Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity magazines.

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  1. mbmbcsComment by mbmbcs
    December 21, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

    Ironically, the same people who favor abortion are usually in favor of more restrictions, or even a ban, on gun ownership.

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    • rosecoatsComment by rosecoats
      December 21, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

      Right you are, the protestors mentioned in the article were members of a group called “Code Pink”, a pro-abortion group.

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    • goodforallComment by goodforall
      December 21, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

      Sadly, there are now more morons living in our Country than people who still value the Constitution. They always said America would be destroyed from within. By re-electing the dictator in chief for another term, my point has been validated. I am afraid it is over for us. I feel so sorry for my nephews who will never know hoe great this Country used to be.

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    • stopspendingComment by stopspending
      December 21, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

      I think if politicians complain that they do not want armed security in schools, they should also agree to no armed security around them, their offices, courthouses, Whitehouse, etc. Why is it OK to protect our elected officials with guns but not our children? Another self serving political trick.

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    • odayterrenceComment by odayterrence
      December 21, 2012 @ 7:08 pm

      Exactly! Many pro-choice people want to see law-abiding citizens disarmed. What about the consequences to them? A future administration could be an extremist conservative one. Ruling a country where the citizens are disarmed. Result? There goes the rights of pro-choice people, and they have no say in the matter…because they demanded to be disarmed.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 21, 2012 @ 9:35 pm

      It’s quite amazing the COPIOUS tears the liberals have shed over the 20 children of Sandy Hook, but can’t spare a single tear for the MILLIONS murdered by abortion every year.

      Liberals are insane. Logic and reason are NOT in them. And now that they have control of the government, we have the lunatics in charge of the asylum, with predictable results.

      Please understand I am NOT minimizing the horror we all feel about the deaths of those sweet children and their courageous teachers, or the sympathy and compassion we feel for the families they left behind./

      But I am BEYOND disgusted at the stupidity of liberals about cause and effect in these situations, and it is difficult to express my utter CONTEMPT for those, like Obama, who are trying to climb to greater power on the bodies of those children. Now THAT, friends, is EVIL. WHY do people let him get away with this stuff?

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  2. LAPhilComment by LAPhil
    December 21, 2012 @ 2:44 pm

    As fashionable as it’s becoming to blame violent video games, music, movies, and television, there is no evidence that these things contribute to the mass killings. The people who commit the killings may indulge in these passions, but they have to have a screw loose to begin with. If there were a true causal relationship we would see a lot more Newtown-type incidents than we have.

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    • inluminatuoComment by inluminatuo
      December 21, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

      If people believe in free lunches, spending more than you earn, Secular Half American Messiahs, as well as the tooth fairy, what makes you think they don’t believe violent video games and Liberal Media TV are not real? Yes we probably do need to put a cop in every school. Better there than the donut shop since they are on the payroll anyway. Get them off the streets where they just become Liberal Government approriators of wealth via fines and traffic tickets that just finance more social experiments in legal government theft, and YES, put them into the schools to do what they were really hired for,,,protect and serve.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      December 21, 2012 @ 3:58 pm

      Inluminatuo, what would you do, ban the sale of violent video games? Isn’t that the same kind of thinking as “it’s not the people, it’s the guns, therefore we need to ban them”? I think normal kids know the difference between fantasy and reality, and those don’t have some real problems, which may make them potential Adam Lanzas. And how can you put video games in the same category as free lunches and the liberal media?

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    • vevaComment by veva
      December 21, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

      “… they have to have a screw loose to begin with…”, and “…normal kids know the difference between fantasy and reality,…”. You mean they are born with a screw loose? Babies become chldren who become someone with a “screw loose”. And many things cause that to happen – everything they hear, see and learn. And if there is NO real support for them when it is needed – well. It takes years of neglect. Children have “bad” dreams. Dreams that frighten them, terribly. Children cannot tell the difference between good and bad, fantasy and reality. Its not automatic. They should not be looking at such stuff. That’s what parents are for, giving constant guidance and love, over many years, developing confidence and ability to judge what something is or is not. But constant violence with deaths of humans insensitizes peoples, adults as well as chldren. It becomes the “norm”. Ask policemen, pathologists, ER people. Hire returning vets, experts in handling guns and making judgements. Make them visible outside and in schools. Make it known to all what will happen if anyone threatens them. And don’t sell X and R rated videos to minors! Do an ID check’ first, just like for alcohol and cigarettes!

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 21, 2012 @ 9:47 pm

      I hate to bring this up, but putting an armed officer in each school is NOT going to happen, if you rely on city police depts. The fact is, the War on Drugs consumes such a LARGE share of the country’s law enforcement resources that there is little left for trifles like public safety, crime prevention, etc.

      The War on Drugs is just as big a disaster as Prohibition. All the War on Drugs has done is made illegal drug making and dealing INSANELY profitable, and because of that, NOTHING the “authorities” can do is going to make a difference. The War on Drugs gave us drug cartels, carnage in the street while dealers fight over turf, and 70% of violent crime is connected with addicts trying to get money to buy drugs at street prices, or dealers fighting for territory.

      Some people will use drugs, no matter what. Even if they WANT to get clean, unless you have very good medical insurance, you can’t afford drug treatment, and there are fewer and fewer “free” drug treatment centers all the time. The question is, who really benefits from trying to get between these people and the drugs they want?

      IF the drugs were legal, they could be produced under laboratory condtions to medical tolerances, and deaths by overdose would be greatly reduced. How many jobs would be created to produce, package and distribute drugs legally? Addicts would no longer have to pay “street” prices for drugs, so “street crime” would be greatly reduced.

      Taxes generated by legal drug sales could be used to provide first class drug treatment for anybody who wants and needs it. Some people will use drugs whether they are legal or not. That is a fact. I seriously doubt that hordes of people are going to run out and start mainlining heroin just because it’s “legal”.

      But the most IMPORTANT benefit of all this is the police and law enforcement agencies could go back to working for public safety and crime prevention, getting pedophiles off the street and locked up, etc. etc. instead of spending all their time chasing pot smokers, small-time drug dealers, etc. The truly dangerous criminals are turned loose all the time because of prison overcrowding. WHY are the prisons so overcrowded? Because of the War on Drugs!

      today, the War on Drugs continues for ONE reason: The people in the DEA and others charged with administering the War on Drugs make a nice living doing so–and really, if they actually WON the “War on Drugs”, what would become of them, then? This is a recipe for a no-win situation that is costing us dearly in so many other ways. We need to STOP the madness and quit trying to legislate the impossible dream of eliminating illegal drugs. There is only ONE way to eliminate illegal drugs, and that is to remove the profit motive for making/selling them. And THAT can only be accomplished by legalization. All the DEA agents and firepower in the world cannot change that simple fact.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 21, 2012 @ 10:40 pm

      To LAPhil and Inluminatuo:

      There is one element missing from BOTH your arguments, gentlemen, and that is PARENTS. PARENTS need to stop using video games and TV as baby sitters and PARENT their children. Just say “no” to violent games that glorify murder with flying blood and guts. Children have NO business being immersed in such images! Video games are rated. Pay ATTENTION to the ratings. If a game rating is “mature”, you probably should not buy it for a 12-year-old!

      Our grandson lives with us, and he keeps asking for “Grand Theft Auto” games, and I keep saying NO. He says WHY, and I tell him because those games glorify crime and criminal values and immersing yourself in that “world” conditions you to think that behavior is OK, when it is NOT. So the answer is STILL no.

      Just consider how insidiously TV has changed our society. Living together without marriage used to be considered shocking. Then came “Three’s Company” and pretty soon, virtually EVERYBODY in EVERY TV show was “living together” and portraying it as the norm. And gradually, people became desensitized to the point that it BECAME the norm.

      They’ve done this with any number of OTHER issues. Notice how every TV show has one or more gay characters, and these are portrayed as “the norm”? This is the SAME brainwashing tactic at work. And I believe that certain kinds of video games can have the same type of effect, though I’m not sure if that is to blame for mass murderers like Adam Lanza. Video games may play a PART, but I believe there is something already seriously WRONG in their heads, that make it impossible for these nuts to separate fantasy from reality.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 22, 2012 @ 12:09 am

      “I hate to bring this up, but putting an armed officer in each school is NOT going to happen” – oleteabag

      Nor does putting an armed officer in each school need to happen

      All that needs to happen is change the chance of getting shot from ZERO to an unknown number

      It works every where else for law enforcement, creating doubt, but in our schools, where we have our most priceless jewels, we boldly tell the world they are unprotected

      And after having the most horrendous murder of beautiful, priceless jewels ever, we as a nation want to continue with some thing so stupid it is beyond comprehension, how one can cling to such a false ideal thinking the next time it will work defies reason

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      December 22, 2012 @ 11:58 am

      oleteabag:
      I can’t disagree with anything you said here. Yes, the parents do bear a considerable responibility for what their children are exposed to, and even though I’m opposed to any outright ban of violent video games, I wouldn’t object to a rating system like we current have with movies. In fact there may already be one, I’m not really into video games myself so I wouldn’t know.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 23, 2012 @ 1:13 am

      Yes, LAPhil, there IS a ratings system. i believe they are rated E for Everyone, T for Teens or M for Mature. I’m not real up on the requirements for each rating level, except I used to look for “everyone” games for my grandkids, and they were not nearly as many of those as there were “teen” and “mature”.

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  3. Jota_Comment by Jota_
    December 21, 2012 @ 2:44 pm

    Gun free zones do nothing but make children sitting ducks for every madman with a deranged motive, to victimize them all, for the insane reason the madman will share the ideology by respecting a gun free zone

    A failure to protect is not just negligence but complicity

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    • patriots1776Comment by patriots1776
      December 21, 2012 @ 3:13 pm

      And you can thank our government for this. These gun free zones are the most dangerous place to be.

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    • gopluvaComment by gopluva
      December 21, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

      Jota, and OPatriots1776I think your right.I havent been to the theater in a long time just because I think crowded places are a danger nowadays.Since 9-11-01.I dont believe crummy video games cause kids or adults to do these crimes or considering the amount of people that play them there would be lots more killings.I think you can blame the media for a lot of it because the media glorifies it by having it on the news 24/7 .Put the news on, report it then leave it alone.Armed volunteers sounds good. Someone I know suggested Vets. They know weapons and they can use the money.

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  4. americanjoeComment by americanjoe
    December 21, 2012 @ 2:56 pm

    In my opinion, there should be no restrictions on where you can carry as long as you have a CHL or equivalent. If the teachers want to carry, they should be able to, with proper training and license. One police officer in a school is not enough if you have multiple assailants.

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    • texasteddieComment by texasteddie
      December 21, 2012 @ 3:32 pm

      Israel (whose security is 99% better and less invasive than ours, especially at airports) has armed teachers or aides in every single classroom; usually females dressed very casually. People in USA –especially these poor ignorant fools who want to disarm citizens– are totally naive about the dangers our children are facing. Everybody knows what has happened to countries or states who disarm their citizens: criminals and madmen take over; as guns go ‘underground’ and into their hands!

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  5. steveh1001Comment by steveh1001
    December 21, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

    For texasteddie: I agree we can learn alot from the Israelis when it comes to dealing with security issues. I believe the approach favored by the NRA spokesman is in line with the (very successful) Israeli policy and makes alot of sense. It’s a shame we have to got to such lengths to protect the innocent from harm, but this is our new reality.

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    • MichaelComment by Michael
      December 21, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

      You cannot ignore the economics of this. The Israelis pay 30% marginal tax rate at $45,000 of income and 48% marginal tax rate at $125,000 of income. Also, Israel get $billions a year from us. They have no choice but to pay for this security, but it is very expensive.

      Also, pretty much everyone, including women, is subject to the military conscription (draft), which I think is a good idea actually, but not something that Congress has supported recently.

      According to Wikipedia, there are 120,000 schools in the US. If you assume $100,000 per school per year for armed security, which is low, that would be $12 billion. Will Congress support this? Also, this does not include all the church run nursery schools and things like that.

      And what is to prevent the crazy person from waiting until school is out and then shooting up a school bus? Having someone literally riding shotgun on every school bus would probably put the price tag at $100 billion.

      Israel has high taxes and gets billions from the US and has a small population. Taxes are high enough in the US. At the end of the day, the US public will not be willing to pay for the Israeli approach.

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    • really926Comment by really926
      December 21, 2012 @ 6:40 pm

      Micheal……who said anything about paying for the armed guards??
      All you gun toting cowboys think you have the answer for what happened. I feel if you want to keep your assault rifles, carry your side arms and continue using high capacity clips, then everyone of you should VOLUNTEER one day a week at a school of your choice to do so!

      As far as video games, music videos and television…..what is the purpose of games with such violence?
      Kids are sponges, they absorb everything they see and hear.

      I do however agree with one part of the original article, our country need to do something more about mental health.

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    • odayterrenceComment by odayterrence
      December 21, 2012 @ 7:15 pm

      really926 – I’ve been an educator for 28 years. I am experienced with firearms and firearm safety. I’m just as upset about Sandy Hook as anyone. If our laws would stop making schools gun-free zones, I’d happily be one of those volunteering to be armed to protect our students.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 21, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

      “You cannot ignore the economics of this”"120,000 schools in the US. If you assume $100,000 per school per year for armed security, which is low, that would be $12 billion.” – Michael

      http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/data/demographic.html

      Roughfully 60 million school age children

      12 billion divided by 60 million

      $200

      180 days school year

      a little better than a dollar per day per student

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    • MichaelComment by Michael
      December 21, 2012 @ 10:00 pm

      OK Jota, a dollar per day per student. It is still $12 billion. And if you put armed security on every school bus it is probably 8 or 10 dollars per day per student. And if you put armed security in ever classroom, like Chris Christie says is necessary, it is probably 20 dollars per day per student, which is real money.

      The US taxpayer is simply not going to pay this.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 21, 2012 @ 10:04 pm

      To Really926: Your argument is specious, at best. Arm the teachers who are already there! If we can’t trust the people educating our children with a gun, then we need new teachers. And all the liberals who have spent the past 30 years turning out schools into Communist re-education camps full of brain-dead, PC SHEEP need NOT apply.

      Apart from that, I am quite sure there are any NUMBER of people who would volunteer to provide rotating armed security for schools.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 21, 2012 @ 10:55 pm

      “OK Jota, a dollar per day per student. It is still $12 billion. And if you put armed security on every school bus it is probably 8 or 10 dollars per day per student.” – Michael

      Not true

      Most likely will be closer to 50 cents per student per day, even less

      Gun free zones means ZERO guns. By having armed security it is not a certainty the risk is zero. They don’t have to be present 100%, just enough to change the chance to greater than zero and the time present is random

      It is exactly how traffic cops works. You never know. It is the uncertainty factor

      We know these things work and why we don’t see signs all over the place advertising “no speed cop” for next 50 miles

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 21, 2012 @ 11:10 pm

      To further add to the position. Many roads only have a sign saying speed monitored by aircraft, to keep motorist guessing

      It is the stupidity of GUN FREE ZONES which removes all doubt

      It is idiotic, moronic. It is so devoid of any sense of reality, one has to wonder if those who think it works are even sane

      What is even worse, not even having children murdered will get them out of this ideological fog they are lost in

      Wake up!

      It only tells they have nothing to fear, not that you will crucify them on your alter of ideals

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    • theoldsargeComment by theoldsarge
      December 21, 2012 @ 11:34 pm

      A policeman in every school would take a lot of them off the streets where they belong to say nothing of the additional cost. Just not practical. If intimidating or frightening school children is the goal, having uniformed police or armed guards is the best way to do it. Not my idea of a good learning environment. What I would suggest is that a few teachers from each school go through police training. Upon completion they could actually be issued weapons and badges that would identify them as actual police officers. The number of teachers trained from each school would depend on the school size, student population and the surrounding community. During the summer breaks they could also have the option of working as police officers. They could be used to augment the increased need that usually is required during the summer months. It could also release full time officers for vacations or other absences and still keep the force at full strength. Perhaps if something like that was in place those teachers and children would still be alive. The government would never buy into that. Our politicians would rather use this tragic incident to further their own agendas. We don’t need more restrictive gun laws. We need to enforce the over 20,000 gun laws now in place.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 22, 2012 @ 12:29 am

      “A policeman in every school would take a lot of them off the streets where they belong to say nothing of the additional cost” – theoldsarge

      True

      But having a percentage of your teachers, and general public certified, after passing the most rigorous of standards to carry in a school will cause doubt.

      Not a single one of them every needs to carry a gun or they all can at the same time

      But who knows?

      Gun free zones says zero

      Now it is a gamble, just having the person present is all the security one needs because they can or they cannot be carrying

      The zero free removes all doubt

      Put the doubt back and the odds become incalculable

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    • really926Comment by really926
      December 22, 2012 @ 9:55 am

      Oleteabag….”If we can’t trust the people educating our children with a gun, then we need new teachers”???

      Our teachers didn’t sign up to carry guns! They are there to TEACH!

      Ok, let’s arm all the teachers and have one get so distracted doing something that a child comes up from behind and takes the weapon from them and starts shooting randomly!
      Then what???

      Don’t say it won’t happen because they will be trained not to let it
      happen.
      Because as sure as I’m writing this it WILL happen somewhere!
      Then who are you gonna blame???

      If you’re so sure there are any NUMBER of people willing to volunteer to protect our schools then all of you right wing fascists need to step up and make it happen!

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 22, 2012 @ 10:33 am

      really926 ….. “gun toting cowboys”? Uh, have you been to Chicago or Harlem lately? Spot any gun toting cowboys up there? I suppose you can be forgiven for that disparaging, judgmental, insensitive and bigoted comment against cowboys. I mean, left wing Commies made it popular to associate “cowboy” with “dangerously stupid” while George Bush was president, so I guess you can continue to make those kind of bigoted remarks, being a liberal and all. By the way, I suppose you think I am out of line using the phrase “left wing commies” but, since you don’t have any problem with the phrase “right wing fascists” I just assumed that you are as fair mined and mentally balanced as most people on the left, so I figured you wouldn’t mind. :)

      Don’t take it to personally. I’m just having a little fun with you. My dad was a cowboy, my brother is a cowboy, I’m a cowboy and all of us know there is nothing that irritates a liberal as much as a straight shooter. LOL By the way, Grandpa was a preacher who taught us all how to shoot straight.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 23, 2012 @ 1:20 am

      To Jota, who posted: “It is the stupidity of GUN FREE ZONES which removes all doubt

      It is idiotic, moronic. It is so devoid of any sense of reality, one has to wonder if those who think it works are even sane

      What is even worse, not even having children murdered will get them out of this ideological fog they are lost in

      Wake up!”

      Remember that you are talking about the brain-dead SHEEPLE who voted to give Obama 4 more years to finish destroying the country and our freedoms. Wake Up? If only!

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    • amacdComment by amacd
      December 24, 2012 @ 5:35 pm

      steveh, “we can learn alot from the Israelis” and run a similar security system?

      Are you serious, steve?

      Why not suggest that we copy South Africa’s security measures?

      Or the Nazi Empire’s security system?

      Steve, do you seriously want to live in a police-state or in an apartheid country?

      Best luck and love to the fast expanding ‘Occupy Empire’ educational and revolutionary movement against this deceitful, guileful, disguised EMPIRE, which can’t so
      easily be identified by wearing Red Coats, Red Stars, nor funny looking Nazi helmets —- quite yet!

      Liberty, democracy, justice, and equality
      Over
      Violent/’Vichy’ Rel 2.0
      Empire,

      Alan MacDonald
      Sanford, Maine

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  6. Jim ForsytheComment by Jim Forsythe
    December 21, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

    This was an excellent road map for protecting our kids. As a concerned grandparent, I feel we need to address the problem, and not try to blame an inanimate object for the crazies in this world. The only downside was the idiot that interrupted him.

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  7. elderalComment by elderal
    December 21, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

    If they want to put armed police in schools, fine. There are already cops in a lot of schools, especially in rough neighborhoods.

    New idea: Let teachers, administrators, and other staff members conceal-carry. I know some tough teachers and janitors who would like to be able to protect the kids.

    On college campuses, students old enough to hold concealed carry licenses can protect themselves and others from the whose currently attracted to the “fish in a wading pool” opportunity to kill provided by the “gun-free zone” insanity that we now try to live with.

    “Guns don’t kill people, abortion clinics do.”

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 21, 2012 @ 10:07 pm

      I won’t presume to know her mind, but I’d be willing to bet that the courageous and heroic Ms. Soto who died protecting her young charges would much have preferred to be armed, than to face a heavily armed LUNATIC with her hands empty. She KNEW he was coming–she heard the shooting and the screams, and had the presence of mind to hide her students in cabinets and closets. So she would have had the time to get locked, loaded and ready to fire when he came through the door. Isn’t it sad that she was not given that option?

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  8. brierebearComment by brierebear
    December 21, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

    “How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation’s refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?”

    I thought conservatives were concerned about privacy issues? This, and other statements, show why the NRA board and membership should consider buying out this guy and having someone who will be a serious partner in discussions.

    The earlier bills to restrict the number of rounds in a clip should have been a no-brainer, but Mr. LaPierre’s fear rhetoric (claiming it would be a step toward banning all guns – a silly statement) whipped his friends in Congress against it.

    About 35,000 memberships pay for Mr. LaPierre’s salary … what are they really getting for their money? This certainly isn’t your dad and granddad’s NRA.

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    • CharlieComment by vietnamvet
      December 21, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

      Like most from the left who speak confidently about ‘guns’, you obviously believe that you are knowledgeable on the subject. However, you are only able to pass on what you have heard, because it’s equally apparent that you have no direct experience.

      Your “I thought conservatives were against” shows that you don’t really know what we are against, or why.

      What you describe as a “no brainer” is a restriction which would have absolutely no effect on school shootings.
      I am certain you have never changed magazines in an AR rifle.

      And, those 35,000 memberships …
      Make that 4.3 million members, and 8,000 new ones PER DAY since the shooting.

      As for the video game question, the online game called Kindergarten Killers is a particularly bad idea …

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    • edodanielComment by edodaniel
      December 21, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

      brierebear, would you be happy if clips were restricted to no more than 10 rounds? That seems to be the number that all you gun control nuts keep bringing up.

      Well, I have a bit of news that should make you happy. The only clips available in the US come in 2 rounds (modified clip for the Garand), 5 rounds, 8 rounds (for the Garand again) and 10 rounds. NOTHING LARGER. Of course you would be unaware of that little FACT because it is obvious you get all your information on the subject from others who have no real subject matter knowledge. It takes two of the 10 round clips to load a 20 round magazine which is what holds the rounds in order for them to be fed into the chamber by the bolt or slide.

      Conservatives do believe in privacy but we also believe that privacy caqn be carried to extremes. For instance it would be nice if anyone with AIDS had to notify their employer – ESPECIALLY if they work in the food industry. I believe in privacy but since so many of you anti-gun nuts take advantage of gun owners because criminals don’t know which homes contain firearms I think all gun control advocates living in gun free homes should have to post signs to the effect that theirs is a gun free zone.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 21, 2012 @ 10:12 pm

      The FBI has VICAP, which is a national database on serial killers that is available to all the country’s law enforcement agencies. This database has been instrumental in taking any number of psychotic killers off the streets. Isn’t that a database on crazy people? Serial killers are truly psychotic. I submit that a database on people with a history of violent and/or psychotic behavior is not violating ANYBODY’S rights. Why does the lunatics’ “right” to privacy take priority over the lives of potential victims? I see no contradiction in that viewpoint and Conservative thought. Conservatives believe people are responsible for their own actions. And responsible people do not sit idly by while psychotic killers roam around murdering children, if they can prevent it by keeping track of the psychos. Your argument is typical liberal sophistry that appears whenever an irrational liberal attempts a rational argument.

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  9. norditeComment by nordite
    December 21, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

    By all means do hire armed guards for every school in the nation and tax all weapons and ammo to pay for it. Just make sure there is enough in taxes on both to cover enough policing to sufficiently protect every school child and teacher in every possible situation.

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    • namvet1Comment by namvet1
      December 21, 2012 @ 6:36 pm

      I agree with placing armed guards in every school. I do not agree with taxing weapons and ammo to pay for it. This just punishes a small group of law abiding citizens that enjoy hunting and shooting sports. The cost should be shared by all citizens.

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    • edodanielComment by edodaniel
      December 21, 2012 @ 8:31 pm

      such taxes would be unconstitutional infringements of our RIGHT to keep and bear arms.

      Since you want to see that the guards are paid, which is commendable, why not assess each parent some specific amount of money per child to pay for the security. After all the security is for them, not for gun owners and ammunition purchasers.

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  10. WinghunterComment by Winghunter
    December 21, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

    Using cops is a waste of resources and a national database for nutjobs won’t do jack but, it will in practice strip many of their inalienable right to defend themselves who will never be a threat to anyone. – Think about all the nutcase quacks who would be given this authority! How about those shrinks who demand open homosexuals aren’t a problem for our military? How about the law enforcement clowns who are nothing more than employees of gun-grabbing politicians like Bloomberg? Right, no one can be trusted to make that decision unless the person has already committed some type of act which means a national database leaves every single one of us at the mercy of politicians and quacks. Forget it!

    Math, history and physical education are classes that never change. Hire loyal Americans (Non-NEA union Socialist traitors)with military/law enforcement backgrounds trained in self-defense law and require them to practice monthly where they carry concealed. Deputize them if you must.

    This is the only economical and sane way to stop the nutcases from attacking.

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      December 21, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

      The TSA – the perfect example. We already have stupid school rules – like finger nail clippers that get you kicked out of school. I know that “I” am OLD – we all, boys and even some girls, carried pocket knives to school. Not ONE person was ever stabbed – although one kid did hit another up side the head with a board that had a nail in it that was left near the shrubbery of the cafeteria. Yes, he went to “Reform School”, and the kid that got hit recovered with only a scar on the side of his head.

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      December 21, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

      IF something isn’t done to take care of people with mental illness – this will never stop. We truly are in a sad state of affairs when our kids have to be in prisons to be indoctrinated by the government run education system. And looking at the whacko’s they hired for TSA – you are going to find yourself – even with a military/cop background – one that goes off on kids that have no better sense than to do something stupid to or around him. Actually – they should all be armed women.

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    • WinghunterComment by Winghunter
      December 21, 2012 @ 5:03 pm

      The evil and insane will ALWAYS live amongst us and the only way to deal with the ones who will be violent is to stop them in their tracks as they act.

      This is a teaching position with the added responsibility of defending lives – This is no entry level security position and it will not be protected by treasonous unions.

      Any emoting twit can dream up all the sniveling nightmares that might happen once in a millenia (a higher percentage of them who do are women) but, it takes experienced and loyal Americans to make the possible happen. And no, you can’t cry on the shoulder of this certified law enforcement firearms instructor, call one of your girlfriends for that.

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  11. bobComment by bob
    December 21, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

    NRA Membership Increasing 8,000 A Day After Sandy Hook Shooting
    http://www.inquisitr.com/447898/nra-membership-increasing-8000-a-day-after-sandy-hook-shooting/#D4ytsR9ERCYH0Aze.99

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  12. stickmanComment by stickman
    December 21, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

    There is already a six foot chain link fence and two LOCKED gates after school starts as well as the only gate left open has a “gate guard” person. Now we want armed guards at our Government Schools – sounds more like a prison.

    Now I know why I have never joined the NRA – politically correct jerks.

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    • bobComment by bob
      December 21, 2012 @ 4:52 pm

      There doesn’t seem to be a way to repair the damage liberals have done to the morals of this nation. No one wants armed guards in schools, but would you prefer allowing government to disarm all Americans?

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    • WinghunterComment by Winghunter
      December 21, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

      It’s whiners like yourself that demanded and subverted our laws to force ‘Gun-Free Zones’ nationwide which opened the floodgates to these mass murders. Do they take any responsibility? Of course not. They just keep singing the same insane tune while throwing tantrums and spewing outrageous insults.

      “Life is tough. It’s even tougher when you’re stupid.” – John Wayne

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    • edodanielComment by edodaniel
      December 22, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

      The armed guards do not need to be uniformed, it would be better if they were NOT uniformed as it would keep the terrorist guessing about who poses the real danger to him.

      The armed guards could, as has been stated many times, be the teachers and school support staff themselves. I am pretty sure that the principal and teachers who dies would have given anything to have had a firearm immediately available to them to protect their charges.

      No one is suggesting that YOU need to be one of the guardians, we prefer courageous men and women who would stand up and be counted.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 22, 2012 @ 1:05 pm

      “Now we want armed guards at our Government Schools – sounds more like a prison” – stickman

      We have options

      1:) Do nothing, expect the same results

      2:) Ban and remove ALL GUNS. If not, the next nut could be a police officer’s child who steals his gun. To accomplish this will take a force equal to an armed conflict of a civil war.

      3:) Round up anyone with a mental illness, which studies have shown would qualify 25% of the population of Now York city, alone

      4:) Just say the school’s campus has armed security, and for special events can be paraded about. The bottom line, get rid of the mania that thinks zero free means 100% safe.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 23, 2012 @ 1:29 am

      To Winghunter, who posted:

      “Life is tough. It’s even tougher when you’re stupid.” – John Wayne”

      Sadly, you can’t fix stupid. That is why the liberals keep making the same mistakes over and over and expecting different results.

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  13. drillbabydrillComment by drillbabydrill
    December 21, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

    Mandatory fire arms training should be taught in every school (except urban ones) starting at grade one. The only way to keep our kids free and safe without spending more taxdollars on cops.

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    • edodanielComment by edodaniel
      December 22, 2012 @ 12:23 pm

      Mandatory firearms familiarization should be taught in ALL SCHOOLS regardless of where they are located.

      All Middle Schools and High Schools should have marksmanship programs as electives for those students who want to learn and enjoy firearms. Most schools had such programs in the not so distant past when liberal “values” had not replaced moral values and students passed or failed on their own efforts rather than being promoted just so they wouldn’t feel bad.

      In those days schools actually passed students who could read and write and make use of the mathematics they were taught. Cash registers had numbers on the keys instead of pictures in fast food establishments and the kids at the registers could make change. That has all changed with the liberals “don’t make them earn it, let them have it because they want it and deserve it even if they aren’t willing to work for it” attitudes.

      Let us go back to the daily Pledge of allegiance and daily prayers which the founding fathers supported in schools because in spite of liberal viewpoints of the present are not unconstitutional because they are not establishing any religion but admittedly are allowing the free practice of it just as the First Amendment states.

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  14. ssmcdonaldComment by ssmcdonald
    December 21, 2012 @ 5:46 pm

    An armed guard is not the way to protect our schools. A terrorist/maniac/sicko/pervert simply takes out the armed guard thus leaving the school defenseless. A better solution is to allow those teachers so inclined to conceal-carry. That way the perpetrator has no way of knowing where his opposition may be (hence he’ll go elsewhere). Of course, the best solution is for you people to get your kids out of government schools to insure they truly get decent education (elsewhere).

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  15. Bill from MiddletownComment by Bill from Middletown
    December 21, 2012 @ 6:16 pm

    Let’s take an active roll and help get the word out about this petition. Sign the petition at wh dot gov/RzM7 and tell your friends!

    we petition the obama administration to: along with Congress, enact legislation eliminating gun free zones as an inherent danger to the People.

    Whereas, there were horrific shootings in Aurora CO, Newtown CT, Grundy VA, Greenville MS, Portland OR, Oak Creek WI, and other places around the United States;

    Whereas, the common factor in these crimes is that they took place in “gun free” zones;

    Whereas, evil people seek out areas where they know their victims will be unarmed and defenseless;

    Whereas, it is demonstrated that only the law abiding honor “gun free” zone laws, (and laws in general);

    Whereas, none of the victims of these horrible crimes had any means with which to defend themselves and others,

    Whereas, the People have a right to self defense;

    It is time to recognize that “gun free” zones do nothing to protect ordinary citizens, but create areas where citizens are vulnerable.

    “Gun free” zones must be banned.

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  16. handymanherbComment by handymanherb
    December 21, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

    End the gun free zones for honest citzens, make them wonder who packing and might shoot them when they turn crazy

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  17. oleteabagComment by oleteabag
    December 21, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

    Back in the 1960s, the liberals began agitating for the “rights” of mentally ill people, and they kept up until the doors of the mental institutions were opened and millions of disfunctional, mentally ill people were dumped out into the street. No matter, the liberals said. Their illness can be controlled with medicaton and psychotherapy in this modern age–there is no reason to lock them up.

    The problem, of course, was that crazy people don’t always take their meds. Maybe they are homeless and have no money to buy them, and are too crazy to apply for medicaid. Sometimes the voices in their heads tell them the medication is EVIL and they must not take it. Others say the medications make them feel “dead” inside, so they stop taking them. Whatever the reason, people who are irrational often do not take their meds or attend therapy sessions. But the liberals smiled and said it was good, and said to the crazy people, “Go! Fly–you are free!”

    Fast forward to 2012: Infrastructure for care of the mentally ill has all but disappeared. Some end up in jail because there is no other place for them to go–and what becomes of their rights then? They are often not guilty of any crime, except being crazy.

    But the MOST disturbing thing is there is NO process for identifying people who are truly psychotic, violent, and dangerous, until an Adam Lanza shows up a school and starts murdering teachers and children. They are drawn to schools because they know that nobody in a school is armed and they can kill a lot of people before the police get there.

    This is a problem the liberals created, and in typical, liberal fashion, they are now screaming for a solution that has nothing to do with the real problem: “We must take all the guns away!” they cry. “Especially those terrible assaulte rifles!”

    This, despite the FACT that Connecticut has some of the strictest gun control laws in the COUNTRY, and a ban on assault rifles, which did not stop a lunatic named Adam Lanza from STEALING the guns he needed to commit mass murder. The REAL shame is that because of the gun laws, and the “gun free zone” of school, there was no armed person nearby who could have blown his crazy a$$ AWAY before he was able to slaughter all those beautiful children and their courageous teachers. Why are his “rights” more important than the lives of those innocent children who suffered a brutal death at the hands of a madman because our country as simply dumped the mental ill into the streets and let them cope how they will?

    And worse than these well-meaning but typically STUPID liberals who made this mess, are the evil calculating ones like Obama, with his fake tears and phony mourning, seeking to use the deaths of CHILDREN to further his assault on the Bill of Rights. After all, he doesn’t quite DARE call himself the dictator he so desperately WANTS to be, as long as there are all those people out here with guns.

    And friends, that is EXACTLY what the founding fathers intended when they gave us the right to bear arms. NOT for hunting or “recreational shooting”, but to make it harder for a TYRANT to rise to power and take over the country. Do NOT give in to the panicked screams of the idiots who decided to turn loose all the lunatics in the first place, paving the way for the many hideous mass murders that have happened since. And for sure, do NOT allow the evil and power-hungry to exploit this situation to take what little freedom we have left.

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  18. oleteabagComment by oleteabag
    December 21, 2012 @ 9:29 pm

    Has NOBODY noticed that these madmen always go to places where guns are NOT allowed to commit mass murders? Why is that, do you think? Because they may be crazy, but not necessarily stupid–and it’s a LOT safer to commit mass murder where you are the only one with a gun. Think about that, before you start bleating for stricter gun control laws to keep us “safe”. It sure has worked well so far, hasn’t it! The states and cities with the strictest gun control laws have the highest rates of violent crime. Well, DUH, because the criminals/lunatics in those places know they don’t need to worry about anybody shooting back.

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  19. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    December 21, 2012 @ 9:57 pm

    It might be interesting to entertain the thought of teachers packin heat too. Some sort of security could be worked out.
    Would be best the kids didn’t know but if they did they might show some discipline in classes.

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  20. horizon5521Comment by horizon5521
    December 21, 2012 @ 10:27 pm

    With the continuous ever increasing budget crisis with most Law Enforcement Agencies across this country and the cutbacks and hiring freezes on hiring and training of new officers. Most agencies are understaffed and working 12 hour shifts to counter the problems of community and businesses, along with answering priority calls in great volumes. It would take alot of manpower, as from off duty officers and still would not be sufficient to cover every school in the country. Even if we had tax increases, as everyone knows the money hardly ever goes where it is needed most as our politicians still have extravagant spending habits that put money generally in projects that waste it. I have seen during my time in construction that government will go in and totally renovate buildings scheduled to be torn down within months of the completed renovation project. There has been equipment bought and paid for with tax payers dollars that have been taken out to private landfills and trenches dug and the equipment dumped in and covered up with tons of dirt. I imagine that most people know these things are happening, but just don’t realize just how much it is happening. I saw a story last night of a news achor talking with a businessman that builds bomb shelters and has been doing it for sometime. He tells of the government buying up equipment for their on massive underground complex in preparation of something in the future happening. The complex is massive with tunneling machines cutting through core and earth making large tunnels that will hold the elite of Washington and their families, scientist, High Military Staff and families. They will be able to produce food and store mass goods needed by all the elite that will inhabit these great caverns. Does anyone really think that the rich that we put in office is going to really care about the middle and lower class which foots the bill for their safety and that of their families. Why should Law Enforcement and other emergency preparedness and vital emergency projects always be burdened with tax cuts, hiring freezes, etc..
    I feel like that the law abiding citizen could be of benefit as those that would be willing to spend some time, be trained by law enforcement, volunteer and help law enforcement could be an asset to them and all citizens throughout our nation. It would give individuals a vast understanding as to what our warriors on the streets go through and even protect them when a situation developes that could help them to go home to their families. Back up for an officer in trouble is just as critical and seconds count as you can’t ever depend on a support unit being nearby when it is needed. I feel we as citizens can take advantage of this necessary need and help our communities by volunteering as law abiding citizens as auxilliary or reserve officers with our local departments becoming fully familiar with our laws, weapons training, practical situations trials, what ever it takes to rid our society of the criminals. With all Law Enforcement cut backs and freezes, it means more criminals have superior numbers over the one defense that is geared to keep us safe, Our Warriors on the Streets that combat the never ending violence which is targeted against all that are vulnerable and defenseless.
    This country has survived by the thinking of the people, why has that stopped. At Pearl Harbor when things went so wrong, with the cohession of the people and the will to reestablish what was lost. The people accomplished it in record time working day and night. What is so different it can not be done again in many areas by just coming together.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      December 21, 2012 @ 11:44 pm

      “With the continuous ever increasing budget crisis with most Law Enforcement Agencies across this country and the cutbacks and hiring freezes on hiring and training of new officers” – horizon5521

      True

      What is the chance of getting shot when you know it is GUN FREE?

      ZERO

      What is the chance of getting shot when it is not known if there is armed security?

      Depends

      So it it really comes down to whether you feel lucky or not

      Gun Free Zones could have only been dreamed up by someone doing drugs.

      How one explains so much of the liberal nation buying into it is a study in psychosis, all by itself

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  21. aretiredgiComment by aretiredgi
    December 21, 2012 @ 10:51 pm

    Tell Michael Bloomberg (mayor of New York), based on his ABC interview tonight….I joined the NRA. Thanks for the incentive Mike.

    PS: I live in Chicago.

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  22. horizon5521Comment by horizon5521
    December 21, 2012 @ 11:01 pm

    Trageties will not stop happening until the people come together on a common sense approach to many problems. Our politicians aren’t going to do it because if it where the case, our Country would not be in the situation it is in now. I think most people can agree on that case. The politicians are to busy playing politics to see reality when it is thumping them on the nose. Just bickering and making a show for the people. Things will not change until everyone gets involved and says enough is enough and things had better change for the better. Our Nation deserves better than it has had as WE are one of the Best Nations in the World that could bring about through change by uniting again with higher goals and more common sense thinking to combat some of the biggest problems our nation faces. Government is not going to do it and I think by now that should be a proven fact. It’s up to the people as the direction our nation will head. She’s wonderful and she deserves our admiration and dedication and allegance to her once again.
    We can as a superior people make this happen and I believe in us and I believe in her our Nation. GOD Bless HER Alway!

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  23. kskiddComment by kskidd
    December 22, 2012 @ 12:28 am

    I remember when Madeline Murray O’Hare went to the Supreme Court and had Christian prayer removed from public schools. I have heard many times since that this is the cause of the sad condition of our schools, and our society. I don’t know that that blanket statement really applies as thoroughly as many seem to believe it does. I mean, as I understand the Constitution, although it was designed and written by men who believed the Bible was Gods Holy book, if we continue to allow Christian prayers every morning, we would not have a leg to stand on for disallowing Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or any pagan prayer that someone wanted to introduce. That would be a battle I am sure we would be faced with if our schools still started each morning with a Christian prayer. Add to that the various denominations claiming to be Christian, and there’d be a real mess.

    Now, today, some are saying put armed police officers in the schools. I’ve heard some say arm the principle, issue conceal carry permits to those teachers who would carry willingly.

    Personally, I have always believed that the biggest mistake made in the public school system was not removing the morning Christian prayer. It was removing the paddle from the principles office, and the coaches desk drawer. What was removed that hurt us all was not religion, it was discipline. Of course, seeing where our society is today, it’s to late to reintroduce the paddle. I can just imagine kids getting paddled because they offended some liberal teachers sensibilities instead of because they were actually rude, disobedient, unruly or even mean. Whose hands could you trust with a paddle these days? I can’t imagine.

    So, instead, here we are, on a national level, discussing whose hands to put a gun in.

    And we just can’t seem to figure out what’s ripping America apart. Go figure.

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    • edodanielComment by edodaniel
      December 22, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

      The morning prayers were non-denominational and school prayer was something the founding fathers allowed and believed in.

      This nation was founded as a Christian Nation as evidenced by the many statements of the founding fathers and the only reason religion was mentioned in the First Amendment was because the delegates to many of the State ratification conventions demanded it as a condition of ratification. They wanted to insure that neither Congress nor the President could do as the King of England did and establish a church of their own and persecute members of other religions. That is why the First Amendment states so very clearly that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; …” – the intent was to allow EVERYONE to FREELY practice their religion.
      http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html

      (QUOTE)… Religion was addressed in the First Amendment in the following familiar words: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” In notes for his June 8, 1789, speech introducing the Bill of Rights, Madison indicated his opposition to a “national” religion. Most Americans agreed that the federal government must not pick out one religion and give it exclusive financial and legal support. (END QUOTE)

      As a matter of simple FACT non-denominational church services were held regularly within the House of Representatives and later within the chambers of the Supreme court.

      http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html
      (QUOTE) It is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson’s example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House–a practice that continued until after the Civil War–were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary. Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.) As early as January 1806 a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley, delivered a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House to Jefferson, Vice President Aaron Burr, and a “crowded audience.” Throughout his administration Jefferson permitted church services in executive branch buildings. The Gospel was also preached in the Supreme Court chambers.

      Jefferson’s actions may seem surprising because his attitude toward the relation between religion and government is usually thought to have been embodied in his recommendation that there exist “a wall of separation between church and state.” In that statement, Jefferson was apparently declaring his opposition, as Madison had done in introducing the Bill of Rights, to a “national” religion. In attending church services on public property, Jefferson and Madison consciously and deliberately were offering symbolic support to religion as a prop for republican government. (END QUOTE)

      Removing prayer from school was a first step in removing moral values. Removing the authority of teachers to administer corporal punishment was another factor as it made the teacher’s job much more difficult and made the students aware that they probably would not be punished for disobeying the rules of the school – pretty much like habitual criminals who keep getting arrested, convicted then released on probation have learned that they can do as they want because society will not punish them.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      December 22, 2012 @ 1:15 pm

      edodaniel, I know all that and I know you are right. I gave you a 5 star rating on your comment. However, the point I am tried to make was not that there shouldn’t be morning prayer in school. My point is that if we still had it, that there are people in the country who would use it as an excuse to also demand other “non-Christian” prayers also be said. Also, at the time our founders gave us the first amendment, non-Denominational prayer was the commonly accepted norm for all of American society. There were very few atheist in the country in their day and so far as I know, Islam, Hindu and Buddhist adherents were not there at all, so they were not a consideration. Our founders would have allowed those groups to exist, but would not have allowed them to hold public office or teach in our schools. Atheist were not allowed to be witnesses at trials either because our founders believed that a person who did not believe in a future state of rewards and punishment could be trusted to ‘tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”.

      Again, in summary, I am not saying morning prayer should not be said in schools. I am just saying that if it were still there, we’d be fighting a different, but possibly just as devastating a battle over the issue. As for the concept of “non-denominational” prayer, yes, our founders were able and capable of that. There are also “Christian” denominations in the United States that did not exist at that time and it is no longer true that “basic tenets” of the Christian religion are respected and adhered to by all. There are those who believe that if you don’t do things their way, you are guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, ect, ect, ect.

      I just think that putting morning prayer back into our classrooms would just open up a whole new ‘can of worms’ so to speak.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      December 23, 2012 @ 1:47 am

      To Kskidd:

      It wasn’t just removing prayer, Bible reading and the pledge of allegiance from the schools. The liberals, atheists and other subversive nuts were sooo worried that these horrible Christian teachings might OFFEND somebody, and by harping on that theme, they managed to eliminate ANY sort of ethical or moral teaching from schools. It wasn’t right, they said, to lay our own “value judgments” on kids. (Of course that has not stopped THEM from pushing THEIR amoral non-values–turning schools into Communist Re-education Camps to BRAINWASH our kids).

      I remember when my boys were in school and they were going to have sex education–so their teacher told them all about how to have sex, then said, “But you are adults and can make your own decisions, so I’m not going to lay any value judgments on you.”

      I told this idiot teacher AND the school that this sort of “value-free” sex education is no more than a how-to manual! With no talk of responsibility or morality to go with it, that is all it was. I think the horrendous rate of teenage pregnancy, etc. will confirm my opinion that this kind of “education” is destructive and contributes to the “morally challenged” society in which we now live.

      Think about it. We are a once-great nation “led” by a narcissistic pathological liar and his equally amoral, ethically-challenged minions. I’ve heard it said that when things start going to hell, it’s the crazy people who are most sensitive to those kind of cataclysmic changes, and so they react first. I think that must be true, because just look how many crazies are coming out of the woodwork to commit mass murder. And the government’s solution to the problem is “gun-free zones” and more “gun control” to make sure that NOBODY except the crazies and the criminals are armed.

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  24. tomtComment by tomt
    December 22, 2012 @ 10:06 am

    Worried about the cost factor of police officers in schools?
    Remove gun free zones!
    Have Ex police officers and military from the community, volunteer their time for an on duty security shift. Many may still have children and grand children in their neighborhood school district.
    Have their duty time a non-uniform, plainclothes free service.
    Backed up with volunteers from faculty and staff willing to take time for training and schooling out of personal off duty time.
    Post a sign stating the school has armed personnel to protect the children and eliminate anyone intent on harming our children.
    To a perpetrator plotting an assault on the school, the probability that the school is with armed resistance will be a deterant and not an open invitation to a resistance-free shooting gallery.
    Since Commercial Pilots were trained and armed, how many hijackings or attempted hijackings have we had?

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    • horizon5521Comment by horizon5521
      December 22, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

      Also,you might mention that patrol cars both marked and unmarked make passes through school zones during routine patrol duties observing parked cars for unusual activity and suspicious acts. Even roof tops should be checked for the possibility of a sniper type scenerio which has happened with students and facilty being shot and killed. Fortunately, the assailant was taken out after many deaths and casualities by the sniper by three police officers which responded when they heard gun fire near the college. High visibility of police vehicles will help with armed security or off duty police or sheriff’s deputies. Utilize all avenues of defense creating an enviroment would be sure failure to those that maybe continplating a situation like happened in Sandy Hook. At least everyone will be proactive in the protection of vulnerable children and students, and a higher risk of failure, arrest and incarceration with jail time for terrorist acts on any actors or perpetrators involved.

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  25. howe77Comment by howe77
    December 22, 2012 @ 10:20 am

    Half the country voted for a commie criminal govt that violates the U.S. Constitution and continually attacks our freedoms instead of bringing our countrymen together. Having said that, we are now in a situation where we are bankrupt financially and morally rotten as more and more people want the radical low lifes to become their govt role model. The so-called easy fix by the divider-in-chief is to attack the gun culture, but the nutjobs will continue to find ways to kill our most precious young people. Outlawing dynamite sales which is only allowed with a permit didn’t stop the heinous act of taking down the Federal Murray Building. Sealing the borders to stop illegal immigrants, drugs and weapons would do ten times more good than legislating gun laws against law abiding citizens. The other major deterrent for the criminally insane is for the federal govt and states to increase funding and other incentives to work with mentally ill people in an attempt to change the violent behavior pattern that drives these people to become a danger to our society. We care more about whats in it for me than working toward a common goal that produces prosperity and safety for everyone including the most vulnerable in our society. We murder thousands of babies through abortion every month and we call it choice, we kill hundreds of innocent men, women and children using drones in the middle east to bag an Al Qeada leader and we call it collateral damage, we turn a blind eye to the illegal drugs, terrorist and other law breakers sneaking across our border and we allow the politicians to sell us on the idea that we are safe from the drug cartels, terrorist and the mass invasion of illegal immigrants that are adding big time to our huge financial woes that are sapping taxpayer dollars away from many vital programs that would otherwise be used for education, public safety and social programs that enhance mental health.

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