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Atheists intimidate Santa Monica into eliminating Nativity

By Gillian Flaccus

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Damon Vix didn't have to go to court to push Christmas out of the city of Santa Monica. He just joined the festivities.

The atheist's anti-God message alongside a life-sized nativity display in a park overlooking the beach ignited a debate that burned brighter than any Christmas candle.

Santa Monica officials snuffed the city's holiday tradition this year rather than referee the religious rumble, prompting churches that have set up a 14-scene Christian diorama for decades to sue over freedom of speech violations. Their attorney will ask a federal judge Monday to resurrect the depiction of Jesus' birth, while the city aims to eject the case.

"It's a sad, sad commentary on the attitudes of the day that a nearly 60-year-old Christmas tradition is now having to hunt for a home, something like our savior had to hunt for a place to be born because the world was not interested," said Hunter Jameson, head of the nonprofit Santa Monica Nativity Scene Committee that is suing.

Missing from the courtroom drama will be Vix and his fellow atheists, who are not parties to the case. Their role outside court highlights a tactical shift as atheists evolve into a vocal minority eager to get their non-beliefs into the public square as never before.

National atheist groups earlier this year took out full-page newspaper ads and hundreds of TV spots in response to the Catholic bishops' activism around women's health care issues and are gearing up to battle for their own space alongside public Christmas displays in small towns across America this season.

"In recent years, the tactic of many in the atheist community has been, if you can't beat them, join them," said Charles Haynes, a senior scholar at the First Amendment Center and director of the Newseum's Religious Freedom Education Project in Washington. "If these church groups insist that these public spaces are going to be dominated by a Christian message, we'll just get in the game - and that changes everything."

In the past, atheists primarily fought to uphold the separation of church and state through the courts. The change underscores the conviction held by many nonbelievers that their views are gaining a foothold, especially among young adults.

The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life released a study last month that found 20 percent of Americans say they have no religious affiliation, an increase from 15 percent in the last five years. Atheists took heart from the report, although Pew researchers stressed that the category also encompassed majorities of people who said they believed in God but had no ties with organized religion and people who consider themselves "spiritual" but not "religious."

"We're at the bottom of the totem pole socially, but we have muscle and we're flexing it," said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation. "Ignore our numbers at your peril."

The trouble in Santa Monica began three years ago, when Vix applied for and was granted a booth in Palisades Park alongside the story of Jesus Christ's birth, from Mary's visit from the Angel Gabriel to the traditional crèche.

Vix hung a simple sign that quoted Thomas Jefferson: "Religions are all alike -- founded on fables and mythologies." The other side read "Happy Solstice." He repeated the display the following year but then upped the stakes significantly.

In 2011, Vix recruited 10 others to inundate the city with applications for tongue-in-cheek displays such as a homage to the "Pastafarian religion," which would include an artistic representation of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The secular coalition won 18 of 21 spaces. The two others went to the traditional Christmas displays and one to a Hanukkah display.

The atheists used half their spaces, displaying signs such as one that showed pictures of Poseidon, Jesus, Santa Claus and the devil and said: "37 million Americans know myths when they see them. What myths do you see?"

Most of the signs were vandalized and in the ensuing uproar, the city effectively ended a tradition that began in 1953 and earned Santa Monica one of its nicknames, the City of the Christmas Story.

The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee argues in its lawsuit that atheists have the right to protest, but that freedom doesn't trump the Christians' right to free speech.

"If they want to hold an opposing viewpoint about the celebration of Christmas, they're free to do that - but they can't interfere with our right to engage in religious speech in a traditional public forum," said William Becker, attorney for the committee. "Our goal is to preserve the tradition in Santa Monica and to keep Christmas alive."

The city doesn't prohibit churches from caroling in the park, handing out literature or even staging a play about the birth of Jesus and churches can always set up a nativity on private land, Deputy City Attorney Jeanette Schachtner said in an email.

The decision to ban the displays also saves the city, which had administered the cumbersome lottery process used to award booths, both time and money while preserving the park's aesthetics, she said.

For his part, Vix is surprised - and slightly amused - at the legal battle spawned by his solitary act but doesn't plan anything further.

"That was such a unique and blatant example of the violation of the First Amendment that I felt I had to act," said the 44-year-old set builder. "If I had another goal, it would be to remove the `under God' phrase from the Pledge of Allegiance - but that's a little too big for me to take on for right now."

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of speech and religion, but also states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." That has been interpreted by courts as providing for separation of church and state, barring government bodies from promoting, endorsing or funding religion or religious institutions.

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  1. capricorn1Comment by capricorn1
    November 19, 2012 @ 8:16 am

    these people are causing me a problem,why do sit by and let the re-tards who are the MINORITY get there way?and inturn isult the lord god for the birth of his son jesus christ.
    califorinication better get there act together on some issues or there will be reprecussions and consequinces for ignoring gods word,when jesus returns the bible states every head and every knee will BOW TO HIM including atheist.hows your economy out there?unemployment?fires?quakes?he is knocking at your door but you dont hear him.sad

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    • rollinthunderComment by rollinthunder
      November 19, 2012 @ 9:12 am

      I agree with you, capricorn1

      The answer is simple, atheists like liberals have very little between their ears to work with. It’s what we call a “mental disorder” to ignore and even shun God. The whole lot of them will fall under judgment, and we will be faced with the consequences for not obeying our own laws. The 1st Amendment strictly states…”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Atheism is a religion, just like Christianity, i.e. belief and faith in Jesus Christ. We do not discriminate against Ahteists for not taking part in religious celebrations, e.g. Christmas, Easter, etc. so to be fair, we should not be showing any respect for their wishes to interfere with or prevent the free exercise of any other religions. This is where we make the first mistake. They can stay home or go to another godless country in which they feel more comfortable.

      (Acts 5:29 KJV) Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

      (Acts 5:30 KJV) The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

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    • americanman2012Comment by americanman2012
      November 19, 2012 @ 9:13 am

      I feel the same as you, But, The Atheists are a religion also, one of non belief. For the city to make everyone remove their display, leaves the atheists winning again. It would be better and within the constitution for all faiths to set up displays, all being tolerated, and everyone wins, because it keeps the state out of deciding which religious group wins. The city screwed it up, lost a great chance to establish what separation of state and church really means. The city property is owned by all citizens, and if all religious rights were granted and left uninhibited , all displays would stay. The atheists might find out by this how their faith of non belief feels being ridiculed.

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    • ANNE OF COLORADOComment by ANNE OF COLORADO
      November 19, 2012 @ 10:32 am

      I agree, and this is just one more reason that we moved from California in 2003. Calif. is one of the most taxed states, and one of the most liberal states, and the people wonder why businesses are leaving by the droves.

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    • MorganComment by Morgan
      November 19, 2012 @ 10:36 am

      I have a warning for Atheists, not that the care because they don’t believe it. One day in the near future, they will meet Jesus face to face at the judgment. Then they will fall on their face in terror at the judgement they are going to face.
      Rev. 20:11-15
      And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
      [12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
      [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
      [14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
      [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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    • kodster5Comment by kodster5
      November 19, 2012 @ 12:36 pm

      Anne of Colorado, same here. Born and raised from 1957, and left for good in 1991. I returned in 2004 to say goodbye to my Mom, when she passed away then. And that’s when I realized “it’s not Kansas, anymore”. I had changed in the years that I was gone, and California disgusts me. I am obligated to return, by the job, occasionally, but I can’t wait to get out of there.

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    • kodster5Comment by kodster5
      November 19, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

      Morgan, Yeshua will stand by, as His Bride faces judgment, before Abba (Yahweh). But He will not be there in courtroom when the athiests, and all other non-believers in Him, stand before Yahweh… He will say, “I do not know you.” They will indeed be in for a rude awakening and a sorrowful regret, with the gnashing of teeth and groaning, for the decisions they made while here on earth. We cannot do anything but plant seeds of hope and faith in others, and then let Yeshua and Yahweh take over from there.

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    • LenaComment by Lena
      November 19, 2012 @ 12:40 pm

      Sorry to say, but since the liberal influx of people from California and the Midwest, Colorado isn’t Colorado anymore either.

      You may have noticed that it is now a blue state and no longer the red state it was before the invasion.

      Too late for us to say, “Don’t Californicate Colorado, anymore.

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    • kodster5Comment by kodster5
      November 19, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

      Actually, Lena, it’s not just Colorado, either…. Montana, Oregon (yep, even with its own liberalism), Wyoming, North Dakota (where I presently live), et al, resent the California refugees, because, like Muslims, they come to the new state, and insist on pushing their liberal ideas onto their new home, starting at the local level, and moving on up to the state level, thereby converting the entire state. I know that if you have a California license plate in Montana, you are treated like vermin, suspiciously held at arm’s length. They don’t trust Californians.

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    • BillzillaComment by Billzilla
      November 19, 2012 @ 1:06 pm

      The tail wags the dog. Sad, when a any group cannot enjoy their own holiday because someone doesn’t agree with them. Public property is just that, it should be open for all of to use, without being harassed by those who disagree with them. Christians seem to be a minority now, just as women are. A majority minority! Funny isn’t it… the mental hoops that the “politically Correct” crowd have to jump through, to get everyone else to conform to their twisted belief system!

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    • tolorantoneComment by tolorantone
      November 19, 2012 @ 1:22 pm

      I have to agree with you that the city was wrong in removing all Christmas displays. This is a holiday that is celebrated by many more people than just Christians. I am an atheist/agnostic and do not follow the belief standard text regarding Christmas but instead cherish it as a time to reflect on the past and hopes for the future and to take time to relax and be with those I most cherish. I also take time to talk with others regarding what Christmas means to them. I fully support your desire to have the nativity on display both on private land and on public I also support those that wish to display their beliefs, as long as it isn’t derogatory to your beliefs.
      However to comment on what I have read in all the comments, you shuld remember that at one time Christianity was a minority, in fact a very small minority, surrounded by what you would now call pagans who believed in a pantheon of gods to explain the same thing you try to explain through belief in a singular God.
      Additionally, you call Atheism a religion however I am not able to find it in any list of world religions. Add to that that the Oxford dictionary defines religion as, “The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. A particular system of faith and worship, a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. “ Atheism and Agnosticism do not fall within this definition as they have no belief in a superhuman power and do not rely on “belief” to explain the world around them or the actions of those that reside on that world.
      A third point you might want to consider is that Christianity is composed of approximately 32 percent of the world population with Islam and Judaism (who believe in the same God) composed of an approximately an additional 22 percent. That means that 46 percent of the population of this planet believes in something other than your God with secular, nonreligious, agnostic and atheists composed of almost 1.1 billion or 16 percent of the population and if religious belief keeps falling as it has for the past few years you may once again be in the minority.
      The non religious aspect of this country have sat back for a long time and listened to the religious rhetoric from people like Jimmy Falwell, Pat Robertson, and yourself crying about freedom of speech and pushing your agenda. Maybe it’s time you realized that you are not alone in this world and that others have a view and opinion just as valid as yours. In fact almost half the population says you are wrong, a rather high number for you to push your moral superiority. To make a statement that, “atheists like liberals have very little between their ears to work with” and calling it a “mental disorder”, just shows your ignorance and the reason that so many devoutly religious people are so intolerant. I have found that an atheist is more likely to have read either all or part of the bible then have many Christians. They have thought through what they read and made a decision for themselves. Contrast that with the fact that I regularly run into religious people that quote what they have heard from their priests or in school or from their families and have never gone to the bible to read it for themselves and made their own decision on what it means. Maybe it is those that follow a belief blindly, without reading the passages, without questioning the logic, without thinking as an individual instead of a mass mentality who are the ones with “little between their ears.” So how about if rather than being derogatory and insulting you sit down with an atheist and discuss their views on, well, anything. After all, most wars on this planet have been fought in the name of religion which means that you might have something you can learn about living together. We are all individuals with our own beliefs and moral codes regarding what it takes to be a good person. Tolerance of each other and in their beliefs will bring us all closer together and perhaps make the world a more peaceful place to live.

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    • mach37Comment by mach37
      November 19, 2012 @ 2:07 pm

      kodster5, you twisted Lena’s comment. Some of the states you mentioned have not changed like Colorado did. Wyoming is still a red state.

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    • mcrankComment by mcrank
      November 19, 2012 @ 5:58 pm

      Quoting Jefferson’s comment as to all religions being based upon fables and mythologies is taken way out of context—but consider the source.

      Jefferson’s grievance with established religion was two-fold: he did not approve of state-funded religion that set itself up as a requirement and excluded the rights of others if they chose not to adhere to the state religion. Well to point out here—Christianity has never required anyone to adhere—it practices freely and its doors are open—anyone can participate or not participate—so Atheists have no argument here.

      Secondly, RELIGIONS are man-made and correctly defined as being based upon fables and mythologies. Christianity IS NOT a religion—it is an affirmation of the existence and expectations of God who brought himself into a personal relationship with mankind through Jesus Christ. The word “religion” is used very loosely and liberally among those in debate regarding Christian matters, but it is not a religion and it should not be subjected to the legal onslaught brought upon it by our Judiciary who should know better and by the Atheists who do not know any better.

      If the Santa Monica nativity scene is a 60-year tradition—and Atheism has been allowed to practice also during those same 60 years—with no infringement upon its practice—then why do Atheists feel it necessary to suddenly up and create a distasteful and unfounded attack upon the Christian community which poses no threat to them whatsoever? The nativity scene will sit there for the enjoyment of those who hold such traditions dear—and the Atheists can go right along with their disbelief—unhindered and unbothered.

      Such ridiculous displays of stupidity by a minority cult that makes them look really bad. No one would certainly want to become an Atheist on the basis of its intellectual attractiveness—there isn’t any.

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    • FlyboyComment by Flyboy
      November 19, 2012 @ 9:58 pm

      In response to tolerant1. I must admit, I am encouraged by the article to see that these folks associated with the atheist movement are behaving a little more tongue in cheek with their resistance to religious expression in the public forum. On the other hand, I am still dismayed that there are so many people of the “Christian Stripe” that although having deep convictions, still choose to express them in such unlovely and unloving ways.

      I recall watching the Phil Donahue show back in the later 60′s when he had Madelyn Murray O’Hare on the show. Granted, she was truly a vocal and virulent God hater but that’s beside the point. Even at the age of 10 I considered that she may have experienced something dreadful from a supposed “Christian” or was witness to gross hypocrisy from a close family member that became the catalyst that turned her off of God. You never know.

      Anyway, some of the callers I recall were anything but true witnesses of the grace, mercy and love of God. One woman who called the show told Ms O’Hare that she hoped she would “die in horrible agony and hoped that agony would continue for eternity as she burned in hell.” Wow. Considering that Christ tells us that he is unwilling that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance, I find this sort of statement, by a christian, to be as inconceivable as fresh water springing from a sewer. No one wanted to understand Ms O’Hare, to learn where she was coming from and offer her any hope. Even if she rejected the message, she should have been loved and prayers offered for her.

      I believe that intrinsically, deep down in the human psyche, is an innate knowledge of that unseen element (that is with the naked eye) that we know as spirituality. I’ve seen so many personal profiles on various sights from facebook to match.com where people refer to themselves as “spiritual” but not “religious.” What exactly does that mean? I have that intrinsic and innate knowledge of all things spiritual but I choose not to develop that knowledge into understanding? Preferring rather to drift through life in a sort of spiritual haze? That’s just not reasonable or logical. It’s like with freedom, liberty and self determination. It requires discipline, hard work and sacrifice not only to achieve them, but also to keep them.

      There are far too few people in our society and culture today who have the discipline or the willingness to put into their faith what it really takes to truly be “Christ Like” which is the definition the word “Christian.” I guess what I’m saying is “Put your money where your mouth is”….so to speak. Christ expressed anger at times, but who was it directed against? Not sinners. Not the tax collectors, (see Biblical reference to Zacheus), prostitutes (see reference to Mary Magdalene) or unbelievers (see reference to the Samaritan woman at the well also Syro-phoenician woman seeking healing for her daughter.) It was directed to the religious leaders for their constant hypocrisy and tendency to nullify Gods word for the sake of their traditions.

      What did Christ say? Something similar to what John the Baptist said when he saw members of the religious order coming to him for baptism? He said…..”you brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath that is to come? Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance!” Jesus said to them…..”Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrits….you bind men with heavy burdens that you won’t even touch with your little finger. You make long prayers in the public square in an effort to impress men. Your prayers are vain and meaningless for you have appealed to men and not to God.”

      What else are we taught in the scriptures? “It is time for judgement to begin at the house of God. And if it begin with us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?” Christians are under judgement as well as unbelievers. Christian judgement is of a different nature, but it is judgement just the same. My mother used to say that if we all spent the kind of time that we should as individuals, sweeping the dirt off our own front porches, we wouldn’t have the time to be pointing out the dirt on other peoples porches. This is what is meant when Christ tells us…”Judge not, lest you be judged. For the measure you meet out to others is the same measure that you will receive.” Christians are to judge themselves daily to see if they are truly “In the faith.” The standard for our “self judgement” is Gods word and the life of Christ we see in it. Not the guy next door.

      It’s so easy to walk through life today as Christians in a western culture, and look at the “Obvious or apparent” sins of others and hold them in disdain, without having the same sense of disdain for ourselves and the sins we harbor in our own hearts. Repentance is a gift from God that we need to avail ourselves of daily. No one wants to examine their lives. It’s like you said tolerance1, there are so many “believers” who’ve never read their Bibles through from Genesis to Revelation even once. Many have basically correct theology but so little of it has gone from their heads to their hearts. A Pastor in the north Dallas area who pastors what is referred to as a Mega-Church, never preaches on sin, repentance or judgement. Why? To quote him he says…” I want my people to feel good about themselves and their lives when they come to and when they leave my church.” Oh to be sure he preaches faith and prosperity. If I were to close my eyes and just listen to his sermons, I would think I was listening to Tony Robbins giving a motivational speech on the “7 principles for success and wealth.”

      We have the written word of God in which Christ, the living word of God, is revealed but we still miss it. It’s like when someone approaches the Bible from a strictly “secular” perspective. We find it is an accurate historical record of events described, and can see it’s proofs through archeology but that’s about as far as it goes. There’s little there to stake ones faith on. We must come from the perspective that disavows miracles, signs and wonders because no rational human being could believe in such things. Paul recalls the lessons learned from the time of Moses when he was used by God to bring His people out of Egypt into the promised land. God spoke through Moses to tell the people to go up and take the land. 12 spies were sent out to recon the land on the other side of the Jordan river. When the 12 spies returned they all said that the land was just as God had described it. But 10 of the 12 spies added a proviso based purely on their 5 senses and human reasoning. They said….”The land indeed flows with milk and honey, BUT.” This is what I refer to as “The theology of the posterior.” There is always a BUTT, and it always stinks. Anyway, they said……”BUT there are giants in the land and we are like grasshoppers in comparison to them. There’s no way we can do it.” Paul compares this situation to our Christian experience. He said that “The Hebrews heard the same word from God as you have heard from us, yet they received no benefit from it. Why? Because they did not combine faith with what they heard.” They remained on the wrong side of the river. They couldn’t enter into what God had provided for them because of their unbelief. The same holds true for all of us today. If we believe Gods word and the reports of the 2 spies that had faith in God, we’ll enter into His rest and provision for both life and godliness. If we don’t, our lives will continue to be sure, but they will be lived on the wrong side of the river. As the unbelieving generation wandered in the wilderness, subsisting on Gods desert rations, manna, for 40 years til the last of them was dead, and would no longer be a drag on the faith of the nation, so our lives will also be lived in the relative wilderness of this present world. Oh we may accomplish something of note for the history books, although most people don’t, we perish, knowing only life in the basest and meanest of terms. Donald Trump, in all his wealth, success and notariety, is little more than a poor blind beggar hoping to come across the proverbial nut that the blind squirrel from time to time comes across. What Paul is saying is “Mix faith with what you’re hearing. You know what this life has to offer, take a chance on yourself, see yourself in Gods hands and let him lead you into what he’s promised to all those who believe.

      There’s the rub. Faith goes beyond reason. The human mind is so small. The gap between what we know about the world around us and what is still unknown is not just a gap but a absolutely unbridgeable chasm. The same is true not only with regards to the sciences of physics, astronomy, mathematics, chemistry, etc, etc but of truly knowing God in all His vastness. I’ve known “Giants” in the field of theology, or at least people who liked to be considered giants who have knowledge but lack the ability to apply it. This kind of knowledge, without an equal portion of divine inspiration is mostly dead, empty and of little use. The point I’m making is this.

      When it gets down to it, I must agree with an author who said that “All I ever needed to know from a theological perspective is summed up in the nursery school song….Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so. Little ones to Him belong, they are weak but he is strong. Jesus loves me, He will stay, close beside me all the way. If I love Him when I die, He will take me home on high. Yes Jesus loves me, yes Jesus loves me, yes Jesus loves me the Bible tells me so.”

      It’s hard enough for people to grasp and hold on to that as Christians. Can anyone know the deepest depths or the highest heights of God, His power, His love, His mercy, His grace and yes, His judgments? Not in a million years. As Paul said “For now we look in a glass darkly. But then, when we see Him face to face, we will know Him as he has known us.” Likewise, can the human mind, secularly speaking, know all there is to know about the world around us? Again, not in a million years.

      With knowledge so limited. Restricted to just the 5 senses, what can be seen, either by the naked eye or enhanced by the most powerful electron microscopes or celestial telescopes, what can be heard, smelled, tasted or touched, the secularist, atheist/agnostic is only looking through a glass darkly. Just like we are when we examine our knowledge of God. Even atheists take leaps of faith. When you shut your eyes at night, you make the assumption, or believe that you will wake up in the morning. Despite the fact that a large number of people around the world every day don’t wake up in the morning. At least not in this physical world. Shouldn’t that give you pause? Shouldn’t you fear closing your eyes to sleep since it is a possibility that you may not wake up?

      When you get in your car to go to work each day. Do you worry about whether or not your car will start? No. Even though thousands of people each day experience the “dead battery.” Does it make you despair of the motor vehicle being a viable mode of transportation? No we all just take it “by faith” that the car will start. While some of those offering comment referred to atheism as a religion, they are just a little off base. Atheism, by itself is not religious, it has no form of worship in and of itself. However, atheism within the context of the true “secular religion” if those terms aren’t too mutually exclusive, is quite religious in nature. The oxi-moron of “secular religion” I refer to is Called Secular Humanism. In essence, this philosophy provides the frame work for an amazingly elaborate set of rules that governs life on earth apart from a spiritual context. Man takes the throne as the most highly “evolved” animal on the planet. Darwin’s work, “The origin of the species” Marx’s work “Die Staat” or “The State” provide the key foundational stones upon which the religion is built. However, the concept of evolution directly contradicts established and accepted laws of nature around us. One of the most basic laws of physics is the law of entropy.
      This law states that all matter in the universe is in a state of decay. It is breaking down in form from complex to simple. Evolution teaches that we are improving, going from simple to complex, through various random processes. There is natural selection or the concept of “survival of the fittest.” Random convergence, that teaches us that as a result of certain proteins and other organic molecules and atomic structures coming together as a matter of happenstance or accidentally, is what gave rise to life as we know it on planet earth over a period of billions of years. What about the Higgs Bozon otherwise known as “The God particle.” That energy or power that holds everything together. This particle is what keeps an atom together even though the positively charged protons in the nucleus and the negatively charged electrons that orbit the nucleus should fly apart. Nothing of matter or energy should exist in a state as we know them but they do. And all because of the God particle.

      Just another one of those inexplainables. We can hypothesize until the cows come home. We can theorize, which is what the concept of evolution is….a theory, also til hell freezes over, but in the end, we all must either take that leap of faith that leads to life, or keep smashing atoms and scraping around in the dirt for more fossils or as the Bible puts it in the book of Romans chapter 1 verse 23…..”they exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and of four footed animals and crawling creatures.” We look in the dust of the ground for evidence of our origins. What a waste. Man was made a little lower than God, so says the Bible. Look where the vanity of our own thoughts have taken us. I know I probably don’t appeal to the atheist or unbeliever, but I would like to make an appeal. Try for a moment to see this amazing world through the eyes of the one who made it out of nothing,JUST FOR YOU.

      Imagine being loved as a baby in it’s mothers or fathers arms. That infant doesn’t know who they are. It doesn’t need to know. All that baby knows is that it is wrapped in soft, warm blankets. It feels the love through it’s parents touch, kiss, caress and a gentle voice. It wants and needs all it can get and then some. This is how we know God. We need him, so sense His love, His touch, His caress and gentle voice to assure us that we are loved in spite of our unloveliness at times. Ever hold a stinky baby that just did #2 in the diaper? There is nothing we could ever do that will change the way Mom and Dad feel about us. To be sure we can disappoint and sadden them at times when we do our own thing. But in the end, God waits for us, looking to the horizon in all directions waiting for us to reconsider our ways (repent) and humble ourselves to come to him with contrite heart to seek his forgiveness, grace and mercy and to hold us and love us once again. I can assure you He’s there tolerant1. I hope you have a great day and a great life and that at some point in time you will consider taking that wonderful leap of faith.

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  2. jenerseaComment by jenersea
    November 19, 2012 @ 9:08 am

    Actually they can put a Nativity Scene up beside the moron exhibit, the morons just want equal time.

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    • gopluvaComment by gopluva
      November 19, 2012 @ 9:22 am

      Yes they could do that.But why are atheists so afraid of Christ/That must mean they believe in him. They are afraid because he teaches us to be good to our fellows. Atheists seem to only believe in self. The morons as you call them do not just want equal time. They want religion gone. Read what the guy says. He doesnt want equality he wants one upmanship.They like nothing better than to change old traditions. Like the gays have done. Everyone says they want equal but they want traditional marriage gone.Also Americanman you are a dreamer and misquoter. The constitution does not call for separation of church and state in that context. It calls for freedom of religion from State. To keep state out of church affairs.

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    • bulldogComment by bulldog
      November 19, 2012 @ 11:36 am

      It is not just “To keep state out of church affairs.” It is also to not allow a state religion, such as the Holy Roman Empire mostly ruled by Germany and the Catholic Church from 962 to 1806 A.D. This is supposed to keep the state (government) from establishing a particular national religion, which is what our founders left in Europe.

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    • kodster5Comment by kodster5
      November 19, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

      Jenersea, the “morons” were trying to squeeze the Nativity Scene out. Remember, the 1st year, the lead “moron” only had 1 booth, out of the 21 available. The following year, he recruited 10 more “morons”, and they were able to get 18 out of the 21 available, which only left 3 booths available for any other religion… they went to 1 Christian church, who was only able to put ONE diorama up, out of the 14 they had with the other churches, and 1 synagogue, to put up a Menorah display. Then the “morons” proceeded to put up displays that INSULTED the other religions. Which is what caused all the ruckus, and viewers became offended at the “morons’” displays. The “morons” are offended by Christianity (in particular), but wanted to “one-upmanship” by offending others with THEIR viewpoints. Instead of just making the displays peacefully, they intentionally aggravated the situation.

      gopluva, bulldog has it right. The clause in the US Constitution was created to prevent the state from establishing one religion over another. The majority of the American colonists came from Britain (granted, there were other nations as well that did the same thing) where they were subject to death if they did not swear alligance and be a member of the state religion (in this case, the Anglican Church of England, established as the state church by King Henry VIII, and still exists, to this day). Our Founding Fathers did not want this to happen in this country, and that’s why they expressly put that into our Constitution.

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    • mach37Comment by mach37
      November 19, 2012 @ 1:45 pm

      GopLuva, most atheists are NOT afraid of Christ; why do you think that? Most atheists (not Damon Vix) are reasonable people, like tolorantone (see his comment, above).

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  3. bobComment by bob
    November 19, 2012 @ 9:35 am

    In a rational community someone would feed Mr. Vix to an alligator.

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  4. Jota_Comment by Jota_
    November 19, 2012 @ 9:44 am

    Thomas Jefferson: “Religions are all alike — founded on fables and mythologies.”

    Of course, that is what he believed, and is the real problem, not seeing ones own religion, and then forcing it on to others, under the belief you know more than anyone else what one should believe.

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    • jimnjoyComment by jimnjoy
      November 19, 2012 @ 11:24 am

      Thomas Jefferson had many different thoughts about God throughout his lifetime. Inscribed on the Jefferson Memorial in Washington,D.C., are his words: “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.”

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    • LardoComment by Lardo
      November 19, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

      I believe Mr. Jefferson was differentiating between “religion” and “faith”. Whereas “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God”… religions are founded upon the doctrines & duties prescribed by men. Often to entice loyalty, towards themselves, from the multitudes.

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  5. munch01907Comment by munch01907
    November 19, 2012 @ 9:51 am

    If this atheist wants no public display of Christmas then he should have to work Christmas day with no overtime or holiday pay. After all, to him the birth of Christ never happened so there is nothing for him to celebrate. As far as I am concerned any and all who agree with him should not benefit from “legal holidays” and “holiday pay” as to them December 25 is just another day.

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    • g8rb8Comment by g8rb8
      November 19, 2012 @ 10:07 am

      Actually, he wanted equal time. He did not take any action to prevent Christians from displaying their beliefs. It’s sad that so many of our fellow Christians expect our government to establish our religion in spite of what the Constitution says. We need to remember that what we ask of our government must be extended to all religious faiths, whether they be Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan, or even satan worshippers. We want prayers in the public schools; whose prayers? Religious symbols in the public parks; whose symbols? I think we would be wise to consider when NOT to open Pandora’s Box. In this case, I think the Santa Monica officials had no backbone and a total lack of respect for Constitutional rights. In this Country, we do not have the right to force our beliefs on this atheist, any more than he has the rights to force his beliefs on us. Now, if we want to move to Iran in sufficient numbers, we would could definitely do that.

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    • kodster5Comment by kodster5
      November 19, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

      The problem is, even though he RECEIVED equal time, is that he recruited other athiests to obtain booths, thereby attempting to squeeze out other religions. Then they resorted to insulting other religions, rather than just making their own displays. That is what offended the other religions. They complain about being offended by what they see, yet they cannot resist offending others by their own actions. Instead of just accepting what they were given, which was the SAME as the other religions, they attempted to grab more than what was fair. This is the typical mindset of liberals (and entitlement recipients).

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 19, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

      For Munch01907: Great post! One small insertions of idea: This atheist in the article is celebrating “Solstice” Winter Solstice to be exact. Are atheist wanting a Federal Holiday declared for all Four Solstices now? Where does that slippery slope stop? What about the holy days of other non christian religions? Do we have to give equal time to every single religious/non religious entity in order to be considered fair to all citizens? That’s allot of darn holidays/religious holy days.

      We are truly a huge melting pot of idea’s and religions/cultures. Each brings with them their home countries traditions. Does that mean we bow to each and everyone? I don’t think so… could be wrong, but its the first answer that pops into my head.

      As a Cali Christian, I will and can celebrate within my home, church and similar groups…I don’t need a city,county or state to tell me how to worship in my own private space, nor when I can worship or celebrate my faith. We as Christians (all flavors and styles) need to celebrate without worrying who in a state, city, or country position thinks. We don’t need a public park…we need our homes, our churches, our community in order to do so…. nothing else.

      Just my two cents… would make these types of stories disappear though.

      ~M

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    • kodster5Comment by kodster5
      November 19, 2012 @ 1:02 pm

      Mystic, how about the home bible study group in San Diego, where the city code officer told them to stop and desist, when they were doing nothing but having members of their church come for a small private bible study? This is discimination that has started to erode at Christianity. Even our own homes are now suspect to the state (city). So, I don’t think these types of stories are going to disappear. They will increase, because Christians all over are persecuted. Yeshua said that this would happen in the end times of the Church Age, that Christians would be persecuted for His name.

      By the way, Winter and Spring Solstices were actually PAGAN holidays. So, I would guess that athiests believe in PAGAN deities, even though they claim they don’t believe in anything but themselves. PAGANS worshipped Tammuz, the sun god, and they celebrated the Solstices as festivals to Tammuz.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 19, 2012 @ 1:18 pm

      For Kodster5: Good points…and good topic! I do believe, if my memory hasn’t failed me, that the San Diego story wasn’t a ‘small’ bible study…but had grown rather large. What San Diego had an issue with was a huge parking issue within a small suburb. Had I been the couple who had grouped together said bible study was to find a proper building with proper parking so no one could say a word about their private right to worship and study as they saw fit.

      And yes, again you are correct in the pagan holidays…several deities…several cultures with different takes on each Solstice…but I digress.

      The larger point within a system of laws is this: What you do for one, you must do for all. When it applies to religion however, I feel states, Fed, country and cities should be taken right off the table and keep any/all religion within the private realm where governmental entities have no say on the matter. Simplistic? Maybe…but it seems the only answer at the time.

      Allow those who enjoy the social progressive agenda to do as they wish within the same laws. What you do for one, you must do for all right? This would take the public displays of atheism right off the public forum and view.

      Just an idea…still working on it. We, as Christians can only be attacked if we allow it to go into a public venue and public cries of discrimination. Take it right off the table and see what the other side does. Imo, they will wither and die, while those who worship will swell and grow and be at peace without unfettered interruption.

      …we must all follow the laws…so lets make the law work for our benefit, instead of it fettering our rights.

      Great post…thanks for taking the time to post it. : }

      ~M

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  6. brightlightComment by brightlight
    November 19, 2012 @ 10:07 am

    Atheists and others do this because they can.However , this period is the time of the persecution of the church and in that we (christians and other religious) are the church we should feel honored that we are singled out yet again this Christmas.They seem to forget the are the minotity and every time they make a spectacle of themselves it just increases the focus and attention onto christianity even more and the end up looking cheap, petty ,foolish,spoiled,ignorant,like a child invited to a party but won’t come and would rather sit in the corner with their arms folded,crying and bumming out everybody else. There are millions and millions of christians throughout the world celebrating.They should ask themselves this question, Are they all nuts or is it me?

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  7. drillbabydrillComment by drillbabydrill
    November 19, 2012 @ 10:08 am

    Atheists, gays, minorities, “career women”, etc. – I pray to My Lord God every day to either convert or smite these types. He is the only one who can save our country now. I fear my children will never know the traditional America I grew up in.

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  8. sexysadieComment by sexysadie
    November 19, 2012 @ 10:21 am

    I wonder if they would be objecting to a depiction of the pedophile prophet teaching little boys and girls….

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  9. brightsidenewsComment by brightsidenews
    November 19, 2012 @ 10:27 am

    Down South we throw in a Santa and a snowman — as long as something secular is visible, no one can say a word. Our nativity is sponsored by the city I live in. Let’s hope Santa Monica is has the guts to keep their nativity.

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  10. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    November 19, 2012 @ 10:33 am

    In California I can understand how this could happen. They are not alone harboring athiests but seem to enjoy them.
    Athiests have no conviction to tell the truth unless they want to for their own reason. If Chales Haynes is a Senior Scholar for the First Amendment Center for Seperation of Church and State, maybe one day he will read it. The number of true Christians provides no proof or disproof of the existance of God. Everything else does though.
    What court interpreted the 1st Amendment to say Seperation of Church and State ?

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  11. g8rb8Comment by g8rb8
    November 19, 2012 @ 10:49 am

    It’s sad to see so many commenters that don’t recognize that they are indeed trying to use the force of law to establish our religion on this County, contrary to what the Constitution states. I regard our Constitution to be a gift from God and he wisely included in that Great Document that the government could not be used to establish any religion. This has been one of the strengths of this great Nation; yet so many of us seem to be willing to defy God and slap him in the face by attempting to impose our religion on everyone. If our religion is so weak that we have to have the heavy hand of government impose our religious beliefs on all who live in this Country, we don’t have much of a religion. Personally, I am secure in the fact that Christianity is quite capable of taking care of itself. The best witnessing is to live life in such a manner that others wish it for themselves. When we use that heavy hand of government to impose our beliefs on others, it is then that we have failed God.

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    • FlyboyComment by Flyboy
      November 20, 2012 @ 12:00 am

      In response to g8rb8: The afore mentioned commentators are not suggesting that the law be used to force our religious beliefs on others in contradiction of the constitution. Quite on the contrary, they are suggesting that the law be interpreted and understood in it’s original context and intent and that it be applied in that manner. I believe many things were taken as common knowledge and possibly for granted by the founders. There was no debate as to whether or not this was a nation founded on the Judeo/Christian world view and morals and ethics. I could quote many of the founders in their understanding of Gods divine providence in the establishing of this new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal and have been endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, among which are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But I won’t here. Suffice it to say, they wanted to avoid a state or national religion as in England over which the King presided as head. This is what was meant by the “establishment clause.” To suggest that religion has no place in the public realm or that of the state was as ludicrous a thought to them as it should be to people now. It was understood that the practice of ones faith was the key element in establishing a moral center, a compass of conscience, if you will, that would allow men to largely and rightly govern themselves. As Thomas Jefferson once said……”this experiment in self government can only succeed if it is practiced by a moral people.”

      It was largely assumed, that since the vast majority of the population was Christian, and biblical principles were used for our founding documents, that the issue of separating the conscience of the nation from the nation itself through virulent secularism was unheard of. But wait. 200 years later, an increasingly secular society seeks to remove religious expression from the public square through gross misinterpretation of the constitution. Now who’s trying to force something down someone else’s throat? The ACLU here in the great state of Texas petitioned the state to change bus routes in a certain county where they considered it “harmful” to students to have to be driven past so many churches. Now even a Church building or other houses of worship are to be avoided because just the sight of them could be “harmful.”

      No, we’re not trying to use the law to force religion on anyone. The same constitution also states that the state shall not establish a religion or……….drum roll, here’s the rest of the clause in context……….hinder the free exercise of religion. In their efforts to remove religion from public sight they violate the 2nd half of the clause. They hinder the free exercise of religion.

      Back in the 50′s and early 60′s Tennessee Ernie Ford had a show on TV. It was kind of a variety show. It featured him in a number of solo’s backed up by his singers known as “The top 20″. There were comedic sketches, guest performers and singers. He always ended his show with a Hymn or a spiritual song of inspiration. His producers at the time were already falling for the lie of Political correctness to a degree. They feared that His performing “religious” songs at the end of the show could provide an offense to some people and wanted him to stop doing it.

      Well guess what? The show began receiving mail from hundreds of thousands of people expressing the fact that they liked and enjoyed the hymns and spirituals on the show. Hurray for the common folk. Expressions of faith win out again over the tepid, fearful few who worry so much about anyone being offended. That’s one right our constitution doesn’t guarantee. The right to not be offended. We aren’t defending God as you suggest. We’re defending our right, as people of faith, to exercise our faith according to the word of God and the dictates of our conscience. Sounds like the same reason the pilgrims left England for the new world.

      Faith is to be openly shared among a free people in a free society and be the subject of discussion and debate. Not an issue that inflames groups like the ACLU to alter bus routes so they don’t pass by any church buildings. We don’t feel our religion is so weak that we need the “heavy hand” of government to forcibly “evangelize” everyone. Faith is a free choice. People choose what to believe, who to believe in or even whether or not to believe. With regards to Christianity the Bible is clear that “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” “How will they (unbeliever) hear unless others are sent?” As it is written How lovely on the mountains are the feet of them that bring the good news.” Did God commission us to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature because he thought this fledgling religion was weak and that He couldn’t grow it Himself? Think about it. We don’t need the government to force ours or anyone else’s beliefs on the people of this nation. As long as His children keep sharing the good news God will grow his church. Again, the scripture is clear. Paul, writing to one of the Churches of which he was the founder said…..”I sowed the seed, Appolos watered that seed, but God gave the increase.” It takes us watering and sowing. Too few people in the Christian community do that anymore. We give up that priviledge and responsibility, mostly out of fear and insecurity and relegate it our professional ministers. Let’s quit armchair quarterbacking and get back in the game.

      Our pastors can pray for us, but they can’t pray FOR us. That means they pray for us but can’t do our praying for us. We all need to assume our roles as priests (bridge builders between God and men) in this world and do what we can do share the good news of Gods love, mercy and forgiveness. It seems more often than not, we consider the riches of the faith that has been delivered to us as a malevolent virus that we fear we will infect others with and so we don’t go out into the world to “spread the infection.” The gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ should go “viral” as they say of youtube videos.

      It needs to invade this world and kill the cancer of sin that makes this world so dark and inhospitable. Maybe the gospel is a virus but certainly not a malevolent one. Again, the trouble seems to be that so many people that call themselves Christians have been exposed to just enough of the virus so as to develop an immunity to it. We’ve been vaccinated by a watered down version of the gospel to the point where it has effectively immunized us from the radically life altering effects of the true gospel. Where do you see yourself in there? We’re not using the government to impose our beliefs on others and in so doing are failing God. We’re just asking the government to continue to recognize that they should not pass laws or in any other way hinder our free exercise of religion. We have not failed God or our fellow man. As Peter said to the Pharisees when they were told to stop preaching in the name of Jesus. All Peter could say was…….”whether it is right in your eyes to obey men rather than God, you be the judge. As for us we cannot help but continue to give testimony to what we have both seen and heard.”

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  12. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    November 19, 2012 @ 10:58 am

    Most nativity scenes are in error but it is custom to even do it in error, just like using eggs and rabbits for Easter, but both are in celebration of the birth and rebirth of our Lord.
    Both of these celebrations have become so popular that it is even celebrated by athiests and non-believers. Some folks even go to a church on these days. As for objecting to these, just wait, you are already witnessing the first preparations to glorification and the end of your time.

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  13. JDZComment by JDZ
    November 19, 2012 @ 11:03 am

    The display by the Atheists typically demean Christianity and the existence of God and, basically, those running government , who are elected by the majority of voters, always seem to take the easy way out and give in to these Atheists. It is interesting that without the belief in God, there would not be something called an “Atheist” or non-believer.

    This country’s founding principles and values were based on Judeo-Christian principles like the “ten commandments” and were the basis of our system of law and order. Our belief in God is reflected in our foundation documents like the “Bill of Rights” and the “Declaration of Independence” and is on all of our denominations of money.

    Now what we see happening are factions of activist groups (or individuals), all under the liberal “umbrella”, feeling empowered to insert themselves through freedom of speech, or other interpretations or “misinterpretations” of some of our laws, to challenge those that believe in God as they attempt to bring atheism up to the level of Christianity or Judaism. And, they do this by demeaning those that believe in God as idiots or worse, and to directly use our established laws to challenge our basic Christian beliefs. If they did this with Muslims, they would probably be physically attacked but Christians are much more tolerant.

    What is bad about all of this is that it smells like what has happened to other great dynasties in the history of the world which were brought down from within. When the governing bodies of a country begin to move away from the rigid interpretation of our laws toward more and more “off mainstream” interpretation (liberal interpretation) of existing law and allow these liberal interpretations to replace the conventional and majority interpretation and “original intent” of the law, this ultimately leads to chaos and lack of control.

    We are now seeing a broad based set of challenges by such factions as Atheists, Gay rights advocates, women’s rights, minorities, etc. stretching the interpretation of freedom of speech, equal rights, etc. and getting liberal judges encouraged by liberal law firms to “re-interpret” existing law to their advantage.

    This country is going down as it is giving up it’s foundation of law and order and conservative values that has kept us strong for centuries as it accommodates and caters to the liberal mentality that is embraced under the Democratic Party umbrella. Free spending, atheism, pornography, sex without personal responsibility, entitlements at all levels, instant gratification, gifts without working to earn them, same sex marriage, drugs, infidelity, and a lack of belief and fear of God are all a part of this liberal mentality.

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    • mytake8Comment by mytake8
      November 19, 2012 @ 12:40 pm

      It appears that all here forget that these principals come from what the Egyptians taught Moses.He,knowing that the Hebrews had learned in 200 plus years of slavery what the Egyptians considered right and wrong,was well aware that they would not accept any information or RULES from a man raised as an Egyptian or any RULES proclaimed to be from Egyptian Gods.Therefore he needed to introduce them to a NEW GOD by claiming that this new god had freed them from their slavery and they owed their alliegence to this NEW God.He then presented them with the TEN COMMANDMENTS but immediately set down his own RULES to protect his authority and insure that his tribe was protected and provided for.
      As a result we have all these conflicting ideas about what the ONE AND ONLY REAL GOD,RULER OF THE UNIVERSE,has in mind for us to understand and accept. That is why Jesus was sent to teach us his plan for us to fulfill our lives and make it more abundant and enjoyable.Moses had made it more confining by declaring all natural feelings and emotions to be sinful requiring sacrifice and financial contributions to his church and God as overseen by his tribe.

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    • kodster5Comment by kodster5
      November 19, 2012 @ 1:14 pm

      Excuse me, mytake8, but it wasn’t Moses that imposed the 613 rules upon the Jews, but Yahweh. The purpose of the laws was to show the Jews that they couldn’t possibly live up to the standards imposed upon them. Now, at Mt. Sinai, those 613 rules were condensed down into 10, the 10 Commandments. Also, out of those 613 rules, there was purpose behind them… commandments that Yahweh had meaning for them. If you would study the purposes of these rules, then you would understand why the Jews still do them to this day. For example, celebrating the Feasts, such as Passover, Sukkot, et al. These are important days (Passover was to be celebrated as the night the Jews escaped Egypt’s slavery, but it is also the Feast upon which Yeshua became the Passover lamb of sacrifice, to provide a way to escape the slavery of sin of His believers). Every event of the Jewish faith has purpose and meaning. Take the time to discover it, and your understanding will be clearer.

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  14. bobvansComment by bobvans
    November 19, 2012 @ 11:24 am

    Sadly, the courts like to rewrite laws rather than interpret them.

    The 1st Amendment was to prevent government from DICTATING a religion. That is the true meaning of separation of Church and State. Just because a group displays something doesn’t mean it is endorsed.

    Why don’t the atheists just relax and if they choose not to believe, so be it. Just stop trying to impose their beliefs on everyone else.

    We are a Christian based nation and we are letting a very small percentage of people dictate to us.

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  15. BarbComment by usa4ever
    November 19, 2012 @ 11:28 am

    Some people just have such sorry lives and small minds the only thing that brings them pleasure is causing turmoil for others!

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    • Bayushi ZeroComment by Bayushi Zero
      November 19, 2012 @ 1:06 pm

      That is effectively all that was intended by this Vix moron. He wanted to upset the Christians who stopped to view the nativity scene.

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  16. gopjoeComment by gopjoe
    November 19, 2012 @ 11:29 am

    It’s the same old story, if a Republican doesn’t agree with your religion/lack thereof, he passes you by and goes about his business, if he doesn’t like a tv show, he changes the channel, if he doesn’t like a book, he doesn’t buy it. The libs/athieists want to shut down your church, take your tv show off of the air and have your book taken off of the shelf. This isn’t about equal time it’s about controlling your life and your beliefs. Never give up the fight to these people and always remember that you’re in the majority.

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    • carnuckComment by Jim Blair
      November 19, 2012 @ 11:39 am

      Next they will be requiring all cities to change their name to remove Santa or religious references from them.

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  17. mach37Comment by mach37
    November 19, 2012 @ 11:52 am

    What? Prohibiting the free exercise of religion in Santa Monica? Don’t these administrators realize that is the very first item expressed in the First Amendment? Freedom of speech does not mean one group can shout down other groups.

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    • bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
      November 19, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

      Me thinks it has more to do with “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” than “freedom of speech”, in relation to a nativity scene.
      In other words..Santa Monica, the first amendment of the Constitution of the US says it is an exercise of the church to display a nativity scene each year and no law can be written to prevent it from congress or anybody else. So Pfffttt !

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  18. ConservativeNotRepublicanComment by ConservativeNotRepublican
    November 19, 2012 @ 12:01 pm

    Atheism is a non-prophet religion

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  19. hoosiermoComment by hoosiermo
    November 19, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

    Atheists actually do have a religion. They passionately believe that all traditional faiths are wrong. The Constitution prohibits any religion from infringing on another. That means atheists can’t push their belief at the expense of all other religions.

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  20. mytake8Comment by mytake8
    November 19, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

    If you read what Jesus taught,keeping an open mind and heart,you will learn that the Church has taught you wrong for the past 2000 years.Everything you have been taught and condemn others for is NOT a sin with the exception of having children that are NOT WANTED.Use protection and you will not commit this sin or require an abortion or spread STD’S AND AID’S virus.

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  21. mrparkerComment by mrparker
    November 19, 2012 @ 1:10 pm

    Once again, it’s the tyranny by the minority.

    Atheism is a cult, one step lower than the Westboro “Baptist” Church.

    The Gaylor’s, from their offices in Madison WI, try to influence the entire country threatening big cities to the smallest towns. They preach hate about all religions but especially Christianity. They have no principles, except from their prophet Anne Nicole Gaylor, who started her perverted crusade by demanding abortions on demand.

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  22. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    November 19, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

    RELIGION..1) the service and worship of God or the supernatural 2) commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance.
    ATHEIST…one who denies the existance of God.
    ATHEISM..a disbelief in the existance of deity. Ungodliness, Wickedness, Infidel.
    Compliments of Webster

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  23. wdjincComment by wdjinc
    November 19, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

    Pathetic! Obama and judges are stamping out Christmas. Next thing you know will be changing Christmas from being a national holiday.

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    • vevaComment by veva
      November 19, 2012 @ 5:27 pm

      The “commercial interests” will demand to leave it alone. It’s the biggest revenue-generating event, every year!

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  24. mach37Comment by mach37
    November 19, 2012 @ 1:52 pm

    I take hostile issue with the First Amendment being “interpreted by courts as providing for separation of church and state, barring government bodies from promoting, endorsing or funding religion or religious institutions.” I believe that interpretation is very erroneous and needs to be visited again by the Supreme Court. To say that any act by a non-Federal civil organization is the same as Congress Making a Law is a ridiculous interpretation. That needs to be fought tooth and nail.

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    • bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
      November 19, 2012 @ 2:20 pm

      I don’t think that is what it says. 1st Amendment says congress is to make no law respecting an establishment of religion….etc. (in other words: the feds are to buzz off and leave the churches alone.)
      As for non federal civil organizations like Santa Monica telling the church to not put up the nativity display, they are going by what the atheist groups said just to ignore the heat. Furthermore, I believe you will find that cities try to refrain from making laws respecting churches as well.
      Could be wrong…was once.

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    • Ollie_FanComment by Ollie_Fan
      November 19, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

      @bizzybuzzer – I believe that is what was taught by my university pre-law professor. It general he interpreted it as government cannot choose one official religion for the nation, yet it should not obstruct citizens from conducting their religious beliefs.
      Now if the majority of the populace in any given locale decides that they prefer to celebrate their beliefs in a public square, why should government stand in the way in favor of those who do not?

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  25. Ollie_FanComment by Ollie_Fan
    November 19, 2012 @ 2:23 pm

    Ever notice that when it comes to Christmas, the left doesn’t want to offend those who are not Christians or push our religion on everyone.
    Yet, they force me to accept the gay community and all their prancing and parading about and I have to keep my yap shut or be ridiculed as a bigot.
    Once again, sick of the double standard(which bugs me more than the actual disagreement).

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