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Senators propose comprehensive immigration changes

By Michael Salcedo

WASHINGTON (AP) - Two senators on opposite sides of the aisle are proposing comprehensive changes to the immigration laws that would include a pathway to citizenship for the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants now in the United States.

Democrat Chuck Schumer of New York and Republican Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who promoted similar proposals on separate Sunday news shows said that no path to citizenship would be available until the country's borders were secure.

Only then could those in the U.S. without authorization "come out of the shadows, get biometrically identified, start paying taxes, pay a fine for the law they broke," Graham told CBS' "Face the Nation." "They can't stay unless they learn our language, and they have to get in the back of line before they become citizens. They can't cut in front of the line regarding people who are doing it right and it can take over a decade to get their green card." A green card grants permanent residency status - a step toward citizenship.

Schumer told NBC's "Meet the Press" that he and Graham have resumed talks on immigration policy that broke off two years ago and "have put together a comprehensive detailed blueprint on immigration reform" that has "the real potential for bipartisan support based on the theory that most Americans are for legal immigration, but very much against illegal immigration."

Graham, however, made no mention of working with the chairman of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, refugees and border security.

Immigration policy, largely ignored during President Barack Obama's first four years in office, has re-emerged as a major issue as Republicans seek ways to rebound from their election performance. More than 70 percent of Hispanic voters supported Obama, who has been more open than Republicans to comprehensive overhaul of immigration laws.

Three days after Tuesday's election, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said it was time to address immigration policy. He urged Obama to take the lead in coming up with a plan that would look at both improved enforcement of immigration law and the future of the estimated 11 million people living in the country illegally. Boehner, however, did not commit to the citizenship issue.

Graham said that the "tone and rhetoric" Republicans used in the immigration debate of 2006 and 2007 "has built a wall between the Republican Party and Hispanic community," causing Hispanic support to dwindle from 44 percent in 2004 to 27 percent in 2012.

"This is an odd formula for a party to adopt, the fastest growing demographic in the country, and we're losing votes every election. It's one thing to shoot yourself in the foot, just don't reload the gun. I intend not to reload this gun when it comes to Hispanics. I intend to tear this wall down and pass an immigration reform bill that's an American solution to an American problem," he said.

Both senators said the overhaul would include developing a secure document to assure employers they're hiring people authorized to work in the country, and allowing legal immigration for needed workers at all skill levels. The path to citizenship would require immigrants to learn English, go to the back of the citizenship line, have a job and not commit crimes.

Graham said the overhaul would have to be done in such a way that "we don't have a third wave of illegal immigration 20 years from now. That's what Americans want. They want more legal immigration and they want to fix illegal immigration once and for all."

In exit polls on Tuesday, The Associated Press found 65 percent favored offering most illegal immigrants workers in the United States a chance to apply for legal status, more than double the number who said most should be deported. Even among Republicans, the party associated with crackdowns on illegal immigration, about half favored a path toward staying in the U.S.

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  1. teapartyproudComment by teapartyproud
    November 13, 2012 @ 6:36 am

    Lindsey Grahamnesty has crawled out of the woodwork again. We’re hearing the same garbage as in 1986 that Ted Kennedy spewed.

    Amnesty was granted and the borders would be sealed.We got millions more illegals pouring over the borders that were never closed, and thus , a bigger problem.

    Reagan admitted that agreeing to amnesty was the biggest mistake he made. We should not repeat that mistake. It will be the final nail in the coffin of America as founded.

    It will not be reversible.

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    • ccfontenComment by ccfonten
      November 13, 2012 @ 10:09 am

      You are right of course. Gramnesty and Chuck U Schumer are two peas in a pod. Gramnesty was only acting like a conservative Republican while the elections were on going. As soon as he saw that the dems won, he reverted to his usual RINO whiny self.

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      November 13, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

      “. . .no path to citizenship would be available until the country’s borders were secure.”

      As teaparty said, “We’re hearing the same garbage as in 1986 that Ted Kennedy spewed.” It didn’t work then because the politicians lied to us and it won’t work this time because the politicians are lying again.

      “. . .those in the U.S. without authorization “come out of the shadows, get biometrically identified, start paying taxes, pay a fine for the law they broke,” Graham told CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “They can’t stay unless they learn our language, and they have to get in the back of line before they become citizens. They can’t cut in front of the line regarding people who are doing it right and it can take over a decade to get their green card.”

      The same requirements mentioned earlier which will never be accepted because the illegals don’t want to assimilate, learn our language, and go to the back of the line. Neither do they want to pay fines and start paying taxes. I suspect that all these criteria are mentioned in order to appease the citizens because they want the issue addressed. It should be handled in two separate pieces of legislation: 1) secure the borders, and 2) when we are convinced the borders are secured and the illegal invasion has ceased, THEN pass legislation dealing with those who are already here.

      The politicians use terms like “comprehensive” reform meaning make the legislation so complicated that it won’t work, yet they can always say their tried.

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    • Kona BonnComment by donmann1
      November 13, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

      I saw Graham, on one of the talk shows and he was talking about how much heat he took from his last amnesty proposal. I guess some people just don’t know when to quit. We all know about the liberal Chuck Shumer and how he was an architect of the 1986 amnesty working with Ted Kennedy. Hispanics are now 14% of the nations population and that includes their illegal family members. Why would a majority of the country, want to fulfill the demands of the 3rd world and people who do not belong here? I am a registered Independent that voted for Romney and align with conservative values. I watched part of the DNC convention and couldn’t believe how far left they’ve become. If the Rep. Leadership want to align themselves with that trash, then go ahead, but count me out. I will not be any part of it.. NO Amnesty! Enforce the laws..

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    • gopluvaComment by gopluva
      November 13, 2012 @ 9:06 pm

      No one seems to figure out that the high demographics are because of ILLEGAL immigration. Not due to legally coming here. Amnesty is a big mistake and just another way to garner votes.Graham may as well be a democrat, and McConnell too. They vote more with Dems than with conservatives.

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    • nax777Comment by nax777
      November 15, 2012 @ 2:36 am

      Pubs swept into the majority in 1994 and had the votes in both houses to stop illegal immigration with the simple E-Verify bill which would have made fences and walls obsolete and taken away any poor illegal’s way to survive, jobs. They had the votes in both houses to reduce legal immigration numbers which might have prevented 9/11.
      Then speaker of the house Newt, block these bills. When Pubs know there is no chance for needed immigration security laws to pass they are all for it. When the votes might be there they block these bills. I do not think the votes are there now or then. Allowing votes on these bills will only prove just how many Pubs are grant standing the issue even though they wrote it or co-sponsored the bills and then vote against it.
      My NE congressman Lee Terry has been there 14 years. Campaigns a somewhat tough talk about immigration but never even co-sponsored an immigration bill until this year and even then just one. His poll numbers where down and barely won re-election. At his coffees and town halls Terry verbally slaps down anyone that brings up immigration except if a legal immigrant brings it up. Then Terry will explain how he is trying but is out numbered. Terry grant stands for votes and if forced to vote he will not vote against his donors. Terry proved his colors in 2000 when actual votes on some bills happened and he voted against them, excuse was they had other things in them he did not like though nothing changed but his support for them.
      http://www.numbersusa.com / http://www.goooh.com

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  2. wigglwagonComment by wigglwagon
    November 13, 2012 @ 7:45 am

    If Republicans do not start catering to criminals the way Democrats do, they are history.

    The ’86 Amnesty produced about 3 times as many illegal aliens as were estimated. This time, I’m betting it will be at least 4 or 5 times as many as estimated.  That is roughly another 50-60 million.  The GOP really will be a  thing of the past if they agree to that.

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    • ccfontenComment by ccfonten
      November 13, 2012 @ 10:14 am

      The Republican party is already dead. The American people have essentially with this re-election of obama, assured that the Republican party will never win another national election. We now have a one party system due to this.
      To quote an anonymous writer who posted recently on another conservative web site that in order to have a conservative get elected to a national office (president), “It would be easier to nail horse shoes on a whale’s behind and enter it in the Kentucky Derby!”

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      November 13, 2012 @ 11:02 am

      First, Republican does not equate to conservative

      Second, “Republican party will never win another national election” can only be true if the Democrats magically learn how to run the economy, and to do that they will need to start putting into place conservative principles

      What people tend to over look, the ship still functions the same regardless of who is at the helm

      It is about principles, not parties

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    • 77fordComment by 77ford
      November 13, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

      The Republican Party did not lose it was totally fraud election when you have voter turnouts that voted from 99% to 141% that proves mass fraud on the democrats

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    • canada3dayerComment by canada3dayer
      November 13, 2012 @ 7:01 pm

      one of the biggest problems with BOTH parties is that they are catering to the extremists on both sides. neither one is anything like they used to be. the Democrats are now controlled by, electing and trying to appease the extreme liberals and the Republicans are controlled by, electing and trying to appease the extreme conservatives/evangelicals and the vast majority of the country is neither. personally I think this will eventually lead to both parties becoming more marginalized, and a party such as the Libertarian Party will become more important.

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  3. MustLiveFreeComment by MustLiveFree
    November 13, 2012 @ 8:51 am

    Wouldn’t it be more efficient to continue to ignore the laws currently in place, rather than waste time devising a complete new set of laws to ignore?

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    • BobinmsComment by Bobinms
      November 13, 2012 @ 8:53 pm

      Right on, Must!

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  4. Jota_Comment by Jota_
    November 13, 2012 @ 8:58 am

    “paying taxes”
    “pay a fine”
    “learn our language”
    “can’t cut in front”

    And this will all happen because the government was good at stopping them at the border, which is hundreds of times easier to enforce than any of the above.

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    • lindatComment by lindat
      November 13, 2012 @ 5:38 pm

      We should stop teaching the illegals English in schools, and replace all signs, forms and such with English only.
      It would save the education system money, plus they would HAVE to learn English to be here.

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  5. bizzybuzzerComment by bizzybuzzer
    November 13, 2012 @ 10:02 am

    The growers need the illegals so they can get cheap labor. When we go to the market and buy produce finding it cheap considering growing, harvesting, shipping, wholesaling and retailing most items are around $2.00 a pound average. It is consumed by the buyer who also pays for the other costs to support illegals which turns out to be very costly ending up with a total of not around $2.00 but $3.44 a pound or more.

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      November 13, 2012 @ 10:17 am

      I would love to see that the hidden costs for illegal alien labor be printed on every product. So, pay 2 here, and later, 4. And it is a cost that will not go away, but will continue.

      The users of illegals… simply laugh it to the bank. Banana Republik America, here we come.

      Thank you gutless negative star comrade.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 13, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

      For BizzyBuzzer: Those figures are ‘scare tactic’ figures by those who are within the agricultural fields that produce some/most of our food stuffs. Reality is a bit more common senses and fact based. 1. Growers make dollars per pound for pennies in investment past the initial investment (3-5 years based on crop type/new farm investment). 2. Large corporate farms take millions annually from tax coffers as well as make a sizable profit annually..and then deduct large tax breaks for being solely in the agricultural business. 3. If a agricultural business can’t be competitive within their specific market, then they should not even try..as they obviously don’t understand their market nor the base principals of economic supply and demand. 4. Small family farms/non corporate farms are ‘paid’ by the federal government (and paid well and at top dollar for their specific product) to plant less/grow less so foreign markets can sell their product to boost their economy….while hurting ours. IE: (fruit from Chilli, Venezuelan produce, Mexican beef, et al)

      You see once the FDA/USDA/Farm subsidies get involved, the free market principals that usually rule any business go right out the window. Over $3.44 a pound for say, red apples… the public would simply grow their own…which takes that particular farmer right off the market. They, the farmers, know this, and thus, throw out far reaching numbers in order to make us watch their right hand while ignoring or not seeing what they are doing with their left.

      Just saying….

      ~M

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      November 13, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

      Mystic, you forget that “apples” can’t be grown in every part of the nation. It’s interesting that you attack farm subsidies and bemoan the free market when almost everything in this country is subsidized by the federal government. I mean things like transportation, education, arts and sciences, energy, medical care, and all those subsidies are attached to regulations. So where is the free market?

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    • canada3dayerComment by canada3dayer
      November 13, 2012 @ 7:08 pm

      if they want legal labour, how about making the able-bodied welfare recipients work those jobs? kill two birds with one stone that way.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 14, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

      For Bna42: Not bemoaning the free market verses food/public services jobs. I am pointing out that difference between heavily subsidized products/business verses the free market principals that would FIX the topic en-mass. Education could be put into this topic within the relevance of what is ‘produced’. I’d say at this rate, all the education system produces is rotten fruit/spoiled goods. The same could be said for energy, medical research and care, transportation and infrastructure. Bottom line, the system which was initially set up to work with free market principals has now degenerated into a system of entitlements..which produces idiocy and corrupt results. The free market/capitalism principals do much better, produce a better product for less then any Federally run program. That is my point.

      Yes, I am aware that not all regions of the US can raise any particular produce and or chattel. I used apples as an example as that is the example given by BizzyBuzzer (3.44 a lb for apples) to make an economic point. You can replace apples with any other product you wish as it pertains to the agricultural side of products produced. : }

      I worked a apple farm for my father (he’s owned it over 20 years). It’s hard work for a family farm with limited income past over head and loss. To be offered not to grow, or to be paid to produce less then what is available to grow and produce, is what makes those apples or would make those apples 3.44 a lb. Any farmer will tell you the bottom line truth between what is practical, and what the government is making available for whatever economic/global reason. (Like boosting another nations agricultural business in order to shore up that nations economic bottom line.) We can’t afford to do it any longer…if ever we could.

      As always, enjoy the punditry Bna… good idea’s and well rounded conversation always. : }

      ~M.

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  6. Dingbat36Comment by Dingbat36
    November 13, 2012 @ 10:03 am

    Here we go again with “Gramnesty Amnesty”! Would someone please tell this idiot to GO AWAY.

    I would rather see some laws denying “perks” which are supposed to be for citizens only like Social Security for people who have never contributed a DIME. Why is government using these people as political footballs?

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    • canada3dayerComment by canada3dayer
      November 13, 2012 @ 7:05 pm

      why? I can answer that in one word – VOTES.

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  7. ccfontenComment by ccfonten
    November 13, 2012 @ 10:19 am

    You know, no matter how they tweak/change the immigration laws, if the borders are not secure, they might just as well roll out the welcome mats all over our borders!
    Telling the illegals that they have to pay a fine, learn the language, get a job and that those who want to get here legally will have their applications processed in a more timely fashion and it will be cheaper to do so……..there are ALWAYS going to be those who either cannot pay the fees/fines to get here or will not………and they will come anyway!
    How stupid are these politicians?
    Obviously they think we are more stupid than they are! Because they are trying to push this off on us!

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      November 13, 2012 @ 8:42 pm

      Your point is very well taken. These self-proclaimed immigration reformers think that all the illegals are going to participate in this grand plan and they’ll all become good citizens and everyone will live happily ever after. What about the illegals who couldn’t give a c**p less about a pathway to citizenship or learning English, or any of the other stuff the politicians are pushing? There’s absolutely no motivation for the illegals to do anything different than they’re doing right now, and all these “immigration reform” politicians need to wake up and smell the coffee. If we Republicans lose the Hispanic vote because we’re doing the right thing, then so be it.

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  8. BillzillaComment by Billzilla
    November 13, 2012 @ 10:28 am

    Because our “leaders” have neither secured our borders, nor enforced our immigration laws, our Nation has been invaded by foreigners. While the invaders have been unarmed (mostly), they’ve still invaded us. Now, instead of securing the borders, or enforcing the laws, they’re ready to raise the white flag of surrender to the invading hoards, in order to pander for votes! Shame on them! A pox on their houses!

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  9. JDZComment by JDZ
    November 13, 2012 @ 10:59 am

    There is no real need for some new set of “comprehensive” immigration laws as the ones we have in place, if enforced and followed, have proven to work for the best interests of the country for generations. Yes, they could be streamlined and updated to accommodate changes in the state of the union as of this timeframe, but no major changes are required.

    Our contemporary immigration problems started when millions of illegals were allowed to come into our country, are being hidden in so-called sanctuary cities, given all kinds of “freebies” and support by both private charities and government. We made the problem worse by giving their children, born after illegally entering the country, US citizenship and the benefits that automatically comes with US citizenship. These are children born to illegal immigrants who are hiding in the country, who typically cannot read or speak our language, but they are aware that once they have children who are given citizenship, they have a new lease on life.

    So, how will new “comprehensive” immigration laws change or improve anything? I would like to understand both the premise and the perceived problems that will be solved. I would like to understand how our perverted Hispanic immigration situation impacts the rest of others who re in the pipeline trying to come into the country.

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  10. phunyfarmComment by phunyfarm
    November 13, 2012 @ 11:06 am

    Let’s just circle the entire country with a “NO VACANCY, NO MORE MONEY, GO AWAY” tape like protecting a crime scene thing.
    That should work as well as anything else tried, be cheap too.
    Another plus, eureka… it will also be protecting a crime scene. I have now promised an end to immigration problems. I will be running for president soon. Thank you.

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  11. mvotano58Comment by mvotano58
    November 13, 2012 @ 11:07 am

    “get biometrically identified” That is the scariest part of the whole article. What does that actually mean? Didn’t Bush also come up with a plan that the no could agree on either. As I recall he was almost laughed off the Hill over it.

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  12. arwenusaComment by arwenusa
    November 13, 2012 @ 11:12 am

    I don’t believe Washington’s figure of only 11 million illegals. It is to the benefit of those who wish to overrun this country and us, to lie to us to keep us quiet until they have completed all the damage they intend to do. The illegals probably number double that 11 million figure, or more. That’s why the Democrats were so anxious to allow them to vote – their high numbers were going to be very helpful in getting their chosen Destroyer re-elected.

    Illegal aliens get Obamacare free (meaning that those of us whose country is being overrun are forced to pay their premiums – permanently). Does this legal financial devastation stop when they become citizens? I’ll bet “our” “leaders” have arranged for them to continue legally stealing that money from us for their entire lives.

    Let’s also keep in mind that if we get what amounts to a copy of the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty, each illegal will be allowed to bring in eleven family members. Even using the Government’s low figure of 11 million illegals, the entire population of Mexico would be welcome to move here and hop right onto our numerous entitlement programs. 100 million instant new Obamacare leeches, plus all the other Obamacare leeches, the Muslims and the entire population of Nebraska – this will collapse our economy.

    It’s all adding up, isn’t it? Cloward and Piven, anyone? And the deafening silence from almost all of the Republican “leaders” makes it appear that the Republicans are “in on the deal.”

    My dad told me for decades that when the leeches reach 50% of the population, America will be done. Looks like he was correct.

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    • awkingsleyComment by awkingsley
      November 13, 2012 @ 1:02 pm

      Good comment! Globalist Corporatist RINOs are ignoring the fact that we have large numbers of college graduates who are unemployed or underemployed. Other college graduates are not even in jobs where they use the degrees they acquired. The Hispanic Land Grant families and older Hispanic families in America are disenfranchised by amnesties and become disenfranchised Republican voters. To pretend to gain Hispanic Republican voters with amnesty, the RINOs will sacrifice the Hispanic voters they already have. In addition, the Democrats always get more voters from amnesties than the Republicans. The Republicans shot themselves in the foot by even mentioning amnesty because their base is not pro-amnesty, and they just lost an election because Conservatives had no clear choice for president. Amnesty is being pushed by Globalist Jeb Bush who believes he can get the Hispanic vote when he runs for president because he has a Cuban wife. The Bushes will always sacrifice the health and well-being of our country for their own Globalist wallets. The news is we do not need another New World Order Globalist RINO Bush as president. Republicans need to appeal to their Conservative base to win election, or the next time more Republicans will stay home, including the current Hispanic Republicans.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      November 15, 2012 @ 11:48 am

      The government’s been using that 11 million figure for years. That number may have been accurate about 15 years ago, but of course it’s much higher now. If they used the more realistic figure of 20 million it would probably scare everyone into the reality that something needs to be done yesterday.

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    • Jota_Comment by Jota_
      November 15, 2012 @ 2:01 pm

      “If they used the more realistic figure of 20 million it would probably scare everyone into the reality….” – LAPhil

      Possibly correct on 20 million, probably wrong on scaring everyone into reality

      http://web.archive.org/web/20080822044429/http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/012496.html

      One out of six people in the country are Hispanic. Yet, over 50% of all births are to Hispanic families

      This difference in birth rates means there will be 28 million fewer whites than today. while there will be nearly five times more Hispanics in the 2040

      And of the nearly 200 million whites they will be older than the 235 million Hispanics

      Of course, we are sticking them with a helluva debt

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  13. daveComment by daveatrockymountainperspective
    November 13, 2012 @ 11:18 am

    The real problem stems from the reality of actual numbers here, as opposed to what the President and Latino friendly leaders suggest in the way of Mexican Nationals in the U.S. When Ronald Reagan capitulated to Democrat authored legislation to give amnesty to illegal alien Hispanics here, estimates used during the negotiation and legislative process claimed a mid one million range, somewhere between 1.3 and 1.5 million, illegal alien Mexican Nationals were anticipated to be eligible and included for the newly gifted citizenship status. Within two years, the numbers had exceeded 3 million, and after several extensions during the 90′s under Clinton, more than 5 million illegals had their status changed in that amnesty from a shortsighted, poorly chosen decision. Keep in mind that Reagan’s resistance and concerns about signing such legislation was turned by Democrat’s promises that the border would be secured to where hundreds of thousands, which grew to millions annually over the past two decades, attempting to cross our border with Mexico would be turned away without entry. Obviously, that end of the political bargain wasn’t kept, and Reagan often said his part in the Amnesty legislation was the worst decision of his Presidency and political career, for that matter.

    Fast forward to today, and the numbers, which ICE agents and internal documents place at a mid 30 million range, are sure to exceed the estimate spun for the American public suggesting illegal alien numbers haven’t increased since a 12 million count was first put forth by the Department of Homeland Security for release back in 2004. It was propaganda then, and a much more ugly version meant to mislead the public today. No one living in the Southwest Border States believes the numbers are less today than in 2004, or even than when Obama took the Presidency. In the Denver metro region, they’ve grown dramatically over the past four years. Believing they number less than 30 million promises to be shocking, as well as damaging, at levels few could imagine, if this country capitulates again for a President and liberal progressives who believe immigration laws are foul and the United States must give up its once prized and honored national sovereignty.

    Moving forward with another amnesty is nothing short of national suicide.

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  14. rrg51Comment by rrg51
    November 13, 2012 @ 11:27 am

    Right, Obama has been “more open to” a lot of things, but has no initiative or leadership capability.

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  15. braines57Comment by braines57
    November 13, 2012 @ 11:35 am

    This is just one more reason I have said we need to come up with our own plan that does not compromise our key values but retains our national integrity. If we do not motivate our conservative reps and sens to come up with a good plan, then this is what will happen. You can accomplish more by getting involved than by sitting on the sidelines pouting because things are not going 100% your way. I would never advocate sacficing our values or our country, but at the same time, we can do better and now is the time to prove it!

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  16. gimmesometruthComment by gimmesometruth
    November 13, 2012 @ 11:53 am

    Rank and File Americans see these issues in straight-line focus. Look beyond the immediate story. Very powerful groups are pushing for a North American Zone without borders posing a direct threat to American sovereignty. The UN has been very busy proposing resolutions toward this end, and groups like La Raza support this effort [remember the hispanic mayor of San Antonio and his twin brother highlighted at DNC? Their mother was a founding member of LaRaza]. Migrant workers are crucial to breaking down borders with the argument that higher prices would result from strict border security. A country that cannot control it’s own borders has ceased to be a sovereign nation.

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    • RobertRComment by RobertR
      November 14, 2012 @ 12:01 am

      Best to keep an eye on those brothers. The mother is a real piece of work and the boys are just like her but they are polished to keep the rough edges from jumping out. They are bad news if either of them moves up to an office of importance. One is a US Congressman already but the other wants bigger and more power.

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  17. bobbie227Comment by bobbie227
    November 13, 2012 @ 11:56 am

    L. Graham is showing his “Rinoism” again! After 4 years, does he not understand that a Democrat/Liberal, especially the likes of C. Schummer CANNOT be trusted? Obama cannot be trusted. It will be HIS way or the Highway! Make NO mistake about it! Every Republican in the House and Senate should vote “Present” on any bill that comes from these Lefties and let them take this Country to near destruction so they can’t say it was Republicans fault. When will THEY EVER learn?

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  18. thecitizenComment by thecitizen
    November 13, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

    Here we go again.

    If you wanna be proactive in this argument beyond just grumbling to each other in here and elsewhere, in addition to snail mailing your representatives informing them of your resolute disfavor, I urgently recommend you soon to join NUMBERSUSA.com. They provide a legitimate platform from which to send vetted and qualified emails and FREE faxes to all members of Congress. They even offer a menu of fully editable prepared text from which to select your message, or, your welcome to write your own from scratch. Whatever easiest for you …

    Previously, we (grassroots participants via NUMBERSUSA) so inundated Washington with faxes and emails regarding illegal immigration issues (especially amnesty) that the Dem controlled Congress – blinked – not only once but TWICE!

    Good on ‘ya if join in and do your part.

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    • teapartyproudComment by teapartyproud
      November 13, 2012 @ 8:42 pm

      NUMBERS USA is an excellent organization. I’ve been a member for years. Also check out Americans for Legal Immigration PAC at ALIPAC.US.

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  19. moparfan54Comment by Dave
    November 13, 2012 @ 1:02 pm

    I have an idea, why don’t Schumer and Graham move to Mexico and try to lure all of us to move there with them. I would rather see them give away Mexico than give away America.

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  20. bulldogComment by bulldog
    November 13, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

    No amnesty should ever happen until we first have a National (Federal) voter ID law, a National requirement for paper ballots that can be traced, and have a National E-Verify requirement for all jobs.

    We should also deport anyone who is not a legal resident and uses emergency services at a hospital. Give them the care they need then give them a one-way ticket home.

    We also need to stop allowing illegals to be taught in our schools. Anyone knowing letting an illegal enroll in our schools should be jailed.

    Stopping the “FREE” medical care, and “FREE” schooling would save a lot of tax dollars, as well as reduce the incentive to come here illegally.

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    • Kona BonnComment by donmann1
      November 13, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

      You have some very good ideas and I hope that you don’t mind me adding a really important one.. The abuse of the 14th Amendment must be addressed to stop birthright citizenship in it’s tracks.. NO more anchor babies, pseudo Citizens that give them the free benefits.. The la raza, mecha, maldef organizations are all behind this invasion and re-conquista of our nation.. WE need new leadership that will enforce the laws and make them abide by them.

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  21. David in MAComment by David in MA
    November 13, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

    Democrat Chuck Schumer of New York and Republican Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, now there is a pair of useless ***’s for ya.

    I have an idea for “comprehensive immigration” for ya, secure the borders and tell the wanna be welfare slugs to get in line and go thru the proceedure to apply to immigrate!

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  22. arwenusaComment by arwenusa
    November 13, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

    America is going to be a Muslim/Mexican country very soon. Get out if you can. If you can’t, then at least arrange to grow your own food, and be prepared to defend it from bands of thugs.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      November 13, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

      Let’s not get carried away here. Things are bad but they’re not that bad. However, I think your earlier comment hit the nail on the head.

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  23. Lech DharmaComment by Lech Dharma
    November 13, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

    If 80% of illegal immigrants in this country were NOT from Mexico, Central and Latin America, would “Latinos” and “Hispanics” be as “demanding” as they ARE for ANOTHER blanket Amnesty, and “immigration reform”?

    A casual observer would think that voters in the “Latino community” are doing what they can to turn America into a “Latino” nation…like the economic and cultural hell holes they migrated from.

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    • Lech DharmaComment by Lech Dharma
      November 13, 2012 @ 6:23 pm

      In fairness, I must say that I know people of Hispanic descent, and even have relatives of Hispanic descent—but they don’t THINK of themselves as either Latino or Hispanic; they speak English with no accent, and their loyalty and cultural mindset is American.

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  24. mrparkerComment by mrparker
    November 13, 2012 @ 4:50 pm

    In what seems like a lifetime ago, the early 90′s, I was in a position to hire Mexicans,mainly women. They had their green cards and SS cards. We filled out the I-9′s and nothing happened.

    They turned out to be good workers, I speak Spanish and used to try to teach them English.
    They told me they were grateful to be able to work in the US but eventually wanted to return to Mexico.

    Then I started noticing some things. One person would call someone else by a different name. I thought they were thrifty as many of the women would send back most of their minimum wage check back to Mexico. I found out that their husbands were working in the US for cash. Meanwhile, the kids were attending school, using free medical care and claiming about 6 dependents when they had 3. I helped them with taxes and all of them got back more than they paid in with tax credits.

    After 3 or 4 years in American schools, I’d talk to their kids, none could understand basic English, all their public school classes were in Spanish. Will County, IL, in case you’re wondering. I was getting more and more disgusted.
    And the “men”, constantly beat their wives, got drunk, in fights and were routinely arrested.

    The people sneaking across the border have the equivalent of 3rd-4th grade educations. There are limited opportunities for them. What has changed now that suddenly all these people now want to stay in the US?
    I thought it was the drug war bit now I know it’s the freebies. This problem should’ve been dealt with in the 70′s. Both parties are to blame but the worst is yet to come with that swine obama.

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    • billykidd1Comment by billykidd1
      November 13, 2012 @ 6:12 pm

      Great post mrparker, I had a similar story. I once was naive to the character and Igenda of these people as well. In the early 2000s I tryed to start a small furniture company in New Jersey, I had a friend that had a Mexican working for him that seemed like a nice guy, he recommended that he hire some of his friends that were illegal aliens to keep cost down on labor. At that time in Toms River NJ you would see Mexicans riding there bike around town late night from the restaurants and it generally was thought of as no big deal. After hiring these guys I began to see the true colors, I knew very little Spanish and the deal I made with them was that we would try to teach each other Spanish and English by explaining what different items where. Well that lasted about a half of day and they refused to speak English. After that I began noticing they would speak back and forth so I couldn’t understand what they were saying ( which they commonly do in public now) i would say what are you guys saying, and the one that spoke english enough would say oh nothing. I did know enough spanish to realize they were saying nasty things about me and this country. Before long I realized how these people where using everybody double dipping, working for cash while collecting welfare, free health care, food stamps, werent paying taxes. They would say how stupid Americans were to let them do this! there work was absolutely terrible! Everything thing they did, i had to redo. The cheap labor wound up costing me 5 times as much as i saved. Final straw was i found out there friends stole one of my dogs! i fired all of them! i found out the hard way that These people are dirty rotten 3rd world trash totally taking avantage of naive Americans! There is a reason Mexico is the dirt hole of the world, it’s not the land, it’s the dirt bag people! By the way Toms River NJ a once beautiful town, looks like tiawana! Mexicans are all over in just 10 years, costing the town millions! NJ in general is overrun with illegals, 600,000! RINO Christy refused to do anything about it, so I moved to South Carolina “a conservative state” with the lest number of illegals on the east coast and now the sellout RINO here is catoring to them! People don’t understand how serious this is, and how fast the 3rd world will take over if there is any amnesty. We have to fight back while we can! Numbersusa.com everyone!

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  25. Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
    November 13, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

    So, did 9 million leave or are only 11 million of the 20 million who were here 5 years ago eligible for a “pathway to citizenship?” And if they do this and the people can’t be bothered again like the millions who didn’t bother when Reagan offered them the same deal, then what? Can we deport the ones who ignore the offer or are some of the jobs going to continue to be printing up false documents for the rest?

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    • vevaComment by veva
      November 13, 2012 @ 7:01 pm

      Maybe the politicians, who vote for giving those illegals here a way to citizenship, should be the ones deported!

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