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NJ gov fires a zinger in feud over gay marriage

By Angela Delli Santi

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - The verbal feud over gay marriage in New Jersey got more personal Monday with Gov. Chris Christie firing a slang term at a lawmaker, and a hero of the Civil Rights movement chastising the governor for a separate remark.

Christie called openly gay Assemblyman Reed Gusciora "numb nuts" during a Statehouse news conference — his response to the lawmaker comparing him to former segregationist governors in the South.

The comment culminated more than a week of back-and-forth over gay marriage, which the Democratic majority in the Legislature is trying to achieve through legislation and Christie, a Republican who opposes same-sex nuptials, wants decided by a public vote.

The issue also brought U.S. Rep. John Lewis of Georgia to Trenton on Monday to take Christie to task for comments linking gay marriage to the civil rights struggle of the 1960s.

Christie last week vowed to veto any gay marriage bill that reaches his desk. He instead called for the question to be put to voters in November.

"I think people would have been happy to have a referendum on civil rights, rather than fighting and dying in the streets in the South," Christie said after an event in Central Jersey.

Black leaders pounced. Newark Mayor Cory Booker said baseball great Jackie Robinson would not have had the opportunity to break the sport's color barrier had the matter been put to a vote, and the mayor himself would not have had the opportunity, years later, to be elected to lead New Jersey's largest city.

Assembly Speaker Sheila Oliver said many felt the sting of Christie's comment.
Gusciora, who is white, said Christie would have found allies in late Alabama Gov. George Wallace and late Georgia Gov. Lester Maddox, both segregationists.
On Monday, while attempting to clarify what he meant —that civil rights leaders would have preferred having the option of a popular vote to settle the issue, but it wasn't available to them — Christie called out Gusciora for jumping on his civil rights remark and chastised the press for not challenging him on it.

"You have numb nuts like Reed Gusciora comparing me to George Wallace and
Lester Maddox. Now, come on guys. At some point you've got to be able to call BS on those kinds of press releases," Christie said.

Christie equated the latest flap to another remark that got him into hot water more than a year ago. Then, in a disagreement with Sen. Loretta Weinberg, he suggested that the press "take a bat" to the Jewish grandmother from Teaneck.
Christie said Monday he hadn't meant either remark literally.

But, Lewis, an icon of the Civil Rights movement who appeared with Oliver and other New Jersey Democrats outside the city's train station, said court and congressional actions were necessary to secure rights for blacks, and that no referendum ever would have been successful.

"I've said over the years that I fought too long and too hard against discrimination based on race and color not to stand up and speak out against discrimination based on sexual orientation," Lewis said.

As Assemblyman John Wisniewski pointed out, blacks hadn't yet won the right to vote so they would have been unable to vote on the referendum they needed most.
Asked about Lewis' appearance in the city, Christie said, "Congressman Lewis is an American hero. Any time he wants to come to New Jersey, he will be welcomed with open arms. He led an extraordinary movement at great personal risk and sacrifice to himself."

Christie said he would have cleared his calendar if Lewis had asked to meet with him.

"The governor constantly reverts to name-calling when he is unable to address issues on their merits," Gusciora said in a statement released Monday. "The fact is the governor's opposition to the civil right of marriage equality is comparable to others who opposed other civil rights. If he doesn't like the comparison, then he should change his position on marriage equality and sign the bill into law."

Democrats have resurrected gay marriage as a priority issue for the new legislative session that began this month. The majority party failed two years ago to pass a similar bill, even while an outgoing Democratic governor, Jon Corzine, was willing to sign it. Christie, a Catholic, has not changed his position on gay marriage. He called for the question to be decided by popular vote during the 2009 gubernatorial campaign.

An Assembly panel will consider the bill Thursday. A Senate panel forwarded it in a party-line vote last week, with no Democrats voting against it and no Republicans voting for it. It must clear both houses before being forwarded to Christie.

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  1. newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
    January 31, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

    “Christie Nominates  Openly Gay Man To NJ Supreme Court.”

    Although, Christie’s stance on gay marriage is commendable, it stands to reason that his choice in assigning an “openly gay man” to the NJ Supreme Court will eventually create problems.  Anyone who thinks not, is obviously not dealing with a full deck.

    In regards to his remark, I think we the people deserve much better than that from our elected officials.  This country is really getting down and dirty if you ask me, and “numb nuts” should be reserved for those who have a limited vocabulary and a million tattoos.

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    • ultimate1red1Comment by ultimate1red1
      January 31, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

       It is numb nuts like you who sat idly and watched the party which has been infiltrated and overthrown by an anti-American ideology install quite probably an illegal alien into our Oval Office (AKA constitutional treason).  

      The time for politeness has long passed.    In case you hadn’t noticed, we are teetering on the brink of what McCarthy and Khrushchev warned us of- implosion from within.    

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      January 31, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

      I take it you have a lot of tattoos?  I’ll stay civil, politeness is something altogether different. You can say and do whatever you choose — that’s our God given choice.

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    • boomerComment by boomer
      January 31, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

      You can be civil if that makes you feel good.  However, being civil has been the bane of the GOP and is a factor in why we are where we are.  The left wrote the book on uncivility and now they whine when the methods they perfected are used on them.  Thankfully we have a few people in the GOP like Christie, Alan West, and Newt who realize where we are.  So, go ahead and turn the other cheek, but don’t castigate those who are taking the fight to the opposition.

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      January 31, 2012 @ 4:00 pm

      Maybe I’m missing something here or perhaps the definition of words have been raked over the calls.  Civil to me means acting civilized and has nothing to do with courage, fortitude, and the ability to be bold — standing up for your country and a host of other courageous things.  However, I don’t think the lack of the word “numb nuts” covers any of that ground even though I realize the world has changed drastically.

      “Taking the fight to the opposition,” and all that other stuff you mentioned is glorious but it doesn’t have anything to do with my opposition to not talking and acting like a leader of this country.  Sorry!  That’s how I see it — like it or not. Considering you have a lot of people who think the way you do should say a lot.

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    • dadzritesComment by dadzrites
      January 31, 2012 @ 5:16 pm

      Instead of nominating a gay man to be a Supreme Court justice for diversity sake, we should be looking at whether or not the gay man is a constitutionalist or is a constitutional originalist. That would be the proper test of the person’s qualifications.

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    • Jack ReacherComment by Jack Reacher
      January 31, 2012 @ 6:53 pm

      @Newsjunky:  Excuse me but do you realize who it is that Governor Christie is dealing with?  DEMOCRATS!  Democrats who have proven time and time again that nothing is sacred… Not words or actions.  Take Anthony “Cocktail” Weiner as an example… I could go on with other examples of rude, crude and vulgar actions and comments made on a daily basis by democrats.  And you’re picking apart Christie in what you probably thought was a brilliant tome on your disgust at one calling another “Numb-nuts”.  Well, numb-nuts, that’s a choice of words I also save to use when someone is so ridiculous that there is nothing more to say.   By the way, no tattoos and I can usually spell and pronounce words… even the big words.  Take your wounded dignity and move on.  Some of you people need to grab harder to get a real grip.

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    • sirocco110Comment by sirocco110
      January 31, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

      Newsjunky,  put down your latest copy of Newsweek and pick up a history book.  Gov. Chritie’s comments are daffodils compared to the political discourse that took place early in the formation of this country.  Political rhetoric between politicians was acrimonious enough to result in brawls in Congress and duels in which one died.  Pull your head out and face reality.  Any system promulgated by a politician or political party is fair game.  That’s the history of this country.  Deal with you wuss.

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    • downdraftComment by downdraft
      January 31, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

      Comon you guys…numb-nuts, dumb-nuts, cocnuts…who gives a bat’s rear ladies, gents…you wanna hear “slang” at its best?… you shouda heard my mother-in-law when she stumped her toe in church…coulda made a 1000 tatooed sailor blush…”

      CHristie is two things: First hes a tough egg, and second a damn good Republican who takes  defending this nation from those and that which is now confronting it as a serious responsibility….and I’m glad as hell he is on our side…

      This nation is being attacked FROM WITHIN and by its PRESIDENT, and we are upset because someone is a numb-nuts?

      Boy, we are worse than the G.O.P. campaigners…they are sef-dswstructing too!

      Would I invite Christie to go to church with me? Probably not because I’d be fearing he’d stump his toe before God and everybody..

      Would I like to have him as my President because he has the determination and experience as a street fighter…?


      So don’t aim your arrows at your fellow poster…aim them at the Liberals, the Democrats, Obama, and ALL WHO WISH US HARM…repeat afte me: OBAMA!

      One day you’ll hear the statement:

      “America fell…while numb-nuts quarrelled”.

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    • newsjunkyComment by newsjunky
      January 31, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

      If that’s your choice of words, so be it, but it’s not mine, and no amount of badgering or mocking me as if I’m something tangible to the first world war and should “get with it,” doesn’t cut it for me.  That kind of language doesn’t have any place in leadership and that’s my opinion whether you like it or not.  I guess it’s just a matter of time when our leaders can start using the “F” bomb because “the Democrats do it.” 

      When you hear that kind of language coming from a tattoed ring nosed, lip pierced product of today’s society who doesn’t know any better that’s one thing, but I don’t need it from people in leadership.  How you feel about it is your business, I simply couldn’t care less. As for all your mockery of me being a “wuss” and all those other names, I’d love to see how you treat your wives and mothers and what kind of parents you are to your kids — after all, anything the Democrats do is fair game for Republicans or so you seem to think.

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    • godsgirlComment by godsgirl
      February 1, 2012 @ 7:26 am

      I do believe our elected officials should set the standard for civil discourse. VP Biden’s casual use of the “F” bomb is offensive and so ignorant sounding – you would think that a leader in such a high position could come up with a better epithet than that. I expect it is difficult to work civilly day in and day out with such ignorant liberals. It is always comical to see them upset about crude language. Guscoria is just wrong when he equates civil marriage with civil rights. There is nothing natural about our homosexual brothers and sisters, and when we give them legal status we are telling them they are normal, when in fact, they need loving correction.

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    • rickComment by rick
      February 1, 2012 @ 8:56 pm

      you know i have taken a little offence to your limited vocabulary comment i have a limited vocabulary not by choice state took me from my mother when twelve did not get released till i was 17 there for i have a 6th grade education once i got 
       released i got a job a few years later opened own bus.have been self emloyed tweny five years and up till now my lovely wife and three awsome kids have wanted for nothing my point.its i have emloyed many good men over the years and i think its guys like us who made this country great the people in charge are the ones that have made it what it is today im all for personal responsibility doing your best to take care of your family and contrbute to society in a possitive manor pay your taxes and so forth but now that they created this mob rule /dictatorship combind with the fact they are taking from me every thing i worked my whole for i have not been able to find any help ive been lied to and stolen from i feel discrimenated be cause of my wifes resent disability i am fourced out of bus because of it and i dont think i can get any help for it 2nd point i dont think i care to fund this circus any longer not that i could now unemloyed i can only blame myself to a large degree for believing the lies our banks speak my third point is i agree so far with most of comments keep in mind it has been very little i think you should speek your mind it is still your right at this time but you really do soud aragant,self serving condensending only my guess i think you were born with the old silver spoon in your big mouth and you feel superiar and also entitled to the things handed to you you dont know harship and most likely your feet stink and you dont love jesus lol butt hey what do i know with my limited vocabulary and lack of education my entire life is a miracle only by the grace of god and by the way no tattoos god bless ya

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  2. conservativepatriotComment by conservativepatriot
    January 31, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

    I am 100% behind Gov. Christie on this. It is nothing more than another instance of the left trying to stifle any opposition by calling it in effect “racist”. This is their primary weapon, since their agenda is otherwise so flawed. The only reason anyone would object to putting a question up to the voters in a Republic such as ours is if they know that they will lose, and prefer to use either one of the branches of the government to get what they want. If they can’t get it by a vote, they try to legislate it. If the legislative branch won’t do it either, they try to get the judicial branch to force it. If that fails, they try to use some sort of executive order, or just don’t enforce laws that have passed. The left will stop at nothing to advance their agenda. Gov. Christie should be commended and thanked for his adherence to the principles that until recently governed our country.

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    • dadzritesComment by dadzrites
      January 31, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

      Homosexual activists have set a well planned and well financed agenda that started in the 1960s and now includes not only tolerance of their lethal lifestyle but acceptance with privileges as a special class, as a minority group. The key target is our youth. This can be seen in the following written by “gay revolutionary” Mark Swift and printed in the February 15, 1987 issue of Gay Community News. These excerpts are reprinted from the Congressional Record:
      “We shall sodomize your sons, We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your youth groups, Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will come to crave and adore us. All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men. Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable…. We shall raise vast, private armies…to defeat you. The family unit….will be abolished. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory….All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men. Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.”

      NO elected or appointed legislative body has the right to enact laws that provide those performing deviant sex practices the status of a special minority class, with special insurance and workplace benefits. What will be the next special class, those who have sex with animals or the dead. Where will it end? It’s the responsibility of your congressmen to keep laws for family protection (such as male/female marriage) and get tougher with new legislation against the threats to child welfare by the homosexual lethal lifestyle.

      When the homosexual lifestyle is taught, it must be the whole truth with explanation and pictures of diseases, suffering and premature death of those who go there. Half truths, obfuscation and cover-up are lies as we see in Suffer the Children. [click here for more on the video Suffer the Children]

      NO teacher or instructor in day care or grade school, in a position of parental trust, has the right to introduce propaganda or homosexual tolerance or acceptance without the full picture of this lethal lifestyle and obviously not without the parents knowledge.

      The Family Policy Network produced a list of diseases contacted and spread through the lethal lifestyle of homosexuality. These include, but are not limited to, the following:

      1.Pubic lice
      2.Scabies (mites)
      3.Fungal infections
      4.Oral gonorrhea
      5.Oral lesions from herpes, HPV (warts), chancroid, lymhogranuloma venereum, or granuloma inguinale.
      6.Nongonolococcal pharyngitis from chlamydia, other STD’s
      8.Enteric (intestinal) infections
      9.Traumatic proctitis
      10.Rectal gonorrhea
      11.Anal warts
      13.Nonspecific procitis (from chlamydia and other STDs)
      14.Anorectal herpes
      15.Anorectal syphilis
      16.Rectal trichomoniasis
      17.Lymphogranuloma venereum
      18.Anorectal granuloma inguinale
      19.Anorectal chancroid
      21.Anorectal candidiasis
      22.Physical abrasions
      25.Urethritis from various STDs
      26.Nongonococcal urethritis
      27.Genital herpes
      28.Molluscum contagiosum
      29.Genital warts
      31.Epididymitis and/or proctitis
      32.Granuloma inguinale
      35.Campylobacter fetus (bacteria)
      36.Enterogenic E. coli bacteria
      37.Hepatitis (A, B, and others)
      41.Enterobius vemicularis (parasite)
      42.Oral warts

      As these diseases become resistant to medication, mutations and permutations occur. To keep the human body fighting to resist the spread of further illness the immune system breaks down and premature death results.

      *15,000 new cases of HIV/AIDS alone are reported daily in the world. Will one be a son, daughter, grandson or granddaughter?

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      January 31, 2012 @ 5:22 pm

      consertivepatriot, Don’t you find hypocritical for any democrat to say that Christie stoops to name calling by the same ones firing the first volley. They make all kinds of ugly comparisons and don’t find it as offensive as nun-nuts. that is all they ever do. No ammunition to debate then pull the race-card or the homophobes-card. They do it all the time.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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  3. bna42Comment by bna42
    January 31, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

    “. . .with no Democrats voting against it and no Republicans voting for it.”

    Has anyone ever wondered WHY the Democrats are all in favor of same-sex marriage?

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    • padremikeComment by padremike
      January 31, 2012 @ 4:38 pm

      No, quite frankly, I’ve never had to wonder.  Unquestionably, the Democrats have proven time after time that they are either consciously immoral, unconsciously amoral or thoroughly permeated in moral relativism.  They call that which is evil good and that which is good evil.  Homosexual marriage will never be valid because the love is not valid.  At the very best it can only be called mutual masturbation.  Real love is always concerned over someone’s soul and the unnatural and illicit emotions, confused for love by homosexuals, can never be a substitute for the natural love between husband and wife.  Democrats will have us believe that homosexual love is normal, natural and healthy.  It is a lie!

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  4. wdjincComment by wdjinc
    January 31, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

    This issue should be left to the voters. Comparing legalization of gay marriage to civil rights movement is  off the wall. Completely different issues. 

    Christie is simply exercising his views as a Catholic. He is not a homophobic as he has appointed gays in the past. Civil unions for gays are fine with me, but marriage has strong religious histories and should be reserved for  a man and a woman. Marriage is a sacred institution with close religious ties and is under attack by the liberals and liberal media and should not be changed to satisfy those gay minorities who think otherwise. 

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  5. trashmanComment by trashman
    January 31, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

    WE THE PEOPLE: regardless of who you are; we are being split into smaller and smaller groups, conservatives vs liberals, Republicans vs Democrats, gays vs straights, whites vs blacks vs browns, Protestants vs Catholics vs Jews etc etc, etc. Why?  

    Well, why do you think? One reason – divide and conquer.  

    Remember this: 2012 Time to take ot the Trash! 

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  6. racefishComment by racefish
    January 31, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

    ” the civil right of marriage equality”
    Am I missing something or is Gusciora in reality a numb nuts? I’ve checked and I can’t find it in the Constitution anywhere.

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  7. KAHR50Comment by KAHR50
    January 31, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

    Being from Pittsburgh, PA I think he should have just called him a

    It is pretty obvious that what Christie meant was, given the opportunity for a legitimate vote by the people, it would have been preferred over having a war.

    Like I tell my wife, if there is a good way and a bad way to interpret what I say, I meant it the good way.

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    • northernerComment by northerner
      January 31, 2012 @ 5:40 pm

      KAHR50, being a native Pittsburgher living in CO, I know exactly what you mean.  Pittsburghese has at least one and maybe more “terms” that would apply!
      And, further on the subject, “gay marriage” is an oxymoron.  If it’s not between a man and a woman, it’s not a “marriage”.  Civil “union”…maybe.  A relationship, yes, though a wrong one.  If I remember contract law correctly, two or more people can enter into a contract to agree to do or not do anything that is legal.  They should be able to agree to enter into a relationship or partnership, even a “domestic partnership” if that’s what it needs to be called and agree to certain conditions POSSIBLY giving them some sort of spousal “rights” such as medical decisions or end of life decisions and personal common property decisions.  I can accept that.  I, like most here, vehemently object to the attempt to call a relationship between two men or two women a “marriage”.  Barf!

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  8. F.R. DuplantierComment by F.R. Duplantier
    January 31, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

    Is it AP style always to attach the word “hero” or “icon” to John Lewis’ name? Why not “agitator” or “blowhard” instead?

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  9. Bruce A. FrankComment by Bruce A.
    January 31, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

    I am surprised that the “numb nuts” description raised so many eyebrows. If Christie had used the term “brain dead” would the reaction have been so heated. Yeah, it would have. Dems just can’t stand it when a Republican, even a RINO, bests them in the name-calling arena.

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  10. JBQComment by JBQ
    January 31, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

    As great a movement as was the Civil Rights movement and the strong leadership of such as John Lewis, it is a big mistake to link gay rights as well as the “killing of babies” in a broad thread.  It is very obvious that the Black community has decided to join a unified endeavor of minorities to support the current president.  This is destroying the viability of the Black movement itself.  The president has now stated that he no longer needs the support of the working class.  What is that saying about the group that supports him?  It is controlled and manipulated by the “lame and perverse”.  John Lewis knows better and is only playing his political cards to upgrade the lot of the Black in our society.  Destruction of morality is not the answer.  The “Samson approach” of pulling down the temple is definitely not the answer. 

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    • dadzritesComment by dadzrites
      January 31, 2012 @ 5:12 pm

      John Lewis is is a traitor and a treasonous pro-Marxist as he is a member of the congressional Democrat Socialist of America Caucus Member List.

      He should go back to his own state and cause trouble there instead of coming to NJ and sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong.

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  11. irishpjkComment by irishpjk
    January 31, 2012 @ 4:29 pm

    Good job Gov. don’t back off; keep stepping on the . You are 100% right let the people have their say and then so be it. We need more Politian’s willing to ask the people what they want and then do. We have too many numb nuts just standing around and letting a few big mouths use the gay and race card to get their way. If a person expresses an opinion they don’t agree with out come’s the card and then the liberal media is all over the person. Be your own man, it might take you to the white house then again it could back fire but at least you can say I did it my way.

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  12. forrestComment by forrest
    January 31, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

    Alas, civility does seem to be a rare thing as both sides accuse each other of uncivil discourse, and both sides are correct because both sides do it. 

    To my mind, putting up same-sex marriage to a popular vote is pretty much the same as if civil rights for blacks were put up to a vote. As one person mentioned already, this is a Republic, not a full-fledged Democracy.

    In Illinois at least, pastors at marriage ceremonies always end it with ‘by the powers invested in me by the state of Illinois…” which means to me  that marriage is not so much a religious institution as a social contract between two people, ergo the religious argument against same-sex marriage does apply to them getting married in a church, but has nothing to do with the marriage itself. 

    I think all marriages should be civil. Go to the county seat, get the marriage license which would mean as soon as both parties sign, they are married. If the couple would want a religious blessing of the union, they could find a church that allows their pastors to do it.  There’s a whole lot of more important things state and federal governments should be addressing besides same-sex marriage.  

    Same sex marriage poses absolutely no threat to my life as a heterosexual, or to the ‘sanctity’ of marriage. With a divorce rate of 50% between heterosexuals, the institution of marriage is crumbling anyway.  

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    • northernerComment by northerner
      January 31, 2012 @ 5:54 pm

      Forrest, points taken on Republic vs. Democracy.  And your point about heteros having screwed up (pardon the expression) the institution of marriage.  However, just because a bunch of sports participants screw up and get thrown in jail for various felonies, doesn’t mean the entire sport is destroyed or justify the cause to further pollute the sport by legalizing what they did wrong to make it OK for everyone else in the sport to so conduct themselves.  We have no justification to further destroy the institution of marriage whether it is performed in a church or in a judge’s office just because heteros have bungled their marriages and made a mockery of the institution.  No.  That is all the more reason to keep the standard high, i. e. between a man and a woman.  Period.  Anything else is not a marriage.  Further diluting the term, the institution will profit NO ONE.  My two cents…MHO.

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  13. naimadComment by naimad
    January 31, 2012 @ 4:45 pm

    Someone needs to tell Mayor Cory Booker of Newark that Jackie Robinson played ball for the Dodgers from 1947 to 1956, before the Civil Rights marches in question. Maybe he should also be told that if not for the Republican Minority in the U.S. Senate led by Everett Dirkson, there would be no Civil Rights Act.
    I’ll never understand why Black America abandoned it’s Republican history for the Entitlement State of the Democrats. Shame on them!

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  14. middlegroundComment by middleground
    January 31, 2012 @ 4:55 pm

    What I think will be interesting is the first gay divorce where your gay partner gets ½ of your assets as was the case in Tiger Woods divorce. I suspect that will be a shock and then we’ll all discover what constitutes grounds for a gay or lesbian divorce.

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  15. dadzritesComment by dadzrites
    January 31, 2012 @ 5:08 pm

    Rep. John Lewis should go back to his own state and stay the hell out of New Jersey, where he doesn’t belong.  He is doing nothing but “rabble-rousing” and needs to get a life. 

    Lewis is is a traitor and a treasonous pro-Marxist as he is a member of the congressional Democrat Socialist of America Caucus Member List.

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  16. begneli2011Comment by begneli2011
    January 31, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

    I know what marriage is. In fact it happened to me once in 1962. And I, being a man, experienced it with a wonderful woman.  I did not want to marry another male, or my pet turtle, or a Christmas tree. I know what marriage looks like, so don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

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  17. jen68Comment by jen68
    January 31, 2012 @ 7:10 pm

    We also have a numbnut here in California.  John Perez, Speaker of State and previous union organizer. He is an obese homosexual democrat and a vengeful and hateful politician who will bully and retaliate against anyone who doesn’t agree with him. Then we have Mark Leno, another homo and state senator who is trying to legalize same-sex marriage in California which had been voted down by the people time and time again, and was held up in the courts . He also wants to pass a bill to teach homosexuality in elementary schools. The homosexual agenda is spreading quickly, aggressively and often violent. Mark my word if we don’t put a stop to it, they will completely take over government. A democrat politican who is a homosexual can be very dangerous for our country. I refuse to call them gay. Because the word stands for something nice and happy. This is a far cry from what these people are.

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  18. KathleenComment by Kathleen
    January 31, 2012 @ 7:25 pm

    You know, as long as Republicans keep quaking in their shoes the second there is any perceived slight to minorities, the less respect I have for them.  It’s become absurd, and when I see the namby pamby legislators become all contrite and apologetic, my stomach turns.  Where are the men?  Where ARE the men!  My God, if our founding fathers were as easy to shake as these “leaders”, we would never have this country in the first place.  Who CARES about Rep. Lewis?  He’s a hero?  Hey Governor Christie, shop shaking, and please, stop pandering. 
    The people should vote on this same-sex issue, but that’s the last thing the gay rights folks want.  Every SINGLE time it’s come up for a vote by the people, it’s been voted down.  We need a president who CONTINUES TO FIGHT FOR THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT (DOMA) rather than do as Obama has done, and state he will not legally enforce that law.  So he doesn’t!  Our president has decided, on his own, that unilaterally he knows what is better for our country, and he does not support the DOMA, so he won’t allow it to be enforced.  Just as now, he thinks Catholics and others should be forced to provide contraception and abortion, so, he facilitates that by requiring it legally of Catholic healthcare providers.  No exemption for “religious conscience” as has always been the case.   That’s fascism, isn’t it? 
    Most Americans do not want same-sex “marriage” to be the law of the land.  It was SO not about being “tolerant” because now nothing less than to turn society on it’s head will do.  We must blast apart the millenia-old tradition of one man and one woman as the standard.  We must do what no civilized nation has ever done and survived, make same-sex marriage equivalent to traditional marriage.  Gay rights activists found out to their dismay that nobody really CARED what they did behind closed doors, that was disappointing.  So they created “civil unions”.  All the protections of marriage, which is what they claimed they wanted.  Nope.  Now it’s GOT to be “marriage” and not only do you have to tolerate it, but you’ve got to applaud it and rent your facility out to it, and give benefits to it and give the couples the children, by adoption, they could never have naturally. 
    A law needs to be made, on the federal level, change the Constitution if we must, but we must do something in order that our country isn’t ripped apart by this issue.  There is nothing similar about gay rights and civil rights.  I am surprised at anyone who finds a comparison between these two issues. 

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    • CharieComment by Charie
      February 1, 2012 @ 1:33 pm

      *** I am surprised at anyone who finds a comparison between these two issues. ***

      Kathleen, I don’t think they actually were comparing the two.  It’s only to taint any opposition to homosexual marriage with the racism term.  If people don’t think very deeply, soon racism and homophobia (silly term)  will by Liberal definition be inseparable fro one another.

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  19. snowhawkComment by snowhawk
    January 31, 2012 @ 9:34 pm

    Fact is people couple up for sex. Normally to procreate having children to carry on the human race. Abnormally there’s that 1% here in America who choose to have perverted sex producing nothing. Which perversion is going to start whining next? Those who want little children, animals, someone who wants to make doing their telephone acceptable? I’m poly-amorous will I be allowed to legally marry all six? These whining psychologically ill sexual deviates already have the same civil rights guarantied to all Americans. What their agenda really is is public acceptance which is a wishful dream.

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  20. MrTComment by MrT
    February 1, 2012 @ 9:14 am

    numbnuts……….?  all this over that?  crazy!

    numbnuts – Wiktionary

    numbnuts (plural numbnuts). (chiefly US, slang, derogatory, or inept person ( usually male). Tell numbnuts over there to wake up and pay attention to his work.

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  21. piirate56Comment by piirate56
    February 1, 2012 @ 10:19 am

    Tell numbnuts that 99.999999% of segregationists in the south were Democrats.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      February 1, 2012 @ 10:40 am

      piirate56, Don’t forget that the KKK boasted that all their members were Democrats and that the late Democratic Senator Byrd was the head of his local chapter of the KKK. He also filibustered against equal rights.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! !

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  22. piirate56Comment by piirate56
    February 1, 2012 @ 10:43 am

    onewildman, you must read Ann Coulter’s book, Demonic. It mentions all of what you and I said.

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    • CharieComment by Charie
      February 1, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

      I also suggest Michael Zak’s book, “Back to Basics for the Republican Party”. It has an extensive bibliography.

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  23. constitutionreaderComment by constitutionreader
    February 1, 2012 @ 11:45 am

    The right to vote was granted to Black men in the post-Civil War amendments, specifically the 15th, and to women in  1920 by the 19th Amendment. The
    Voting Rights Act did not grant the right to vote, only penalties for denying same. 

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  24. angryrepublicanComment by angryrepublican
    February 1, 2012 @ 2:59 pm

    I am appalled that this cretinous hog is actually an elected official. Pigs and bigots populate our government and our society. It is sad to see how much hatred is generated in the name of Christ and other religions. Marriage is a religious issue. In a secular state (which is America) there should be clear separation of church and state. Marriage should not be a legal issue. Should any 2 individuals of any sex decide to risk their fortunes together they should be allowed to form a legal CIVIL UNION. Marriage should be left to churches. Strike all marriage laws and replace with a secular institution of civil union.

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    • CharieComment by Charie
      February 1, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

      I already posted about the “separation of church and state”.  Read the damned first amendment!  There is no such thing there!

      The government is not going to let go of their control of marriage.  Don’t you know it not only generates money but is a source of government power?

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    • CharieComment by Charie
      February 1, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

      You’re not an angryrepublican, you’re an angry liberal.  As they’re always angry, I suppose you didn’t want to post redundancies.

      You are completely wrong about AIDS.  It was a homosexual disease which seems to have started in Africa.  You’re entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts, no matter what the gay-oriented magazines say!  So never mind throwing your own bigoted comments at other people.

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  25. angryrepublicanComment by angryrepublican
    February 1, 2012 @ 3:05 pm

    Hey dadzrites:

    The Family Policy network needs some better education. all those things happen to promiscuous heterosexuals as well. these things are NOT transmitted by the “homosexual lifestyle” but by promiscuity. I hope you can see the difference

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    • CharieComment by Charie
      February 1, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

      OK, let’s just mention AIDS.  There was no such disease until homosexuality became rampant.

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    • dadzritesComment by dadzrites
      February 1, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

      Most of these diseases were caused by promiscuous behavior in the homosexual lifestyle and transmitted into the general population through different partners. The rate of diseases in the homosexual lifestyle substantially outweighs the rate of these diseases in the general population. 
      Two percent of the population (homosexuals) are causing diseases for 80% of the population.

      Just like American Journal of Physicians and Surgeons states:
      “Illegal aliens’ stealthy assault on medicine must now rouse Americans to alert and alarm… Many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant TB, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease” – the latter a ghastly and often fatal parasitic infection previously unknown in most of the U.S.”

      Treatment-resistant tuberculosis  is showing up at border hospitals where illegals flock to get “free” medical care on your dime.

      Chagas is a repulsive parasitic condition originating in the tropics. According to the New England Journal of Medicine, 10 million Latin Americans are carriers of this disease. While U.S. government reports downplay the incidence of Chagas in this country, those on the front lines of American medicine tell a different story. Commenting on the rise of the disease in the U.S., a physician at the UCLA Medical Center flatly stated, “This is no longer an exotic disease. It’s prevalent.”

      The infamous Latin American brainworm, cysticercosis, is a disturbing tropical infection caused by a pork tapeworm, Taenia solium. Again, the exact details are straight out of a horror film, except this is not science fiction, it’s scientific fact. As The Wall Street Journal reported, “In recent years, as the immigrant population has spread… cysticercosis has cropped up in states that have never had to deal with it before, including Iowa, Missouri, Ohio and Oregon.”

      Necrotizing fasciitis is the medical term for a dread disease commonly known as flesh-eating bacteria. A 40-year-old U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service officer died after contracting the bacteria while detaining 151 illegal Chinese immigrants on an island off the coast of Washington state.

      Leprosy, one of the most feared diseases of the ancient world, is back. The Maryland Department of Health, among others, reports “most cases in the U.S. occur among immigrants living in California, Florida, Hawaii, Louisiana, Texas, Puerto Rico, and New York City.” Quoting further, “leprosy is probably spread by close contact with people infected with Mycobacterium leprae. The bacteria may enter the body through the nose and broken skin. Untreated leprosy patients have millions of bacteria in the mucus from their noses.”

      “Bedbugs” are back and spreading through New York City like a swarm of locusts on a lush field of wheat,” reports The New York Times. Even tony addresses on Park Avenue, Helmsley Park Lane, and Riverside Drive have been infested. First among the reasons given by The Times for the return of the blood-sucking bugs that were virtually eradicated from the U.S. sixty years ago – “increased immigration from the developing world” (don’t look for the term “illegal aliens” in the politically correct NYT.) WebMD reports that bedbugs are also showing up in hotels, college dorms, and – you guessed it – hospitals.

      You can thank Democrat left-wing

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