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April 7, 2011 at 7:13 am 81 The Loft
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Here we go again. As if massive spending, out-of-control debt, and high unemployment are not bad enough, now we can add rising gas prices to the mix of “change we can believe in.” That’s right… with all the uncertainty in the Middle East and Barack Obama’s complete lack of leadership, prices at the pump are heading up, up, and up.

The rising cost of gasoline has certainly received the attention of the American public. As noted in an AP story on GOPUSA, GfK Roper Public Affairs conducted a poll recently and found that 77 percent of respondents “called gas prices a highly important issue to them personally.” This past fall, the number feeling the same way stood at 54 percent. An ABC News/Washington Post Poll asked respondents, “Have recent price increases in gasoline caused any financial hardship for you or others in your household, or not?” Seventy-one percent of the respondents said, “Yes.” A similar question was asked in a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll, and 64 percent responded, “Yes.”

And, of course, the rising gas prices end up making their way back to Obama. Gallup asked, “Overall, do you think President Obama is or is not doing enough to solve the country’s energy problems?” Sixty-five percent answered, “Is not.”

Obama, already back on the campaign trail, addressed the price increases on Wednesday, saying there’s not much he can do about it.

“I’m just going to be honest with you. There’s not much we can do next week or two weeks from now,” the president told workers at a wind turbine plant. It’s a theme Obama’s struck before as he tries to show voters he’s attuned to a top economic concern with gas prices pushing toward $4 a gallon.

“Gas prices? They’re going to still fluctuate until we can start making these broader changes, and that’s going to take a couple of years to have serious effect,” Obama said.

Interesting… If something “fluctuates,” doesn’t it need to also go down as well as up?

Wow… jabbing a guy for his 8-mile-per-gallon SUV? I wonder how many miles per gallon Obama gets in his limo?

If Obama seems clueless, apparently those around him are seeing that gas prices could be the nail in the coffin for his reelection campaign. The Los Angeles Times reports on the growing concern in the White House over rising gas prices.

The Pew Research Center is coming out with a report this week showing that a majority of Americans say gas prices have a “substantial impact” on their household financial condition.

“The bottom line is, unless gas prices go down, it puts the president in mortal peril,” said Douglas Schoen, a former campaign consultant to President Clinton. “Every American faces higher gas prices every day, so in a certain sense, it has the likelihood of being a more serious problem than the unemployment rate, because 9% are unemployed but 100% of the American people have to deal with the impact directly and indirectly of rising fuel prices.”

Not only does every American with a car need to get gas, but every time that American fills up, he or she will be reminded of the state of the economy. Borders could be secure and the debt could be low, but just look at the meter going up and up as you pump your gas, and your blood starts to boil.

Oil prices are much less dependent on supply than perceived supply. If the supply is perceived to be at risk, prices will rise. Obama CAN do something about it. This is what presidential leadership is all about. Four-dollar per gallon gasoline is just around the corner, and it could mark the end of the Obama presidency.

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  1. RW April 7, 2011 at 7:38 am

    ManoMAN, you’ve hit a hot button of mine, Dr. Bob, and it’s gittin’ hotter by the freakin’ MINUTE!
     
    The price of gas is a concern not just for everybody who owns a car, but everyone who eats! Our produce is TRUCKED, so lettuce is just about outta the reach of people with families, and I ain’t talkin’ about o and mrs. o’s favorite leafy green, arugula.
     
    I live two blocks from a terrific grocer and now I live alone, so I walk there when I need fewer than 5 small items, good for my body, better for my car. BUT how do people with children do it?
     
    And I swear, if one more person snidely says, “Well, in Europe they’ve been paying the equivalent of $5 a gallon for years.” I’m gonna lose it, screaming, yelling, red faced LOSE IT! We don’t live in Europe, we are AMERICANS, with a huge, sprawling population. And don’t give ME any guff about, “Well, we need to have better public transit, like trains, we wouldn’t need to worry about gas, then.” Yes, we would and go away. If I had any money left over after food, and shelter and basic bills (I don’t) I’d buy yer damned ticket to Europe.
     
    obama needs to go talk in front of people who don’t build wind turbines, he needs to go talk to people who own cars, and have jobs(or used to) and have children, and tell THEM he’s gonna make green energy so terrific in ten years, they won’t need no stinkin’ cars.
     
    To every jackass who bought his hope and change kwap, and are moaning about gas prices, did he not SAY our energy bills would triple? He has done what he said he would do….so, I got a plan…you who voted for the messiah, YOU must now pay $10 a gallon in gas, so the rest of us who listened to his words and not his high falutin’ elegant language,  and voted against hope and change, can pay a reasonable price for gas. He said he thinks that spreading the wealth around is good for everyone, well, take YOUR wealth, pay high gas prices cuz I got no wealth, Brotha, to pay high gas prices.
     
    There, I feel better now.

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    • oldcuz April 7, 2011 at 9:12 am

      A  big amen to that RW, for those who refused to listen: “We are going to fundamentally change America” “Under my administration energy prices will necessarily sky rocket” so the King is just doing exactly what he said he would.

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    • Vicki April 7, 2011 at 1:15 pm

      Yes, it is one of the very few campaign promises that he actually kept :)
       

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    • Precious April 7, 2011 at 2:07 pm

      right on target RW. I made a couple of notes while I listened to his rants.
      1. Economy picking up——–lie number one
      2. people finding joBs——– lie number two
      3. businesses hiring———- lie number three.
      4. Nothing we can do this week or next—-lie number four

      He could imediately lift oil embagoes on domestic research and drilling, not only in the Continental shelf, but in Alaska (ANWR)

       
      He says…We have 2-3% of the worlds oil, but we use 25%, so we are still behind. So his solution number one….. is to make electric cars and do away with oil all together.
       
      Kicking off what campaign advisors have dubbed “energy week,” Barack Obama today called for an “end to the age of oil in our time.” He backed up his trademark optimism with the most dramatic auto technology proposals of the 2008 campaign cycle. Obama said he hopes to see 1 million plug-in hybrid and electric vehicles on the road by 2015,
      Click to read more..

      So what is his solution number two? He lends $2 billion dollars to Brazil so THEY can drill off of their coast with the idea that we will buy from them.

      Yep. Hope and Change. Well, many are giving up HOPE and want immediate CHANGE…

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    • Precious April 7, 2011 at 2:13 pm

      Another question I would ask Obama as he kidded with the guy who says he owns a big SUV. I wonder what Obama is going to do about his gas guzzling Cadillac Limo that he is ferried around in? I wonder what he is going to do about the huge fleet of SUV’s that the government owns?

      Or is all this diatribe aimed as us poor “little people” and doesn’t apply to the elites.

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    • TRUTHTELLER April 7, 2011 at 3:18 pm

      Right on, Bobby and RW.

      Every penny per gallon that gas rises, is one more nail in Obummer’s political coffin.

      Fuel prices effect not only food, but everything.  The clothes we wear and everything else we buy, must be shipped to stores.  Those stores use electricity generated by fuel consuming generators.  Every factory producing every product is affected by high fuel prices.  Businesses do not pay for the high cost of energy, the consumers of the products they produce do. If businesses have to raise prices beyond their competitition, they will move operations out of the U.S. where  twelve- year-olds working fourteen hours a day will make their products cheaper.

      Unlike the government, the average consumer in this country has just so much money in their budgets. If much more of that money is being poured into their gas tanks or is being spent on higher prices for the necessities of life, then far less will be spent on everything else.

      That will be real good for the economy, won’t it????

      Are all you kool aid drinkin lefties out there who voted for this little boy in the White House, still happy with all that hopey changey stuff?

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    • Dingbat36 April 8, 2011 at 11:39 am

      That Europe comment gets to me as well, European prices are more taxes than the real cost of gasoline. Of course Obama probably salivates at the amount of taxes that European countries levy on what has become a necessity in most people’s lives in this country! Depending on how you figure it Europe has as many as 50 countries or as few as 27 (European Union). It is interesting to view a map of Europe superimposed over the US.
       
      http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/l/bl-country-size-comparison-map.htm
       
      Europeans drive “matchbox cars” if they drive at all, many of their whole countries are smaller than our states. Austria, for example is almost exactly the size of Maine, not a large state compared to others in the US. In land area of the US is 3 times the size of the whole European continent.
       
      Frankly, the next time someone compares anything about the US with Europe, I just may barf on them………so stand back all you Euro-philes!!

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    • Vicki April 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm

      What I don’t understand is if these Euro-philes love Europe so much why are they still here? It has to be MUCH cheaper to buy a plane ticket to Europe than it is to buy politicians here to try and force the USA to be Europe.
       

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  2. knorske April 7, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Bobby…Another great eye-opener in your series–thank you!  Not only should such information be an “eye-opener,” it should serve as a “face-slapper,” with the goal of waking up all Americans.  We have been “asleep” for too many years.  The number of years varies from two to ten from those in the drilling industry, but we would now be pumping OUR OWN OIL if we had drilled when the opportunity first arose.  We would NOT be using imported oil.  Again, I think the federal government shut-down would serve us very well.  It could serve as the ultimate “face-slap,” and Americans might then realize a wide range of realilties:  the list would include eliminating most of our federal agencies and stripping away the regulations virtually strangling our country in oblivion.  We could drill…and DRILL NOW.  Without the president’s help, possibly we then could see gas prices dipping in time for all of us to get to the poles in 2012 without wondering if we’d have to do without supper to do so.

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    • Bobby Eberle April 7, 2011 at 11:51 am

      Thanks!  I appreciate the feedback.

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    • cless April 7, 2011 at 3:29 pm

      Com’on folks slander and hate with the real facts. IT WAS GEORGE W. BUSH WHO APPOINTED THE MAJORITY TO THE BOARD OF THE IMPORT, EXPORT BANK WHO GAVE THE $2B GUARANTEE TO BRAZIL FOR COMMERICAL BANKS TO LEND AGAINST.
       
      The following is documented quotes from Export-Import Bank on this “executive order”:

      “President Obama did NOT sign this executive order. On 14 April 2009, the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im), whose mission “is to assist in financing the export of U.S. goods and services to international markets,” issued a preliminary approval for a $2 billion loan to Brazil’s national oil company, Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras), to help fund offshore oil exploration and development.
      The approval of the loan was an action undertaken not by officials who had been appointed by President Obama, but by his predecessor, President George W. Bush, as Ex-Im itself stated: The Bank’s bipartisan Board unanimously approved the preliminary commitment to Petrobras on April 14, 2009, before any Obama appointees joined the Bank. In fact, at the time the Bank’s Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush.”
      “Despite the claim that the money committed to Petrobras is “taxpayer dollars,” Ex-Im notes that “the vast majority of our financing consists of guarantees of loans made by commercial lenders,” that “the bank is self-sustaining and does not receive any appropriated funds from Congress,” and that “the Bank’s activities do not cost the American taxpayer a dime.”

      AND, there are no restricting regulations causing any significant reduction drilling. her in Houston, they are drilling a new well in one of our city parks. Look up rig count and you will see every rig available is drilling right here in America.
      ALSO, KEEP IN MIND THAT IRAN, CHINA, RUSSIA AND OPEC ARE TRYING TO GET SOUTH AMERICAN OIL. I’M PISSED THAT OBAMA DIDN’T PUT MONEY INTO BRAZIL AND THAT IT WAS BUSH, WHO DID. BUSH WAS RIGHT ON THAT DEAL AND OBAM NEEDS TO FOLLOW SUIT OR WE WILL BE BUYING BRAZIL OIL FROM OPEC.

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    • onewildman April 7, 2011 at 4:01 pm

      Cless all the information you have on this is from liberal sites or written by liberals. of coarse we know liberals don’t lie do they. Why would the 8th largest need to barrow money. also why do think Obama went to Brazil? Why didn’t Obama stop this deal if he were not sealing us down the river. George Soros is the largest share holder and good friend and donate to Obama and all things liberal. he should have been tried for his part in the deaths of Jewish people in WW2.
      I know bush made these appointments or at least some of them but even republicans are fooled by people who claim to be conservative and are not. There have been plenty of judges that fit that bill. I have never seen a liberal appointee who turned out to be conservative.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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  3. onewildman April 7, 2011 at 9:39 am

    To be perfectly honest our draconian laws that our liberal democrats starting with Carter pas is the reason gas prices are as high as they are. If we had started drilling when the National Geological Survey told him there was oil off the east coast gas would be under a dollar unless there had been an increase in taxes. Carter’s failed energy policies started the ball rolling. Republicans had no back bone to force the issue and the longer they waited the worse things got.
    If we were to start drilling now in all the areas where we know there is definitely oil & gas we can free of need of all foreign oil in as little as ten years. It is simply a crime against the people to purposely force the to endure high cost associated oil. I mean everything and everyone is dependent on oil in this country.
    There are some things we can do. First we can ban plastic bottles and return to glass. Not only is plastic an oil product it also use energy in many places where coal is burned creating a bigger carbon footprint. You can find bottles in the middle of the ocean. This item creates pollution when it is made and after contents are removed it becomes pollution again. I know you can recycle but there are two problems with that. First storage you have to save an extremely large amount to make it worth you while to take it in. That reason that is the second. In my state you pay a 5 cents surcharge called a CRV in my state but when you recycle it yo get pennies on the dollar. You do twice as good with Aluminum cans.
    The next thing is those plastic bags. Most of the time they come apart right at the counter or need to be doubled bagged. Most of those go home with you and then straight into the trash. There are a few places that still use paper bags which I prefer. I know it comes from the forest but it can come from other materials such as hemp or tree farms that grow for this purpose. Reducing the use of plastic will leave more oil for producing gasoline and fuel oil for heating.
    If we don’t drill now and every where we can we are only going to fall further.
    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! !

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    • Liberty4310 April 7, 2011 at 3:13 pm

      You’re right about using glass instead of plastic.  For starters, many plastic food containers (and tin cans, for that matter) contain chemicals that are harmful to man.  But glass can be infinitely recyled and reused where plastic recycling is ineficient, at best.  Also, you can visit an antique store and find glass items for sale at fairly high prices.  Any plastics in that category?  Don’t think so.  Plastic polution is everywhere.  Ugh!

      I have wondered, however, if it wouldn’t make sense for people using heating oil to convert to natural gas or electric heat.  In some areas, heating oil is not used at all.

      I was struck by Obama’s statistics.  Many geologists have recently stated that we have far more domestic oil reserves than was previously known and that we could be self sufficient for somewhere between 45 and 2000 years.  Yet he says we have only 3 percent of the worlds supply.  Somebody is wrong.  He also failed to address the need for additional, more modern refineries.

      By the way, my SUV (2000 Toyota 4Runner) gets 18-24 miles to the gallon (city vs. highway).

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    • onewildman April 7, 2011 at 4:08 pm

      Liberty4310, We produce 3% of the worlds oil. Obama likes to twist things to look different and liberals love to hear the lie and repeat it. I have known about the vast amount of oil in America for at least ten years. The main stream media ignores those stories. It doesn’t fit their liberal agenda.
      One more thing about glass if you throw it into the ocean, it sinks it breaks and eventually it becomes sand again.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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  4. Chris B April 7, 2011 at 11:21 am

    My own personal viewpoint is tainted by the fact I own a Prius that gets 48 MPG and have the ability to work from home on some days if the gas prices get too high.  Still I have a one way commute that is 35 miles and that can only be made by car.
     
    There are some facts of American life we cannot change.  America is significantly larger than Europe and the distance for most people between their homes their markets and their places of work is much larger.  Public transportation (mine is New York’s MTA) is corrupt, inefficient and will only get worse with improved ridership because they will simply funnel the money to non transportation related projects.  On the other hand, scheduling your children for a different sport league every night isn’t important and it’s something you really should change.  (I would just not rather have to raise gas prices to get that to happen.)
     
    We tend to forget in many price of oil discussions that oil is used for far more important things in our economy than the gas in our cars.  The price of gas is based on a number of factors.  It really takes more than just “drill, baby, drill” as we also need to “refine, baby, refine.”  The state of our refineries are in horrid shape thanks to those environmentalists.

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    • Precious April 7, 2011 at 2:15 pm

      Hi Chris. You make a good point about the refineries. The EPA has not allowed any new refineries for better than 30 years.

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    • mrbill April 10, 2011 at 3:07 pm

      Chris:
      I am on the other end of that spectum. I live in a small west Texas town with zero public transportation. I am 68 and have a bad leg. It is 3 miles to the grocery store . I supplement my SS with a part-time business that requires driving. average miles on days I work runs around 400 and I have gone as high as 835 in one day. I can not use an electric car due to range. If fuel should hit $5.00 or up it would not be feasible to continue my small business.

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  5. ChewyBees April 7, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    The other side of this issue is the complete joke that advancements in the gas combustion engine have been.  In 40 years mpg ratings have increased by what, 5mpg if not gone down in some circumstances.  This despite every other form of technology making monumental strides in performance and efficiency.  There is obvious pandering by the oil conglomerates (corporations and corporate governments) to keep cars and trucks burning fuel like it is going out of style (is it?) and zero honest development to revamp the the cars and trucks they are selling.  Oh sure, there are the hybrid models, which with few exceptions are still unacceptable as far as mpg is concerned.  And then there is the constant stream of American muscle boats, each year a fancier one with more horsepower, just waiting for Mr. and Mrs. ego to lay the rubber down.
    By keeping the demand up the oil companies have ensured that they can charge any price they want.  By keeping the autos we drive inefficient and polluting, they can keep the demand up.  It’s a no win situation for the consumer.  If gas hits 5, a shock will be sent throughout the American economy that could send an already precarious line of dominoes falling with no recovery this time.

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    • RW April 7, 2011 at 12:27 pm

      So, CB, you gonna be an owner of the million or so  totally electric cars obama promised he’d have on the road soon? You know the ones that get 30 miles a charge, and you will recharge the batteries at all the charging stations we have built along the roadways?
       
      You know the ones, they are electric and ya plug ’em into yer house electrical system (which is insinuated that the charge is free…HAH). The ones that will cost ONLY $45,000 and seat 2 people, 4 for the large one, but you don’t breathe hard while driving…
       
      Yeah, THOSE electric cars.
       
      Uh huh, let me know how all that works out fer ya…

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    • Vicki April 7, 2011 at 1:27 pm

      ” There is obvious pandering by the oil conglomerates (corporations and corporate governments) to keep cars and trucks burning fuel like it is going out of style (is it?) and zero honest development to revamp the the cars and trucks they are selling.”

      Um…  I don’t think the oil conglomerates have anywhere near enough money to buy off all the car companies.  If you owned a car company you would have a strong motivation to increase gas mileage cause you knew in 1977 (that is when Honda DID increase gas mileage and so did the competitors) that people would pay extra for good gas mileage. 

      Perhaps you should stop blaming corporations and start noticing that it is government and its constant abuse of power with burdensome regulations that have our gasoline prices going over $4 per gallon (already happened here).
       

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    • Vicki April 7, 2011 at 1:31 pm

      RW writes:

      “You know the ones, they are electric and ya plug ‘em into yer house electrical system (which is insinuated that the charge is free…HAH).”

      And obama promised that energy (was talking about coal electric generation at the time) prices would skyrocket.  That means the electricity to the house that people plug in their electric cars.  And wait till they have to pay for the electricity at all those charging stations.

      Another perk for employers to offer their employees though.  Free charging.

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    • JDZ April 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm

      Today’s cars, as compared to those 50 years ago during the American Grafiti days when muscle cars were popular and the average gas mileage was 12 mph, are remarkedly much better.  Today’s automobile has been strapped by the environmentalists/liberals that control our government with all kinds of emission equipment, safety equipment, and other regulations and, the the average corporate gas mileage is well over 25 mpg.  I drive a car with 382 horsepower that will do 108 mpg in a quarter mile, but with a seven speed transmission, fuel injection, computer controlled everything, and 11 air bags, it still gets 26 mpg on the freeway and over 18 mpg around town.  Our new cars get stronger, lighter, cleaner, and safer in every model turnover.  I will buy a hybrid or a Volt electric only for around the town driving once they become more cost effective. These cars are expensive, small, and unproven for long term trips where access to electric may be an issue and it would have to burn more gasoline anyway, so what for? 

      While I have a choice, I choose a full sized gasoline powered sedan for my roadtrips and freeway driving. “I love my car”…it is an accumulation of style, technology, safety, performance, and it is almost zero emission.

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  6. John E. Nevola April 7, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    That’s what America needs to hear!  More glib, smart remarks about how the people are screwing up the energy policy of America by driving gas-guzzlers! 
     
    And you folks with big families, if you don’t have 10 kids you should be driving a Prius!
     
    And since we can’t solve the problem in three weeks, well…let’s not do anything.  When the price of gasoline gets high enough, people will stop driving or trade their cars in (seriously?) immediately for better mileage ones.  And we’ll all live happily ever after!
     
    This is what passes for leadership these days!  Clinton vetoed Anwar over 10 years ago because he said it would take 10 years to gain any benefit.  What are we NOT DOING today for the same lame reason?
     
    Please, let us exploit ALL of our natural resources to create as much energy as possible from all sources immediately!  We can do it without destroying the environment but we have to start now and we need someone to lead the way! 
     
     
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    • TRUTHTELLER April 7, 2011 at 4:50 pm

      Good points John.  But before we can take advantage of all of our domestic resources, we must put a firm foot down on the necks of these environazis that control the EPA.  They have prohibited the building of any new oil refineries for the past thirty years.  All the crude oil in the country will be of no use without increased refining capacity.

      First we must defund or severely restrict the powers of the EPA.  Then, we must fast track the permits for at least three or four new refineries.  After they are up and running, we then can upgrade our existing refineries to increase capacity.

      All of this can be done while simultaneously drilling domestically, to tap our oil reserves.

      Then, and only then, can we become oil independant.

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    • cless April 7, 2011 at 6:37 pm

      GEEZ, every time I think I am done and start for the dinner table, an email notice of “onewildman” and “TRUTHTELLER” comes in telling what they just commented on. And, I can’t stand letting it go. If you were to cut their heads open, you would only find a far right recorder playing ****.
       
      I presently have a $5B. Western Indonesia, crude oil refinery on my desk. The only reason I have had the time to comment on GOPUSA today, is because the extra data I have to wait on, won’t be in until around 2:00 AM tomorrow morning. I will be getting them some dock works, pipeline and storage numbers for their financing proposal. It is being build as a partnership, between one of our major oil companies and one from India and one from Sumatra. I did a similar JV last year on a Darwin, Australia, super unleaded, in lay terms, gasoline refinery and another one in New Zealand.
       
      EPA, hardly had anything to do with these refineries being built overseas. Of course, virtually not having any pollution restrictions at all, is a factor, but, it isn’t enough to blame on the EPA. They can run all kinds of serious pollutants into the oceans and put all sorts of things in the air, but the main thing is, they don’t have to breathe it or swim in it.
       
      They will be getting very sweet crude oil out of the India Ocean, South China Sea, and Philippine Sea. The Australians will refine it and ship the gasoline to the US West Coast, California mostly. Labor is cheaper and shipping is less, wherein they will pocket the difference.
       
      BUT, MOST OF ALL, AMERICANS, INCLUDING REFINERY EMPLOYEES DO NOT WANT TO LIVE WITHIN A HUNDRED MILES OF THOSE SMELLY, LIFE THREATENING MONSTERS. IT’S JUST LIKE WANTING THE PEOPLE ACROSS TOWN TO GET THE NEW GARBAGE DUMP. 
       
      It’s even better, if they can put one in Brazil and let those people breathe our s—. Shipping is shipping, whether it is crude oil to be refined in the USA or finished Gasoline to be readily off loaded and go directly to the gas stations. That is why we don’t have any new refineries in America and probably why Obama was down in Brazil. HOWEVER, IT WAS BUSH, NOT OBAMA, WHO GOT THE $2B FOR BRAZIL. OBAMA WOULD BE SMART IF HE HAD.
       
      OH, BY-THE -WAY, gasoline is not the only product they will come out of the 2-gals of crude. Part of the gas will make hydrogen. Other parts of the crude will make plastics, chemicals, alcohol, anti-freeze on down to asphalt and then pitch. It’s like getting everything out of the cow, except the MOO.

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    • Vicki April 7, 2011 at 9:30 pm

      Cless writes:

      “If you were to cut their heads open, you would only find a far right recorder playing ****.”

      And you expect us to take you seriously when you start out your post with ad hominem attacks?
       

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  7. cless April 7, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Did anyone notice that Bobby Eberle DID NOT MENTION what Obama could or should do about the cost of gasoline? I didn’t see that from any of the commenters either. I didn’t read any of you say that the high gas prices back during Bush’s administration could have been fixed by him. I did not read, where you said that drill, drill, drill will not have any affect on prices for at least 10 years. I did read, where you bashed Obama for trying to take imported oil away from the middle east, by developing it in countries on this side of the ocean, like Brazil. 
     
    I didn’t read that today’s prices are driven by speculators and traders driving up prices to make big profits. You know who I am talking about, the stock market people you want to be set free from regulation and put our Medicare and Social Security funs in to their hands. I did not read where you said that there is excess oil and gasoline on the market and that USA Oil Companies are exporting gas, to make even more profits.
     
    I didn’t read you say that it was the high gas prices that trigger our recession and, heaven forbid, exposed all of the toxic notes your big contributing banks were issuing and therein, brought the world to its knees, WHEN BUSH WAS PRESIDENT. I didn’t read your saying how the SEC under Bush, just didn’t pay attention to any of that, by instruction. I didn’t read your saying that most of the Republican Congress People, who were involved in all of that, are now working on killing what little legislation we have to stop that.
     
    I didn’t read where you said that your Party is trying to kill the EPA so your big oil companies can make even more profits. I didn’t read where you told about your party’s new budget will give the rich even more tax breaks, especially big business, DESPITE THAT HAS NEVER TRICKLED DOWN TO THE WORKING CLASS IN ALL OF HISTORY or CREATED JOBS. Your party is even against limiting or taxing outsourcing.
     
    DO YOU HAVE A DEED FOR THIS ENTIRE NATION ALL READY FOR YOUR NEWLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TO SIGN AND TURN OVER TO THE RICH? THEY ALREADY CONTROL 90% OF IT, SO WHAT WILL THE REMAINDING 10% HURT, HUH?  

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    • ItalianDragn April 7, 2011 at 12:41 pm

      ACTUALLY >> Bush did order that this http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911 be tapped.  But years later it is still getting blocked.

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    • Billzilla April 7, 2011 at 1:30 pm

      Cless didn’t you say good bye to us and tell us that you were leaving to find another site? Just asking.

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    • Rich Money April 7, 2011 at 1:35 pm

      Cless:
      I’ll be happy to address what Obama should do about the rising gas prices. Allow AMERICANS to drill for American oil. Maybe you missed his speech in Brazil, where he said that he wanted to help the Brazilians develop OUR oil reserves and then BUY it from them. “We want to be your best customer,” he said. WHAT? Let me see if I have it straight…you won’t let America develop our own oil which would completely remove ANY depencency on foreign oil, but you want to help a foreign country develop it so we can BUY it from them? That’s like owning a produce stand, giving the produce to your competitor and BUYING it back from them. It is yet another example of stupidity from the Boy Blunder that currently occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. OBAMA doesn’t want us to develop our reserves because he knows it would essentially bankrupt all of the Muslim nations in the middle east if we stopped buying their oil. He is hell-bent on the destruction of this great nation, and it is misinformed people like you who are helping him do it. Wake up, son…socialism hasn’t worked anywhere else in the world, and it won’t work here either.

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    • GHU April 7, 2011 at 1:39 pm

      Wow, Cless……your comments are all full of all the Democrat/Progressive idiot talking points. I’d like to know where is the media? Bush was blamed continuously as soon as gas went up. But not Obama. Obama doesn’t care if gas costs $10/ gal. He doesn’t want us to drill for oil in the USA…period. He’d rather give Brazil $2 billion to drill for oil and then we’ll BUY OIL FROM THEM!! He WANTS your gas & energy prices to “sky-rocket”…….Why? Because he’s pushing the “man-made global warming and green energy” hoax so he and his buddies can make “big profits”.  He doesn’t care about the Constitution or going to Congress to pass energy legislation, he’s using the EPA and his “executive orders”. It  was YOUR buddies forcing banks to accept housing loans that people couldn’t afford (Fannie & Freddie and Clinton, Barney & Dodd) that caused the housing meltdown and recession.
      From the video, Obama shows an arrogance and complete disregard for working American citizens! In short, he doesn’t have a clue!

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    • Vicki April 7, 2011 at 1:40 pm

      “Did anyone notice that Bobby Eberle DID NOT MENTION what Obama could or should do about the cost of gasoline? I didn’t see that from any of the commenters either.”

      We didn’t need to.  Most everybody already knows what needs to be done.  Throw government prohibitions under a convenient bus and let America do what it has always done best.

      I could comment about the rest of the socialist/communist talking points but there were so many that no one would read them anyway.

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    • Precious April 7, 2011 at 2:22 pm

      You wrote…”I didn’t read any of you say that the high gas prices back during Bush’s administration could have been fixed by him. I did not read, where you said that drill, drill, drill will not have any affect on prices for at least 10 years.”

      So you think that if we wait and do nothing for another 10, 20 years things will get better.

      Then you wrote: “Obama for trying to take imported oil away from the middle east, by developing it in countries on this side of the ocean, like Brazil. ”

      Yep, and guess who owns the oil company that Obama loaned $2 billion dollars too? If ya said George Soros you would be right, and secondly we would have to buy the oil from Brazil, so where is that saving us any money???

      As for your statements about the “rich”. Nothing but the same old tired liberal talking points. Get real.

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    • cless April 7, 2011 at 2:45 pm

      I worked at laying board roads in the oilfield, of Texas, during the summers between school years. Later, I worked on the drilling rigs as a roughneck. Then, when I got out of College, I worked as a Design Engineer in developing oil refineries from Texas up through Kansas, into Illinois, Montana, Vietnam and Venezuela. During the 1970s and 80s, I owned and operated an oilfield construction company. After the oil crash of 1982, I went to Nevada to manage mining operations. Today, I do consulting work for refineries and drilling.
       
      AND, I AM STILL AN INDEPENDENT, BILLZILLA, WHO HAS COME BACK THIS TIME, WHEN I READ WHAT YOUR GOPUSA. STAFF WRITER, BOBBY EBERLE WROTE IN THIS ARTICLE. 
       
      ItalianDragon, those oil reserves are not developable. The oil is so locked up in the formations, it would cost three times as much as it is worth to extract.  
       
      Rich Money, we could bring rigs in from all over the world, to drill in all of our reserves and still hardly make a dent in our demand. You have heard that, even on FOX news. And, there are no regulations keeping safe drilling from going on anywhere in this country or off shore. Down, here next to the Gulf, we do not want to have another Horizon incident, especially when even if completed, it won’t come on line for at least 6 to 8 years.
       
      Our own oil companies are promoting the likes of Brazil and many other South American countries, with much more accessible oil. Even they would prefer buying it from them over the Middle East and all of its instability and hostility towards us.  Also, which I know from actual experience, Bush still has a special bond with and holdings in Saudi Arabia and other Middle East countries, not Obama. 
       
      GHU, why do you think Global Warming is not a threat? Are you a scientist on the subject or a thorough researcher of data? I was the Lead Designer of an EXXON project back in 1968 addressing this issue. Their carbon discharges were terrible and they knew it. They were also concerned over the fall out, because of Ozone levels. But, evidently you want to see those oil companies keep all of the enormous profits they are making off today’s gasoline, by not spending part of it cleaning up our breathing air.
       
      THINK ABOUT IT EVERYONE. THE OIL COMPANIES CHARGE US THE SAME NO MATTER WHERE THE OIL COMES FROM. EVEN IF THEY WERE TO PRODUCE IT RIGHT INSIDE OF THEIR REFINERY AND HAD NO SHIPPING COST, THEY WOULD STILL PRICE IT OUT LIKE IT WAS COMING FROM SAUDI ARABIA AND KEEP THE DIFFERENCE. PRODUCING IT DOMESTICLY, WILL NOT REDUCE OUR COST AT THE PUMP, AS LONG AS FOREIGN OIL COSTS WHAT IT DOES.
       
      JR and ter334 are right on, with what is happening in cars and oil.
       
      Bobby Eberle, you are supposed to be the expert guiding all of these people and you know there is only two ways to bring down our gasoline prices, quickly. One is to nationalize the oil companies. The other is to shut down the futures and commodities markets. NOW TELL US WHICH OF THE TWO YOU RECOMMEND.  

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    • onewildman April 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm

      Cless once again you don’t what you are talking about. Gas prices under Bush were under $2.00 a gallon most of his term Only once did they get high and it was for a couple of months in the summer of 2006 and it went back down to $1.61 a gallon before he left office.
      The oil speculators are not part of the stock market but they do drive it up and down. You Bash Bush in almost every post you do. Your one of the liberals with selective memories. You hate the rich and weather you like it or not if it weren’t for those rich people and the ones who took a chance we would be a third world nation.
      The EPA has over step its bounds and needs to be controlled. I lived in the smog of Los Angeles during the 60’s, 70, and the 80’s it got better each of those decades. There is nothing like the smog we use to have. We find more smog here from China than California. There has not been a smog alert that I can remember since the 80’s here. May have missed one but I remember day after day of unhealthy air.
      By the way if the banking regulations had not expired under Clinton which he had the power to continue we would have never had the housing crash.
      I think everyone knows by now you are one the party of hate AKA Democrats.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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    • Rich Money April 7, 2011 at 3:22 pm

      Cless:
      Do you even bother to read the drivel you post before you post it? You are the best I’ve seen at parroting liberal talking points without even a shred of proof to back them up. If our oil reserves are so difficult to reach, why is Obama offering to help the Brazilians develop them? Why would we give a foreign government control over AMERICAN reserves? Makes absolutely no sense. Of course, making absolutely no sense is par for the course with Obama and his liberal hacks. As for global warming, if it is such the threat that Al Gore says it is, why does he live in a house in Tennessee that consumes three times as much electrical power as any house in the area, when he’s claiming everyone else should be trading in their SUV’s for Shoebox cars? If it is such a pending catastrophe, why did so many global warming “chicken littles” find it necessary to deliberately suppress and alter data to make it look like the problem is much worse than the evidence shows it is really?  Global warming is about power; it always has been. If the ecoterrorists can convince us that the planet is in danger, they open up the lane for any abuse of power they can dream up. Your land gets seized…too bad, buddy, the planet’s in trouble. Everybody’s gotta make sacrifices. A ridiculous job-crippling cap and trade tax on the energy companies? Sorry, everybody’s gotta do their part. Euthanasia for senior citizens because they’re ill…too bad, the planet can’t sustain the resources needed to care for them. It’s power, pure and simple.
      I have only one question for you, Cless. How can you call yourself an independent thinker when everything you espouse on this site comes straight out of the liberal talking points playbook? I freely admit I am a conservative and proud of it. Free enterprise,  American exceptionalism and a firm belief in God is what built us into a great nation, and this is the only formula that will return us to greatness. It is obvious to me and anyone else who reads your posts that you are a liberal. Why be ashamed of it? If your way is the best way, then proudly stand up for it. Don’t sit there like a thumb sucker trying to straddle the fence and say you’re independent when you so obviously aren’t independent. There are probably a handful of sites that cater to liberal worldviews…why not visit them? I do not waste time reviewing liberalism, because I have been all over the world and seen the effects of socialism. They aren’t pretty. One day you will wake up to the country you always dreamed of, and only then will you truly see how socialism is truly a nightmare. Most people on this site are trying to turn the tide back to American exceptionailsm, and I for one am proud of the country the founding fathers left us. I will continue to fight to try to get us back to it.  
       
       

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    • pypypypy April 7, 2011 at 4:02 pm

      “Did anyone notice that Bobby Eberle DID NOT MENTION what Obama could or should do about the cost of gasoline? I didn’t see that from any of the commenters either”

      Cless, that is above my pay grade. Also I am not one of the priviledge few like Soros and Trumka to name a few who has Mr Obama’s ear.

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    • LuLu April 7, 2011 at 6:13 pm

      It hasn’t been a full week since Cless said he was leaving this site, never to return. No shock that he doesn’t keep his word. After all, he’s a liberal.
      If Cless’s BS was gasoline we could all be driving limousines that get 20 gallons to the mile!
      Impeach Cless!!!

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    • cless April 7, 2011 at 7:21 pm

      I love you too LuLu and mean you no harm. I just want truth and never want to elect even a city counsel person from lies, because I am a member of his or her party and I want to believe you feel the same. I welcome real truth, about every person that I depend upon to take care of my family’s livelihood, security and wellbeing.
       
      The problem is, I am not finding this on GOPUSA and it scares me that you people are swallowing it. Why do you hate Obama so much, that you will do anything to get rid of him? Please tell me the truth about that, even if it because he is black? Something is causing you to NOT be objective about it. I see people making up their own truths, because they hate him so much and can’t find a truth for why.
       
      Go after me with all you can and prove what I write is wrong. Call upon your GOPUSA staff to help you. I work in oil and gas; do you or the guy who wrote the article we are writing about? If I wasn’t old and independent, I would have to go along with you. But, I don’t have to and I don’t want my grandchildren to suffer, because of you.  
       
      So, tell me how you want your newly, elected 2012 President to handle the price of gasoline? I say that expecting that the oil companies and traders will find some Republican action to say lowered it right at election time. It is in their best interest to have Republicans in control, in order to make even more money.
       
      However, if the gasoline prices are still high, when your President takes office, he will have only three choices to lower them. So, which do you like:
       
      1. Nationalize the oil companies.
       
      2. Suspend all futures and commodity trading.
       
      3. Use our US Petroleum Reserves, until they run out.

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    • Vicki April 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm

      “Why do you hate Obama so much, that you will do anything to get rid of him? ”

      We obviously don’t because he is still there.  And contrary to YOUR opinion most of us do NOT hate Obama.  We don’t know him.  We DO know his actions and stated policies and we DO dislike those.

      Please tell me the truth about that, even if it because he is black?

      What a surprise.  A liberal (who claims to be independent) playing the race card.

      “Something is causing you to NOT be objective about it. I see people making up their own truths, because they hate him so much and can’t find a truth for why.”

      What I see is a liberal projecting.

      “So, tell me how you want your newly, elected 2012 President to handle the price of gasoline?”

      Rein in the government bureaucrats and drill baby drill. Extra points for refine baby refine.

      I say that expecting that the oil companies and traders will find some Republican action to say lowered it right at election time. It is in their best interest to have Republicans in control, in order to make even more money.

      Liberal projecting again.  Obamas affair with Petrobras shows clearly where the crony capitialism lies.

      However, if the gasoline prices are still high, when your President takes office, he will have only three choices to lower them. So, which do you like:

      1. Nationalize the oil companies.

      2. Suspend all futures and commodity trading.

      3. Use our US Petroleum Reserves, until they run out.
       

      4. Get government out of the way.

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    • knorske April 7, 2011 at 10:13 pm

      Vicki…For a different article, you posted a comment about trying to explain the merits of and rationale of (general) conservative actions.  This was in response to my post about ignoring the trolls, they had steel-trap minds (nothing gets in), and so on.  I surely agree, in the arena of perception, any comment made without rebuttal is eventually considered “true.”  Your position and goal are truely noble, but I contend it is a waste of your bandwith to post rebuttals in any attempt to “educate” the trolls.  I believe you have seen in many posts to Bobby’s great article, those same trolls have made no “progress” in the learning department, regardless of yours and others excellent rebuttals which outline the facts and history to support your comments.  I believe the majority of us readers are in general agreement with what the authors (Bobby and others) so eloquently point out for us.  As I note, I believe your goal is noble, but I sense a hint of futility in your posts for this article (in regard to “educating” the trolls).

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    • Vicki April 8, 2011 at 1:50 pm

      Knorske writes:

      “I contend it is a waste of your bandwith to post rebuttals in any attempt to “educate” the trolls.”

      Remember it is not the trolls I post to educate.  As you say they are either hopeless or intentional trolls.  We rebut their arguments to help break the brainwashing of all those people who come here and read but do not necessarily post.
      It is to people like I used to be, who really want to know what is going on but have been brainwashed by MSM and public education, that we address with our comments.  Only thru posts from conservatives constantly pointing out the illogic of the liberal thought, with actual facts, was I able to finally break the chains.  I am simply passing on the gift.

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    • knorske April 8, 2011 at 9:11 pm

      Vicki…I bow to your posting approach.  You are consistent and timely.  Please keep it going.

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  8. JR April 7, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    The oil sold by OPEC is by the barrel (55 gallons per barrel).  If OPEC raises the cost per barrel by 6 cents, that means 55 gallons divided by 6 cents equals true cost increase of .0019 (less than a cent).  Why does it jump so dramatically at the pump if less than a cent per gallon…..big international oil companies taking profits and government profiting off percentages on higher prices (in bed with each other).

    In Venezuelia they pay 16 cents a gallon.  Americans are being raped and looted.

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    • m31ind4 April 7, 2011 at 1:53 pm

      One 42 gallon barrel of crude oil, when refined, produces 19.9 gallons of finished motor gasoline, as well as other petroleum products. This means that it takes 2.1 gallons of crude oil to produce 1 gallon of gasoline. This number will vary according to the level of refinement desired. (source U.S. Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration [http://www.eia.doe.gov])

      Read more: How many gallons of crude oil does it take to make one gallon of gasoline? | Answerbag http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/16916#ixzz1IreDeLUz

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    • DS67 April 7, 2011 at 2:27 pm

      A barrel of oil is 42 US gallons.  But you are right about the low price in Venezuela…actually, last I saw it was 12 cents.  Hmmm, maybe we should just buy it from there and ship it to the US at that price!  I wonder how many electric cars they have?

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  9. ter334 April 7, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Too much/high depends upon how much one wastes and how few is the mpg of their car.  And if they are willing to use mass transit.    It seems likely that govt’s and industries dedication to provide cheap energy is misguided.  And probably is unsustainable. 

    A wave of new jobs may very well be assembling buses, building new RR lines driving city buses and things related to reducing vehicle energy consumption.  And building new houses close to mass trransit facilities, and manually tearing down houses that are isolatd and remote.    I was a kid in a low energy consumption society so the idea of not having access to all the cheap energy I lust after does not scare me. 

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  10. bobnip April 7, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    The Marxist Muslim stands with microphone in hand and makes up statistics as he speaks! How he totally ignores the USGS Report that shows there is 18 times the amount of oil beneath our own soil than exists in the entire Middle East is beyond me! The longer we wait to drill the more money his KING in Saudi Arabia, Abdullah, makes.
    Maurice Strong, that poses as an “Environmentalist” is responsible in large part for our inability to drill. He is paying environmental groups to sue any time an Oil Exploration effort is made. He ties up companies in legal red tape for decades to stop oil production in the United States. Is this because he is so concerned about our environment? Hell No! He is a Billionaire that has invested millions in the Brazilian Oil fields! It’s all about the money, folks! Oh…by the way…Maurice Strong…that used to be a UN Envoy…now lives in Beijing China and is working with the Chinese government investment program in their efforts to make the United States subservient to them.

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    • Precious April 7, 2011 at 2:28 pm

      Good catch Bobnip…Obama doesn’t WANT any oil, not now not ever.  He could care less how much oil we have below the surface in our continent.

      Kicking off what campaign advisors have dubbed “energy week,” Barack Obama today called for an “end to the age of oil in our time.” He backed up his trademark optimism with the most dramatic auto technology proposals of the 2008 campaign cycle. Obama said he hopes to see 1 million plug-in hybrid and electric vehicles on the road by 2015,
      Click to read more..
       

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    • onewildman April 8, 2011 at 9:21 am

      There are not enough people who can afford this high priced cars. Until they build a midsized electric car that is competitive in price and can travel the same distances gas cars drive, it’s not going to happen. They also have a long charge time, not very piratical for long distance.
      As for mass transit I live in Los Angeles and would not use it unless I was issued a CCP. Hell you cant even go to a Dodger game without worrying about being jumped and beating. The only reason this incident that happened last week was because the person was severely injured. people have physical confrontations regularly there and at Angeles stadium.
      The only answer is to DRILL HERE NOW!
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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  11. novaks47 April 7, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    “Four-dollar per gallon gasoline is just around the corner, and it could mark the end of the Obama presidency.”
     
    Just around the corner? Heck, I’m in CA, and it’s been at $4+ for weeks now. I just paid $4.07/gal today, and that’s the cheap stuff! The major gas station are at least $4.17/gal, for regular. It’s going up a few cents almost daily now. And with fewer and fewer jobs in this state, most people have no choice but to commute long distances. And anyone who thinks this will get people to buy hybrids are sorely mistaken. If I can’t afford gas, what makes them think I can afford a $30K+ car?! Thanks greentards and libs!

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    • onewildman April 7, 2011 at 4:14 pm

      Yeah I’m headed d for the gas station after work. I hope it’s still $4.07 and hasn’t gone up since you bought yours.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! !

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  12. dad April 7, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Remember, it is only the working Americans that are affected… that is why Obama does not care.  Full fledged class warfare.

    Add a provision to a bill that would eliminate the govt employee private use of government vehicles…

    Tax the govt union slugs $1 per mile driven.

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  13. joesixpack31 April 7, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    We don’t have a president.  We have a marxist fairy in the oval oriface.  He doesn’t have to pay for fuel.  He’s throwing monkey wrenches in everywhere he can to bring the nation to a halt.  The nation lacks the machinery, the checks and balances to assess the unlawful actions actions underway by the administration and bring it to a halt by jailing the pretender and all his czars, staffers, puppetteers, etc.  The only way to rescue the nation is 20 million pairs of boots on the ground in Wash DC with shotguns and pitchforks.  Time for change we can believe in.   

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  14. Vicki April 7, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    $4 gas was a big deal to the Democrats in 2008.  Funny I don’t hear them screaming now when it is THEIR man in the oval office.
     

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  15. babs April 7, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    I just wonder.  Is it possible that our oil companies are bank rolling the environmentalists because its cheaper for them to import oil from foreign countries rather than drilling here?  If that is the case, then have our labor unions, EPA and others have shot us in the foot?  I’m just curious…..

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  16. babs April 7, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    I just wonder.  Is it possible that our oil companies are bank rolling the environmentalists because its cheaper for them to import oil from foreign countries rather than drilling here?  If that is the case, then have our labor unions, EPA and others shot us in the foot?  I’m just curious…..

    Sorry didnt mean to enter this twice.

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  17. pypypypy April 7, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    “Not much we can do,”???? what BS is this man talking about. He has held office for the last 2 yrs!!! Or does he think Bush was in still office?

    How about making is easier for US companies to drill and not loaning US$2B to Petrobras for a start.

    He is a sleek liar and takes credit for increase in oil production, like he took credit for leading the NO FLY zone in Libya.

    How can anyone vote again for this man???

    The bulk of electricity fueling electric cars comes from COAL. His green energy is a big scam. Who has the money to afford one of those anyway and the technology simply isnt there for long distance driving. Does he realise that America is a big country?? Electric cars simply isnt feasible.

    This increase in the price of gas will affect everyone because trucks transport food all over the country and food prices would have to increase to compensate for that.  Ethanol is corn based and this would increase food production (corn is used in almost all foods to feeding livestock) and his green agenda would increase competition between using corn for ethanol and in food production even further. The only persons gaining from his green agenda is him (another term in office) and his cronies (GE come to mind)

    Wind turbines, is not all that hunky dory either. There is massive issues and problems harnessing and getting the energy into the power grid!!!

    I think this is Mr Obama’s indirect and sneaky way to force us to consume less by making it difficult for US companies to drill in the US and the soaring gas prices will eventually force us to further cut back on our consumption 

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  18. Mort_f April 7, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    A few points to ponder.

    The Laws of Thermodynamics dictate that 35% is the maximum efficiency that can be gotten from  an internal combustion engine. I doubt if Congress acn pass a new Law of Thermodynamics, nor can the POTUS veto any Law of Nature.

    Much, if not most, of Alakan oil gets shipped to Japan and other asian countries.

    Canada has already asked to be able to export shale oil to the USA. Stopped by Obama. Unfortunately for Canada, they are a true friend, and have been so for centuries.

    Ethanol consumes more gasoline to produce than it can replace. Subsidizing it is the proverbial double whammy, for not only does it increase the cost of fuel, it increases the cost for food. Actually it is a triple whammy, for those subsidies mean higher taxes. Subsidies do not grow on trees.

    The chemistry for creating gasoline from coal is well known. It was the source of fuel for Nazi Germany during most of WWII. US coal reserves are HUGE!

    High technologyhas always been energy dependent. Can you think of a better way to bring a high tech country to its knees? Strategic bombing of Germany was only effective when we concentrated our bombing efforts on their fuel industry, nothing else was effective. Whatever one thinks of Obama, he is not stupid.

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    • pypypypy April 7, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      There are many green groups who were for ethanol but oppose it now. Now that they realised the amt of fertilisers that is being used in growing corn and the run off from the fertilisers into streams and the polluting the environment even more, they are opposing it. this is an old article but rather interesting http://gas2.org/2008/12/19/environmental-groups-oppose-ethanol-bailout-stimulus-pa/

      Dont these people study the environmental effects before they make false claims about the wonders of ethanol. The fact that you have to use fossil fuel to make it is simply great. Yet you dont see Obama talking about this.

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  19. gunsmoke April 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    You ask ” How much is too much for Gas ???? ”   Well, it is already way too much and for NO REASON !!!!  Oil prices went down and yet the price of Gas went up instead of following the same with the Oil pricing….. No Matter how you want to look at it, the price for Gasoline is totally outrageous and ridiculous…..and yet our Leader says there is little he can do about it, as quoted in one of his Media announcements…..recently !!!!  If this is the case then he has No Business being in the Office in which he is in….. I have said it time and again, Impeachment Proceedings  need to be put into place and to do away with this so called individual whom claims to be an American Citizen…… Ha, what a Joke !!!!   He is No More a Citizen than what Sadam Hussein was….to this Country….!!!! He could care even less for the American People such as you and I…..!!!!
    If anyone so thinks that Gasoline prices should be what they are, then they are surely duped into believing what everyone has told them and I said told to them…..  The Oil Company’s are using the excuses for Hurricanes Katrina, Ike, etc….. for the damages done to there Oil Platforms or Drilling Platforms and also damages to there Refining Plants…..  Most of ALL the damages wasn’t caused by these Natural Catasporphys, as most of ALL the equipment was OLD, outdated, worn-out, non-repairable, etc….. and they seized the opportunity to blame it on the Weather situations at the time for there own problems which they should have replaced long before the damage done by Mother Nature…..  If they had replaced these things like they should have, they wouldn’t have had any problems following the Weather situations….but they were to CHEAP to do so and Now we are paying for it through the NOSE…….!!!!  Why doesn’t someone get off his Rear-End and DO Something to tell these Oil Companys that enough is enough and that is FINAL…….
    If you don’t want to believe me, then just look at what the Prices are, not just for Gasoline, but what is Diesel Fuel pricing look like ????
       Has anyone looked lately ????
    Did you know it takes far less to refine Diesel Fuel than it does to make Gasoline ????  The absolute cheapest fuel is Coal Oil, then it goes up from there, Diesel Fuel is only 2 steps up from Coal Oil, whereas Gasoline is 5 -6 steps above this…..  Yet what are we seeing in pricing ????  Yep, you guessed it, Diesel Fuel is Higher than Gasoline Prices, WHY ????
    There is only 1 and only 1 answer for this, Government Taxing, Officials Cuts, etc……along with what the Oil Companys tell everyone why it is so HIGH in Price…..
    Friends, I speak my voice for what is known and what I myself know to be factual….. I am NOT out to try to cheat or scam anyone in anyway what-so-ever, but for myself I think that everyone likes to hear the actual TRUTH for a change….. ( Get this, I am saying for a change, someone else we all know said this almost 2 Years ago now, sure changes have been done, but for what are they worth ???? ) I laugh at this statement each and every time I hear it said……What a Joke !!!!  All I can say is that I am sure glad I was not one of those individuals whom was duped into believing in this individual…….I seen the Light and Thank GOD I did……  Yes, I am even saying what some might consider as harmfull to them, but TOO-BAD, I am an AMERICAN, Born & Raised here in the U.S.A. and I have the right to say what I want, when I want and NOBODY is going to tell me otherwise……You don’t like it, then GET the HELL out of my Country……  This Country was raised and believed in GOD long before anyone or most of us were even BORN, ALL OF OUR Words, Phrases, Documents, etc…… are all spoken with GOD in it, as it should be….as we are a NATION TO Whom believes in GOD and all that he does and says….. If we FAIL him, then he will surely FAIL us !!!!  Whether or not if you believe in him or not, you or nobody else has any right to tell me that I cannot speak of GOD in however I so choose to do so…….Apparently, if you DO NOT believe in GOD, then you must NOT have come from or were NOT BORN in this Country of mine the U.S.A. and so this means you don’t have the right to Critisize me or anyone else, nor have the right to take away what I believe is the TRUE GOD of ALL things living and  otherwise…..  If you want to believe in whatever, then do so, but don’t try taking or removing what I and others believe in……Go somewhere else and do whatever you want, we DO NOT want you here……You are a Menace to Society !!!! I, nor anyone else asked you to come here, so you are FREE to leave anytime since you are so Un-Happy here with what and How things are, so LEAVE !!!!  GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!

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  20. Bobinms April 7, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    I don’t understand why we hear a lot about electric cars and almost nothing about natural gas???
    Small countries like Israel can drive across the country on one charge.  So batteries for their autos make sense.  But we are a big country and how far will a charge get you, 100 miles???  At this rate you’d spend all your time getting re-charged.  As for the environment in this country electricity mostly comes from burning coal.  I know we’ve go lots of coal which is a plus for battery powered vehicles.
    Then there’s natural gas.  It’s easy to convert your existing vehicle to natural gas. No need to buy a new vehicle.  Farmers in this area have been doing this with their tractors for years.  With natural gas you can fill you tank in about he same time you can with gasoline so those cross country trips won’t be spend in a re-charge station.  As for the environment, natural gas burns cleaner than coal.  And yes, we have lots of natural gas.
    What’s wrong with my logic????
     

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    • cless April 7, 2011 at 4:29 pm

      OMG, BOBINMS, WHERE DID YOU COME FROM. Hell yes natural gas is the answer. All of San Diego police and other city vehicles run on it. Other cities have their bus lines and garbage trucks burning it. It is clean, very much cheaper and we have more than 200 years of it to burn. You would have to do a 10 minute refuel every 150 to 200 miles, but that would be a small trade off for what we get over all.
      Besides that, who takes a cross country trip every week. Most of us have to work and the 150 miles should work for a week. When, you want to take that long trip and do not want to stop say every, 175 miles, refill and stretch your legs, rent a gasoline car for the trip.
      You asked if T. Bone Pickens is a conservative. He was the one who financed the “Swift Boat” campaign against Perry, in the election against Bush. So, you tell me. However, T. Bone has been working with Obama on wind and gas, since Obama’s election and just a week or so ago, they agreed to step up the conversion to NG.
      In interviews on CNBC, which because of my trading Treasury activities, I have to watch constantly, I often see T. Bone making NG comments. He has shown projections that say, if we were to fund the switch over to NG, up to 4M immediate jobs would be created. Then another 2M or so would follow. Once, the conversion is made, we produce enough oil to produce our own plastics and to sell to other parts of the world still dependent on gasoline. NOT BAD , HUH. BUT THE OIL COMPANIES AND THEREFORE YOUR PARTY AREN’T TOO HAPPY ABOUT IT.

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    • Bobinms April 7, 2011 at 4:50 pm

      Cless, you may be surprised to learn that I don’t have a party.  I think both parties are motivated by personal interest and could care less about the people or this country.

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    • onewildman April 8, 2011 at 9:33 am

      Cless we have gas burning vehicles here LA CA. There is one major problem with them they are extremely explosive. We had one while being fueled blow up. It killed two people and destroyed the building next to it.
      You claim to be an engineer, you should know if a natural gas vehicle blew up in a crash in rush hour traffic it would create a domino effect with all the natural gas vehicle in close proximity . Gasoline powered cars rarely blow up in an accident at least from what I have seen. The only alternate energy that will give the economic and distance in the same package is hydrogen fuel cells that only produce the hydrogen as it is being used. They are working on but it’s there yet.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !
       
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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  21. pypypypy April 7, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Well it gets better, now the DemocRATic weasels in DC are saying that they there wont be drilling in the US if the Govt shuts down, ie  govt agency wont be able to process the permits/applications!!! and will push oil prices even higher! Now this does not make sense, since Obama and this co-horts have previously said that even if they allow drilling immediately it will take years for oil production!!! Isnt this a contradiction???

    Pleaase, the Obama admin is not doling out permits in the first place, period! 

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    • Vicki April 7, 2011 at 3:46 pm

      You didn’t really expect logical thinking from liberals did you?

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    • pypypypy April 7, 2011 at 4:07 pm

      No, not really. Logic does not exist in their vocabulary, just like the words accountable, responsible, bankrupt etc. They must have their very own Limited Special Edition of dictionary than the ones we sensible folks use

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    • onewildman April 8, 2011 at 9:39 am

      When a person tell lies all the time it’s hard to remember the right lie.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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  22. Bobinms April 7, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Vicki – That’s true but I haven’t heard conservatives arguing for national gas either.  I’ve heard T. Boone Pickens promote natural gas a few years ago but don’t know if he a liberal or conservative.
    Again, what’s wrong with my logic??
     

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    • TRUTHTELLER April 7, 2011 at 5:31 pm

      Bobinms,

      T. Boon Pickens is a major oil and gas baron.  He will go along with any politician, no matter what party, that will aid and abet his making money. 

      He is friendly with Obummer because he wants exclusive right-of-way rights, for his big wind farm project.  He needs a miles long easement across hundreds of private ranches and other properties to run his main feeder lines from his wind farm to the power grid. This can be accomplished through the use of Federal emminent domain laws which he want’s Obummer to use.

      His goal is to control access to the power grid so that any competing wind farm, gas line installers, oil pipeline firms and such, will have to pay hefty usage fees to ol T.Boon, before they can use his right-of-way to ship their products.

      I am also sure, that a hefty campaign contribution to Obummer’s reelection campaign will ensure large subsidies and tax credits for ol T.Boon’s. wind and gas projects.

      T.Boon Pickens is just another green promoter, looking to make millions, same as GE. 

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  23. JDZ April 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    The interview this morning when the person in the audience asked President Obama about gas prices was somewhat telling.  Instead of the President giving the guy some idea about what he is going to do or not do about gas prices, he got in the guy’s face and suggested that he should trade in his SUV for an electric/hybrid vehicle.  The arrogance of our President just makes my blood boil.  Obama is so out of touch with most Americans, and these kinds of comments just highlights that fact. He just doesn’t get it, does he?  He doesn’t understand this country outside of his narrow world surrounded with his liberal academic cronies and their urban mentality.

    We have so many Americans that need trucks, SUVs, and mini-Vans for real reasons and do not have the money to trade them in for some form of equivalent hybrid if one could be found.  Doesn’t he understand how many people are unemployed and losing their savings as they try to cope and hope for a job and for the economy to turn around? 

    He is so arrogant and self-centered and it comes out when he isn’t answering a prepared question.  I understand that the AP has taken that Q and A off of their network to minimize exposure.

    Obama has to be ONE and DONE!!

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  24. jenersea April 7, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    As much as I  hate to say it, you can’t really blame all this on Obozo.  For the past 40 years we have been fed the same **** about an energy policy to keep gas prices low.  No administration has done anything about it.  They just wait until the prices go down and people will stop bitching about it. They will tell you all about wind, solar, battery power, the same thing they said 40 years ago would be here now.  Well 40 years later, it is not here.  We are gonna have to go into the streets for any real changes.  They do nothing about the gouging of the prices for oil, it is all just a plot to ruin this country and force us into one world government.  Demand from your representatives that they do something this time or it will all just repeat itself for another time.

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    • onewildman April 8, 2011 at 9:44 am

      Jenersea, You should be blaming liberals they have block every attempt to open oilfields off the East coast since Jimmy. They want to destroy this nation and replace it with socialist government and that will ensure that people will live under draconian ruler. we will no longer have a say in government, not that we have much now. The fact we will have elections like North Korea only one person to vote fore.
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! !

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