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Is Rand Paul the anti-Rubio choice for 2016?

By McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Sens. Marco Rubio's and Rand Paul's delivery of back-to-back rebuttals of President Barack Obama's speech to Congress -- Rubio as the Republican response, Paul as the tea party rejoinder -- raises some tantalizing questions:

With Rubio being stamped as the early favorite in the 2016 Republican White House race, is Paul emerging as a leading alternative among tea party faithful and other hard-line conservative activists?

If so, does he risk further fracturing a Republican Party that's trying to move toward the center and soften its rough edges in the wake of Obama's decisive re-election three months ago?

Paul, who joined Congress at the same time as Rubio in January 2011, acknowledged Wednesday that he is weighing a presidential run.

"I'm thinking about it, but I haven't made my mind up and won't until 2014," Paul said in an interview. "I'm mostly concerned with trying to do my job as a United States senator from Kentucky, and making sure I'm paying attention to problems in Kentucky and to the national problems we can deal with. Being part of the national debate and doing my job as a Kentucky senator sort of overlap."

While some analysts contrasted Paul's hard-edged remarks Tuesday night -- he rejected bipartisanship and urged voters to "send them home" if lawmakers don't drastically cut federal spending -- with Rubio's more nuanced comments, the junior senator from Kentucky downplayed a potential competition with the charismatic Cuban-American from Florida.

"I see our responses last night as complimentary and not necessarily (indicative of) any kind of rivalry," Paul said. "I don't think it's my job to characterize other senators or their voting patterns. I've got enough work trying to set an agenda for the direction I think the country needs to take. That's more important than any differences or similarities with any other senator."

A poll released last week by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm in Raleigh, N.C., placed Rubio in the lead for 2016 among Republicans at 22 percent.

He was followed by Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the 2012 vice presidential nominee; former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush; New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. Paul placed sixth with 10 percent support among those surveyed.

Such polls, though, have little concrete meaning at this stage: Four years ago, former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania had single-digit support, yet he was the next to last man standing in the hard-fought 2012 Republican primary contest won by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Whether Paul runs for president, many view him as the natural successor to former Sen. Jim DeMint, the South Carolina Republican who reveled in his nickname, Senator Tea Party, and became a hero among conservative activists nationally for his unyielding opposition to all manner of federal spending.

DeMint, who retired last year, endorsed Rubio and Paul in their 2010 Senate campaigns. He contributed millions of dollars to them and other conservative candidates who challenged Republican establishment choices in contentious primaries that highlighted the party's internal splits.

But while Paul remains an unapologetic tea party booster, leading the movement's charge within Congress could prove as much a hindrance as a help to his political ambitions.

The 2012 election exit poll by the major TV networks put tea party support among all voters at 21 percent -- about half the 41 percent level it reached in the same exit survey for the 2010 congressional elections that swept Republicans back into control of the House of Representatives and cut Democrats' margin in the Senate.

In another sign that the group's clout may be waning, the main TV networks didn't broadcast Paul's "tea party response" to Obama's State of the Union address late Tuesday, in contrast with their high-profile coverage of its first such rebuttal of Obama by Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota two years ago.

Sal Russo, a Sacramento, Calif., Republican consultant and prominent tea party strategist, said Wednesday that the movement's apparent decline is deceiving.

"Thanks to a lot of attacks on it, the tea party label is definitely not as powerful today, but what makes the movement strong is not the label, but its issues," Russo said. "Seventy percent of Americans think we need to address excessive spending and unsustainable debt, and that we need more opportunity for people to realize the American dream. That's what the tea party stands for."

Joe Dugan, a Myrtle Beach, S.C., retiree who heads the South Carolina tea party coalition, said the group remains a potent political force, noting that 440 leaders from the Carolinas, Florida, Virginia and other states attended the "State of the Union" tea party convention he helped host last month in his beach resort town.

Dugan holds Paul in great regard.

"One of things that irks me no end is that our politicians are afraid to talk honestly about what they believe," Dugan said. "Sen. Paul is certainly not like that."

Yet Dugan doesn't see Paul as the second coming of DeMint.

"Sen. DeMint was unique and in a different era," Dugan said. "I think there is no one senator now who is going to be singled out as the tea party leader. There is more of board of directors, if you will. It's conceivable that Sen. Paul might be chosen as chairman of the board, but other people come to mind as well, such as (Sens.) Ted Cruz (of Texas), Tim Scott (of South Carolina) and Mike Lee (of Utah)."

In a telling postscript, Dugan added: "I hesitate to say 'Marco Rubio,' because some of his positions are not exactly in sync, particularly on immigration."

Yet, Rubio and Paul embraced the need for immigration reform in their speeches Tuesday night, another signal by Republicans that they must do more to woo Latino voters.

Paul responded cautiously when asked whether he wants to inherit the tea party mantle from DeMint.

"I like to associate myself with the tea party, but it is a grass-roots, ground-up organization," Paul said. "If I'm asked to provide a label for myself, I usually choose the label 'constitutional conservative.'"

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  1. jenerseaComment by jenersea
    February 15, 2013 @ 8:43 am

    Lets not rush out and nominate all these GOPers just yet. Lets see what they do to counteract Obozo’s agendas first. They are all talking big, but lets see what their voting records show in a couple of months. GOP is being hopelessly outclassed by the Obozo team. Have been trailing for years. Watch the amnesty cave in by GOP coming soon and see who is or isn’t onboard with that. Boehner is still Head Ringmaster with the Circus and you don’t really expect to see him rally the troops against anything, do you? Lets see what happens when the fiscal showdown comes up again. GOP has control of the purse strings and could simply shut down the funding on these socialist programs. Will they?

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    • hagar2Comment by hagar2
      February 15, 2013 @ 9:34 am

      I agree its too early to jump on anyones bandwagon but I will say Rand more closely represents the views of myself and my friends. If the republican party believes moving to the center like they believed in 2012 with Romney then they will fail once again. The Tea Party helped elect BOTH of these guys The repubs jumped on the Rubio wagon in the hopes of gaining Hispanic support didn’t do much good in 2012 Rand on the other hand is no nonsense, not his dad, and would generate tremendous enthusiasm

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      February 15, 2013 @ 11:06 am

      jenersea, “Watch the amnesty cave in by GOP and see who is or isn’t onboard with that.”

      Too my dismay, I heard Rand Paul flirt with immigration issue in terms that means more immigrants. “If they want to come here to work hard….” Paul. Rand is so clear and straight forward in issues that politico hacks shy away from, and then he gets all fuzzy here.

      I went to Disney Land once. It was not my RIGHT to go there, it was a privilege that I had to pay for, I had to obey the rules, and eventually leave. Immigration to the US is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT. But I kind of get the idea that this is not the case.

      The Cheeeap Labor Cabal, are constantly scanning the Globe for low wage type people and countries. The Cabal’s Nationality? Do they belong to a Nation or do they just reside someplace? We have massive unemployment, stunning underemployment and yet the hue and cry for more and more cheap labor immigrants. Something is drastically wrong.

      I hope that Senator Rand Paul understands this, and was just in a media spotlight glare which resulted in a fumble of words. We need someone who thinks about what is best for Americans, FIRST.

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    • lokiswifeComment by lokiswife
      February 15, 2013 @ 1:08 pm

      By 2016, this country will be in deep, deep trouble. We will need a leader who can lead with common sense and responsibility to save what shreds are left. Eight years of Obama will make even hard core liberals realize that his ideas and agenda were not in the best interest of the country and it will take work and years to rebuild it. Even now, Jerry Brown and Jon Stewart are looking at Obama’s legacy with open eyes and asking serious questions. Rand Paul would be an excellent candidate if we have anything left in 2016…

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    • Kona BonnComment by donmann1
      February 15, 2013 @ 1:17 pm

      I live in Southern California, which is where the majority of illegal aliens live with their anchor babies. I can NOT in good conscious support Mr. Paul, Marco Rubio or any GOP candidate that is willing to commit treason by caving in on amnesty. How can one of them call themselves Americans by supporting amnesty to 10′s of millions of 3rd world invaders, and the adding of Trillions of dollars to the U.S. debt. I will NOT support them!

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    • BobinmsComment by Bobinms
      February 15, 2013 @ 7:23 pm

      I’m confident that with Senator Rubio as the Republican nominee that he will get at least 93% of the Cuban Hispanic vote.

      As for Paul as the Tea Party spokesman, I wasn’t aware that the Tea Party supported Amnesty.

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  2. highsiderComment by highsider
    February 15, 2013 @ 10:05 am

    Why is McClatchy Washington Bureau in such a hurry to push a run off between two fourth tier possibles? Give us a chance to recover from the last fiasco you helped to cause.

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    • nax777Comment by nax777
      February 15, 2013 @ 5:55 pm

      “hard-line conservative activists”, where? “move toward the center and soften its rough edges”, center of what? They are two peas in a pod, three counting McClatchy.
      Libs relentlessly use anything and everything to pull people to the left. Pub voters are just as clueless as Dem voters. So get rid of your “rough edges” and go left, stupid will stand by you. Hey, I use to be with stupid, not judging just keeping it real.
      http://www.saynotoamnesty.com

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  3. fabianComment by fabian
    February 15, 2013 @ 10:09 am

    Both addresses had the same problem; they follow Obama’s dialectic by criticizing it. The Republican party needs to define it’s own agenda. For the moment it’s only an anti Obama party. This will not suffice.

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    • hagar2Comment by hagar2
      February 15, 2013 @ 10:46 am

      Well in good but here the response was to the article

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  4. LenaComment by Lena
    February 15, 2013 @ 10:10 am

    First, it’s too early for 2016 and I’m not totally convinced the country will make it till then with its present form of government and elections.

    Second, there are things I like about each of them and things I don’t like about each of them. We’ll see.

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    • hagar2Comment by hagar2
      February 15, 2013 @ 10:48 am

      well that brings up a whole different set of question some off the top of my head will we still or ever be a constitutional republic by 2016: Will voting matter or is the whole election system totally corrupt?

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  5. pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
    February 15, 2013 @ 11:10 am

    Rand Paul has libertarian leanings which is for open borders. Marco Rubio said that he would have immigrated here illegally if necessary. Neither of them are good on immigration.

    Maybe I am biased being from Texas, but I encourage everyone to keep an eye on Ted Cruz. He was one of only 3 senators that voted against the Kerry nomination. We need someone willing to stand on principle, even when it isn’t popular with the Old Boy’s Club that is Washington, D.C.

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    • arclightComment by arclight
      February 15, 2013 @ 12:46 pm

      Actually, the Old Boys Club is more of a Bush/Rove thing, which hasn’t been doing very well at all. We gotta unglue ourselves from these folks. They are losing all the races they think they have in the bag. Rove is history. Time to stop believing this money sucker and move on…

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    • pistol packing mamaComment by txgoatlady
      February 15, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

      I’m tired of them all. They say whatever it takes at election time then go back to the same old compromising, overspending behavior. Both parties do it. Nobody in Washington has any real principles.

      Rove needs to quietly retire and get out of our way.

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    • BobinmsComment by Bobinms
      February 15, 2013 @ 7:29 pm

      WOW! Txgoatlady and her responders have nailed it. Wish I could give ya’ll a “10″. Cruz is the man.

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  6. ProfComment by Prof
    February 15, 2013 @ 12:30 pm

    From the seventh paragraph: “I see our responses last night as complimentary and not necessarily (indicative of) any kind of rivalry,” Paul said.
    Actually, I believe he said they were “complementary.” They certainly weren’t very complimentary of Obama’s speech.

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  7. arclightComment by arclight
    February 15, 2013 @ 12:37 pm

    Wait a minute! Who died and made Rubio “queen for a day?” The most consistent conservative out there is Rand Paul. Rubio is so far a showboater and he is presuming A LOT real early on. I’d be very careful going gaga over him till he digs in and proves where he is coming from. 2016 might as well be 3016, no one is a front runner! 2014 comes first and conservatives better not screw it up. One way to make progress instead of standing still, would be to believe in the Tea Party and dump Rove and his money sucking group. WE must support the Tea Party to get the changes we need in 2014. Period.

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    • ClarkCComment by ClarkC
      February 15, 2013 @ 1:29 pm

      No, Rand Paul is not the most consistent conservative out there. There are other who are just as conservative but who are not open-borders fanatics, like Jim DeMint and Ted Cruz.

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  8. tfanta05Comment by tfanta05
    February 15, 2013 @ 12:51 pm

    We need to stop the flow of democrats coming over our border by the millions. When will we have had enough?
    There are several things we can do. One of them is the mid-term election in 2014. Only vote for candidate’s that will stand up for our constitution and hold them accountable.
    We are losing our rights more and more everyday under this socialist president. I fear for my children and grandchildren.
    The terrible thing I see is people voting for Obama’s views because of what they can receive from the government. Not what is good for the country or for themselves and their families in the long run. We need to educate these people somehow.
    Start as parents in our schools. Our children are being brainwashed every day by liberal teachers that teach our children their personal opinions. This agenda is not by accident. Politicians found out long ago they can achieve a future voting block by getting into the administrations of our school systems. They use this same principle on illegal immigrants. These illegals know that the democrat party is what is best for them and their families. They know they have to have have democrats in power to stay here. And the democrat party knows this too. And herein lies their voting power.
    This has been methodically done since the 1970′s by liberal administrators that have infested our school systems.
    We as parents through PTA meetings, have a right to see what our children are being taught. Other than the required criteria IE: Math, Science, Geography, Art, Music etc: teachers have no legal right to teach our children anything we do not want them subject to.
    Take the time and go to your child’s school. Find out what they are being taught. Put a stop to what you do not want your child to learn from their teacher or be subject to that is against you beliefs, way of life, and especially your political views. It will take a little time, and it’s a START!

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    • scarletroseComment by scarletrose
      February 16, 2013 @ 1:03 pm

      Good Plan, and get it in place – but right now, stuff is collapsing on us too fast to wait for Long Range Plans, and squabbling over them. Right now, if we don’t SUBMIT to the LORD and TODAY – major Harbingers from Israel’s Great Diaspora are being PATTERNED PERFECTLY by the Dim party WITH NO PROTEST BY GOP POLITICIANS. And the people GRUMBLE and go back to their own little world.
      Like THAT, there will SOON AND IMMINENTLY be no United States of America to change the course FOR. We are still getting warning shots across the bow, but NOTHING stands between of and utter annihilation – LEAST OF ALL A NATION OF BELIEVERS ON THEIR FACES REPENTING AS DANIEL AND JEHOSHAPHAT, as in JOEL 2, and 2 Chronicles 7:14 – SEEKING GOD in a Psalm 91 Relationship.

      Someone has to get serious TODAY! Not “Down the Road” – NOT “Next Election”.

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  9. tncdelComment by tncdel
    February 15, 2013 @ 1:00 pm

    I just messaged Rand Paul as follows:

    I’m on your mailing list and have been a strong supporter, but was greatly disappointed to learn that you had seemingly flip-flopped from opposing amnesty, to supporting it with conditions.

    Haven’t we learned anything from Reagan’s blunder?

    Anyone with an IQ above that of a turnip should be able to realize that amnesty would only serve to attract millions more job-stealing illegals here.

    The ONLY way to stop the illegal alien invasion: MAKE THINGS AS TOUGH AS POSSIBLE on the illegals, so they will self-deport back to Mexico, etc. at their own expense because they get to hate it here so much. We certainly can’t afford to deport over 20 million illegals. Plus most would only come right back if we tried.

    I hope you will return to opposing amnesty even stronger than before. The reality is that over 60% of the voters, including some Democrats, are OPPOSED to amnesty. So if you take a strong stance against it sure you will alienate over 80% of the Hispanics who are TRAITORS to America, but so what? They deserve to be disregarded. If you serve America and the majority who does NOT want to see our border eroded and eventually dissolved, as the globalists bent on destroying U.S. sovereignty want to see happen, then PLEASE uphold your duty to our nation and its loyal majority.

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    • rzraickComment by rzraick
      February 15, 2013 @ 8:47 pm

      Had the government done its job over the last two decades or so, we wouldn’t have this problem.

      Now they are trying to fix a propblem which they have caused.

      I think anyone who entered this country illegally should be deported and their offsprings should go with them.

      The offsprings would never had existed if the government had done its job in the first place.

      Only leagal immigrants who go through the process and become real American citizens will help America in any way.

      This may sound cruel and nasty to some, but all the hardships of all the illegal immigrants are a direct result of government failure.

      Amnesty not matter how you dress it up or justify it will be just a continuation of the failure of government.

      No other country in the world is so lax on immigration policy.

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  10. Comment by Anonymous
    February 15, 2013 @ 1:04 pm

    ’16 is too far away to be choosing candidates. Haven’t the R’s learned anything from the last election? You want to shoot each other this soon? I must say, they’re both good men, but, Wait! there’s an election next year & if the R’s slip further, whatever your inclination might be: Tp’er,conserv.or GOP won’t matter a whit, because the R’s will be a pesky fly in the ointment. They’ve got to come up Big next year. BTW, many people are tired of hearing Paul everyday already. Find winners for’14 first.

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    • alimarchComment by alimarch
      February 15, 2013 @ 2:02 pm

      The Dems already have their candidate. Hillary. And they’re working on the campaign right now. The Dems are in it to win it already. Are you an anonymous ‘troll’ suggesting ‘this’ and ‘that’ potential change or failure or imperfection regarding considering our strong Republican candidates now? Commitment to the country shouldn’t be ‘fickle’. It should be ‘focused’. Conservative Americans should be very ‘focused’ on this process beginning yesterday!

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  11. alimarchComment by alimarch
    February 15, 2013 @ 1:54 pm

    Neither Rubio or Rand are ‘open-borders’. They’re realists with restrictions on immigration. But Rand is the only one who actually adheres to the Constitution, which is the law of the land. Shouldn’t someone be doing that? Ron Paul and Rand Paul are the only politicians besides Libertarian Gary Johnson and those in the Constitutionalist party who do!

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    • ClarkCComment by ClarkC
      February 15, 2013 @ 2:10 pm

      Right, Rand Paul is not open borders. He wants to restrict our immigration to “those who want to come here and work hard.” Wow, that narrows it down to a few hundred million people who won’t mind coming here and swamping our whole country with their numbers.

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    • scarletroseComment by scarletrose
      February 16, 2013 @ 1:12 pm

      Both of them KNOW, when you OPEN THE CONVERSATION with DIMS, knowing you automatically LOST 3/4 of the Conservatives, that it will BE McCAIN SHAMNESTY and NOTHING LESS, Once enacted. They know that – you know that – WE KNOW THAT. So let me tell you what to do with Paul Ryan, and Ron AND Rand Paul and Marco Rubio and their obsession with McCain and Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy, ET AL.

      Way thing are going, there will BE NO ELECTION in 2014 or in 2016.

      And when Forts are being filled up, SOME FOLKS think they will go in the Conservative forts and they will find themselves IF EVER INSIDE, being used for JUGGERNAUT FODDER over the wall back outside on top of their confederates they’ve been busy ENABLING with DIM MARXIST AGENDAS OF DESTRUCTION.

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  12. bhirshComment by bhirsh
    February 15, 2013 @ 4:16 pm

    Rand Paul is far closer to the constitutional values of the true soul of this country, values of which the population has become ignorant through government-controlled curricula in our quasi-federalized education system. This has been going on for the larger part of a century, when FDR re-made the national psyche with the admittedly reluctant compliance of the SCOTUS. Since, the SCOTUS’s reluctance has disappeared as it embraced stare decisis and left the anti-contstitutional decisions upon which the house of cards is built remain in place; worse, it has written even more egregious ones.

    This leftward lurch has only been moderated by Republicans during part of that transformation, it has not been countered. Even the magnificent RWR was a “reformed” Democrat, and as effective as his tenure was, he merely tapped the brakes for eight years. Before and after, the left has been running rampant.

    The GOP seems immovably sold on the proposition that this leftward impetus is invincible, and seems resigned to cutting losses instead of making gains.

    The fact is this: We can’t continue the contemporary modus and ever hope to regain the full measure of liberty and prosperity that is this people’s birthright. The GOP must find a way to overcome the government/media-led propaganda flood and educate the country in First Principles again. It should begin by doing that within its own formal establishment.

    Failing that, this whole song and dance is an exercise in futility.

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    • scarletroseComment by scarletrose
      February 16, 2013 @ 1:19 pm

      NOT! RAND! PAUL! EVER! NO MORE RINOS!
      NO PACIFISTS! NO TAX HIKERS EVEN” SO WE CAN LET THE DIMS TAKE THE BLAME FOR IT!” NO!

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  13. BillzillaComment by Billzilla
    February 15, 2013 @ 5:25 pm

    “In another sign that the group’s clout may be waning, the main TV networks didn’t broadcast Paul’s “tea party response” to Obama’s State of the Union address late Tuesday, in contrast with their high-profile coverage of its first such rebuttal of Obama by Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota two years ago.”

    The only thing it’s sign of is: the media is doing it’s best to derail the Tea Party. The media has far, far, too much influence on who gets noticed, and why. If a consevative mispeaks; he or she is immediately called upon to apologize and step aside for their anti-women, gay, black, anti-whatever bigoted opinions. If a liberal makes a similar statement; they simply mispoke and didn’t mean what they said. Why, a liberal/progressive can even abandon and allow to drown, a young campaign volunteer in their car, and be made the “Lion of the Senate”!

    Hypocrites!

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  14. scarletroseComment by scarletrose
    February 16, 2013 @ 10:30 am

    HEY! Whose side are you ON!

    Paul Rand and Marco Rubio are TWO OF A KIND..

    The KIND being JOHN McCAIN BEST FRIEND/ENABLER of DIM MARXISTS and Mexico AZTLAN.
    AND JEB Bush, too!

    Rand Paul has not distanced himself from his father except SHOWBOATING – same as when Marco Rubio tries to warm up the crowd by PRAISING TED CRUZ!

    You may succeed in splitting the VOTE but the Conservatives won’t lose anything but RINOS when part of the GOP votes for Rand Paul OR Marco Rubio, either one!

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  15. deltanickComment by deltanick
    February 16, 2013 @ 10:49 am

    I am dismayed by how much the “Neo-Conservative” viewpoint has invaded the Republican Party and what passes for “Conservatism.” This is the real reason why the Republican Party is doomed for failure with its current makeup.

    So, how do I define Neo-Conservatism? So far, I’ve come up with a 2-point test:

    1. “Big Government Conservatism”: This is an oxymoron if I ever heard one. Conservatism is about Limited Government. There is no such thing as “Big Government Conservatism,” a giveaway that someone’s really a Neo-Con.

    2. 24-7-365 War: I’ve never seen a piece of land outside the US that people like John McCain don’t want occupied by US troops. Yes, this is hyperbole, but it also betrays that one is a Neo-Con. McCain is also a perfect example why we need term limits. He has been in Congress way too long and should retire yesterday. Lindsay Graham is another “Neo-Con.”

    War is a last resort. I am not a pacifist. Quite the contrary, I am retired military. There are times that we need to go to war. But we also need national support, and support with our citizens tends to dwindle once we exceed 3-4 years in the same place. If we get bogged down, we shouldn’t be there. We should fight differently, more efficiently. Go in, accomplish the mission, get out. When we stay someplace too long, we become sitting duck targets for the enemy: snipers, IEDs, and bad press, even if we’re saints. This is what Donald Rumsfeld did for the US military: he made us sitting ducks! I don’t doubt his patriotism, but he never understood ground combat, and the (Army and Marine) generals tried to advise him of this. Didn’t we learn this from Vietnam? Neo-Cons tend to get us bogged down, and don’t realize the stupidity in doing so. They want us to be the world’s policeman. This is NOT conservatism!

    BTW, I’ve NEVER voted for a Democrat in my life (I’m 63), and I’ve never missed an election. And yes, I voted for Mitt Romney, who I would term a Neo-Con, as both Bushes are. But we need a true, “Paleo-Conservative” conservatives, those who can extol the virtues of limited government, and war as a last resort, when results can be reaped in an efficient manner. Why were we so successful in Desert Storm? Because we went in, accomplished the mission, and go out. We did it quickly and efficiently.

    So, listen carefully to those who reflect true conservative values. No more Neo-Cons. Let’s support Constitutional Conservatives who stand for limited government, and don’t get us bogged down in combat. We need winners, not go-along-to-get-along spineless John Boehners!

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  16. recce1Comment by recce1
    February 16, 2013 @ 4:21 pm

    How about considering a Marco Rubio/Rand Paul or a Rand Paul/Marco Rubio ticket? Both are young and after one serves 2 terms the other could do so. Of course there’re other conservatives out there too. Bobby Jindal is one. It’s too band we passed up JC Watts and Alan Keyes.

    As many here know, neither Paul or Rubio is perfect. Paul has certain Libertarian leanings many find troubling such as allegedly not approving of any federal spending. No one actually holding such a position should serve in any capacity in the US government. But with those who believe what the Constitution says about enumerated powers it’s a different matter even though the federal government’s ignoring of such over a 150 years will be hard to clean up. I believe that Paul’s position has been misquoted.

    I realize many have problems with Rubio’s stance on immigration. However, kicking 20 million people out of the US will never happen. So we must come up with a viable, but tough, solution. Closing our borders to illegals is of course the first step and the second is deporting non-citizen immigrants, including legal ones, who commit crimes. Third is making sure that only citizens receive benefits beyond provable emergency one and that only citizens vote. Rubio has stated we need legal immigration and as a sovereign country we have the absolute right to decide how many, from where, and of what qualifications. He spoke of controlling the border with provable results. He even spoke about needing more immigrants with advanced college degrees in hard sciences, not liberal eggheads with PhDs in Multi-Coed Holding Hands Underwater Basket Weaving or the like (my interpretation).

    By the way, I’d like to see a genuine Christian constitutional conservative Hispanic black woman on a ticket. Anybody willing to second that? For those of you who want the perfect candidate, I doubt you’d accept Jesus Christ if he ran.

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  17. juicyfruit56Comment by juicyfruit56
    February 16, 2013 @ 6:05 pm

    Rubio will be another McCain and Romney. Rand Paul on the other hand will be the realist. The Republicans are standing over the trench’s and looking down while the Democrats are in the Trench’s looking up. If the Republicans do not come into the 21st century soon they are done. The Democrats will do anything and everything they can to be elected. The Republicans must do the same. We are living right now with proof the people of this country will vote for the dirtest of the politicians. They voted for Obama twice. Had Romney done his job and not listened to people like Karl Rove, a hand of the Democrat party, he may have well been elected. The low information voter needed to hear that Obama is a Communist, not socialist, but communist who want to dictate our every move. In the past 237 years no other president has felt the need to establish gun control. Why has this president? First our guns, then our money. It will be registration, confiscation, elimination. That is how countries filled with tyranny work.

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    • recce1Comment by recce1
      February 16, 2013 @ 8:38 pm

      juicyfruit56, why would Republicans adopt the tactics of the Democrats? Please remember the liberal/progressives are the old Mayor Daley Chicago Mob Democrat Party Political Machine. Why should Republicans or perhaps a new Tea Party resort to lying, cheating, stealing, intimidation, and perhaps even murder to win elections?

      If that’s what it takes then the USA is no longer worth defending or even helping continuing. Either conservative constitutionalists remain true to their principles or the Republic is lost.

      So I hope you were referring to learning the new tactics of honest ward politics and the use of social media.

      By the way, other presidents have tried to broach the subject of gun control, but none have been so brazen as Mr. (intentional) Obama. Socialism, thru the use of fascism, has been on the march since Pres. Wilson. In order to achieve it the central government must force people to rely on it for protection. Creating crisis after crisis is one way of achieving that end. The Saul Alinsky and Cloward-Piven plans are working.

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  18. rj2013Comment by rj2013
    February 15, 2013 @ 10:47 am

    If republicans going to sell themselves to Mexico I do not want to be a part of it, it is a slap in every America face to bow down to Mexico. Marco Rubio is Mexico. This is America politics and we should keep it America. We should do our campaigning in English only. I am not ready to turn my back on America as Rubio did to Mexico. I am not ready to pledge allegiance to Mexico government as Rubio did against Mexico. Mexico government had accepted the children born in the United States to Mexican parents as Mexico citizens, in spite of what American politicians do to make them American citizen. Mexico government had made a way for them. I am proud to speak, read, and write English and to be an American citizen. In August of 2006, some Mexican American citizens and some Mexico citizen’s protesters removed the United States Flag that hangs over the United States Post Office in Maywood, California and replace it with the Mexican flag. Are we going to replace our English language to Spanish? Will we let our nation be taken away from us without firing a shot? They want possession of this government. This is not about immigration; this is about regaining territory they lost, stolen, gave or whatever, but one thing for sure, they want it back. If they can’t get it by force, they will get it by votes.

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  19. deafyComment by deafy
    February 15, 2013 @ 12:26 pm

    I’m tired of this … this “report” is what allowed that usurper to have caused this mess … and we have not learned anything!

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  20. ClarkCComment by ClarkC
    February 15, 2013 @ 1:10 pm

    Rand Paul is as much of an open-borders fanatic as Rubio. Neither is acceptable to those who want to prevent the destruction of their country.

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  21. alimarchComment by alimarch
    February 15, 2013 @ 2:44 pm

    rj2013 – Marco Rubio is a Cuban-American. Respectfully, we really have to be better informed when discussing these issues, don’t you think? And yes, there are many fears regarding retaining the sovereignty of America in the face of many threats. However, the only way to do that is to return the country to adherence to Constitutional law. The law itself has gone under decades of changes and manipulations, so that’s the biggest issue we have. But all our issues are subordinate to it. Choose your battles. Start with the big one – we’re a Constitutional Republic. We need to start acting like one by only putting forth candidates who are strict Constitutionalists and that say what they mean – per law – do and do what they say – per law. That’s very clear. A child can understand it.

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  22. alimarchComment by alimarch
    February 15, 2013 @ 3:26 pm

    Immigration with restrictions is no more an ‘open borders’ stance than Paul and Rubio could be designated ‘fanatics’. The destruction of the country is not having a solution to immigration that allows for legal immigration in the face of many who will be forced to meet that requirement after they have already spent time here. If you’re looking for perfection in the imperfect position we’re in, stop. If you’re looking for a solution to the problem that’s been allowed to happen over many decades and for which administrations of both parties are culpable, that’s being engaged in bringing about a long needed resolution.

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  23. gm1919Comment by gm1919
    February 15, 2013 @ 3:47 pm

    Boehner is a rino. Just used the tea party to his advantage. Unless the constitutional conservatives(of which there are few) win more elections and take over leadership positions in the future we will not have a constituion left. Perhaps a Rubio/Paul ticket would not be bad. I believe you would get tea partiers and evangelicals to come out huge.

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  24. Kona BonnComment by donmann1
    February 15, 2013 @ 4:26 pm

    Though Marco Rubio is of Cuban heritage, he is a la raza open borders advocate just like his mentors Mel Martinez, Carlos Gutierrez, Jeb Bush, Luis Gutierrez, Menendez and others that want amnesty and do not want to make English the nations official language.. You mentioned sovereignty of the country. How is allowing 10′s of millions of breeding illegal aliens contributing to the nations sovereignty? It doesn’t, and therefore any of them that imply, suggest of advocate giving amnesty other than enforcing the laws and ending birthright citizenship, are NOT what I would consider admirable Americans at all..

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  25. gm1919Comment by gm1919
    February 15, 2013 @ 3:55 pm

    Unless we get rid of all government agencies which belong at the State level then the constituion will fail. The constitution was strongest when education and a multitude of other federal dept’s were under state control as the constituion states. Democrats and republicans have delivered pork to their states for years and the states have prostituted themselves to the government. disgraceful. How about we send the right people to Washington with orders to give the States they rightfully should have. I believe the Bible. The end of our existence will come and if you look at recent events it’s not far away. Human immorality is the greatest driver of American decline.

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  26. scarletroseComment by scarletrose
    February 16, 2013 @ 10:35 am

    NO WAY ON THIS GREEN EARTH. EITHER would be enough to send Bible thumpers and Constitution supporters to go to some alternative. Rand Paul/Rubio would be like picking pain colors on a DIM WALL.

    You are a DIM, choosing between DIM personalities.

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  27. Kona BonnComment by donmann1
    February 15, 2013 @ 5:13 pm

    If they are allowed to pass amnesty, the Republic is done.. Just look to California for a prime example of where we are headed. I live here and I see it everyday.. Looking more like Mexico everyday along with everything that you can imagine and then some.. NO Joke!

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  28. ClarkCComment by ClarkC
    February 15, 2013 @ 7:39 pm

    My solution is to use e-Verify at all places of employment and watch the illegals go home on their own. Then the unemployed and underemployed Americans have to be hired instead of the illegal aliens. No amnesty offered, none needed. What is the problem with that?

    Your sentence makes no sense: ” The destruction of the country is not having a solution to immigration that allows for legal immigration in the face of many who will be forced to meet that requirement after they have already spent time here.” So, my solution to use e-Verify nationwide would destroy the country? Care to explain?

    NOTE: This was a reply to alimarch. The software on this site is getting so bad that it is almost impossible to do a proper reply any more.

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  29. scarletroseComment by scarletrose
    February 16, 2013 @ 10:40 am

    AMEN! America won’t go any different path with ANY of those clowns in Prominence and meanwhile the HARBINGERS are mounting higher and higher and higher.

    I am shocked that ONLY HARBINGERS are still manifesting, as dense as this nation’s “CONSERVATIVES” are being.

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