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The fiscal cliff 'deal': They're kidding, right?

By GOPUSA Staff

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review - Once again, Republicans have mistaken capitulation for "compromise." Those who voted for the "deal" to avert the "fiscal cliff" of the Washington magicians' making -- $1 in tax cuts for every $41 in tax increases -- should be run out of Washington on a rail.

And if folks like Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., honestly believe "this legislation is the best we could do for taxpayers and job seekers," well, he'd better have that hole in his head treated and stat.

Seventy-seven percent of all American households will pay higher taxes under this "deal" to "save" the middle class from the "evil rich"; more than 80 percent of households with incomes of $50,000 or higher will, too.

The top personal income-tax rate goes from 35 percent to 41 percent (when deduction "reform" is included). The death tax goes from 35 percent to 40 percent. The capital gains tax rises from 15 percent to 23.8 percent (as does the tax on dividends).

And for small business, the backbone of the American economy, the shaft is particularly large, painful and splintery. As The Wall Street Journal calculates it, "the real marginal tax rate on a dollar of investment income from bank savings or money-market accounts will be about 46 percent" (and more like 55 percent or higher when state taxes are figured in).

When combined with the spending plans of the "progressive" lunatics now winning the day in Washington -- and we've not even mentioned the lunacy of the deal's multibillion-dollar sops to the administration's cronies -- the fiscal cliff "deal" will add nearly $4 trillion to the deficit over the next decade.

Real spending cuts and "reform" will come later, Republicans insist.

Idiots that they are, they really believe it.

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  1. kskiddComment by kskidd
    January 2, 2013 @ 2:09 pm

    “The fiscal cliff ‘deal’: They’re kidding, right?” … Well, it it boils down to “we’re screwed” then no, I don’t think they’re kidding.

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    • saveamericaComment by saveamerica
      January 2, 2013 @ 3:07 pm

      I am as angry as the rest of you, but I believe they had no choice and in the end it will prove to be the smart move. If the republicans had stopped this bill, the liberal media would have had a non stop hissy fit and blamed everything on the radical republicans(you know the people that want to live within their means and produce a budget). Obama gets his deal and now owns this dsmal economy and has no one to blame but himself. Wait till the koolaid drinking morons see their paychecks next week and realize its less than last week. So everyone needs to chill and except the fact that this was pure politics and may prove to be a huge mistake for barry and the parasite party.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      January 2, 2013 @ 4:43 pm

      To Saveamerica: I doubt if many of the “Kool-Aid drinking morons” will see a reducton in their paychecks, because MOST of them don’t work or EARN a paycheck, so payroll taxes are of no concern to them. Eventually they will ALL have to pay for Obamacare, though, one way or another–either directly out of pocket to the govt. or in the form of higher prices for everything they buy to cover business’ cost for Obamacare. What the “Kool-Aid Drinking Morons” do NOT understand is that when Obama says he is “taxing only the 2%” (i.e. business and corporations), they are only going to pass those taxes onto their customers, and even if the MORONS don’t have jobs, they will STILL be paying for those taxes in the form of higher prices for food and other necessities.

      I guess it’s no surprise with the dumbed-down education the sheep are getting in public schools nowadays, but it is STILL hard to believe there are so MANY adults who are actually DUMB enough to believe that all you have to do is raise taxes on businesses and corporations and everybody else (“the 98%”) gets a “free” ride.

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    • themarshallComment by themarshall
      January 2, 2013 @ 6:09 pm

      I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
      Thomas Jefferson

      The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
      Thomas Jefferson

      brainyquote.com

      Sometimes you just have to take a hot shower, wash the grime off and start over. Hope it’s not too late.

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    • MadeinAmerica33Comment by MadeinAmerica33
      January 3, 2013 @ 10:31 am

      The House Republicians need to create and passed 3 to 5 bills a day, move them to the Senate and see if Harry Reid puts them up for avote or tables them. If he Tables them ,everone needs to scream loud and hard and ask WHY WHY WHY , and Keep blasting the NEWS MEDia about their coverage of the TAble Job !

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    • EChildComment by EChild
      January 3, 2013 @ 10:06 pm

      No surprise today, but our first paycheck of the year was a good deal less than usual, and if my husband is correct, we will be seeing more than double that less per month. And this was for pay he earned before the end of the year. Truly sad – the only way I can shake the blues since November is to not think about it.

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  2. powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
    January 2, 2013 @ 2:41 pm

    The sense of reality that these clowns have is in and of itself a wonder to behold!

    Remember…if a lie is told enough times, it has to be the truth!

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    • peletierComment by peletier
      January 2, 2013 @ 7:45 pm

      I said it yesterday, and will always say it…

      Obama Fiscal Cliff was the GREATEST POLITICAL FRAUD ON EARHT, that Republicans elected to fight Obama, bougth bait, line and sinker, led by looser Speaker, John Boehner…

      Get the Speaker fired and get a True Man to stand up against Hussein Obama and rescue our Nation befoe it becomes LES MISERABLES!

      IN GOD WE TRUST!

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    • thecitizenComment by thecitizen
      January 3, 2013 @ 10:58 am

      @peletier: Too late now. Damage is already done (again).

      Wanna bet the house will vote to replace ‘Boner’ as Speaker on Jan 20? That’s the way I’d hope but not the way I’d bet.

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  3. sockettuemComment by sockettuem
    January 2, 2013 @ 2:50 pm

    Deal? This was no deal, it was a capitulation to class warfare, class envy and socialism. “We’re screwed” doesn’t even begin to describe it. I am done with the GOP, they get not one thin dime from me ever again. The time has come for a conservative party. Period.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      January 2, 2013 @ 2:56 pm

      @ sockettuem … You know, I never had much faith that a 3rd party is a good idea. I mean, all it can do is split the vote of one party and give victory to the minority party. But, if the Democrats and Republicans are going to solidify into one establishment party, you may be right. With the right kind of leadership, maybe a conservative party could get some real traction right about now.

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    • rosecoatsComment by rosecoats
      January 2, 2013 @ 3:23 pm

      Exactly what choice did Obama leave them? It was either vote for raising taxes, or vote that down, and then taxes will go up for everyone. How blind can some of you complainers be? Get ticked off at Obama and Reid, not Republicans.

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      January 2, 2013 @ 5:07 pm

      kskid, I have LONG believed that a third party was going to be the only answer. I hope to see more and more people embrace that possibility within what is left of my lifetime to make it a reality.
      Although I am more closely allied with the Republican party on most issues, I still lean closer to the middle on EVERY issue. I think that we are over-governed and I think that the far right would have us buried is as many laws that take away liberty as the Libs do if we don’t stop thinking in terms of one party or the other and think about competent and realistic candidates.
      You have to admit that obama is not a realistic candidate and, for the last two elections, there were absolutely ZERO realistic candidates. By realistic, I mean qualified to represent the people as a whole of this nation. Obama isn’t even qualified to represent the rest of the narcissists, for crying out loud!

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      January 2, 2013 @ 5:24 pm

      To KS Kidd: My husband and I feel the same way. We donated money to the RNC all through the last campaign–and feel that for all the good it did, we might as well have thrown the money in the fireplace and set fire to it! No more donations from us, and probably no votes, either. It seems we now have the one Demopublican party, and there is nowhere for a Conservative to go except to a third party. It hardly matters, at this point, if it takes votes away from the GOP, now that they are all one big, conglomerated party. They treat us like the “dotty old aunt kept locked up in the attic”, anyhow, like they’re embarrassed to have the notion of a “Conservative” ANYTHING associated with them, so I guess the GOP doesn’t need or WANT our money OR our votes.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      January 2, 2013 @ 5:41 pm

      Grouchy One, I have to admit, the choice between Obama and McCain was a lot like a choice between a stick in the eye and a kick in the stomach. The election between Obama and Romney wasn’t much better, but it was to a degree. The problem is that Obama ran a cultural battle while Romney ran a political campaign. Romney tried to sell individual responsibility (what ever he tried to sell, the media, the democrats and hollywood ripped him apart like sharks on a whale carcass any way).

      I remember the primaries when Obama ended up running against McCain. It played something like this: We owed our vote to Obama because of the way we treated blacks, and this was our opportunity to prove we weren’t racist. We owed our vote to Hillary Clinton because of the way we treat women and this was our chance to prove we are a nation of decent men, and we owed it to McCain to vote for him because of how we treated Vietnam veterans, and this was a chance to redeem our national soul. I remember thinking that what we really need is a candidate for president who knows American history, our roots, why we came into being as a nation and how and why we need to continue to be and/or return to who we were. What we needed was a candidate who believed he (or she) owed something to America.

      The closest we got in that election was Sarah Palin, whom the liberals sicked hundreds of dirt sniffers and mud slingers trying to find anything they could to destroy her character. The closest we got in the last election was Paul Ryan, I suppose. Any way, we seem to be in the process of proving that a nation that does not remember it’s past has no certain future.

      I never have had much faith in a 3rd party because I remember how Ross Perot handed the election to Bill Clinton, and frankly how Ralph Nader cost Al Gore the election (God bless Ralph Nader for that, but where was he the last time around?) So far, all a 3rd party has done is to give victory to the one of the major two parties that would have lost had the 3rd party candidates stayed out of it.

      But, I do believe times have changed. Lots of people think the Tea Party is down for the count. I think that’s a mistake. I think we’re going to see an swelling up in the Tea Party that lots of folks are just not going to believe (assuming the nation survives long enough for it to matter, say, at least until the next congressional election) and I think it is an error to completely discount Republicans. Some of them make no bones about being conservative, and it has costs them a price, but I also think some elected Republicans are just hanging in there, playing the game as best they can until they have a real chance of victory, which I don’t think they had on this particular issue. I think some of them would readily become members of that 3rd party (tea party or conservative party, what ever) if they believe it can make a real difference. In the mean time, not much sense cutting your nose off to spite your face.

      Also, personally, I believe voter fraud is so rampant in our elections that until we solve that problem, nothing else is going to make a difference, the same way that the Titanic could not be saved by any amount of bailing water; If we don’t fix that problem,
      if we have no leadership capable of doing something about voter fraud, or with the guts to do so, we’re going to just keep sinking. Even if a 3rd party candidate had overwhelming support, if the election is rigged, the bad guys (good guys don’t rig elections) are going to keep winning and the American people are going to keep loosing.

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  4. Dana RundgrenComment by Dana Rundgren
    January 2, 2013 @ 2:53 pm

    What the heck is wrong with our House of Representatives! For months they’ve been turning down the Democrats ideas of what would be the largest tax increase in American history by far. Now that the fiscal cliff deadline has arrived they caved in to the Democrats far fetched ideas. It’s as though the House decided to let the Democrats have they’re way, to prove to the country that the president they elected does not care about the middle class people who built this country.

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    • rosecoatsComment by rosecoats
      January 2, 2013 @ 3:26 pm

      Dana, if they did not agree, then the Bush tax cuts would expire and taxes go up for EVERYONE. There was no choice, Obama and Reid own this completely. Like the pond scum sucking leeches that they are. It might have been nice to present our own proposal, even knowing it would never pass, and then we could at least say we tried to do the right thing but the OBSTRUCTIONIST Dems would not allow it.

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  5. thedoveComment by thedove
    January 2, 2013 @ 3:03 pm

    My only question would be, “Why is anyone surprised?” Surely no one expected the Vertebrates In Name Only in Congress would grow a backbone overnight. We need to be sure we’re doing more than simply complaining on blogs such as this, we need to send strongly-worded messages to each and every member of Congress who voted for this surrender to the royal president that his or her time in Congress is over. Preaching to the choir won’t help, we need to get these people out of power.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      January 2, 2013 @ 4:49 pm

      The Vertebrates in Name Only have done absolutely NOTHING to stop Obama from usurping Congressional authority to control the purse strings and enact (or not) legislation, to the point that he is now functioning as a virtual DICTATOR and yes, that IS their fault. Why did they not defend their Constitutional TURF, instead of just sitting on their collective A$$ES and letting OBAMA take it away from them? Republicans and Democrats ALIKE are to blame for this debacle. It makes me think the thug from Chicago must have a blackmail DIRT FILE on every member of Congress the way they just roll over and let him do whatever he likes without even TRYING to rein in his abuses of power. THAT is why we supposedly have three separate but equal branches of govt.–so that all three of them can keep each other from grabbing power they should not have. The Judicial and Legislative branches have failed UTTERLY to do their jobs to rein in abuses by the Executive branch!

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      January 2, 2013 @ 6:20 pm

      oleteabag … the judicial branch was creating law from the bench a long time before any one ever heard of Barack Obama. Roe V. Wade overturned abortion laws in every one of the 50 states, completely ignoring the idea that “all men are CREATED equal and are ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS and among these are THE RIGHT TO LIFE…. and they got away with it. I don’t remember prior examples, but the fact is, Roe V. Wade was not the first time they did this.

      Our constitution grants a federal judge or Supreme Court justice a seat for life ‘during good conduct’. The founders did not define ‘good conduct’ nor ‘bad conduct’ in a judge. I believe they left that up to us, either through oversight or possibly deliberately, as they entrusted us with the freedom they had fought for, won and ordered. They left it to us to sustain because they knew they could not sustain it themselves.

      I believe if we need one constitutional amendment today, it would be one that defines good conduct in a judge or justice as unwavering devotion to founding spirit of the US Constitution and ‘bad conduct’ as legislating from the bench on the basis of personal opinion, opinion polls, or foreign documents, opinions or statements.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      January 2, 2013 @ 8:37 pm

      To KSKidd: I quite agree that the Supreme Court has been “legislating from the bench” for WAY too long, now–that is the problem with letting liberal Democrats appoint judges for LIFE. The Supreme Court Justices are “supposed” to be apolitical and independent–THAT’S why they’re appointed for life, so they would not be subject to political pressures from the party in power. But somewhere along the line, that went out the window, and they are now VERY partisan. It is my opinion that Sotomayer and Kagan have NO BUSINESS on that court. They are both incompetent, not to mention left-wing ACTIVISTS masquerading as “judges”. I agree there needs to be some definition of “good” and “bad” judge conduct. Anybody legislating from the bench should be thrown out–no matter WHICH side of the political spectrum they represent (although, truthfully, the Conservative judges are not usually guilty of this. It is the left-wing enablers masquerading as judges you have to watch out for.

      We need some more Sandra Day O’Connors, Scalias and Clarence Thomases on the court, and WAY LESS of the likes of Sotomayer and Kagan. As for Hispanics, the Republicans attempted to put an OUTSTANDING Hispanic judge on the court–but the Democrats demonized him and cast him aside in favor of THAT pair? Sad! I don’t see much hope for our country, if we can’t wrest control of it away from the Communist activists and their braindead liberal “useful idiots”.

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  6. jjs1Comment by jjs1
    January 2, 2013 @ 3:06 pm

    You wrote, “$1 in tax cuts for every $41 in tax increases”

    I assume you meant “spending” instead of “tax” at least once in that quote?

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  7. Bruce FeherComment by Bruce Feher
    January 2, 2013 @ 3:14 pm

    Republicans? There are NO Republicans! Just a bunch of pansy, RINO wimps!

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  8. rosecoatsComment by rosecoats
    January 2, 2013 @ 3:20 pm

    Republicans vote for the “deal”….Social Security and Income taxes go up.

    Republicans vote against the “deal”….Social Security and income taxes go up. It’s a Catch-22.

    Getting the blame either way! Brilliant plan with even some in our own party falling for it, and criticizing the Republicans who voted for the bill as the lesser of two tax-and-spend evils.

    And Democrats continue on their demonic, devious path to ruin the USA by CHANGING it into the USSA.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      January 2, 2013 @ 3:23 pm

      @rosecoats … USSS? I figured USSA (Union of Socialist States Of America) … what is USSS?

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    • kelstepheComment by kelstephe
      January 2, 2013 @ 3:24 pm

      My next paycheck has a SS deduction increase, along with an increase for my health insurance. Thanks for the “no tax increase for anyone making under $200k.” What a bunch of bull, Im sick of everyone in Washington. Kick them all out.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      January 2, 2013 @ 3:31 pm

      I have to agree with Rosecoats…. yes, I stand by my original comment, it means we’re screwed. But Rosecoats is right, while there are some rinos in the party, by and large, if you think of politics like a game of chess, the Republicans were in a loosing checkmate position. They loose either way, there was nothing they could really do. Might as well let the Democrats own the failure. At least this time, the Republicans can’t be accused being obstructionist by those who are obstructionist, as they have been for 4 years.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      January 2, 2013 @ 4:52 pm

      I do not for a moment believe that Obama and the Democrats will “own” this mess. When their ugly chickens come home to roost, you can BET they will find some way to blame the Republicans for laying the eggs! Republicans are apparently just too hide-bound blind and STUPID to stop playing the game by Obama’s rules.

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      January 2, 2013 @ 6:08 pm

      oleteabag … I wish I could disagree with that entirely, but the truth is, I think you are pretty much right. Having said that, I do think there are a hand full of Republicans who have tried. But it is hard to fight a wining battle against any enemy when some of your fellow soldiers are shooting at you. I don’t believe all the Republicans are to blame, just most of them :(

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      January 2, 2013 @ 8:58 pm

      To KSKidd: I agree there are a paltry “few” who have tried–but they are mostly Tea Party who have been trying to work within the GOP framework and having scant success because they are BETRAYED at every turn by the spineless Old Guard Republicans. And those old mossbacks see the Tea Party and other Conservatives as the “crazies” who must be kept in the closet lest they (gasp) scare off the “moderate” voters (who apparently all voted for Obama in the past two elections anyhow, so, really, just how successful was THAT strategy?)

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      January 3, 2013 @ 3:47 am

      oleteabag … I’d have to say that’s a pretty accurate assessment.

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  9. vcamcoComment by vcamco
    January 2, 2013 @ 3:50 pm

    It is incredible how a “nobody” Community Organizer comes out of nowhere, becomes a failed President, get re-elected, and out plays the Republicans in every situation. Astonishing !

    Obama hangs tough, and the Republicans collapse and roll over, time after time.

    This recent Kabuki “over the cliff” Dance, was nothing but political theater ! Obama laughing all the way, watching the incompetent Republicans twist and turn.

    It is depressing that the best and brightest among us, are not in Congress in either Party !

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    • kskiddComment by kskidd
      January 2, 2013 @ 4:01 pm

      Vcamco… watching politics, specifically Obama reminds me of a story:

      A slick mouthed politician asked an old farmer what he thought of Obama.

      The farmer said “Well, I reckon he’s a post turtle.”

      The politician asked “What’s a post turtle”

      The farmer replied “Well, let’s say you’re driving along a country road, past a fence built to keep cattle in and you happen to see a turtle sitting up on one of the fence posts waivin’ his feet around. There are some things you know right off. First, you know he didn’t get up on that post by hisself. Somebody put ‘im up there. 2nd, you know he don’t belong up there. 3rd,you know he ain’t got no idea what he’s supposed to be doin’ while he’s up there and 4th, you know that no matter what happens next, it ain’t gonna be his own idea.”

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  10. Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
    January 2, 2013 @ 4:03 pm

    I deeply resent the “deal” they made and more than that, I resent the smug look on the liar in chief’s face that I saw the first thing this morning along with an article saying there had been no spending cuts, only tax raises.
    Washington DC is a disgrace if you ask me. Why do we have a government at all if this is the best they can do?

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  11. kskiddComment by kskidd
    January 2, 2013 @ 4:07 pm

    See Who Voted for Fiscal Cliff Deal

    http://nation.foxnews.com/fiscal-cliff/2013/01/02/see-who-voted-fiscal-cliff-deal

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  12. allfor1and1forallComment by allfor1and1forall
    January 2, 2013 @ 4:19 pm

    In my opinion, this is yet another example of the fact that we are being RULED, not served, by a political class which has nothing but disdain for us AND our Constitution. They always end up agreeing while we, the People, get the short end of the stick.

    We need a re-invigorated Tea Party-type organization that will dedicate itself to organizationally overthrowing the political class in order to save our Republic and our Constitution.

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  13. Steven W DiTrolioComment by Steven W DiTrolio
    January 2, 2013 @ 4:33 pm

    The Fiscal cliff was one sided from the start. If you can’t see that then you should be in this conversation. Obama is going to do what he wants, and you all better get use to it. That is the way it is. He is out the distory this country. When you play with the people that have the money, they pull all the strings. You think you have a JOB problems now, you haven’t seen anything yet! He knows this! People, if you have any money put it where no one can get to it, and wait this thing out.

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  14. kestutisComment by kestutis
    January 2, 2013 @ 4:48 pm

    When you don’t have principals and are only interested in who gets the blame then that vote is the result you get. Should have resubmitted only bill for tax cuts for everybody and then gone to all the media and put the blame on Obama and Reid if they did not pass! Now we compromised our principals got nothing but destain from true conservatives in return, fractured the party – but at least we know who the true conservatives are! Challenge every RINO who voted for this bill!

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  15. shafawnComment by shafawn
    January 2, 2013 @ 4:53 pm

    The reason why there is a “deal” is because most of the Republicans are just as corrupt and crooked as the demonrats.
    The only hope this country has at this point is to turn back to God. One good revival could turn everything around .. or just keep going the way we are and we will no longer be a super power. I believe that with every fiber of my being.

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    • CarmineComment by Carmine
      January 3, 2013 @ 12:21 am

      We will no longer be any kind of power.

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  16. diamondjimComment by diamondjim
    January 2, 2013 @ 5:23 pm

    Will wonders never cease?? A paper in Pittsburg, which I believe is still in Pennsylvania, which I seem to remember voted big-time for Obama, daring to criticize The Chosen One’s deal?? I got so light headed I had to sit down for a moment!

    The only thing they got wrong is blaming the whole fiasco on the Republicans. Let’s not forget which party wanted more taxes, more spending, and was totally opposed to any meaningful cuts. And let’s not forget for whom you voted in November, Pennsylvania!

    Might have been better to have gone over the “cliff”, which is what Obama really wanted; then he could come back in a couple of weeks and propose the Obama Tax Cuts for the Middle Class, and the Republicans, who were already going to be blamed by the Obama Media Party (which has now become the third party in national politics) regardless, would have little to lose by digging in their heels and holding out for spending reductions to pay for the so-called tax “cuts”. A Rasmussen poll out today showed something like 62% of Americans favor cutting Federal spending. Frankly, I think the arrogant Lord Obama is overestimating himself, and underestimating the intelligence of us peasants out here in the cotton patch. True, there were enough uninformed–or just plain stupid–voters to re-elect him, but nothing focuses one’s attention like seeing hunks of money flying out of his or her paycheck while prices for everything go up at the cash register. People are, I think, totally fed up with politicians on both sides of the aisle, and those who actually work, earn, and contribute to society are going to be much less inclined to swallow everything the Obama Media tries to feed them. Let’s just hope there are still more achievers than there are parasites among the electorate..people who actually write checks instead of just cashing them!

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  17. JDZComment by JDZ
    January 2, 2013 @ 7:21 pm

    Boehner and those in the House have been trying for months to deal with the fact that the current tax rates revert back to higher rates at the end of 2012. At least two different proposals were sent to the Senate with one being an across the board extension of current rates and another with the rates for those making over $450,000 going up somewhat coupled with changes in some of their current deductions as a way to increase revenue. Good old “Dirty Harry” refused to even bring the legislation to the Senate floor for debate and a vote. He has stopped over 30 different bills sent to the Senate from the House from being brought to the Senate floor over the last two years. This man has stiff armed Boehner and stopped all of the attempts from the House to deal with the budget, job creation bills, spending cuts, etc. and continues to complain about Boehner. Reid is not a good leader for the Senate. He is so hard over in the pocket of Obama that nothing productive can really be done in Congress unless it is what Obama wanted. Boehner and the House have tried.

    This “fiscal cliff” thing was all political grandstanding about tax rates and does nothing to deal with the uncontrolled borrowing and spending of the federal government. The deal,that was struck actually raises taxes and proposes no real cuts in government spending. All it did was extend current tax rates for those making less then $400,000 but also raised rates on capital gains, dividends, estate tax, and those making over $400,000. Congress and the President did nothing about the deficit or national debt and has just pushed it off once again.

    To top it off, the President has said that spending cuts will not be a part of the debt ceiling negotiations coming up shortly unless new taxes are a part of the deal. He wants more of everyone’s earnings. It is more wealth redistribution and more spending. It is outrageous.

    The House of Representatives now needs to retrench itself and prepare for hand to hand combat with the Whitehouse and the Senate over spending. This President needs to be sent a strong message that his irresponsible behavior is taking our country down and that the American people have had enough of it. The House has to draw a line in the sand and be prepared to shutdown the government if needed to get a substantive government spending cut plan through Congress. Boehner and the conservatives in the House have to get mean and take it to Obama and Reid because that is the way they play the game. They take no prisoners and play hardball and the Republicans are too nice.

    I would cut the budget to Congress and not pay them their salaries until they provide a balanced and approved budget and a plan to cut spending and reduce the national debt…not raise it.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      January 2, 2013 @ 8:25 pm

      I don’t think Obama will be able to push as hard or be as intransigent on the debt ceiling (unless one of the “secret deals” that was made was to actually give the SOB the ability to increase spending and raise the debt ceiling on his own authority, like he was demanding).

      If he lets the debt ceiling deadline expire, he faces another credit rating downgrade. Probably will get one no matter WHICH way that goes, for that matter, after this latest “deal”. I suppose since he apparently WANTS to collapse the economy and wreck the country, that would be a quick, easy way to do it, though.

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    • CarmineComment by Carmine
      January 3, 2013 @ 12:48 am

      JDZ – The Republicans will go along with Hussein Obama(he said he wants to use his middle name, let’s use it) again the next time. It is becoming painfully obvious that they are all in this together.

      oleteabag -Expect the credit downgrade. It’s already in the works.

      People keep talking about a 3rd party, that’s coming. I think the Tea Party will soon be putting out candidates under it’s own banner very soon, maybe as soon as ’14. They might even put out a presidential candidate in ’16. But that would be too soon as it would practically guarantee that the next president is a Democrat, unless that candidate is so strong and charismatic he sweeps the country.

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  18. mcoryComment by mcory
    January 2, 2013 @ 7:57 pm

    Republicans never learn. Democrats lie. They will never reduce spending.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      January 2, 2013 @ 8:29 pm

      So true. How many times is the GOP going to fall for that shell game? The Democrats have been promising spending cuts “later”, if they can just get the tax increases they need “now” for how many decades now? And the GOP has not figured it out in all that time? That tells you right there they’re either in it with the Democrats or simply too STUPID to call themselves an opposition political party or function as an actual “alternative” to the Democrats.

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  19. oleteabagComment by oleteabag
    January 2, 2013 @ 8:48 pm

    A whole LOT of people on Social Security who make WAY under $200,000 are going to be paying a LOT MORE in the form of higher deductibles and co-pays on their Medicare policies (which, I hasten to point out are NOT “free” entitlements–but are paid for in the form of PREMIUMS that GO UP EVERY YEAR, just like everybody ELSE’S medical insurance premiums.) They will ALSO help pay for Obamacare by being denied needed care and procedures, so they can help pay for Obamacare by DYING and thus ceasing to be a Medicare “expense”, but they apparently did not get that part, either.

    But Obama managed to convince a LOT of seniors that the GOP was going to “shove them over the cliff” by destroying Social Security–I saw MANY letters to the editor on THAT subject by deluded seniors, too. Could hardly believe anybody who had lived LONG enough to collect Social Security would be so naive and STUPID as to believe those LIES, but apparently many of them DID and rushed right out and voted for the Liar-in-Chief.

    When Obama stood up there and declared that he was going to “cut $700 BILLION out of Medicare to help pay for Obamacare”, where did they think that money was going to come from? The TOOTH FAIRY? In their rush to vote for Obama, they apparently forgot that part of his little spiel. To be fair, he stopped talking about that part of his little plan for funding Obamacare LONG before the election, to make sure the absent-minded old people would have TIME to forget it before they voted, and he carefully timed all the increases, higher deductibles, etc. for AFTER the election, just to be sure. I may be old, but my memory is not THAT bad, thank God, and I can STILL recognize “BS” when I hear and smell it, too!

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  20. oklahomaComment by oklahoma
    January 2, 2013 @ 10:22 pm

    Most Americas do not realize that businesses do not pay taxes, they collect taxes from us and send them to Washington. This makes it easier for politicians to conduct class warfare. If people understood that businesses include taxes as a business expense and include them in the cost of their product they would not be so quick to agree that taxes should be raised on businesses. Consumers pay corporate taxes!

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  21. wildflower0928Comment by wildflower0928
    January 3, 2013 @ 12:56 am

    I agree that it is time for a third party. A party for, by and of the American people. Not of Democrats, not of Republicans, (all one and the same. Both parties have created a new form of slavery and have slowly and efficiently enveloped the majority of this nation within this core. There is a new master and it is Government. Send your children to our schools, have them read our text books, we will house you, feed you, take care of you. As long as you keep us in power, we can do these things for you. This is not the American Way. This is bondage. This is slavery and both parties are guilty of perpetuating it. It is time for America to stand proud, strong and free. Do not believe there is anyone in office at this time who can or will stand for American justice and freedom adn honsesty. America needs a new beginning.

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    • Grouchy OneComment by Grouchy One
      January 3, 2013 @ 12:03 pm

      Since the schools came more under the control of the federal gov’t, brainwashing became a more ernest endeavor than actual education based on fact, there is no doubt about that. I don’t know if there are still teachers teaching the kids about the stars in science class or local history but those are the only things I actually remember with any great fondness about my education. They also went into great detail explaining how our government works with regard to the 3-part system that was designed so that checks and balances would be in place to prevent us from ever living in a dictatorship. Seems that today’s congressmen and senators either never learned that they are one of the arms of power or they forgot it somewhere along the way. So now we live in a dictatorship ruled by a racist who hates everyone equally.

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