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Jindal Says to Stop Dumbing-Down Conservatism

By GOPUSA Staff

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal has a message for all those who are wondering what happened to bring about such an electoral beating by Barack Obama. Jindal says it's not the conservative philosophy, but rather how it's packaged that is the problem. Jindal said that Republicans should "stop being the stupid party."

As reported by Politico.com, Jindal said in an interview on Monday that the GOP should "embrace a populist-tinged reform approach."

"We've got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything," Jindal told POLITICO in a 45-minute telephone interview. "We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys."

He was just as blunt on how the GOP should speak to voters, criticizing his party for offending and speaking down to much of the electorate.

"It is no secret we had a number of Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments -- enough of that," Jindal said. "It's not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can't be tolerated within our party. We've also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters."

In some ways, Jindal hits the nail on the head. If voters only hear that the GOP is about big business, they will never, ever hear what true conservatism is all about. On the other hand, people like Barack Obama prey on the fact that voters are NOT educated on the issues. That's how they win.

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  1. mstrong1Comment by mstrong1
    November 14, 2012 @ 9:26 am

    “people like Barack Obama pray on the fact that voters are NOT educated on the issues” and they don’t care to be. They know the sports scores and not much of anything else and they don’t care. People that do care are making the mistake of assuming that the majority of us care, ever will care, or pay attention to m,uch of anything but as some of you older folks may remember ag sec Earl Butz, put it pretty close to the truth some time ago.

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    • rrg51Comment by rrg51
      November 14, 2012 @ 11:31 am

      The staff writers should’ve used the correct spelling “prey” on uneducated voters. That’s exactly what we are to BHO: prey.

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    • chamuielComment by chamuiel
      November 14, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

      “we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”

      yeah, just give them free stuff like phones, and free birth control. That will appeal to their intellect.

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    • wallybluComment by wallyblu
      November 14, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

      “Stop being the Stupid party”, if the Republicans are the stupid party why did all the stupid people vote Obama back in?

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 14, 2012 @ 6:38 pm

      Come on Governeor Jindal. You must realize that the ignorance of the masses has always been and will continue to be the coin of the realm for tyranical regimes. Keep the masses in the dark and uninformed about what makes their government tick. Throw them a few trinkets from the Government Mardi Gras float from time to time and that’s enough to placate them. Obama phones anyone?

      If it seems that conservatives “talk down” to the electorate, it’s only to the liberal electorate. I was raised in upstate New York. Back in the good old days from 1964 through my senior year in high school in 1978. We were taught the English language and proper grammar. We were taught civics in elementary school, we recited the pledge of allegiance every morning followed by a moment of prayer. I had a job as a customer service rep for a phone company several years ago and the first line managers would periodically evaluate our job performance by doing “Back room” observations on calls we had on any given day.

      One day, after doing some back room observing my manager came to me and asked me to close my line so she could cover my review with me. One of her “observations” was that she felt I talked “over the heads” of my customers. I apologized but added that where I grew up I learned to use proper grammar in speaking English and not the bastardized tex/mex mish mash here in Texas. The use of grammar in this state is atrocious. Please don’t get me wrong. I don’t want to sound like I think I’m superior to anyone here in the great state of Texas. I just want to make a point about differences in education. I used to cringe at times when I ‘d listen to President Bush speak. His poor use of grammar and mispronunciation of different words were typical of what I hear from most people here. I would think….”come on Laura. You’re a school teacher. Can’t you work with your husband to clear up those faux pas and mispronunciations?”

      “I have gave my full suppote to the party but I’m fixin to pull out and takes my suppote to somewhere else.” Bobby, we will always appear to talk down or over the heads of people if
      we speak the English language correctly. I’m not too keen on learning the dialect of the uninformed and ignorant. If the perception of the left is that Republicans are the party of Big business and Big banks, etc, etc then it’s because the left has defined us in those terms.

      Conservatives have been demonized by liberals for 60 years or more. Why can’t we accurately define ourselves so that the electorate, Liberal and Conservative, will know who and what we’re all about? We can’t get any real “Face time” with the press. Better than half the country is left of center now, and these people don’t watch Fox News. What’s left for us to do?

      Trust the intelligence of the American people? The left accomplished something never before seen. With an economy as bad as ours is right now, no sitting president ever won reelection. But Obama did. How? Rampant voter fraud I’m sure, but also they have been able to convince their people that 4 years into Obamas administration the economy today is still Bush’s fault. In spite of the uncontrolled spending, the exponential growth rate of the deficit and a class warfare campaign on taxing the rich. What does that tell you about the intelligence of the average American?

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  2. larrycivicComment by larrycivic
    November 14, 2012 @ 10:04 am

    Jindal has part of it, but it goes deeper. It appears Obama won with three demographics, single women, blacks and Latinos. Go to the vast majority of Republican County meetings and those three groups are either completely absent or remarkably under represented. In the meetings I personally attended it is not an act of aggression they/we simply don’t know or talk with these groups. That has to stop. It’s easy to meet with and include your friends an neighbors and awkward to uncomfortable to reach out to folks not like us. That has to be overcome.

    Obama sold a brand and deftly avoided his performance and results. Those demographics don’t want anything different than mainstream Republicans, but if they are not engaged by conservatives and are targeted by liberals your outcome is exactly what we just saw in the last election. We allowed the liberals to demagogue the cleanest, best educated, most successful businessman, most honest candidate in the last 50 years. Remember the definition of insanity is to continue to do the same things over and over and expect a different outcome.

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    • mstrong1Comment by mstrong1
      November 14, 2012 @ 10:17 am

      Yes, Romney was “the cleanest, best educated, most successful businessman, most honest candidate in the last 50 years”. The libs vote almost entirely on emotion, so trying to engage them and rationally convince them, is, sadly, pointless. The ones that don’t vote strictly on emotion, vote for more free stuff from Oba-mao’s stash.

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    • drifterdanComment by drifterdan
      November 14, 2012 @ 12:07 pm

      Rommney may be the most honest candidate in the last 50 years, but that is not a high bar to hurdle. No disrespect intended.

      While he may be the most honest, his campaign was far from it. I was at the Arizona Republican Convention and the Romney camp was dishonest, violated rule after rule, and disregarded the competitions delegates.

      Had his campaign not disenfranchised so many Republicans the outcome may have been different.

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 14, 2012 @ 9:05 pm

      In response to larrycivic. Hey Larry. There’s nothing wrong with our outreach. The republican party is an inclusive party embracing people of different ethnic,racial social and religious backgrounds. They are all around us and among us. The problem is that for better than 60 years the left has defined us to their electorate as people to be avoided and shunned because of our racism, hard heartedness, selfishness, greed and as Obama described us a few years ago as “People who cling to their guns and God and fear and hold in suspicion anyone who is not like them.”

      Seems to me that with the exception of clinging to guns and God that the electorate for the left has been conditioned to fear us and hold us in suspicion and even outright contempt. The hate and vitriol that I have personally seen from people who are otherwise generally “normal” when their belief system with regards to social issues is challenged sufficiently tells the tale.

      There is a visceral reaction from people when the subject of personal responsibility, morality and self reliance comes up. It’s almost like a Jekyl and Hyde transformation. I’ve had calm and reasoned conversations with liberals I’ve worked with over the years, but only to a point. At some point in the conversations it seems that in order to bolster their positions they must inversely increase their volume to the same degree that their arguments begin to no longer hold water. The conversation descends into a one sided shouting match which usually ends in their storming off exclaiming……”I just can’t talk to you!”

      That is what we’re dealing with larrycivic. Class envy, social injustice, liberalism so deeply ingrained after generations of feeding on disinformation and outright lies. The cancer of socialism/communism is virulent in our society and culture. We are well on our way to being a European socialist country and the ignorant masses demand that it be so.

      I’m reminded of what Ronald Reagan said in the context of the differences between conservatism and liberalism. He said …..”there should be no pale pastels. Only clear, sharp contrasts.” What we’re being told these days is that we have to be more like democrats. Speak a new language for a new electorate. Utilize the tactics of the left to (in my estimation) hoodwink people into voting for something that they really don’t know what they’re voting for. A turn of phrase, verbal slight of hand and misdirection. It’s all dishonest to the core. We are being told that we must “Blur” the distinctions that have seperated us from the left.

      Notice how it’s always conservatives that need to moderate their positions on issues? Our positions are always branded as extreme. That’s the trouble we have. Too many linguini spined RINO’s who can’t stand for anything and so they fall for everything.

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  3. prairelivingComment by praireliving
    November 14, 2012 @ 10:40 am

    The other thing the Republicans need to do is stop letting the political pundits and party elite be the final and only arbitrator in the decision of who will be the party nominee. So many Republicans I spoke and discussed the campaign with considered Romney less than an ideal choice. They supported and voted for him not because of who he is but because of who he was running against. That does not encourage passionate campaigning and support. That doesn’t convince people to go out on a limb and talk up their candidtate to friends and family.

    The entire primary season was spent bashing Republican candidates and the worst part it was the conservative political pundits and party elite doing the bashing. Then when they were through belittling and damaging the repuatation of the primary candidates they didn’t want to see as the nominee they wondered why the rank and file wasn’t all rah-rah for the candidate and how the Democrats had so much fodder to attack Romney and the Republican party as a whole.

    The primaries should be a time for each candidate to express their positions, to appeal to the voters in their party with their ideas, plans, and overall political philosophy. The pundits and elites should encourage this dialogue between the rank and file and the candidates so that each understands and therefore can embrace or reject those positions. When the primaries become attack fests on our own people something is seriously wrong. If there has to be mud slinging (and I don’t believe there needs to be nor should there be) then save it to go after the opposition.

    If the primaries were allowed to progress without influence by the elites and pundits the candidate that would emerge would likely be one who could be embraced by the party members and would encourage strong and vocal support.

    By trying to find a candidate that is the least objectionable to the supposed voting public we are ending up with one who is not particularly inspiring to the majority of conservatives. Let’s face it, conservative candidates are never going to sway the hard core liberals. For the voters on the fence a candidate with strength and conviction (even if one doesn’t fully agree with everything they stand for) is more appealing than one who is trying so hard to be everything to everybody that they are wishy-washy.

    We’ve tried the approach of allowing the elites of the party to chose the candidate and we’ve met with failure each time. Perhaps it is time to let the people speak and see what happens…we couldn’t possibly have less success and maybe it would work.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      November 14, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

      We could have more success and better candidates by getting RID of the long, grueling and excessively expensive (for candidates) primary method of choosing nominees. The primary system is the reason presidential campaigns drag on for a year or more and GOP candidates savage each other in an attempt to garner primary votes, until everybody is SICK of the whole thing and stops listening LONG before a frontrunner emerges–usually some party hack who has the backing (and thus financial help) of the GOP party leaders but little else.

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    • drifterdanComment by drifterdan
      November 14, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

      You are absolutely right.
      This election was another, vote for the no choice of your choice.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 14, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

      For PraireLiving: Well posted and well thought out. Bravo!

      I only have one thing to add: When the respective parties elite, the DNC and RNC push forward their agenda instead of the needs/wants of it’s respective party group, they loose not only credibility and cause confusion, frustration and animosity, they also create the secure sense that we are the bulls with a ring in our nose to be pulled this way and that as they “Know What is Best for U” mentality.

      Gov. Romney wasn’t wrong in his 47% analogy. Literally, 47% of the population either doesn’t get it, doesn’t want to get it or simply doesn’t care about our system to educate themselves upon it. In my opinion, this leaves huge wide barn doors for both parties to ram through their ideals instead of the base reality of ideals that exist in the majority of both parties.

      It’s time to revamp, overhaul, and clean up our electoric system to include that actual majority on both sides of the aisle instead of a few chiefs treating us all like a bunch of little Indians. I’d like to think the majority of those who blog, read, watch the news have at least a common sense understanding…and we are the majority…the 47% does not represent us in any way shape or form.

      ~M

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    • BobinmsComment by Bobinms
      November 14, 2012 @ 12:58 pm

      These campaigns are embarrassingly expensive where each competes to outspend the other. What a waste of money and imposition on those that have to endure the advertisements.

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 14, 2012 @ 9:47 pm

      In response to prairieliving: Hi. I’m afraid I can’t completely subscribe to your views with regards to the party elites choosing candidates for us. It’s true, the “Establishment” in each party exercise considerable influence over the selection process of a nominee, but it’s been that way for a long time. My thinking is that the “Establishment” leaders have become far too wishy washy due to the same “leftist” influence that infiltrated the democratic party going back to the 1920′s.

      That not withstanding, when a nominee emerges for either party, the entire voting block MUST get behind the nominee. No one nominee will necessarily be attractive to all the conservative or liberal constituencies but that no longer matters. The libs seem to have learned that lesson well. Conservatives are still way behind the curve. I read an article where the writer stated that “If a ham sandwich had been the nominee for the republican party he would have zealously supported and promoted it, since the alternative was no longer palatable.” Too many conservatives have their heads way too far up their own posteriors.

      They’re confident that their excrement doesn’t stink and that the party’s nominee just doesn’t make the muster. We’re nuts! In 1992 Ross Perot split the conservative vote by 19%, thus taking the election away from George H W Bush. The same electorate didn’t unite behind the most likely candidate to win the election. One can debate the Perot campaigns motives from now til the cows come home but he played on the fool heartiness of the right and his gamble worked out. What happened? Clinton won the election.

      Come on conservatives! Of all the candidates who ran against each other in the primaries, Mitt Romney had the least baggage and no scandalous skeletons in the closet. Sure, he didn’t meet all conservatives standards for what they thought a nominee should be, but so the hell what! We’re not shooting ourselves in the foot anymore. We’re putting the gun to our own heads and killing ourselves election cycle after election cycle. I seriously doubt at this stage of the game that we have the intestinal fortitude as a party to win national elections. The conservatives who don’t believe their excrement stinks need a good swift kick in the posterior to knock some sense into them, pull their heads out of their rear ends and see the light of day. I don’t really care about your personal feelings about a nominee. Once he or she is chosen, SHUT UP AND SUPPORT HIM OR HER!

      They want to talk about party elites. These elitest idiots were the ones who chose not to vote this time around. Some 2 million strong. Keep voting for the Perots. You voted for Obama for all intents and purposes. What a bunch of idiots!

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  4. oleteabagComment by oleteabag
    November 14, 2012 @ 12:02 pm

    In a larger sense, the best thing BOTH parties can do to ensure better candidates and a better outcome is to eliminate the stupid primary system.

    This was a Progressive invention that was supposed to make politicians more “accountable” to the public. The true result has been, as we have seen, a gruelling and costly marathon that nobody but a billionaire, or candidates owned body and soul by the special interests financing their campaigns can possibly survive.

    It has been said that all politics are local. Well, the convention nominating process includes a lot of local delegates, grassroots workers who are elected within their local precincts and sent to the convention to articulate and represent local concerns. The primary circus has made that process irrelevant, and done catastrophic damage to the process of nominating a candidate.

    How often do we see good candidates with great ideas simply fall by the wayside long before the convention, because they are “ignored to death” by the liberal media and lack the money to overcome that disadvantage by buying airtime to get noticed? This is why we end up time after time with tired old retreads from the party faithful and candidates who do not appeal to enough voters to get elected.

    It wasn’t so bad when there were only a few primaries, but now every state thinks they need to have one, and it has become a machine guaranteed to deliver up lame and inadequate candidates–especially on the GOP side. Because ALL GOP candidates are always up against the dual assaults of the Democrats AND their lapdogs in the media.

    The Convention nominating model WITHOUT all the primaries greatly reduces the amount of time and money needed to make it to a nomination, and actually gives many viable candidates a chance to be heard and seen without spending a billion dollars to do it. It also gives the Democrats and the disgracefully biased media less time to attack and destroy a viable candidate before the public has a chance to see and hear them. For that reason, I’m sure that any attempt to dismantle the candidate-destroying primary system will be met with strong resistance from the left-wingers. But that is what needs to happen to restore some semblance of relevance to the nominating process, and it is the ONLY way the GOP cna put a stop to the Democrats and media pundits choosing their nominees. Don’t you GOP party leaders GET it–time after time you are herded into nominating the candidate that the Dems and media think they can easily destroy with their disgusting demagogue attacks and/or who they think they can easily defeat. Did you not notice how you were “herded” into nominating Romney this time around by the Dems and the Media? By the time of the convention, he was the only candidate left standing–the Dems and media had already destroyed the rest. It does not help that during the unnecessarily long primary process, the Republicans do the Democrats’ work FOR them by attacking each other almost as viciously as the Democrats and media do. So about all they have to do is push a rumor here or nudge a potential scandal there, then sit back and watch the GOP candidates destroy each OTHER. Aside from engaging demographic groups they have ignored for too long, the GOP has to fix this system if they ever expect to field a decent candidate with a ghosts’ chance of winning the general election.

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  5. MarcusComment by Marcus
    November 14, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

    Let’s hope many Republican leaders will endorse Governor Jindal’s wise comments. The GOP is fast becoming the Party of Dumb in the eyes of well-educated voters.

    I have not found any of my neighbors to be focused on the President’s birth certificate or on reducing taxes on billionaires. They have no interest in denying marriage licenses to committed same-sex couples or preventing rape victims from having access to abortion.

    However, they are vitally interested in encouraging sound policy on the economy, energy, and education. Republicans in Congress should concentrate on promoting sound proposals in these areas. Mitch McConnell’s principal goal in the last two years, he said, was “making Obama a one-term President.” If he and his colleagues had spent more time on policy and less on political gamesmanship, perhaps Obama could have been a one-term President.

    Our party needs to think long and hard about its future, and more of the same isn’t going to cut it. Governor Jindal should be echoed by all who are genuinely concerned about the GOP’s future.

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      November 14, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

      Let’s hope the Republicans fall on their swords – and a new Constitutional Conservative Party is created. DOWN with the Elephants – up with the Eagles.

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  6. BobinmsComment by Bobinms
    November 14, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

    I think you’ve got it right Governor. There are 2 republican parties, the establishment RHINO’s who insist on having their way which is as you say big business, big banks, etc. and the Tea Party types that provide the voters. Each group needs the other but the RHINO’s are not compromisers. For proof just look at the last senatorial elections in Delaware and Alaska. When the Tea Party candidate beat the RHINO candidate in the primary, did the RHINO support the Tea Party candidate? No. And many democrats joined forces with the RHINO candidate to defeat the Republican Tea Party candidate.

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    • stickmanComment by stickman
      November 14, 2012 @ 5:00 pm

      There are NOT two Republican Parties – there is only one and it is NOT conservative – it is progressive only slightly less than the socialist Democrats. The true RINO’s are the Tea Party conservatives – the others are true Republicans. I suppose I should throw in the libertarian species as well, Ron and Rand Paul.

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  7. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    November 14, 2012 @ 1:13 pm

    Assuming that there will be another ‘election’, what the GOP needs is a bare-knuckled street fighter. McCain played ‘nice’. as well as Romney. Both had many opportunities that they avoided. Noce guys finish last.

    Speak all you will about ‘issues’, the illiteracy of the electorate is absolute. Just think how few can pass an 8th grade math course, or can even read the Constitution. It is doubtful if even our elected representatives have more than a passing knowledge of our Constitution. Face the fact that the majority of voters, whether legal or illegal, are lockstep voters.

    While the majority of voters are ‘lockstep’, neither party has enough to win an election (yet). There is a number of uncommitted that must be won over. Never again do I want to hear a McCain saying that Obama is a loyal American, or a Romney syaing that we only differ on how to cure America’s problems. Nonsense, both should have been saying that we are running to prevent the willful destruction of the USA, and stating it in no uncertain terms, with words never to exceed two syllables.

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      November 14, 2012 @ 2:21 pm

      I would love to disagree with you, but sadly, you are right. It’s been said that the average America is way below average. I think we can safely say that the average Obama voter is below the average American. In the face of such total ignorance about our history, heritage and how our government works (I blame the liberal take-over and dumbing down of schools), it is obvious that a whole new approach is needed.

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 14, 2012 @ 11:56 pm

      I’m reminded of a line from the movie “Tommy Boy” with Chris Farley and David Spade. Dan Aykroyd played the part of Zalinsky the auto parts king. He made the comment “What the American public doesn’t know is what makes them the American public.” There are none so blind as those who refuse to see or who are too lazy to open their eyes.

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  8. reelmanComment by reelman
    November 14, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

    Its been said…Jindal did not govern (so far) as a real conservative…I live in La…I have a conservative Blog…he will not even go on the same radio shows he eagerly was on before elected…he uses “1 time money” in risky ways…and so on…
    Anyway, why is it national Repubs trash each other and are so eager to take advice from the pawn media after they lose? Do the dimdems ever do that after they lose? NO NO…they always say the same 2 things..”message did not get out or base did not”,,,we, on the other hand, are duped into running off at the mouth (like Jindal/Kristol/Boehner that we must change and be more like the socialists. This is the poison pill they take…then the pawn media re-plays and echoes their suicidal rants of change! Why are the Repubs such blind pantywaists?
    There is no doubt that the last 2 moderates lost so will we have to hear again we need another? Only Newt was aggressive to media and the socialists…take a lesson. He is very feared…he is a master a t debate. OzBama made the “clueless college tour” and “victim worship black radio tour”…did JM or MR make a college tour? These are the future…ok, maybe 75% of the colleges are so liberal they could not get approval but they could have tried or used a facility very very nearby.

    The dimdems are arrogant apostles of utopian socialism and they have NO ethical or moral boundaries…how many more decades will it take for that to sink into the heads of the national Repubs? They continue to take a knife to a gunfight and to fear the media will frown at them…

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 14, 2012 @ 10:21 pm

      Amen to that! All I heard fro leftist politicians back in the late 90′s into the early 2000′s when they lost mid terms was that “We didn’t get our message out effectively” or “We have to go further to the left.” They understood the Reagan concept of “No pale pastels, only stark contrasts.” Look at them now. We have the most far left president and administration that this country has ever known. We couldn’t get more to the left than if we had elected chairman Mao or Soviet premier Joseph Stalin.

      We are being told to blur the contrasts, to be more like the left. Why should any who are marginally leftist be convinced to vote for our guys? No reason at all if the differences are blurred to the point where it appears there are no differences you stick with the known commodity.

      This president is now puffing himself up like a peacock and the bravado with which he speaks is amazing. He actually believes that since he won reelection he has a MANDATE to push his agenda even further to the left. Raise taxes and slash defense spending. Leave us more vulnerable in a world where Al Quida is not on the run and working over time to attack us again. The nation is just as divided as it was before the election but now Obama postures and presents himself as dictator in chief believing he has the support of the entire country. That’s because he doesn’t consider the other 1/2 of the country unless he looks down to see what it is he’s stepping on. This man is dangerous and I hope the hearings into the Benghazi Libya incident serve to bring him down. The whole General Patreus affair is a smoke screen that the media is throwing up to shield Obama. Like the Clinton years, any time an allegation was made against Clinton by another woman whom he had groped or had otherwise been inappropriate with the mission of the party was to destroy the reputation of the woman making the allegation.

      Trash them so thoroughly that no one would believe any testimony they offered. Watch out General Petreus! You will be the sacrificial lamb to keep Obama untouchable. And Hillary? I don’t know what to expect there. She had been directly petitioned by Ambassador Stevens for increased security and didn’t deliver. Ultimately, the buck stops with Obama, but I don’t think he’s ever shouldered responsibility for anything.

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  9. stickmanComment by stickman
    November 14, 2012 @ 4:58 pm

    The “Republican Party” is NOT a or the conservative party. They are the right wing, the establishment progressive, cowards of the PARTY that controls our government. IF you want a conservative, constitutional party – you better get off your butt and start one. You will need to elect officials at ALL levels, local, state and federal. You cannot, as the other “third” parties try to do – just elect a president – you must have a real voice – not just clinging, like the libertarians do, to the Republicans. The “Tea Party” is a failure because they failed to ORGANIZE after the 2010 elections and create a real Party, and have those conservatives that were elected switch to the NEW Constitutional Conservative Party. That would have given clout and meaning – and been the demise of the establishment RINO’s like Boehner – do you realize that person could become President?! only Biden or McCain would be worse.

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 14, 2012 @ 10:52 pm

      Hi stickman. I would beg to differ with you on a point here. I don’t believe the Tea Party has failed. Like Thomas Edison, who tried a thousand ways to make an incandescent light bulb. He didn’t consider himself a failure. He just discovered a thousand ways how not to make the bulb. The Tea Party, I believe, has been trying to reform the party from within. This is something that Martin Luther tried to do during his time in the Protestant reformation of the 16th century.

      He was urged by a close friend and confidant to “Not throw away the baby with the bathwater.” However it came to the point where Luther realized his efforts to reform the church from within were doomed to failure. Corruption within the religious system of the Catholic Church in those days was so pervasive that reform was not possible. He had to split from the established religious order of the day and start a new movement. We are in the same boat today. I thank God for the Tea Party for making the lions effort to bring true conservatism back to the republican party. I’m sure Tea Party leaders are figuring out that the corruption in the republican party is too wide spread and too many (would be) conservatives, when push comes to shove, will vote to pad their own nests and throw the True conservatives under the bus.

      There is much talk about secession. Many believe it is just talk. The principles of freedom, liberty and self determination and self government I’m sure were considered as just talk by the British monarchy until the shot was fired at Lexington Concord that was heard around the world. Ultimately resulting in our (secession) from England and the crown. If this dictator in chief continues on his path of national revenge, I don’t see that any freedom loving people would willingly endure it. Count the cost and then pay the price. We are heading for another American revolution if the tides of politics and social engineering don’t come to an abrupt stop.

      The time for this reorganization of which you speak is now. The Tea Party has not quit. There is no giving up. Our nation is divided. If the left continues to enslave a willing constituency with welfare and free health care promises and convince them that it’s freedom, then there is little we can do to stop them. However, if we refuse to be brought “into the fold” of those who want to be taken care of, then the time will come for us to fight. If half the country declares independence from Washington control, we may see National Guard tanks in our cities like in Tianenman Square in China not too many years ago. We need to wake up and smell the roses people.

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  10. tiny1pjComment by tiny1pj
    November 14, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

    It is my opinion that the decline started when Sen. Dole was given the Rep. nomination “Because he deserved it” for the years of service in the congress. NOBODY “deserves” the office because of their prior service.

    We need a proven leader, who can work with everyone in congress. I understand that there are who will refuse to work together, but until we get back to what is best for the nation, we will have to deal with a declining economy, deficits without an end, and business owners taking their manufacturing out of the country.

    From what I have personally seen, the majority of those voting for the socialist POTUS have no idea wheat the Constitution says, or how to live within their means. They have yet to realize that we are far closer to the situation in Greece than they have been told. An ignorant electorat favors the left. They have to be educated and this has to be done year round. The election “season” is too short to educate those who are purely selfish or emotional voters.
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    I told my wife the night that Romney was the presumptive nominee, that the socialist would be re-elected. If our state would have had a vote for the nominee, I would not have voted for him. The party needs to wake up and pay attention to us “peons”.

    The Party needs to become all-inclusive, not just for the “rich” WASPs.

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 14, 2012 @ 11:33 pm

      Hi tiny1pj. You are right. Ignorance has always been the political coin of the realm. Uninformed and ignorant masses are the bread and butter for liberal politicians and leftist regimes. You said “until we get back to what is best for the nation….” The corruption in government on both sides of the isle is too rampant and widespread.

      Republicans and Democrats alike are far too used to getting fat off of our hard work. The entire system is rotten to the core. Politicians aren’t interested in what’s best for the nation, they’re interested in whats best for them. There weren’t any Senators that read the “Affordable Care Act” AKA “Obama Care.” They didn’t know what was in it but they sure exempted themselves from it’s provisions.

      They have a Cadillac health care plan for themselves but would in no wise make it available to us common citizens. They can engage in insider trading and fleece the stock market for millions. If we did it, we’d be in jail right next to Bernie Madoff. Our constitution explicitly states that “Congress shall not enact any law that is binding on the people that they are not equally bound to.”

      The education of the masses stopped in the mid to late 1960″s. I remember learning the basics of civics in elementary school. There was the pledge of allegiance followed by a moment of prayer every morning in the public schools. Up til the late 19th century, the Church and the home were the primary centers of public education. Then came along the idea of the national, federal public education system. This grew into what is now a national, federal indoctrination system that no longer teaches American history, government and civics, but rather teaches tree hugging 101, political activism, socialism, communism. So if you’re looking to the public indoctrination system to play a role in this reeducation of the masses you’re barking up the wrong tree.

      Those who would choose dependency over self reliance are too firmly entrenched in liberal doctrine and dogma to ever be convinced to return to a constitutionally conservative form of government. There’s just too much personal responsibility to deal with. They want to be told what to think, how to think, how much money they can earn, what kind of car they should drive. For them it’s too late to reclaim them from the Borg assimilation of the left. From the communist media in this country we can only expect to continue to be lied about and defined through the leftist prism and paradyme.

      The party is all inclusive. You speak of “rich” WASPS as though you are a liberal. You’ve bought into the liberal lie, at least to some extent with regards to class envy. In a free market economy, anyone with the drive to succeed and determination to overcome obstacles can make it big. Just familiarize yourself with some of the great success stories in American history. Rags to riches tales of sacrifice, hard work and determination run all through the fabric of this country. Communist ideology teaches that any success not directly connected to the state is “evil” and those profiteers are making it rich on the backs of the “working class.”

      Success, apart from the government is penalized and discouraged unless the government takes it over. Then all of the sudden it becomes virtuous. Government in general, and socialist governments in particular, discourage thrift, hard work and determination. Since the Neurosurgeon and the trash collector earn the same income annually, there is no incentive for any one to work hard to prosper because you can’t prosper. Dreams die almost before they can be dreamed by young or old. The “System” sees to that.

      So that’s what we’re up against tiny1pj. A little more complicated than you think isn’t it?

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    • drifterdanComment by drifterdan
      November 15, 2012 @ 1:14 am

      To TW4300
      Just asking, but, where in the constitution does it say ” Our constitution explicitly states that “Congress shall not enact any law that is binding on the people that they are not equally bound to.”
      I want to look it up. Thanks

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  11. Sherylvon BontulyComment by Sherylvon Bontuly
    November 14, 2012 @ 8:43 pm

    Obama is the prey.That’s what community organizers are trained to do.
    Another reason why I refuse to vote for him.Think about it “A prey from Chicago.” That by itself is corrupt enough.It should of had all voters standing attention and saying “No Thanks I Pass”
    for his election in 2008.He shouldn’t even be in office.

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 14, 2012 @ 11:42 pm

      In response to Sherylvon Bontuly: I think you meant to say tha Obama is a predator, not prey. It’s the predator that feeds on the prey. Am I right or have I just misunderstood you?

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  12. Bill from MiddletownComment by Bill from Middletown
    November 14, 2012 @ 9:06 pm

    If you read the Politico article, you will note it says, ” Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants, said the GOP “must reject identity politics” and “treat folks as individuals, as Americans, not as members of special interest groups.”

    The man read my mind!

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83743.html#ixzz2CG0K8oBc

    Jindal in 2016!

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    • teapartyproudComment by teapartyproud
      November 17, 2012 @ 9:15 pm

      No thanks on Jindal in 2016! He’s another one calling for amnesty. If that happens, we are done.

      How about we nominate a true American patriot who loves America as it was founded and wants to “conserve” that which our forefathers handed down to us.

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  13. VeeDubComment by VeeDub
    November 15, 2012 @ 8:50 am

    OH Please! Stop the politically correct garbage and speak the truth. NOBODY could have beaten obama, no matter what you “packaged” or how you packaged it.

    Obama won because of bias of those who voted for him because of his race, those who are ignorant of facts, those who will always vote for his political party, and those getting “free” stuff. If those people get his name on a ballot in 2016 where he’s not even eligible to be, they will vote for him again, and he will win again.

    NOTHING will trump their racism and desire to keep milking the cash cow. The ONLY way to beat those people on the left is to offer more free stuff than they are already getting.

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