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The New GOP: Doubling Down On Conservatism

By Ivan Kenneally

The election has been over long enough that grieving has given way to autopsy, the search for the electoral disease that killed Romney’s once promising campaign. Amidst all the griping and recrimination, one pernicious narrative keeps surfacing: if conservatives are to make any gains with the changing landscape of American voters, they have to dial down conservatism, and shuffle a few steps to the left. On this view, the problem is that conservative thinking has, at least in some measure, been eclipsed by the march of modernity.

Unsurprisingly, this is a story being told enthusiastically by the Left itself, particularly its emissaries in the media, and conservatives have been thoughtlessly acquiescing. But there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that the core principles of conservatism not only remain substantively tenable, but also widely appealing, if only presented with some modicum of communicative savvy and conviction.

Consider a few exit polls. Despite choosing the Leviathan-Loving Party, 53% of Americans still think the government is doing too much, illegitimately encroaching upon the private sector. Despite choosing the party that necessarily promotes illicit patronage and economic cronyism, 85% of voters worry about government corruption. Despite choosing the party that has manacled our economy’s natural vibrancy with debt and paralyzing regulation, 77% consider themselves worse off. Bitter about the partisan press? So is 77% of the electorate.

So despite being the obvious target of a politically tendentious media, and philosophically committed to limited government, and by extension, limited opportunities for corruption, the GOP still suffered a trouncing.

It’s not the message but the messenger that proved unlovable: it’s impossible to incompetently promise to deliver competence, to simply decree by fiat that you are managerially superior. Romney’s campaign was poorly run from the start, and those conspicuous missteps read like portents of a failure of future executive leadership.

But even more importantly, Romney failed to compelling articulate what precisely constitutes the party platform, allowing Obama’s camp to fill in the blanks. And so what should have been a referendum on Obama’s bungling of the the economic recovery that never was became an endless indictment of conservative antiquation. By the time the Democrats were done with him, Romney had been transformed, meaning scurrilously disfigured, into a misogynistic bigot ready to rob us all of our economic safety nets in a time of dire need and our hard won rights in a time of insecurity.

It is reasonable to be resentful of the millions of women who ignorantly, even ignominiously, bought the absurd palaver about the predatory hunt for their reproductive rights. That was pure fiction, conjured out of some toxic brew of desperation and dishonesty, with a dash of real cunning. But I can’t remember Romney ever directly countering these obloquies, exposing them for the fantasies they are. Nor can I remember him taking the opportunity to draw attention to Obama’s genuine radicalism on the issue, in particular his voting record on partial-birth abortion. He gave a real winning issue away, for fear that he might actually have to articulate a socially conservative view. But on this score, most of the country is socially conservative!

The current debate regarding the now highly sought after Latino vote is another good example. Of course, it is true that clumsy posturing and heavy-handedness on immigration has soured Hispanics to the GOP. However, they are also frustrated that the DNC has essentially abandoned them on this point. And I refuse to believe that the Latino community is simply tone deaf to some reasonable compromise on immigration that starts with border security and ends with something that stops short of simplistic amnesty. The prevailing view seems to be this: let’s match the DNC in pandering to them, let’s challenge their monopoly on craven identity politics.

The other avenue, woefully untraveled, is to explain the many ways the GOP is the natural political home for Latinos: social-religious conservatism, abortion, same sex marriage, small business entrepreneurialism, and school choice. There is something chillingly unromantic about the Democrat view that thinks immigrants risk so much to come here for welfare as their reward, to find themselves eternally isolated into special interest enclaves versus enjoying the benefits of full assimilation. It is a dispiriting interpretation of their commitment to American citizenship.

This is the principal problem with the Democratic platform. It’s not merely that they have recklessly sliced the electorate into so many insular and inevitably warring slivers that they will never be able to satisfy all of them, or achieve some semblance of doctrinal unity (think of Madison’s “multiplicity of factions” on whatever Lance Armstrong was taking). Or that our demographic destiny, more old needing financial assistance and fewer young working to provide it, dooms their macroeconomic model to a future that mimics the European present. The real problem is that, even in its most soaring iteration, their message is a gloomy and uninspiring one, that champions weary dependency and cynical entitlement. Even their frequent appeals to compassion fail to ennoble since they still amount to an abdication of true charitableness, an outsourcing of the giving of alms to centralized bureaucrats.

At its best, the conservative message is one of hope and personal freedom in the happy service of family, country, and God. I have no recollection of any of the GOP leaders, Romney or otherwise, speaking confidently of this vision in a way that compelled me, that deeply moved me to believe they had earned the right to be its stewards. We are entitled to be resentful that so many Americans were so easily taken in by Obama’s transparent deceit, as long as we own our complicity in failing to educate them otherwise and to deserve, not merely demand, their trust.

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Ivan Kenneally is Editor in Chief of the Daily Witness.

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  1. Jota_Comment by Jota_
    November 12, 2012 @ 7:56 am

    Hear! Hear!

    Well said

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    • ptbaaComment by ptbaa
      November 12, 2012 @ 8:48 am

      I’m with you on this one, Jota_

      Unfortunately, the monied, establishment Republicans do not now, nor have they ever believed that conservatism clearly articulated is an innate, winning, worthy ideal that the majority in this country would rush to embrace if given the chance. They apparently believe their opponents (the Democrats and the Liberal Media) rather than being willing to acquiesce to the moral superiority of liberty as Walter E. Williams so eloquently points out.

      I’m in my sixties, but even I can see that the way they treated the young, energetic, idealistic “Ron Paul” contingency of libertarian leaning conservatives at the RNC clearly demonstrates their propensity toward self destruction! We’re gonna slap you young upstarts down! Now get out there and support our guy! Right, when pigs fly.

      There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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    • stshepherdComment by stshepherd
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:03 am

      Romney was completely PATHETIC from Day one and the GOP establishment is pathetic, as well. There’s no one who has an ounce of courage and conviction, just their own self-interest- political, monetary, or narcissistic- in mind. Romney is the QUINTESSENTIAL RINO- FOR ABORTION/AGAINST ABORTION, FOR SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE/AGAINST SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE, FOR STRICT ANTI-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION POLICIES/AGAINST STRICT ANTI-ILLEGAL IMMIGARATION POLICIES. PATHETIC! He may be a “job creator” and a good capitalist and a “get it done” man and a good father, husband, and philanthropist- so he should have STAYED a good father, husband, businessman, etc. and the Republican party should have had the courage to pick a true leader. We DESERVED to lose! We actually BLEW IT in not just the most critical election since Lincoln, but the most critical election EVER- when we slip IRRETRIEVABLY into socialism/communism/fascism/marxism- however it is stirred and flavored by the liberal and RINO elites totalitarians. I hate the RINO’s almost as much as I hate the liberals at this point- they’re stupid, weak, and pathetic- just like their man Romney. At least we could have gone with Gingrich if not Ron Paul and taken our BEST SHOT at speaking the truth to the nation and not trying to win a popularity contest! Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic!

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    • cazzieComment by cazzie
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:27 am

      The established Republican party is wishy-washy and messages terribly. They don’t talk about specific voting records of opponents, and would rather walk in parades than get information out to potential voters. I didn’t see one piece of literature in Spanish, or any other language for that matter. The 47% comment, that was taken out of context, was never rebutted to include the rest of the conversation; and the party abandoned Akin and others instead of trying to explain in more detail why and what was being said. As a woman I can tell you that what Akin said is not an untruth-a woman can tease and then decide she’s changed her mind..or are we too dishonest to admit that these situations happen. Reproductive rights do not include murder of the most innocent life. And as another poster stated- in times past we knew so little about a fetus. Now that we have the scientific information, unless a woman has been raped, is in danger from the pregnancy or has been a victim of incest; there’s no reason for abortion, especially because birth control is easily available for all who want it. If by moving to the Left you mean abandoning our morals-that will not happen with many. No one is bringing up or paying attention to the enormous amount of cheating that has occured in this election. With all the enthusiasm I witnessed, it’s hard to believe that Romney did worse than McCain. And the Ron Paul people had a right to be ticked-another arrogant and stupid move by those higher-ups in the party. Even still, their anger helped re-elect Obama. As I posted numerous times to them-it is important to get involved in the Repub. party in order to change them from within, but they refuse. So we got what we got. I’m not sure we’ll get another chance, but we need to pull together and try regardless.

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    • nax777Comment by nax777
      November 12, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

      The most amazing thing about this story and posts is that these people find that changing their hearts and minds will change someone else’s heart and mind. The sane are outnumbered by the delusionally insane left and right voters. http://www.numbersusa.com / http://www.goooh.com

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    • boydattComment by boydatt
      November 12, 2012 @ 3:47 pm

      Until there is laws against defamation and knowing lying about an opponent, conservatism will never go forward and the GOP will never be allowed to the Presidency again. It is not a need for moderation. When a lie is told long enough it becomes a fact to all that hear it. Romney was killed not by the conservative support. He was lied about until the greater majority believed the lies. Any candidate who knowing lies and is proven to be a lie should be disqualified from running for the highest office of the United States or any public office.

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  2. johnlockeComment by johnlocke
    November 12, 2012 @ 8:38 am

    You call women ignorant for believing that the Republican Party is after their reproductive rights? Did you read the Republican platform? Have you heard of Akin?

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    • ptbaaComment by ptbaa
      November 12, 2012 @ 8:58 am

      Really, johnlocke?

      Women’s “reproductive rights” include the “right” to destroy innocent human life in the womb?

      Maybe with the science of the 1960s and 1970s one might be able to rationalize that the fetus is just some blob or gooey gunk. But, come on man, anyone with half a working brain cell can see that the scientific advances of the past half century have CLEARLY demonstrated that from conception, that fetus is an unborn child.

      And, go ahead and tell all those couples out there right now trying to conceive and start a family about a woman’s “reproductive rights”. No one has the “right” to reproduce, only the ability to try.

      In the America in which I grew up, rights came with responsibility. Obviously, in your post-modern Amerika, irresponsibility is a right.

      Be not deceived, God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man (or woman) sows, that shall he (or she) also reap.

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    • conjugalComment by conjugal
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:15 am

      GOP state govts sez women must have a vaginal ultrasound before proceeding with an abortion. Nothing like a nicely lubricated probe inserted into the vagina to demonstrate the Republican’s fear of government intrusion.

      Keep your religion out of my politics. That’s your major obstacle to acceptance.

      Republicans need to learn to curb their vapid hypocrisy appearing in commentary columns such as this one, as well as radio commentators uttering blasphemy and lies, before the party will have any manner of appeal to a thinking body politic.

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    • LardoComment by Lardo
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

      I have no problem, what-so-ever, with a women’s “choice”. I only argue with the timing of that choice. Seems to me she should make it BEFORE conception. And then take the necessary steps to prevent it.

      In this day-and-age there is no reasonable excuse for a women to get pregnant if she does not want to. That is, if she’s willing to act responsibly. And yes, I realize that the man is equally responsible for the pregnancy. However, the man won’t be one with the bun-in-the-oven. Therefore, it is in the womens best interest to make sure the man is being responsible.

      But the fact is, no one wants to be responsible anymore. All everyone really cares about is themselves and their jollies. And if pregnancy happens… oh well. Let the kid pay for it. With his/her life.

      Oh, and please don’t wave the rape/incest flag in my face. Combined that comes to fewer than 3% of the abortions prefromed in this country, each year. But the left is not willing to compromise even on that samll percentage of killings.

      No, the whole debate is about abortion-on-demand. And the billions (BILLIONS!) of dollars that go with it. That’s right. Do you want to know what the abortion debate is REALLY about? Follow the money.

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    • justperhaps45Comment by justperhaps45
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

      Why is it that one person’s inconvenience can trump another’s right to life? How can the guilt of a parent transfer into a death sentance for a child? How can an irresponsible act be set aside by the death of an innocent?

      Before you cite a human Supreme Court as the source of infallible truth, remember that for over 100 years slavery was considered acceptable by that body. I submit that a personal human standard is no greater than a human.

      Consitutional rights are not for personal convience but, for the common good. We must answer the question, “What if everybody did it?”

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    • chergui53Comment by chergui53
      November 12, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

      At 59 and female, I’m ashamed to admit that in recent months there has been this little voice in my mind that kept saying, “God gave us freedom of choice, so what’s so wrong with being pro-choice?” These seeds of doubt have been planted by Democrats, Republicans, friends, strangers, media, ad nauseum. I’ve been the person standing-up for unborn babies in pro-life chains, but within these past few months, I have found myself questioning and distrusting my beliefs. How did this happen to me, an educated, Christian registered nurse practioner? I found myself in an uncomfortable, personal crisis. There is always mercy. Somehow the Holy Spirit plants seeds of wisdom to choke out the doubt and confusion, and I am reminded from the Old Testament (and NOT rescinded in the New Testament): “Thou shalt not kill.” It’s not about choice. It’s about murder. Yes, we have the choice to murder, but we must suffer the societal consequences of that immoral action. In the U.S. and around the world, humanity has legalized murder in the name of reproductive and women’s choice. A fetus has a heartbeat in the embryonic stage and begins pumping blood at 2-3 weeks after conception. It seems hypocritical that many states will charge a driver with 2 counts of vehicular homicide or manslaughter if a pregnant woman and her fetus dies. So ptbaa, I agree with you 100%. And, this is one issue that cannot be conceded to by the Republicans. Conceding is just agreeing, and Romney should have stood his ground not on women’s rights but on murder. It’s not religion, it is politics. It is legislation that approves murder. And, regarding a vaginal ultrasound, I have personally had one during a pregnancy. It is a medical procedure that incurs little to no discomfort…no pain.

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    • calizuz1Comment by calizuz1
      November 12, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

      I am not against abortion and I am a Republican woman. That the Republicans are against abortion did not sway my vote. I also believe that there are many Hispanics who are not too crazy about the whole abortion thing and they still voted as Democrats. So what does that tell you. There were other issues that swayed their votes. I still believe in those values that made this country great. Why should we ‘bellydown’ to the Dems. I certainly won’t.

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  3. Comment by Anonymous
    November 12, 2012 @ 9:20 am

    The plank in the GOP platform opposing abortion even in cases of rape and incest is toxic. How much would Democrat strategists pay to saddle Republicans with a position that EIGHTY-FIVE percent of the electorate finds repellent? The cretins who control the platform committee do the job for free. As long as the party presumes to tell women what they may or may not do with their own bodies, it will lose elections. Let’s stop the Bible-thumping and stick to politics and economics.

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    • ptbaaComment by ptbaa
      November 12, 2012 @ 9:59 am

      So, Anonymous, am I given to understand that you believe that any woman has the right to terminate the life of her unborn child for any reason?

      Well, following that logic, what will you say when your grandkids decide that they should have the right to terminate the life of their grandparent who has become too much of a burden on their lifestyle choices, my friend?

      Don’t need to thump my Bible, just need to read it!

      And the simple economics of the taxes not being paid by the 55 million humans aborted since Roe-v-Wade is a stark reality!

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    • nickster99Comment by nickster99
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:10 am

      Its not right and its not moral, But is the law of the land! You have you right to believe what you want to believe and live your life the way you want. But as long as abortion is legal republicans and conservatives need to get off the bandwagon and start worrying and talking about things that are more important!

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    • spindizzyComment by spindizzy
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:59 am

      Okay, no Bible thumping. But we can’t have it BOTH ways. People out there please help me out here because I don’t really know, but I believe that in most states, when a pregnant woman is murdered, the defendant is charged with two cases of murder. How can this be? Should we change all these laws to fit YOUR definition of “Choice”? Let’s talk economically like you suggest. How much money is our federal government doling out to various organizations the are either supporting or performing abortions for the masses that can’t pay for them themselves? If the government would STAY OUT OF IT, like you want just the Republicans to do, that would be FINE. But look what’s inside Obamacare! You can’t have it BOTH ways! And when THIS is your prime reason for placing the X by BO’s name on the ballet, forgetting all the lying BS BO has spewed, either not believing, not knowing or not caring about the surely marxist/communistic direction he is and has said he would take this country down, and make the whole country beholden to oil rich dictators, and forgetting so much more, do you REALLY think you have the mental smarts to try to force something like “Freedom to Choose” on the Rebublicans, Libertairians, or ANYONE else, other than your leftist buddies? Here’s MY idea of “Pro Choice”. A woman can choose to have sex, or not. That is surely her right! If she decides to have sex, she can surely choose who to have sex, with, in accordance with the laws of he state. A woman can choose to insist that her partner do whatever to not let fertilization to occur, or she can surely choose to do it herself, as there are dozens of ways, equally paid for by the government, to accomplish that. So far all these choices are her right to make. But as soon as there is a third person involved, that person has rights too, and the woman’s choices get much more limited. What makes YOUR definition more important than MINE? And you know, if a woman makes all those choices and ends up with an unwanted pregnancy, she can do WHATEVER she wants to do with that fetis/child. That is between her and whoever else.

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    • spindizzyComment by spindizzy
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:01 pm

      Ooops! Got cut off there— But why, ma’am, should ANYBODY have to pay for those decisions but YOU?

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:37 pm

      For Spindizzy: You asked a very good question. First off, I am not a lawyer…just a well informed citizen that survived in the state where Lacy Peterson was killed/murdered. As I understand the law (an no, I don’t know if this is state by state or simply selected states..Id have to look it up) if a unborn child ‘could’ or ‘can’ survive outside the womb, it becomes a second murder victim with the mother. So say a 6mos into 7 mos, and all the way up to due date, the unborn child counts as a second murder victim.

      Does that help? Hopefully my answer was clear and understandable for you. I know you can Google what your state may offer as means of secondary aggravated assault/murder 1 or 2 when it comes to an unborn child of a certain gestation. We in California got a 101 lesson as the trail dragged numbingly along… May that monster stay in prison until he rots and becomes dust!

      ~M.

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    • GHUComment by GHU
      November 12, 2012 @ 1:27 pm

      If the Republican Party decides to dump the Social Conservative Issues to become more “modern”, more “moderate” more “Democrat -lite” then there will be no significant difference in voting for a R or a D and the Republican Party will go the way of the Dodo. I for one and many Conservatives I know will dump the Republican Party. Period.

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    • chergui53Comment by chergui53
      November 12, 2012 @ 1:53 pm

      Mystic. Being a family nurse practioner, a neonate can survive outside the womb with the assistance of a NICU as early as 20-22 weeks gestational age, which is different than counting months. Weeks is determined by date of conception.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 12, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

      For Chergui53: Yes, I am aware…I am quite proficient within my scope of nursing and this topic. However, as it pertains to CURRENT state law (each state differs slightly in it’s language) within the question asked by Spindizzy, murder charges are/is/can be applied when the healthy pre-born is of a gestational age that medicine determines (not you or I or the rare cases of low gestational weeks per life)determine. That determination is not made solely by gestational age..as you well know…it is made via autopsy postmortem with a viability chart of each unique pregnancy and development of each unique child/mother/stage of life value.

      …. But again, you should or do know that as well. Not really sure why you threw your two cents in on a topic not discussed…especially when it had nothing to do with the well I threw my two cents into to answer a very simple question by another poster.

      ~M

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 12, 2012 @ 7:35 pm

      In response to anonymous and Conjugal. So, we are to keep our religion out of your politics eh? Let me educate you just a little here. Throughout the world, there is a thread of commonality that binds people to one another regardless of how primitive or advanced that human culture is and that is the thread of spirituality expressed by religious practice.

      Whether in the most primitive of tribes in the Amazon basin to the most modern cultures of today there is a belief in some form of deity. A tribes or a cultures concept of that deity, that is how they see God, creates the framework for their morality, their sense of right and wrong, good and evil. This of course is indisputable.

      In all cultures where people practice their religion, the concept of seperating their personal lives from their spiritual lives is untenable and inconceivable to them. How do you seperate the spirit of man from his soul? It can’t be done. Check it out. In the 1975 Dino Delaurentis film King Kong, we get an idea as expressed by one of the men along for the trip to find rich oil deposits on skull island. He was not supportive of removing the great Kong from this Island.

      Kong was worshiped as a god, they sacrificed young virgins to him, which in their belief system, was the way to placate him and curry his favor. He was a wise man because he knew what would happen to the natives. Remove their god, the object of their worship, their culture would fall into disarray. They’d become a culture of disillusioned drunkards with no direction or purpose for their lives. The culture would not long survive.

      Here we are again, back in the here and now. The disarray and moral decline this nation has been sliding into for the past 60 years comes from an ideology that has to a large degree, been successful in seperating men from their spiritual nature and replacing it with a secular one. We can so neatly compartmentalize our lives now with no damage to the conscience. Of course the secularists, socialists, communists of this world wouldn’t erradicate religion, they’d merely replace it with a different kind of religion. The religion of secular humanism. There isn’t enough space here to get into all the particulars of this new faith or belief system. Suffice it to say, man is exalted to the throne of the most highly evolved animal on the face of the planet.

      He got there purely by random selection and chance. The top dog of the food chain. Unaccountable to any deity or system of morality that would “infringe” on their path of self determination. Self is the key issue here. To a larger and larger degree people have lost the ability to hold themselves in check, or police their own behavior. There is no “Moral compass” that guides them. It’s every man for himself, hurray for me and to hell with you. As long as I can get mine, who cares about the other guy?

      This is the Kingdom leftists are building at break neck speed. Those of us who still have God centered morality are considered as living i n the dark ages. We are to them social pariahs that should be shunned and avoided. I submit to the secular humanists that they are the ones living in darkness. Hating the light and those who walk by that light. Your consciences have been disconnected, dulled since you only know right and wrong in terms of how any given thing effects you.

      This is not the way to live. Our culture and nation will not survive much longer. I can foresee a day when the self indulgent leftists of this country will once again feed Godly people,whether they be Jew or Christian to the Lions for pure entertainment. Human life has no meaning. Let’s keep sacrificing our unborn to the gods of pleasure and ease, and our elderly as well. Abortion and euthanasia will be two of the secular humanists most sacred sacraments. Imagine, a nation of people with no conscience, doing only what they see as fit in their own eyes. Why make theft or assault and battery or even murder a crime anymore? If you get beaten up by someone, so what? They’re just exercising their freedom to beat the hell out of anyone that grinds their gears for any reason. How can there be any effective enforcement of basic rules for living when the people consider themselves to be under no law? Figure that one out Anonymous and conjugal.

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  4. mrsgunnut10Comment by mrsgunnut10
    November 12, 2012 @ 10:21 am

    I’ve read many reasons why Gov. Romney and Paul Ryan lost the Election but NONE of them are the truth. The problem, and it is a big problem, is the Republican Party itself. At no time did the Members of this Party really give Romney/Ryan a chance. Sure they said, at least some of them did, we support Romney. The only thing is, none of them EVER got up on a Stage or stood by the Podium with the Governor, while he gave a speech, NOT EVER ! Some of these Republican Idiots even ran the Governor down with some of their stupid, personal comments about why they did not like him on National TV. The people voted for Romney/Ryan as their choice for the Presidency and the Republicn Party is the one that made them lose. Don’t blame it on anything or anyone else. All of the present elected members of the Party are the Culprits and nobody else should be blamed. Thank you for your time. TSgt., USAF Retired.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:27 am

      @Mrsgunnut10: Allow me to first say THANK YOU for your service! My rights are firmly in place due to your sacrifice, time and talent in keeping our country safe from those who would most certainly do us harm. Your service is above and beyond the most skilled doctor, for that doctor only saves one life at a time…your service saves the whole of America..and I don’t think you and your fellows are told enough how precious you all are.

      To your post: Bravo! Exactly hit it on the head. Romney was disliked and distrusted in my opinion due solely to two factors. 1. He’s a Mormon… a still separated sect of Christianity that has yet to be held to the greater Christianity Community bosom. 2.Romney was/is highly successful within the private capital market as well as a highly successful Governor…. a rare resume that should have made him the perfect candidate… the infighting and jealousies within the RNC tore him up before he could be set to fall by the likes of the Huckabee’s, Gingrich’s and Santorum’s of the world. Sad…but there it is. RNC had out their knives and began to carve out a figure that simply wasn’t within the Romney Ryan ticket. They created a narrative to defeat him within the primary, and it stuck but good throughout the presidential campaign. The DNC carried out the RNC narrative to defeat Romney Ryan, with a few added scare tactics atop that narritive…and we all know how that ended up…4 more years of Obama/Biden. God help us.

      Reading the article, I can’t disagree with the author en-mass. Clearly, the author see’s the infighting and power struggle set to steel within the RNC. From a complicit adulterer who thought it was “His” turn at the big chair, to Huckabee and Santorim who thought they could bring America to God like a cherry on a ice cream sundae, to a man who thought he could southern charm his way and run the nation like a state (Perry). None of them made it..and all of them had to come to terms with supporting a candidate they themselves didn’t like, didn’t believe in, and loathed to be honest about it.

      In my opinion, the RNC must open the tent for all forms of conservatism before the hard liners tear it apart in infighting. We will never win another election while this type of Romper Room antics continue…leaving us with wildly more and more socialist running counter each and every election.

      I still believe our country is more moderate. Conservative fiscally, more socially liberal to independent. That doesn’t scream Democrat to me. However the narrative unfortunately got stuck on one or two issues instead of a the big picture that was apparent to those of us who understood what was going on. This wasn’t a vote of confidence in Obama…it was a vote of no confidence within the RNC that gave us the bleak future we now face. We’ve no one to blame but our current leaders and ourselves for holding up those who dance the dance, talk the talk, and continue to do the same ol’ same ol’. It’s simply not going to work anymore..if ever it did.

      ~M

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    • Rich MoneyComment by Rich Money
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:36 pm

      “Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.”-Marcus Tullius Cicero

      Is it just me, or does the election that just passed look almost exactly like the election in 2008?
      Let’s see, middle of the road candidate that doesn’t really excite conservatives?
      McCain 2008 Romney 2012…check.
      VP candidate that’s a conservative firebrand and briefly awakens conservative base?
      Palin 2008 Ryan 2012…check.
      GOP establishment that muzzles conservative firebrand and waters down speeches to point where they lack all conservative conviction?
      Palin 2008 Ryan 2012…check.
      Middle of the road presidential candidate that consistently panders to the center while ignoring the potentially dynamite conservative voting bloc?
      McCain 2008 Romney 2012…check.
      Left-wing wing nut left free to paint middle of the road candidate any way he wants?
      Obama 2008 Obama 2012…check.
      Left-wing wing nut ushered into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue by abominable GOP strategy?
      Obama 2008 Obama 2012…check.
      The GOP better learn and learn fast that conservatives aren’t their enemy. The GOP ignored them in 2008 and lost. They ignored them again in 2012 and lost to a president that has the worst record of any president in American history. They continue to make the mistake of assuming that the conservatives will fall into line behind whatever candidate the establishment sets up to keep the liberals out of office, but the results of the last two elections make it clear it isn’t happening that way. The math is simple. The GOP will NEVER make up in independent votes what they lose by ignoring the base, as the last two elections have undeniably proven. Unless they want to continue watching liberal after liberal take office, they’d better get back to “dancin’ with the lady that brung ya.” She may not be the prettiest girl at the prom, but she is the one that will help the GOP take back the White House and Congress if they’ll get back to holding hands with her again. If they don’t, we’re doomed to relive this mess again in 2016.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:41 pm

      For RichMoney: Bravo! *clap clap clap* Beautifully posted…beautifully posted indeed. Your specific posting should be sent to every GOP/RNC big whig (yes pun intended :]) and made to read and re read over and over until the base truth of its message sinks in!

      Thank you for excellent punditry and logical/rational analysis of the past two campaigns…GOP/RNC, are you listening?

      ~M

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    • justperhaps45Comment by justperhaps45
      November 12, 2012 @ 1:13 pm

      The problem, I think, was that the top of the ticket was a “moderate” or what we formerly called a “middle of the roader.” It is hard to trust oncoming traffic if you don’t know which side of the road will be chosen. The indecision stopped enough votes to turn a question into a default NO.

      As long as the GOP chooses to have doubt about their standard bearer, losses will remain common.

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  5. fromohioComment by fromohio
    November 12, 2012 @ 10:35 am

    Very good article indeed. One addition though: this GOP had exactly 32 years if not more to become real conservative and definitely neglected to draw conclusion after 2008 and 2010. There is room and need for a third party. If this election ended the way it did, then if I were the GOP, I would do proper soul searching inside my own soul/mind rather than keep on looking for excuses outside myself and my yard I live in. The GOP has no one to blame for what happened. Demographics? My own-you-know-what. How demographics changed since 2008 or since the 2010 census? The Dems ripped the fruit of their policy of divide-and-conquer and pandered exclusively where needed to reinforce their status. All Obama “events”were much smaller this time, remember the DNC when they couldn’t fill a stadium of 74000 sits for Obama’s acceptance speech. Remember Cincinnati a few days before the elections where Romney drew twice as bigger an audience than the prez. So GOP, what is to be done?

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    • nickster99Comment by nickster99
      November 12, 2012 @ 10:55 am

      What needs to be done is a revamping from top to bottom. A nominee for the 2016 race should begin and be found before summer of 2013 and the entire Republican party and all conservatives get behind this person with full support! I am looking strongly at Mr, Rubio!

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    • chergui53Comment by chergui53
      November 12, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

      Nickster, I’m with you. Rubio is great, and I like Jindal, too.

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    • fromohioComment by fromohio
      November 12, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

      @nickster99 & chergui53. I have a small problem with Rubio. He was amongst the first who jumped to condemn Michele Bachmann when she requested Congress to look into the Huma Abedin affair. I am afraid that Rubio by no means come even close to Allen West’s position on issues. Rubio is slaloming between the establishment by getting closer and closer to the top, and the Tea party that helped him get where he is.

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  6. ivankenneallyComment by ivankenneally
    November 12, 2012 @ 10:46 am

    Hey All,

    The discussion is off to a great start! To Johnlocke: Akin is an idiot, doesn’t set the party agenda, and wasn’t running for president. If anything, conservatives had real cause to worry Romney would have been a less than steadfast defender of the rights of the unborn–really wasn’t an issue on his executive radar. And there’s no plan to deny the Flukes of the world access to contraception–just a plan to protect the religious liberty of private organizations who refrain from subsidizing it. To Anonymous: I have no desire to tell women what to do with their bodies BUT why do women get to make life and death decisions about the body inside of them? Seems like a selectively tendentious, if not simply disingenuous, libertarianism. I actually think the issue of same sex marriage is much more complicated for the GOP than abortion since the country has really moved a little to the left on this score. But since the GOP message machine is essentially a tin can with a string attached to it, most of the country hasn’t noticed that the Dems have moved way to the left of them on abortion. The GOP should get its act together and let them know.

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  7. Comment by Anonymous
    November 12, 2012 @ 10:57 am

    Read your Bible as much as you wish, ptbaa. Women will not allow you to control them. You may not like it, but you will certainly have to live with that reality. Most women firmly believe that a fetus has no right to inhabit their bodies without consent. It’s just that simple. If the GOP continues to drive away women in droves, it will never win a presidential election.

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    • CarmineComment by Carmine
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:02 am

      The Republican party is not going to do anything. Which is why the Tea Party is about to start putting up candidates under their own name.

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    • rick_kalifornicationComment by rick_kalifornication
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:27 am

      Anonymous wrote: Most women firmly believe that a fetus has no right to inhabit their bodies without consent.

      A fetus inhabits their body without consent??? What do you call the sex act, if not consent? It’s very purpose was for the continuation of mankind! If a woman doesn’t want a fetus, may I suggest she keep her legs crossed? How about some personal responsibility here?

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    • juliaw1955Comment by juliaw1955
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:49 am

      Being a women, I resent the fact that you are talking for “most” of us women,little missy. A fetus is not a foreign object to be hated. It is a baby. It is a beautiful gift of God that blesses others lives. Just ask a momma, and ask those amoung us women whom can not conceive a child. There is a whole pharmacy full of modern contraception’s out there that will prevent you from becoming “invaded” if you prefer. Taking them to prevent pregnancy is called “being responsible” (now that’s an old idea that’s been purposely lost amongst the dust)and then you will not have to resort to murder. And yes, God calls it murder. Spew evil, viscous words of hate if you wish, but you will stand accountable to God one day soon and your words and deeds will not change his judgement. God reigns forever!

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    • conjugalComment by conjugal
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

      Rick, when two Republican senatorial candidates as well as presidential candidates Santorum and Ryan, as well as several Congressisonal candidates speak seriously about rape and a consequent impregnation as the ultimate gift, crossing legs is well beyond anything your concept of “social responsibility” might infer.

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    • rick_kalifornicationComment by rick_kalifornication
      November 12, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

      In reply to conjugal

      Nice straw man argument there. Except the topic wasn’t about rape. It was about personal responsibility for ones actions. Anonymous’ argument was that most women firmly believe that a fetus is ‘an invader of their uterus’. No where was the argument of rape brought up.

      I stand by my comments. Too many women want an out for their irresponsible behaviour and it involves taking an innocent life in order to do it. To me, it is no better than killing someone to cover up a crime in order to not be discovered. Eventually you will have to answer for your actions.

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    • chergui53Comment by chergui53
      November 12, 2012 @ 2:20 pm

      Rape is a devastating event in any woman’s life, and a consequence of such an act is always the possibility of pregnancy. In our modern society, a female who has been raped can avail herself to emergency contraception (EC), the “morning after pill”, which is a high dose of birth control pills taken within 120 hours (or five days) after unprotected intercourse to prevent pregnancy. There are 2 forms of EC; one is available over-the-counter from a pharmacist…no questions asked. So, if a woman has been raped and wishes not to report it or be treated in an ED, she has the advantage of taking EC and not putting herself through an invasive procedure (abortion) and not having the tax payers pay for her abortion. Of course, the ideal situation would be to catch the rapists, convict them, put them in jail, and let them rot there. But, morally, physically, and economically EC is the ideal alternative.

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    • ptbaaComment by ptbaa
      November 12, 2012 @ 3:58 pm

      Anonymous:

      Thanks, but, I was not awaiting your permission to read my Bible as much as I want.

      I have no desire to control any woman. But, I am curious as to just how it is that you are able to so categorically speak for MOST women! Could I see the proof of your assertion, please? And, don’t tell me it is the election results where over 100 million eligible voters did not exercise their franchise and therefore could not be used to establish a majority.

      When it comes to the question of whether or not it is right (moral) to allow women to terminate a human life which they have participated in initiating there is only one vote that counts. And His vote was “Thou shalt not kill”.

      One day you will have the opportunity (though I doubt you will look upon with anything but dread) to discuss it with Him. But, unless you repent and seek forgiveness, His ultimate reply will be to give you what you want when He says, “Depart from me, I never knew you!”

      I take solace in the fact that the realities with which I have to live in this life will be completely and utterly rectified for eternity in the life to come by the One who will rule the nations with a rod of iron upon His return.

      And that, my friend, will happen whether YOU like it or not!

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    • prairelivingComment by praireliving
      November 12, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

      Anonymous: If you repeat a lie often enough some people will believe it is the truth even when it is not. I think you’ve repeated your idea (or listened to the liberals too much) that ” Most women firmly believe that a fetus has no right to inhabit their bodies without consent.” so much you believe it.

      The fact is only a small fraction of pregnancies are the result of rape or incest. When a woman engages in consentual sexual intercourse she IS inviting that ‘fetus’ into her body. She is inviting sperm into her body with the knowledge that if an egg is ready to be fertilized the result will be a child. There are even signs, that with a small amount of training she can use, to identify within a few day window when she is in fact fertile (it’s called Natural Family Planning and it is not the rhythm method). If she doesn’t want to have a child then she needs to NOT engage in sexual intercourse, or even sexual actions without full intercourse, during those times. The decision as to whether or not you want to get, or risk even, getting pregnant should be before you engage in sex not after.

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    • FlyboyComment by tw4300
      November 12, 2012 @ 8:18 pm

      xxx

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  8. LardoComment by Lardo
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:08 am

    “…53% of Americans still think the government is doing too much…”

    And therein lies the problem. BARELY HALF of those polled think the government is doing too much. This segment of the population has been decreasing, steadly, for decades. Why is that?

    There is not one simple answer. Though surely the “dumbing down” of America has something to do with it. Coupled with the propagandizing of the “Big 3″; Education, Entertainment, and the News Media. And add to that the pandering of the political left. (Along with a host of RINO’s.)

    So how many years will it be before the 53% becomes 49%?

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  9. powertothepeopleComment by powertothepeople
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:13 am

    The GOP should not abandon most of it’s core principles. The party will need to modify some stances and rethink some of it’s platform in terms of women, inclusion and the younger voters.
    The GOP has been out performed by the Dems. in each of the past several elections on the message, the delivery of the message and the ground game.

    For instance, Romney never once went in front of the people with charts and said look folks…here where we were when Obozo took office….here is where we are now! People relate to visuals very well. Also, he and his campaign failed to explain the situation and the coming outcome of Obozo’s policies clearly.

    I agree that the party did not do enough to support Romney and Ryan at events. The ground game of the Dems was once again superior. On college campuses, the Dems continue to clean the GOP’s clock via rallies, door to door visits and hanging door tags the day before the election.

    Information is powerful…more is better. More needs to be done to explain where we are, why we need to change course and what the outcomes may be. Just saying I am for jobs and lower taxes is no longer a winner. The Republicans need to pay attention to the indoctrination process the progressives are using in the public school system including the college level. The liberals said in the 60′s they would win the war of the mind and they had a plan. What is the GOP plan?? Does anyone know? Can anyone articulate a plan?

    We really need another viable party solution because the GOP with all it’s faults and the Dems. with all their faults have ruined this country. We need sensible people now in both parties to break off and create a new party that will build on the good of the country, our values, morals, strength and prosperity.

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    • BobinmsComment by Bobinms
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:33 am

      Yes, we need politicians that look out for the country not the party. Illegal immigration is a classic example, illustrated by the following analogy.

      You come home from work one day to find that strangers have moved into your home without your knowledge or approval. They are drinking your beer, watching your TV and napping on your sofa. You tell them they have to leave. But they refuse. You say you are going to call the cops if they don’t leave. They say “go ahead”. The cops arrive and to your dismay, they agree with the intruders. You can’t believe it! The problem is so obvious! After a little research, you learn that the cops have been paid off, one with votes and the other with cheap labor. What can you do? You are a stranger in your own home.

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:34 am

      Besides the massive vote count fraud, that is being slowly exposed, Romney and the Republicans failed to give a nuts & bolts plan to bring back millions of factory jobs. The Pollyanna drivel that was given was seen as shallow. So many Blue Collar voters just stayed home.

      Clint Eastwood nailed it at the GOP Convention, saying that every 4 years, politicians come at us for our votes and then ignore us afterwards. The status quo of making money overseas with cheap labor… is too lucrative for many that don’t mind selling The Republic down the river.

      Romney talking repeatedly about Latin America trade, simply shifts the focus for more jobs lost in the US of A to Latin America. I guess this is in keeping with our continued march to becoming yet another Banana Republic.

      Small Mom & Pop businesses did not defeat Germany & Japan in 4 short years! But that America is not wanted or desired any more. At least Dad who risked his life in WW2 is not here to suffer as his children do now.

      Further, Romney and the Republicans shied away from The Tea Party in a shameful way, showing contempt. Great going GOP!

      And Bob is right about the immigration debacle. The Republicans call for more and more Aliens to come. Green Cards for the World! We are FULL.

      Keep an eye on what is going on with Allen West in Florida, and the massive FRAUD going on per votes. What amazes me is that the GOP is ignoring this and accepts what passes as an election.

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    • Cape ConservativeComment by Cape Conservative
      November 13, 2012 @ 9:44 pm

      I, too, am very concerned about the south Florida election results. It is extremely disturbing to learn that the RNC and everyone else in Washington seems to be ‘too busy’ to dig into this FRAUD!

      Keep on keeping on, Colonel West…you have LOTS of supporters out here in everyday America! With what I know about you, I feel certain you really don’t need this encouragement, but it is offered anyhow. AMERICA NEEDS MORE PATRIOTS LIKE YOU IN CONGRESS!

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  10. ivankenneallyComment by ivankenneally
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:18 am

    @Anonymous: Piece of advice: nothing helps a position like actual facts. According to a recent Gallup poll, and most major polls by the way, at least half the female population (and likely a little more than half) is pro-life. Also, while I have bottomless respect for the Bible, my position is based on science–I don’t see a scientifically (or philosophically) non-arbitrary way to adequately distinguish between an unborn fetus and a delivered baby. Finally, newborns don’t ask for consent to be born, nor do they politely request for food and shelter. Shall we murder them for their impertinence?

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:50 am

      @Ivankenneally: …and I respect your thoughts and opinions on the subject. No one person should have his or her opinions discarded or disparaged because it’s not the agenda or narrative of some.

      Allow me to offer this thought. 5months gestation, twin boys, one dead and the other on the way to following. Due to the type of insurance we carried at the time, I was sent to Plan Parenthood to have a DNC. I was put in front of the worst type of video’s, laid to waste as counselors went through a mandatory spiel on ‘save your baby’ rants…when they and I knew my situation didn’t apply. It’s the law..still is. How does that help anyone or save a life of our precious young? Answer is, it doesn’t. It caused great pain and emotional suffering for both my husband and I. This was over 22 years ago. My middle daughter just went through something similar..and due to her insurance, was lucky enough not to have to endure such a trial. It would have been their first child..much wanted, much loved, and it devastated her. Due to being 4 months along however, she had to wait 72 hours prior to having a DNC. Again, long suffering, painful and detrimental to emotional health. (She’s fine now, and they will be trying soon for my first grandchild.)

      My point? Not everything within the topic of choice and abortion is as clear as it has been made out to be. As a retired nurse, I have seen far to many examples of women in situations where their condition hits or applies to our nations reproductive rights..and I can firmly tell you, it’s hell to walk within and watch. And for what? So some stuff shirt sitting in a chair 3 thousand miles away can feel better about the topic? Sick, twisted and untruthful way to deal with it I assure you.

      When we turn an issue like reproductive rights/choice/abortion into a black and white issue…turning only to those cases who abuse the scenario as the ‘main’ of the whole…we delude ourselves and begin to walk into very dangerous and intrusive territory.

      I carry out a limited pro choice stance with caveats. It’s clear, concise and based on real information. No abortion after that 3 month mark…period. Health of mother is in danger due to trauma/accident…doesn’t belong in the abortion/choice debate…that is a health issue that should remain squarely within the medical field…and no where else. Underage abortion? Parents and or state need to be notified so they can pick up the sicko who impregnated a child. Up to three months a DNC should be available, certainly within incest and rape. No woman should be forced to carry a child when it comes through violence/abuse. Any woman who wishes to abort late term (late term abortion from 6ms to 9mos) should be placed within the mental health and medical health system for the protection of the healthy child. Any woman who is a serial pregnancy with serial abortions should be place immediately into mental health and prevented from becoming pregnant via medication. Contraception should be available for those of age of consent and capable of understanding the risks and benefits from using such a product. (Many doctors prescribe birth control to help thyroid, facial adult acne and other conditions not having remotely to do with reproductive rights..and yes insurance pays for it.)

      You see, abortion/choice/reproductive rights should be delved into an talked openly about. I believe we have more common ground on basic sense and rights then the governmental high hats will allow us to believe. Common sense approach will take more than 75% off the table as an issue…leaving only the moral/religious vs. the anti’s rhetoric to sift through.

      Never should one issue take over an election. From immigration, to choice/reproductive rights to entitlements to union labor to gay marriage seem to become a one issue focus that disallows the greater fuller debate for the benefit of the entire nation. We’ve got to come together in one voice and tell our government what we want…and begin paring down and openly talking with each other (not at each other) without hate or rhetoric inlaid in the conversation and find the common sense solutions to each of those issues I listed earlier.

      ~M

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

      These young women who demand “abortion on demand” do not see and are apparently too stupid to recognize how respect for life has declined in this country as a result of their stance. Have you noticed the number of live birth babies being found dead in dumpsters? WHY, when abortion is so freely available, would somebody choose this route? It is because the culture of DEATH has become so prevalent that many see no distinction between murdering a child BEFORE it is born, and murdering it AFTER it is born. Eventually, as others here have said, those women are going to grow older and become a burden on their children, and if this morally bankrupt culture of DEATH plays out in the direction it is headed, what few chldren they DO allow to be born will see nothing wrong with putting a pillow over Grandma’s face and “putting her out of her misery”.

      They simply do not understand how an evil, once allowed in, will expand and proliferate until it has poisoned EVERY area of life. It does not help that these young women have been “educated” in schools that have become little better than the Communist re-education camps of the Old Soviet Union. They think they know history, but they do not! They think they understand the Constitution, but they do NOT, because they have been taught leftwing LIES from grammar school on, and are so brainwashed they would not recognize the truth if it rose up and slapped them in the face. I have to admit that a strong desire to do so overwhelms me almost every time I hear one of these “educated” young women spouting the drivel they’ve been taught.

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    • Cape ConservativeComment by Cape Conservative
      November 13, 2012 @ 9:53 pm

      oleteabag…”…I have to admit that a strong desire to do so overwhelms me almost every time I hear one of these “educated” young women spouting the drivel they’ve been taught.”

      Seems we are on the same page…from Stephanie Cutter’s blatant lying throughout the recent election campaign to the two “educated” young mothers…both of whom appear to have lives many would envy…who are currently making news because of their belief that it is so uncool to be a faithful spouse or to set a good example for their children, I see nothing more than a total lack of morality in today’s young women (anonymous – if the shoe fits…)

      How the husbands and children (and parents…is there NO shame anymore?) of these two women can ever respect them is beyond me. There ARE consequences to one’s actions…a lesson we all learned long ago.

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  11. BobinmsComment by Bobinms
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:20 am

    I could not understand how it’s possible for married women to vote for Romney and single women to vote for Obama until I read that 40% of all births in this country are to single women.

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  12. nativetexanComment by nativetexan
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:31 am

    For nickster99 and everybody else. Marco Rubio is no more eligible to be POTUS than the current illegal alien is. Are we going to rewrite the Constitution much the same as the dumbos have done? I won’t and I will challenge the candidacy of a rubio or jindal or anyone else just as I did for the current illegal alien in office.

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:42 am

      Fellow Texan, right on! I am amazed at the quick trot to a double standard per Rubio by so many Republicans. It screams that the Constitution means not so very much.

      Rubio is just another slick ethnic pandering politico. At this LATE stage in existence for The Republic, we do not need such even if Constitutionally eligible. But I would not put it past The Stupid Party to field someone like Rubio, or Cristie…

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

      For Lwesson: Christie…. gads…that man! I don’t understand how an irreverent foul mouthed Jersey boy becomes some big star? Oh, that’s right, because the leaders of the GOP/RNC are a bunch of pasty faced milk toast males who won’t say what they mean…PC has ruined debate and most certainly taken the bite outta the fight when it comes to the one sided political circus we’ve endured for the 2nd time! It’s enough to make ya wanna run screaming from the room and go look for where all the other adults are hanging out! *><*

      Rubio, Jingdal, Christie, McCain, Romney… same guy, same motive, same ideology… and not one of um is gonna carry the nation in any POTUS election. Not gonna happen. We need a person who is a uniter who speaks for ALL American, regardless if they are red, blue, purple! What on earth would the GOP/RNC do with such a person? Run? Scream? Hide? Complain? All the above? Most likely.

      ~M

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    • oleteabagComment by oleteabag
      November 12, 2012 @ 1:59 pm

      You make an excellent point. The Constitution says a President shall be a “natural born citizen”, period. You cannot rail against an “illegal” (AKA not native born) candidate in another party, then advocate for an “illegal” (AKA not native born) candidate in your own party, because you like his politics better. Rubio was not born in this country, hence, regardless of his potential or leadership skills, he cannot be President OR Vice President. End of story.

      While I greatly admire Rubio and feel he has a much better grip on the concerns of the demographics the GOP cannot seem to attract, and far superior rhetorical skills to Romney, we can’t push him forward as a candidate for either office, because the Constitution forbids it. However, he could certainly teach the GOP candidate a thing or two about the changing demographic makeup of this country!

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      November 12, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

      mystic:

      Thanks. I am exhausted with what has passed as an “election”. I put this in quotation marks as my assumption is growing that a massive voting manipulation has/is taking place. Banana Republic, Forward!

      Second, the nomination process, and what passed as the best and brightest being offered up, had me shaking my head. Obama was blood in the water and all of these curious sharks pop out out, hoping for a shot. I mean, Rick Perry, or Cain 999, Gingrich… for God’s sake what is this? I am from Texas and Perry, sigh… he needed to stay home.

      Romney, a sharp guy intellectually, finally got the nod, but it was never a clear decisive nod. The GOP Leadership even thought it necessary to play tricks at the last moment in the Convention, to dump Ron Paul and his supporters off to the sidelines. That just alienated a dedicated group. Smart going GOP! Shades of what Ronald Reagan went through. Reagan was NOT liked by The Establishment.

      To Romney’s great credit, he allowed Clint Eastwood to go in unfiltered, unpasteurized, unhomogenized, bringing the ONLY vivid memorable image, and quotable words of that Convention. This drove the Left/Communists stark raving mad. The EMPTY CHAIR, will be long be recalled, and yet, the smooth pasty faced milk toast politico HACKS, got all dizzy…

      Paul Ryan was my pick for VP, having someone who understood the ugly massive wreck of the budget, not some smooth pandering politico. Romney did well here. RICH MONEY has an amusing post per repeats…

      It is just a guess, that the same Social Club that runs the GOP, will gravitate to someone that does not threaten the Establishment. (Romney might have been freed upon winning to become more independent. He had Robert Bork on his Judicial advisory list! That says something.)

      So here we are, looking at another 4 LONG years of someone who could not even get a National Security Clearance, holding onto power not deserved.

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    • chergui53Comment by chergui53
      November 12, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

      Jindal was born in the U.S. And if everyone’s amnesty propositions go through, Rubio will be able to run for prez.

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    • texasindComment by texasind
      November 12, 2012 @ 4:46 pm

      Rubio was born in Miami.

      Jindal was born in Baton Rouge.

      And much as it pains most of you on this site, Obama was born in Honolulu. Get over it.

      All three are constitutionally eligible to serve as President under any rational reading of Article Two and of the Fourteenth Amendment. What ambiguities might exist in some situations (such as McCain’s birth in the Panama Canal Zone or George Romney’s birth in Mexico, although prevailing thought is that they, too are/were natural born U.S. citizens) are not present for Rubio, Jindal and Obama.

      Even if the views on this site were not so extreme and out of touch with the overwhelming majority of Americans, the fabrication and insistence upon fanciful facts and ridiculous propositions (constitutional and otherwise) because of the commenters’ inability to cope with reality undermines any potential that they are of any use in carrying the conservative message to the people who need to be won over.

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      November 13, 2012 @ 7:19 am

      Texasind:

      If you fall for poorly done Photoshopped Birth Certificates with all sorts of laughable information, I guess Obama is your kind of man. So I will NOT, as you so smartly poof yourself up, “GET OVER IT”.

      You sound like you got an A+ in Commissar School, but really, they need to stress a toning down of indignation, superiority, lecturing. I recall Leftist Professors who did this all of the time. They never liked to be challenged, and I could see a Death Camp Look that they gave to me when I did.

      Ah Rubio. Cuban National parents, tex. Rubio was bald faced lying when he said his parents escaped Castro, they left a Cuba ruled by Batista, so he was born of Cuban National parents, Mister Constitutional Scholar. (Obama was a classmate?)

      McCain was born of US parents in a Zone controlled by the US. Funny how the LEFT tried to dispose of this Neo-Con early in the game using this tactic, when their Mystery Man, with ziplocked records was so blatantly naked in records, but not in Communist associations. At least McCain could get a National Security Clearance verses Obama.

      Mexican law does not bestow citizenship like magic, as we suicidally do here unconstitutionally, so Romney Sr. was still a US Citizen. I have not explored Jindal, yet, and like Rubio, his parents merit review.

      Again, in Commissar School, if they could buffer down the broad sweeping statements, like, “OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS”, to make your all too clever heel dig in deeper, you might fool more people.

      The LEFT is quite busy trying to redefine Republicans into a retarded twin of the Democratic Party. You have other sites to visit as your work is not done yet, but, nice try.

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  13. Comment by Anonymous
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:31 am

    Ivankenneally, according to most pollsters, I am pro-life. I oppose partial-birth abortion and late-term abortions, except to save the life of the mother. On the specific question of outlawing abortion even in cases of rape and incest, the public is opposed 85-15. Yet, that insane position is a plank in the Republican Party platform. Spend much less time worrying about how YOU can distinguish between a fertilized egg and a baby (it’s quite easy, actually)and more time understanding that women will insist on being the final arbiter.

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    • Cape ConservativeComment by Cape Conservative
      November 12, 2012 @ 10:13 pm

      Anonymous – Most women firmly believe that a fetus has no right to inhabit their bodies without consent.

      PLEASE SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! Remove the ‘most women’ from your comment if you wish to utter such stupid thoughts!

      As a woman who took PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to bring four children into this world and lovingly care for them – I find your take on life a bit odd.

      NO baby ever magically appears…if you don’t want one, then either practice abstinence or use birth control! Your phraseology…fetus inhabits is so far out it is laughable, if it weren’t so serious!

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  14. Comment by Anonymous
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:33 am

    No, rick_kalifornication, you may not suggest that a woman keep her legs crossed. Who do you think you are?

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    • BobinmsComment by Bobinms
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:40 am

      I see nothing wrong with keeping their legs crossed. It’s called responsibility and we would not have 40% of all births to single women who need government support to raise these kids.

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    • nativetexanComment by nativetexan
      November 12, 2012 @ 11:46 am

      Yes, anonymous, he can make that suggestion when you take money from big government for contraception, birth control information, medical assistance and any other handout you feel the government “owes” you. When you pay your own bills, then you can make that decision. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. When you conceive by your own choice or carelessness or stupidity, I will always stand on the side of the child you have brought into this world no matter what the age and location.

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    • rick_kalifornicationComment by rick_kalifornication
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

      It’s called personal responsbility, Anonymous and I’m entitled to point out the fallacy in your argument. It’s called a discussion.

      Your contention that a fetus is an intruder is as ludicrus as speeding down the highway well past the speed limit and blaming the highway patrol for giving you a ticket! It was your own fault. How do you think babies get in the womb to begin with? Osmosis???

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  15. nativetexanComment by nativetexan
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:37 am

    In response to another stupid comment from nickster99, murder is still murder. When women accept responsibility for their actions, then they can talk about the young life growing in “their” bodies. My suggestion is that if you don’t want life growing in your body, keep your legs together. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, REMEMBER. You are blessed by God with the sacred privilege of procreation. If you can’t handle or don’t want that responsibility, then do us all a favor and remove the problem permanently. You and society will benefit greatly.

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  16. David MadisonComment by David Madison
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:38 am

    “the GOP is the natural political home for Latinos: social-religious conservatism, abortion, same sex marriage…”

    How is this “doubling down” on conservatism? Abortion is falling rapidly in “popularity” particularly among younger voters. “Choice” isn’t about having a choice; it’s about ending a human life for the sake because of, (in the majority of cases), inconvenience.

    Doubled down conservatism is the natural home of same-sex marriage? I don’t know who’s been tampering with your kool-aid but, these issues are not “conservative.” (I strongly suspect your kool-aid was used as a filter for some opiate-laced hashish before you drank it and wrote this article.

    Illegals do come here for entitlement: The very fact that they are willing to “break-in” to America says they want to have, without having to ask for it or earn it – it’s called scruples; something law-breakers generally lack a meaningful supply of.

    Those who go through the process of applying for entrance and citizenship are the ones who are looking to assimilate, and share in the American dream; rather than just take what they can get before they get caught and sent back to their (now well stocked) casa.

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  17. David MadisonComment by David Madison
    November 12, 2012 @ 11:41 am

    Hell, now the GOP is using double-speak.

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  18. bna42Comment by bna42
    November 12, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

    “At its best, the conservative message is one of hope and personal freedom in the happy service of family, country, and God.”

    I firmly believe this is exactly WHY the U.S. population ignores the Republican party. More than half of them put their hope in government existence, they have voted for years to surrender their personal freedom, the traditional family has been marginalized and discredited, love of country (patriotism) has taken a back seat to selfishness, and God has been removed from public society. But the liberals and their supporting media try to convince us that the only way the GOP is going to survive is to abandon its principles and beliefs and become all-inclusive, which is exactly what the Democrat party has done. Why should the Republican party accept advice from a party who voted to remove God from their party platform?

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:58 pm

      Yes! perfectly posted! One has to wonder if the media (lame stream) isn’t drooling over the prospect of turning the GOP into the DNC proper so the DNC proper can go even further left so the appearance of two party choice is apparent, but not real. I’m betting the MSM pundits will all have to start wearing bibs to catch all that drool.

      A better and wiser plan is for all of those with core conservative principles who enjoy small government and personal freedom to begin a true and honest dialog with one another…find our common ground, and build a new house from there. I understand I am being simplistic..but I’m a simple gal who understands that complicated anything rarely if ever gets the job done. Time to bring it home, open the tent up, and get ourselves right within our party and then come out as one united voice and hit um where they are weakest…Truth, Facts, Hard evidence, and Reality!

      Gee, I think I just found the formula to win in 2016…what’da think? *><*

      ~M

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    • Cape ConservativeComment by Cape Conservative
      November 13, 2012 @ 10:00 pm

      M – it would be a winner in my book…however I fear those in the Republican ‘establishment’ already have their (LOSING) game plan in place and will once again IGNORE the large majority of Americans who answer the polling question the same way over and over again…’how do you consider yourself’ CONSERVATIVE!

      I am so sick and tired of the Democrat way…DIVIDE & CONQUER…if we could get one message out, it would be to represent ALL AMERICANS, no matter their origin, race, religion or sex! Follow the principles of our founding fathers and unite for a better Republic!

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  19. shredderComment by shredder
    November 12, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

    The reason that the GOP lost this election is not because of Romney or their lack of inclusion. Obama won because of his unabashed bribery of certain growing segments of our society who are willing to sell their votes, and souls, in order to get their piece of the pie, ‘free’ healthcare (no matter how bad), and gov’t giveaways. They don’t realize, or care, that it is taxpayer dollars, taken by threat of imprisonment, that enable this bribery.
    One part of society has been trained since birth to go for the easy take. Another part, once proud, hard working, wanting a better life than what was available to them elsewhere, worked toward citizenship and assimilation. That has degraded to stealing across the border, then demanding that they received what citizens have worked for. They have learned to play the game. None of them realizing or caring that the golden goose is exhausted.
    The pigeons want more. The democrats promise more. But the providers have no more to give.

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    • LardoComment by Lardo
      November 12, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

      “But the providers have no more to give.”

      And the Democrats know it. (Not that they ever really cared.) But their hope is, that by the time the “people” realize it, their power will be so entrenched, that it will be too late.

      They may be right about that.

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  20. braines57Comment by braines57
    November 12, 2012 @ 12:43 pm

    I am a single mom who has raised two daughters, for the most part, on my own, and I have some personal thoughts, as a single woman and a single mom, about the whole issue of abortion. An unwed teen girl does not engage in sex first and foremost for the joy of sex, though she might try to convince herself that that is the real reason. It is about validation and self-esteem – the same reason for reaching for drugs and alcohol and even cigarettes. All of the condoms in the world are not going instill into these young women self-esteem. When one of these young women find themselves pregnant, the first thought is the stigma which will still attach itself to them, so they cling to the false hope that a legal abortion will take away this “thing” or “fetus” (which we know is a life), but to them is now seen as a threat to their future, as well as their tenuous self-esteem. They want to be viewed as “modern and mature young women who make their own choices.” Think for just a moment about the word “choice” as opposed to another word “responsibility”. Teens will opt for a “choice” every time over “responsibility” – it is the outcome of their age, hormones, maturity, etc. (I don’t mean abortion when I say choice in this example). In the past, the Rep party has been portrayed as the party that preaches “responsibility”. (Which in and of itself is not bad, but it is not the right response to “choice”.) Bill O’Reilly asked a question the other night about two women, both early thirties, one single and one married: why does the single one vote Dem and the married one vote Rep? In order to answer that question, I’m going to throw out a couple more words: “security” and “strength”. Women, regardless of marital status, place a great deal of importance on both of these concepts. The Rep party can allow the Dems to continue to be the party of “choice”; however, at the same time we need to portray ourselves as the party of “opportunity”. (Which we truly are!) The party that recognizes a woman’s “strength” and the party that will provide the “opportunity” for her future “security”. This would attract both women, single and married. It just needs to be packaged and communicated properly. Intead of being the ones who take away a woman’s “choice”, we should focus on being the party which recognizes a woman’s “strength”, offer more “opportunities” and thus enable her “security”. More and more women are becoming small business owners, because they see it as a way to obtain opportunity faster than knocking against the corporate glass ceiling. We are the party of small busines owners – we just need to communicate this. As for the other issue raised here – immigration – we need to find something more palatable than “amnesty” which leaves most of us true conservatives with the same bad taste as “Obamacare”. We should start working on a plan which would allow illegal aliens who have been here and given birth to children here to have a pathway to citizenship. Use criteria such as “productivity” and “assimilation” as cornerstones for this pathway for older immigrants. People who have been productive during their time here – working and providing for their family. People who have assimilated to our country and culture by learning the language instead of expecting us to learn theirs. Younger immigrants who have come here can have a pathway to citizenship through those same cornerstones with one additional one: active military service. If they really want to become American citizens, let them be willing to fight for the freedoms to which they aspire. These are not new concepts, as any student of American history will easily recognize. This could be the platform which would reach the hispanic voters without compromising our values and integrity.

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 12, 2012 @ 1:03 pm

      *clap clap clap* Wow! Really blew my socks off! Posted beautifully! Couldn’t have put it better had I been asked. Well done! well done indeed!

      Your daughters are very fortunate to have a well spoken, well edified mother at their backs…they are gonna need it over their lifetimes. Bravo for doing such a great job Mom! (as one Mom to another… very impressive!)

      ~M

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      November 12, 2012 @ 1:18 pm

      “We should start working on a plan which would allow illegal aliens who have been here and given birth to children here to have a pathway to citizenship. Use criteria such as “productivity” and “assimilation” as cornerstones for this pathway for older immigrants. People who have been productive during their time here – working and providing for their family. People who have assimilated to our country and culture by learning the language instead of expecting us to learn theirs. Younger immigrants who have come here can have a pathway to citizenship through those same cornerstones with one additional one: active military service.”

      braines57,

      NO! We HAVE established procedures for a “pathway to citizenship”. We can not reward illegal aliens who violated our laws by entering the country since they became criminals the minute they set foot on U.S. soil. Anyone who wants to take advantage of our “citizenship pathway” must do it LEGALLY by applying to the U.S. government for legal entry.

      We tried this amnesty program in the early 1980′s when we only had 4 million illegal aliens. We granted them amnesty and were promised that the borders would be secured and this problem would not happen again. But 30 years later the borders have not been secured and our illegal alien problem is 4-5 times as large as before.

      It is ridiculous that we have allowed millions of criminals to violate our immigration laws and sneak into the U.S. while all these liberal amnesty organizations start defending them and demanding that they have the same rights as citizens. The citizen taxpayers have been forced to provide the illegals with health care, education for their children, and government assistance while they refuse to assimilate into our culture, learn our language, or do anything except demand more benefits.

      Why don’t you try to enter any other country illegally and see what happens? Do you understand that even Mexico has stringent laws against illegal aliens?

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    • mysticComment by mystic
      November 12, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

      For Bna42: I understand and agree with the base premise of your post. Question: What’s the real world answer to this specific issue?

      As I’ve posted again and again in all of these hot button present day issues that have been languishing within our political process since the late 70′s early 80′s, how do we approach, dissect, and implement solutions that will actually make a difference within the topic?

      Growing up a So Cal girl, I watched my parents sponsor those who wished to come here legally. These proud people worked, studied, learned the language and became American’s over a period of 3 to 7 years. For some reason, that system is now over burdened to the point of failing. So what’s the answer?

      My youngest college aged daughter has been held back three semesters in a row in completing a AA/AS duel degree. Why? Simple, California is a test case for Obama’s “Dream Act”. This new population that over runs our public schools, our public health care facility’s, our welfare and entitlement programs are no longer the people my parents helped back in the 70′s. They are now people fleeing a horrific nation that has beaten them into a corner and now looks to us to care for them as if it is our duty and responsibility.

      Why are these people not fighting and fixing their home nation? Why are they coming here. One would have to be deluded and drinking some serious Jim Jones Kool Aide to believe their nation is unfix-able; that they are incapable of fighting for their nation; That these people simply want a better opportunity and life that only America can provide. I don’t believe that any of that is the case….anymore. I believe it was once true and could be held up and proven by the antiseptic light of day. Now? Now I see a group angry, demanding rights by American’s to see them as Mexican nationals who want their 2 dollars..and are willing to beat us into PC submission in order to get it. Their forefathers have got to be rolling over in their graves!

      One solution… and it’s tiny: children brought here by their parents at a young age. Issue them a resident card and set them on the path to citizenship (if they want it), making sure they are following our laws, background check, medical and mental health check in order to become a citizen. Service within our military…sure..but only after step one above has been completed.

      It’s small I know…however it is a workable and doable solution for part of the problem.

      Anyone else with a good idea…spit um out… now is the time to find our common and workable/practical solutions for a huge issue that is now not just a East Coast/West Coast issue…Middle America is being introduced by thousands per current new article by the AP Friday… I suggest we figure it out before all out amnesty or all out deportation is taken into consideration.

      Btw: Would a embargo or tax upon Mexico help this situation at all? Meaning those who take entitlements here…can we deduct or fine or tax Mexico and her products as a way to recoup those monies spent specifically on their population? Would that work? One more idea: (sorry…got diarrhea of idea’s this morning)Would incorporating Mexico (like Puerto Rico) into the USA to solve the insolvency of maintenance of their indigenous people help or hurt us? Idea’s? Thoughts? Hang um out there people…can’t do anything but edify the conversation at this point.

      ~M.

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    • braines57Comment by braines57
      November 13, 2012 @ 10:48 am

      bna42 – Just for the record, I do not nor would I ever advocate that anyone here illegally be granted citizenship if they have ever engaged in any sort of criminal activity. It would go without saying that they would have to pass a stringent background check. I am probably much more conservative than many who post here in that I believe in strict enforcement of our borders. However, some of the very things you mention – costs for schooling and healthcare for example for illegal aliens – those expenses are ruining many of our state economies. If we could figure out a way to “separate the wheat from the chaff” so to speak, by providing a pathway for those who wish to obtain citizenship legitimately, even though they originally came here illegally, we can then at the same time advocate for much more stringent laws to punish future illegals. We could take the money saved by converting these people from aliens to citizens who are required to pay taxes and use it to beef up our borders. Think how much money would be saved if we required them to be able to speak and read English? If this whole notion really bothers you, I would suggest you study U.S. history with respect to the development of the Erie Canal and the railroads, just for starters. See how we treated the many “illegal aliens” from Ireland and China who came here to work on those and other big projects. There is a way to compromise with an opposing side without compromising your values. Our leaders need to remember how that is done. Another point I would make is that it is better to come up with your own solution to a problem rather than have the opposing side ram one down your throat that violates all of your values. Like it or not, that is how this country was forged. Go back and read the transcripts from the first Continental Congress if you don’t believe me. The moderate of the time – Benjamin Franklin – was almost at death’s door, yet he was petitioned by both sides to come and forge the compromise which led to the creation and approval of our original Constitution because neither side would give an inch. President Ronald Reagan was a true visionary – a man who truly appreciated the qualities which make our country special – and I can guarantee that if he were still alive, he would propose some sort of compromise on this issue which would retain our key values rather than lose the whole issue.

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  21. texasindComment by texasind
    November 12, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

    Just keep this up if you don’t want my vote (although it doesn’t much matter in Texas). I am a white male independent business operator in my 50s, maybe less conservative than most of my contemporaries, but much much more so than a majority of swing-state voters. You can stand uncompromisingly by your principles, which are too far “out there” for people like me and definitely so for those to my left, and you will never get a majority. Any time I am on the fence, the Republicans have big problems

    The only reason Romney got my vote this time is that I became convinced during the debates that he would not stand by many of his “seriously conservative” positions in the Republican primaries. So I had to choose between Obama and a Republican candidate who I believed did not really mean what he had said, and I chose the latter, but just barely. The Republicans have to offer a better choice than that. If Gingrich had been the nominee, I might have voted for him for the same reason as Romney. If Santorum or Bachman had been the nominee, I would have voted for Obama because the Republican was too conservative (“out there”). I am not so sure about Perry and Cain, who worried me as not being qualified, but I am pretty sure I would have chosen them over Obama if they did not implode.

    Give me a Reagan, a Nixon, a Ford, a Dole, a Bush or an Eisenhower, and it’s a no-brainer. There are several possibilities for 2016 who fit this pattern.

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    • GHUComment by GHU
      November 12, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

      So, being “too” Conservative on moral issues is “out there”? Out where? Defending innocent life as well as what is best for the mother and father is not “out there”. Killing an unborn baby for any reason and using my tax money to do it is “out there”. Redefining marriage and the family and the foundation of any society is “out there”. But you and your “moderate” Republicans keep up the demonization of Social Conservatives and we will see how long the Republican Party lasts. Sad, very sad.

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    • suzy2Comment by suzy2
      November 12, 2012 @ 2:08 pm

      Fact is, all said is irrelevant. The entire election was one big planned fraud. Rigged from the beginning. Romeny would have and should have won. They have already discovered massive fraud in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Philly and more, not to mention the plane that supposedly crashed and no one reported to die, and all Military ballots were burned. How convenient. This administration can not be trusted. they are a walking pack of lies. Obama belongs in prison!

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    • texasindComment by texasind
      November 12, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

      If the views that are predominating here continue to prevail in the Republican party nationally, the Republican party will disappear and be replaced by a more moderate conservative party, though possibly over multiple losing, deteriorating election cycles while the [not so] Grand Old Party is replaced by the Grand New Party. I am optimistic, though, that the Republican Party will moderate itself significantly by 2014 and 2016 in the wake of blowing what should have had landslide national wins in the Presidential, Senate and House elections. Reagan would NEVER have been so immoderate and uncompromising as would most all of the commentators I see on this site. Not in his political deal making as President. Not in the positions he would take with the voters. Same is true of Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush 41 and Bush 43. What was so awful about these Republican Presidents, especially given the alternatives?

      GHU,
      If you think the viewpoints on this site are mainstream, you are indeed in the conservative media bubble. For example, lots of people like me are strongly opposed to “abortion in demand,” but find it ludicrous to suggest that a victim of rape, especially of the forcible type, should be compelled by the state to carry a resulting pregnancy to term, and are troubled by the state denying the right of the woman to have an election for an abortion in some other limited circumstances. That may contradict your view of what is “moral,” but a lot of thoughtful people concerned about morality feel otherwise, more, I believe, than agree with you.

      Suzy 2,
      Maybe there were some election shenanigans here and there. There always are (on both sides). If you think that any such thing changed the outcome this time, you are living in looney land. You, too, have to get out of the bubble. Sadly, most voters (though not from around where I live) favored Obama over Romney, and it’s not a matter of the failure of Republicans to “double down” on conservative principles.

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  22. gm1919Comment by gm1919
    November 12, 2012 @ 2:23 pm

    If we don’t double down, who will? The democrats(socialists)? I think not.

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  23. gm1919Comment by gm1919
    November 12, 2012 @ 2:27 pm

    Sick of hearing 53% of conservatives in U S. Where the hell are they? Where were the 55% of Obamacare opponents?

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    • ladydaiComment by ladydai
      November 13, 2012 @ 2:34 pm

      They stayed at home. Conservatives are the picky group. If they do not get the perfect candidated thye do not vote or vote third party. We had a very devisive primary. Obama was able to use some of the attacks made against Romney in his campaign.
      Have you noticed how the Dems stick together no matter what? They may have hate toward each other but always come together….Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry.
      Not the Reps..oh no…McCain was a much weaker candidate than Romney but managed to get more votes. I believe that Romney would have been just the presidentt we need but feared it would be difficult to get Conservatives to come out and vote. Some did not like him being Mormon…did they like Obama’s Rev. Wright better? Romney governed as a conservative in Mass. But we were told he was a moderate or even a liberal.
      We can get the best candidates possible but we will lose unless we unite behind them and get out and vote for them and stop being the pickiest group ever. It does not help just being convervative, we must vote.

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  24. nax777Comment by nax777
    November 12, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

    “if conservatives are to make any gains with the changing landscape of American voters, they have to dial down conservatism, and shuffle a few steps to the left.” Are you going to keep sticking with this walking backwards in order to go forward Pub voters? This tired quote is as old and tired as “nowhere else to go”, “must start somewhere” and the seemingly favorite “it’s better than”! So are you Pub voters going to keep shuffling a few more steps to the left which leads to the destruction of the US?
    The Pub Party has gone from moderate left in the 80’s to the left and lately call for their voters to support extreme left. http://www.numbersusa.com / http://www.goooh.com

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  25. nax777Comment by nax777
    November 12, 2012 @ 2:50 pm

    In more news… Yes, the right direction. A larger Latino Socialist block, a larger Asian Socialist block and don’t forget a larger Muslim Sharia Law block. The African-American block is literally shrinking not just being outnumbered just like the Native-American and Caucasian-American. (2010 US census)
    Guess which voter blocks are becoming more and more un-important and were it will lead the Parties.
    Yes, this makes complete sense. Increase the grossly unsustainable mass immigration numbers, both legal and illegal. This way the two Party system can give us choices over leaders like Ahmadinejad, Chávez and Kim Jong-Il. Such leaders will be Mayors and Governors.
    Yes it’s better to be overthrown by unarmed citizens than an armed military. Since our leaders not only did nothing to prevent grossly unsustainable mass illegal immigration numbers they made legal immigration numbers even larger than the illegal numbers.
    Many have been elected since the early 90’s because of their strong stance to reduce both legal and illegal immigration numbers. Most did not walk-it like they talked-it. Government leaders in all three Houses for decades are guilty of plotting and committed acts to overthrow the Federal Government.
    To use the US system of governance against its people and government required one devastating last step, overpopulation via immigration. Yes, it’s time to surrender to socialism and Sharia.
    If immigration numbers remained the constant that they were in 1980 (the last year before mass legal immigration began) US population growth would have never reached 250 million and start a decline in 2040 if birth rates remained the same, less than two children per woman.
    Source; US census from 1970 to present, the decline is a different issue that could have been resolved without increasing immigration rates. Annual immigration replacement numbers have never exceeded 250,000 and have been over one million since 1985.
    If you have not noticed my “yes” statements are sarcastic. I take no comfort in knowing that most will fail and will not encourage anyone to join the majority.
    http://www.numbersusa.com / http://www.goooh.com

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    • lwessonComment by lwesson
      November 12, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

      nax777:

      Many simply have been trained to look the other way on this killer issue. The Communists have been very frank about repopulating the country, tearing down our morals, our heritage… . Well done Mister Commie!

      Useful idiots, Lyndon Johnson & Teddy Kennedy set the suicidal 1965 Immigration “Reform” Act into motion, replacing my Father’s America with something that is unrecognizable to the likes that braved World War 2. Teddy, is it warm enough for ye now? Lyndon likes being out of the Texas heat, no doubt.

      Johnson doubles down with his Great Society–War on Poverty, BS which ensured a lock tight grip on those that latched onto the Nanny State. Johnson was glib about this treason to ensure dependable voters and eventual domination.

      And of the Republicans? If they were not assisting this, they were not stopping this. The Cheap Labor Lobby, like The American Chamber of Commerce, or The Wall Street Journal, just cheered on the influx of cheap labor, open borders, Green Cards… . Cheap as in, they do not have to pay for all of the social costs… and cannot think about the ultimate consequences.

      And then you have Nixon & Henry Kissinger in Communist China, opening up a Pandora’s Box that would eventually denude us of countless jobs, factories, and bring Communist China into super power status. Thanks guys!

      I seriously wonder if all the boys that were being ripped to shreds at Iwo Jima or Omaha Beach… would look at this mess, and then give up their lives, their bodies? Dad, a US Navy WW2 Vet. who nearly lost his life, was not the least bit amused on his last years about what was left of what he fought for. Another US Navy Vet, who is still with us, is beyond furious. And we kids get to live on and on for awhile longer in Twilight Zone America.

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