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Obama Steps in as Holder Contempt Vote Looms

By GOPUSA Staff

Rather than turning over the documents requested by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee regarding the "Fast and Furious" investigation, Attorney General Eric Holder has found refuge in Barack Obama. Obama is now claiming "executive privilege" in refusing to turn over the documents. This led to a most contentious debate on Capitol Hill.

From Fox News:

Rep. Darrell Issa pressed ahead with a committee vote Wednesday to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, despite an 11th-hour move by President Obama to exert executive privilege over the Fast and Furious documents at the heart of the dispute.

The announcement touched off a caustic debate on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that lasted into the afternoon, as Democrats accused Issa of prosecuting a "political witch hunt" and Republicans stepped up their criticism of Holder's "stonewalling" over the Fast and Furious probe. Even for Washington, the tone at the hearing was decidedly bitter and accusatory.

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee was first informed of the president's decision to exert executive privilege in a letter Wednesday morning, shortly before the contempt vote was scheduled.

The Associated Press reports that a Justice Department official claims " the executive privilege applies to documents that explain how the department learned there were problems with an investigation in Arizona of gun-running into Mexico, called Operation Fast and Furious."

At the start of a hearing, Issa called the president's action "an untimely" assertion of privilege. The committee was later to vote on whether to cite Holder for contempt of Congress for failing to turn over the documents. If the panel approved that, the contempt citation would then go to the full House. Technically, if the full House approved, there could be a federal case against Holder, but history strongly suggests the matter won't get that far.

"The president has asserted executive privilege," Deputy Attorney General James Cole said in the letter to Issa. "We regret that we have arrived at this point, after the many steps we have taken to address the committee's concerns and to accommodate the committee's legitimate oversight interests."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, raised another question after the president invoked the privilege.

"Until now, everyone believed that the decisions regarding `Fast and Furious' were confined to the Department of Justice. The White House decision to invoke executive privilege implies that White House officials were either involved in the `Fast and Furious' operation or the cover-up that followed," said Boehner's press secretary Brendan Buck. "The administration has always insisted that wasn't the case. Were they lying, or are they now bending the law to hide the truth?"

The more this investigation goes on, the worse it looks for Holder and the entire Obama administration.

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  1. mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
    June 20, 2012 @ 1:59 pm

    All the documents regarding the actual operation have been turned over. This was a low-level operation that was not planned in the White House and that Obama and Holder probably only became aware of after it failed so spectacularly. The GOP now wants to go on a fishing expedition among the documents to see whether they can paint the White House or the Department of Justice as having tried to prevent this from becoming a political embarassment. Where was all this outrage when BILLIONS of dollars in cash and weapons went missing in Iraq & Afghanistan under the Bush administration? Yes, pallots of bundled $100 bills earmarked to pacify local warlords went missing. This story was completely buried and never came to light in the mainstream media, but was reported. Where was the GOP outrage? Their outrage now is simply more of the cheap politics we have come to expect from the Tea Party characters who believe in winning at any cost because the opposition aren’t really Americans anyway, especially that Obama who was born in Kenya… (or was it Indonesia?)

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    • jrp34Comment by jrp34
      June 20, 2012 @ 2:28 pm

      The thugs in the executive branch who committed this crime are about to be exposed at long last.

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    • mikehoustonComment by mikehouston
      June 20, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

      mikeinnyc, you are so full of ****. There have been so many lies by holder that he is having trouble keeping them straight. And now the “executive privilege” move just makes obama appear guilty. How high up did the operation go, and more to the point “the cover-up”. The truth will eventually come out, and hopefully the guilty individuals will get what they deserve (be they Republican or Democrat).

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    • justamomComment by justamom
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

      “The GOP now wants to go on a fishing expedition among the documents to see whether they can paint the White House or the Department of Justice as having tried to prevent this from becoming a political embarassment.”

      Then what’s the problem? If Holder and Big-O did nothing wrong, didn’t try to cover it up, then they have nothing to worry about, right?

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    • librabobComment by librabob
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

      “This was a low-level operation”… that would not have required the Attorney General’s consent or even knowledge. Are you that naive Mike? This plan involved allowing large numbers of automatic weapons to be smuggled into Mexico by the drug cartel without the knowledge of that country. Do you really think some low level ATF career employee or manager would make a decision like that on his own? Something that all government employees understand and practice religiously is the concept of “CYA”. The approval of an operation like this would have been blessed by the AG himself. This is why he is refusing to release the documentation being requested by congress.

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    • mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:03 pm

      Right, Mom. So let’s start the special prosecutor to fish through the Tea Party congress and expose their obstruction of the economic recovery to aid their election chances. They have nothing to hide, right?

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    • mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:06 pm

      Yes, Librabob, that does sound like something a career ATF employee would come up with. Just like the plan drawn up by another ATF career employee that killed all those people at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco 20 years ago.

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    • gunsmokeComment by gunsmoke
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

      Where in the H__ll did you get your information, what do you think this whole thing is all about with the Contempt Charges ???? For your information the Documents and most of All the items which are being sought after by this Committee has been withheld by HOLDER and the Justice Departmwnt….. whereever you are getting your information from, you had better start looking elsewhere, as it is NOT and I repeat NOT Accurate…… With Obama now stepping in as he has, means he is invovled or is trying to cover-up what and whom is involved……No other explanation can say it any other way…. Holder is as guilty as SIN and DO NOT try to tell anyone any other way, with the information you recieve as FALSELY as Operation Fast & Furious was to us ALL…..
      GOD BLESS AMERICA !

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    • justamomComment by justamom
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

      Even if I stipulated that having policies designed to disrupt economic recovery was deliberately done by the Tea Party, that isn’t a crime. So it’s not even comparable, even if I accepted your premise (which I don’t). Fast and furious IS a crime and so should be investigated. So, your logic fails there by attempting to conflate two incomparables. Further, your logic also fails because even if the Tea Party did what you said AND even if it WERE a crime (which it’s not)….that still would not make F&F not a crime and it still would not in any way logically follow that the principals shouldn’t be investigated. So your logic fails there, too. Sorry.

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

      mikeinnyc.

      Your argument might have been valid BEFORE Obama declared executive privilege, but not now. However, the “executive privilege will not stand up here because the definition excludes “documents involving a potential criminal charge”. Surely you have enough common sense to understand that Fast & Furious was definitely a criminal activity because the ATF had registered gun dealers to sell weapons to straw buyers who then allowed them to walk across the border into Mexico. IF there were 2,000 guns involved then there were 2,000 crimes sanctioned by the federal government. There is no “political witch hunt” because the people who approved this need to be prosecuted for the murder of Bryan Terry.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

      mikeinnyc:
      What are you, a paid stooge for the Obama administration? Did you think Nixon was being framed too, or weren’t you around then? I love the way you change the subject by diverting it to the Tea Party and things that happened when Bush was President which are totally irrelevant to this issue. This scandal is going to doom Obama and Holder from ever holding office again, and you’re going to be crying all the way to the bank to cash your welfare check. My God, are you out to lunch!

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    • CharlieComment by vietnamvet
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

      mikeinnyc said, “All the documents regarding the actual operation have been turned over.”

      mikeinnyc,
      The documents that Obama has hidden under executive privilege are those generated AFTER February 4, 2011. That was when Holder submitted the letter saying the DOJ had no involvement in Fast & Furious. Those documents hold the conversations between ‘the guilty’ up to the time when they retracted the pack of lies in that first letter.

      Now, it appears that Holder has asked that ALL Fast & Furious documents be hidden.

      I guess that means Obama will put them in the same vault with his ‘real’ birth certificate … and all of his other unseen records.

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    • dwschoComment by dwscho
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

      mikeinnyc, Enjoying that Kool Aid are you?

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    • Rich MoneyComment by Rich Money
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

      Mike in lala land:
      What obstruction has the GOP provided to economic recovery? Failing to approve another blank check for Obama to spend on his cronies, like the first “stimulus” package? Yep…we see how well that boondoggle did in improving the economy. Over 2/3 of the $787B spent STILL is in limbo; no one knows where it went. The GOP in Congress are doing their job; providing a check and balance to the megalomaniac in the White House. Now let’s look at “Fast and Furious.” Political witch hunt? Not hardly. Several innocent civilians and at least one Border Patrol agent were KILLED using guns illegally obtained in Mexico as part of “Fast and Furious.” What was the purpose of arming drugs lords and thugs in Mexico? To make it look like the arms dealers in the US would sell to anybody, to give Obama and his gun-control nuts ammunition to try to get tougher gun control passed. Unfortunately for Holder and his boss, the gun owners sniffed out what was going on and kept detailed records including who told them to sell the guns to these thugs anyway. Those agents and supervisors at the ATF also kept detailed records about where the permission came from; what has been called the Potomac two-step, or as someone else duly noted CYA. Now Holder has stonewalled the Congressional investigation, refusing to turn over most of the documents requested by Congress, and Obama is stepping in to try to protect him. Now why would Obama do this unless the White House was directly involved in this kluster***k? Once again the president of the USA acts as if the law of the land doesn’t apply to him at all. I hope that Congress grows a set and starts impeachment proceedings over this latest in a long line of abuses of presidential power by this usurper. People are dead who shouldn’t be because Holder and Obama wanted to try to appease the tree-hugging anti-gun whack jobs, and they should both be brought up on charges of accessory before the fact and conspiracy to commit murder.

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    • johnnyonenoteComment by johnnyonenote
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

      In reply to mikeinnyc let me just say that you are an obvious libtard troll. First how could you possibly know that all the documents have been turned over? But most importantly, a border patrol agent has been killed by one of these guns. This not some simple screwup that can go by the boards. Now that Barry has invoked executive privilege it shows there is much hidden. Weasel Holder must learn he is not above the law. Nor is Barry!
      …1/20/13…the end of an error…!

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    • mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
      June 20, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

      Rich Money, old White man from the 1% in the country club: The GOP killed the nascent economic recovery by refusing the raise the debt ceiling until the 11th hour. I work for a large bank. For the better part of a year, no one was going to lend money, start any new business, expand an existing one or hire anyone when they didn’t know whether the money would abruptly be worth only the paper it was printed on. The GOP then had their minions, like the people posting here, circulate the ‘truth’ that this increased debt ceiling was needed for ‘all of Obama’s spending’ when it was really only to pay for the spending that the previous House had authorized; Congress controls the purse strings. You may be old enough to remember the Iran Contra affair: Oliver North sold state-of-the-art, anti-aircraft missiles to Iran and used the money to replace the missiles and the profits to fund the Contra rebels in Nicaragua after Congress cut off their funds in the Boland amendment. Unfortunately, the only people with the infrastructure to deliver the weapons and supplies to the Contras were the drug cartels. The C-130s flying down there at the behest of Oliver North (and President Reagan who hid his involvment behind executive privilege) brought back cocaine that was then sold on the streets of US cities, as exposed by the San Jose Mercury News and the New York Times. What about all the deaths and crimes committed during the sale and distribution of that cocaine? Where was the Republican outrage? Instead, their outrage focused on defending the Presidential pardons for all those concerned. You people are such hypocrites; you make me ill.

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      June 20, 2012 @ 4:17 pm

      Still can’t stick to the topic, can you mike? You just keep rehashing history as if one wrong justifies another. Keep it up, mike. Keep telling us how bad we Republicans are if you think it furthers your argument. Far be it from any of us to burst your bubble.

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    • Texas GuyComment by Texas Guy
      June 20, 2012 @ 4:59 pm

      mikeinnyc, surely you are not going to try to defend David Koresh and his band of child-molesting thugs, are you? As far as I’m concerned, the mistake there was not going in sooner than they did. He needed to be stopped. Period. I’m sorry so many innocent lives were lost, but they were there voluntarily or because their weak, gullible, misguided and mentally incompetent parents were part of the conspiracy. I think the actions of the ATF that day saved a lot of lives. But you wouldn’t considere that, would you?

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      June 20, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

      Texas Guy, I have to give you kudos for being the first person I’ve heard (or seen, I’m not sure what the correct term is here) who hasn’t done a historical revision on the Branch Davidian incident and made the government out to be the bad guys. It seems like a pretty popular thing to do among conservatives, and I hate to say that, seeing as how I am a conservative myself. BTW, we’ve talked (or communicated, again with the terminology) in the past, have we not?

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    • vevaComment by veva
      June 20, 2012 @ 5:13 pm

      There is a legal group investigating F&F. Go to http://www.JudicialWatch.org to learn about it. There is likely a Mexican attorney and one other Border Patrol Agent killed with these guns ‘walked’ across the border. Also, over 4000 civilian Mexicans have died at the hands/orders of the drug cartels, not far from the border. Too many have died for anyone to say the DOJ and the boss is not involved, and should not be investigate!

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      June 20, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

      Another U.S. citizen, Jaime Zapata, an ICE agent, was killed with one of the AK-47′s Holder allowed into Mexico. His family has filed a $25 million suit against the federal government naming FBI director Mueller as well as AG Eric Holder along with several other agency leaders in their suit. I don’t think Fast & Furious is going to go away any time soon.

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    • tejanoangelComment by tejanoangel
      June 20, 2012 @ 7:16 pm

      Wow, Mr. Mikeinnyc, those are a lot of assumptions on your part. So you think Obama and Holder knew nothing about Operation Fast and Furious at any time—at no time? You think Fast and Furious was a “low-level operation”—much-to-do-about-nothing? You see a comparison of Fast and Furious to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—so Fast and Furious is Bush’s fault? Looking back in history, maybe Watergate was a “low-level operation.” Maybe Nixon knew nothing at any time, at no time?

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    • genesalComment by genesal
      June 20, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

      If thousands of guns going to gang/cartel members was a low level operation then they had screwed up priorities and need to be outed and held accountable, it shouldn’t have been low level and they are idiots. If it was high level then they were incompetent and should be held accountable. If they were trying to make a 2nd Amendment case against Americans then ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE! Either way the O administration will end up looked at being the un-American incompetent fools that they are.

      Holder keeps recanting and changing his story:
      Friday, the feds disclosed documents that show that despite Holder’s claim during congressional testimony that he’d only learned of F&F “a few weeks” earlier (a claim later amended to “a couple of months”), he has known (or should have known) about it all along.

      Rep Lamar Smith, Texas says a Special counsel must investigate Eric Holder.
      I agree.

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    • Texas GuyComment by Texas Guy
      June 20, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

      LAPhil: yes, we have had a dialogue in the past. It’s been a while. Since I retired I don’t have spare time like I used to when I was working. I wish we could communicate on a more personal, one-on-one basis, but of course I am not about to post any personal information here. If you can figure out a way for us to do that, I am wide open to the possibility. If you will remember, I asked you at one point how someone with your conservative views could live in LA. :-)

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      June 20, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

      Right, I remember now, we were calling it lalaland (which does fit). When I went to vote in our primary a couple of weeks ago I wasn’t really sure there would even be a Republican booth.

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    • prairelivingComment by praireliving
      June 20, 2012 @ 9:36 pm

      Hey Mike, even if every other administration since the beginning of the USA were involved in corruption and other illegal behavior it would not make this any less important or worth investigating. What happened, or didn’t, in other administrations is irrelevant. If this were some small, low-level screw up that went wildly wrong then no one in the upper levels of the administration would hesitate for one second to throw the people who did it under the proverbial bus. The fact that Holder is getting protection from Obama would suggest strongly that one or both of them knew about it, OKed it, and now don’t want to face the music for their actions.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      June 21, 2012 @ 8:56 am

      Mikeinny, Holder has lied about this from the get go. he has refused to tell who authorized Fast and Furious. His answer has repeatedly been I don’t know and someone in the Arizona office.

      I have been in the service and do business with the government civilian and military. In both cases there is paper trail from start to finished. No exceptions! All the “I’s” are dotted and all the “T’s are crossed. This smells of cover-up. Holder is protecting himself or someone in the White House. there is no other reason for refusing to turn over requested documents.

      I keep hearing on the news half truths. They mention that 7,000 pages were turned over. They forget to mention that they were heavily redacted. That means most of the lines on every page were blacked out. They also forget to mention there is over 200,000 pages of information.
      Let me see…. 7,000 pages out of over 200,000 pages that is less than 4% of all transcripts of this operation. You can hide a lot of information with black lines. The thing is it takes time to black all that out. that is not the reason they don’t turn it over. It’s because they know they could slip up miss something and get caught in their own lies and deception.

      Last thing Obama cannot invoke executive privilege. Unless he knew because executive privilege is used solely to protect the President. This is the same abuse of power Nixon was guilty of.

      I don’t care the color of your politics. I do care about removing anyone who abuses there authority. Regardless of their position in Government. Bottom to top they need to be removed and punished.

      One more thing. Everyone who has not watched this C-SPAN video, should. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/300716-1
      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! ! !

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    • Rich MoneyComment by Rich Money
      June 21, 2012 @ 1:06 pm

      I tend to disagree with not engaging people like Mikeinnyc. We must remember that people like Mike have been subjected to liberal brain-washing for so long that their minds are closed and unlikely to be changed. However, having said that, there are also people who may read what we write who haven’t been so brainwashed that they can no longer think for themselves. Perhaps, like many who have made the intellectual jump from liberal to conservative, they started out in the liberal world, but something nagged them. They heard the mainstream media gushing over the liberals and all their causes, and maybe they just got the sense that they weren’t quite getting the whole truth. They just felt like something wasn’t quite right when the news media kept telling them how wonderful these programs were, but yet the real world kept demonstrating that they didn’t work. They decided to do something that liberals are NEVER supposed to do…they decided to do their own research to find the truth. Perhaps many of them came here, looking to see what we have to say. When I engage someone like Mikeinnyc, it is not because I hope to change Mike’s mind, although that would be welcome. I feel fairly confident that most of us who engage liberals have similar motives, and that is to make sure the truth of the situation gets laid out so that those who may be seeking to find the truth can see our position laid out against the liberal position. As you know, liberals can very seldom debate conservatives on facts, because the facts show that the conservative position makes the most sense the vast majority of the time. When we can refute our liberal friends calmly, without rancor, and with facts, it gives those who may be trying to make up their own minds powerful evidence that our position on the issue is the real truth, not the liberal drivel spewing from CNN or MSNBC.

      So Mike, back to you. If Holder and Obama knew nothing about “Fast and Furious”, and it was just a low level operation run out of the Arizona ATF field office, then why are they stonewalling the Oversight Committee so hard, even to the point of improperly invoking “executive privilege?” As a matter of law, Obama cannot even invoke executive privilege unless the White House was directly involved in the operation. Yet Obama and Holder claim that neither of them had any prior knowledge even as Obama invokes the privilege. Doesn’t that seem just a little fishy to you? Holder could make all the heat on him go away immediately by prosecuting those involved in the Arizona field office, since it was just a “low-level” operation. Yet he’s risking contempt of Congress charges and potential prosecution to protect them…why? The answer is simple. If the evidence were released, it would lead to much more serious charges against Holder than just contempt of Congress, and would very likely implicate the president as well. After all, Obama is a survivor of the Chicago political machine; there is no way he’d put his backside on the line like this to protect unknown field agents in a state ATF office. The only reason he’s bluffing this big is because he knows the evidence will reveal that he has a very weak hand when trying to claim he knew nothing about this operation, and may indeed lead to long overdue impeachment proceedings.

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    • mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
      June 21, 2012 @ 1:24 pm

      Mr Money asks: If Holder and Obama knew nothing about “Fast and Furious”, and it was just a low level operation run out of the Arizona ATF field office, then why are they stonewalling the Oversight Committee so hard, even to the point of improperly invoking “executive privilege?”

      If the Congress is allowed to make all communications within the executive branch public information with no probable cause that those commincations contain evidence that a law has been violated, why shouldn’t the executive branch be able to request the same of the Congress? The executive branch is entitled to communicate within itself without revealing every minor message to the public. As is the Congress, so far. For that matter, why shouldn’t all of your private correspondence, or even all your professional correspondence, be subject to public scrutiny? Perhaps you shouldn’t mind drones flying overhead and photographing your every move and recording your every sound… after all, if you’ve got nothing to hide… What say you to that? What does Obama say to that? He says, “NO” and I agree with him; show probable cause before you search.

      I have friends, both conservative & liberal. None of my liberal friends consider me to be a liberal. You assume I’m a liberal just because I live in NYC and dare to disagree with you, just as you once wondered how the conservative guy could live in LA. Once you’re outside the narrow world that you’re familar with, you’re a fool.

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    • Rich MoneyComment by Rich Money
      June 21, 2012 @ 2:24 pm

      Mike:
      Thanks for proving my brainwashed comment. Your answer indicates that you missed the entire point of my post. Obama CLAIMS he didn’t know anything about the operation and that the DOJ and the White House had nothing to do with its planning or execution. Yet he then turns around and invokes executive privelege in refusing to turn over DOJ documents related to the operation. Such privelege can ONLY be invoked if the White House WAS directly involved in the operation. So which is it? They were involved…they weren’t…they were…they weren’t…once again Obama’s actions put lie to his words, something that has happened far too often since he took office. If there is nothing to hide and the White House had no knowledge of the operation, then Obama has nothing to fear from the evidence being provided to the committee. As for your “probable cause” comment, that might be the most inane thing you’ve said so far. One border patrol agent and numerous civilians were killed by weapons provided by this boondoggle, and evidence taken from the ATF field offices and from some of the different armorers involved strongly implicates the Justice Department as the source of this disaster. Sounds like pretty good probable cause to me. In any case, what right does a sitting president have to stonewall an investigation into impropriety in the DOJ? None, unless it involves national security (it doesn’t) or the White House directly (Obama claims it doesn’t). Everyone involved at the DOJ and the White House keeps trying to say there’s nothing to see here, yet they’re guarding all the evidence like a starving rat defending a moldy piece of cheese. As Bugs Bunny used to say…It just don’t add up!

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  2. AMVoterComment by AMVoter
    June 20, 2012 @ 2:14 pm

    No Obama dollar for you today.

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  3. rgs1Comment by rgs1
    June 20, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

    It is time for the impeachment parade to begin.
    We have put up with this progressive **** long enough.

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    • mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:07 pm

      YES! Impeach the Supreme Court and Remove Roberts, Alito & Thomas!

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

      Take a hike, mike.

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    • Texas GuyComment by Texas Guy
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

      mikeinnyc, you are obviously a witless, “progressive” a$$. Your misguided attempts to justify what Obamass & Holder did fall far short of passing the smell test. Forget what went on before…didn’t your mommy ever tell you two wrongs don’t make a right? And regarding SCOTUS, what about Sonia Sotomayor, an extreme left activist jurist who lied through her teeth to get enough votes to be confirmed, or Elena Kagen, who is not even qualified to be there and refuses to recuse herself when she should?

      I can tell by your “handle” that you are not our kind of people. Why don’t you just slink back into the dark hole you came out of and leave us alone? You are certainly not going to change anyone’s mind here, so go away.

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  4. Kyle ThroopComment by Kyle Throop
    June 20, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

    There is only one logical reason for Obama to risk the fall-out from how bad it looks for him to step in at the last minute and cover things up. That reason is that he was already involved and it will look even worse if the documents are released. Mike from NY City can say whatever he wants about missing money during Bush’s administration; which by the way had a full fledge Hollywood movie released about it, but that doesn’t make Obama less guilty. If this was a Republican President the media would be running the guy out of office but Obama can do no wrong as far as they’re concerned. Including claiming executive privilage by saying essentially that there is no reason for him to do so. Did you all see that part? He claims the reason he is using executive privilage is because there is nothing in the requested documents worth looking at- as if he would care if this panel wasted it’s time looking at worthless documents. No, there’s something there. The only question left is how much time they need to destroy the documents they don’t want anyone to see and how arogant they must be to not have destroyed them already.

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  5. Mary SpeicherComment by Mary Speicher
    June 20, 2012 @ 2:42 pm

    Why are they “playing” with the HEAD LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY? If the DOJ and or the White House HAD NO PART IN IT…….WHY STALL? This back and forth with remarks, deals, and “I don’t know” responses only makes OUR COUNTRY LOOK FOOLISH! Put the “line” down, tell the Attorney General to step up and talk………..if not? Fire his butt, take away his license to practice law! This constant behavior by the “head lawyer” of the country is making all of the laws of the land just “writings” to be ignored or “modified” to suit the enforcers of those laws!

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  6. mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
    June 20, 2012 @ 2:54 pm

    Time for a special prosecutor to investigate the GOP fishing expedition!

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    • Texas GuyComment by Texas Guy
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

      And by the way, please stop going through the comments and slapping a one-star rating on any comment that disagrees with you. That’s rather childish of you (though not entirely unexpected).

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:53 pm

      You figured that out too, huh? BTW, what’s wrong with the rating system all of a sudden? Some of the posts now don’t receive your rating, including those you haven’t previously rated.

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    • freedomfighterComment by freedomfighter
      June 20, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

      Mikeinnyc Investigate this. Why do so many insist on licking the toes which kick them in the face.
      Why would anyone defend Nobama about anything, when since he has had the reigns, he has not signed a single piece of paper to make anything good happen in the United States of America.
      I guess if taking God out of our Country, Ignoring our Constitution, being a habitual liar, stepping on the necks of Americans, working to keep the Vote askew and highly flawed, protecting those who will not work, but live high lives off the taxpayers money, attacking other Countries without Approval, putting Muslims into offices which are supposed to protect America, breaking the laws of our Constitution, by laws, and bill of rights, putting our Space program people of NASA in charge of keeping special peace with the Muslims, which is a complete outrage of our Nations finest Minds, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, PAGE BREAK, then I suppose you could see a real need to support/protect him.
      Most of us see absolutely no plus signs in what he has, and is, doing to our once Proud Great Country.
      Fast and Furious is merely a single small nitch in the fabric of what this Government has done, and is doing, to America and we the People.
      If you delusional people who support this generic President would take off your blinders for a short time, it would be quite easy for you to see all the wrong happening to you, me, and the rest of the Peoples of our Country.
      Give me a list containing just 10 things he has done to make our Country better since he took office, and I can give you a list of hundreds he has done against it.
      Fast and Furious that, and clean your own stable before you begin on ours.
      Stop being a boot licker, long enough to take a long hard look at the big picture, and reality of EVIL which is, OBAMA.

      TAKE OUT THE TRASH IN NOVEMBER

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  7. suzy2Comment by suzy2
    June 20, 2012 @ 2:57 pm

    It is obviou Barrack Obama was at the head of this gun smuggling and wants to hide this fact knowing his position is in ruins. Just like he hides all his other crimes we are slowly learning about. I hope Congress comes to their senses and either prosecute this Obama or Impeach him now. Because of Obama we are practically at war with the world. DO SOMETHING CONGRESS. GET OFF YOUR TUF. we all know obama is just one big sneaky liar! We need to get obama out of this country permantly

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  8. mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
    June 20, 2012 @ 2:59 pm

    Yes! Obama is smuggling Russian-made weapons from Kenya to Indonesia right through Mexico, using those witless drug cartels as go-betweens!

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    • LAPhilComment by LAPhil
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

      I’m sure you’ve heard the expression “There are none so blind as those who will not see”. This definitely applies to you.

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    • bna42Comment by bna42
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

      Mike, you are so annoying that it is obvious you are on Obama’s payroll. Are you one of the protesters that the Obama campaign admitted are getting paid to protest?

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    • cdrcodyComment by cdrcody
      June 20, 2012 @ 7:40 pm

      Thanks for the heads-up, mike. I didn’t know Obama was doing something like that. You just gave the Amercian people another reason to get rid of that idiot. The sooner the better.

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    • mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
      June 20, 2012 @ 8:22 pm

      bna42: How did you know? Yes, I am a paid protester. It’s the only work an illegal alien like me can get now that the Obama administration is deporting people in record numbers who work for chicken processing plants and garmet factories.

      cdrcody: You seem like a sharp guy with a critical eye that can separate fact from fiction. Did you know that the election this year is on Wednesday, November 7th? See you at the polls!

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    • Texas GuyComment by Texas Guy
      June 20, 2012 @ 10:40 pm

      “[G]armet” factories? Let’s see…what section of WalMart has garmets on the shelf? And what, precisely, are “garmets” anyway? Perhaps you, in your all-knowing, all-seeing wisdom, would care to enlighten us, the unwashed masses…the ignorant Tea Party rabble, as it were?

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    • Rich MoneyComment by Rich Money
      June 21, 2012 @ 2:56 pm

      Now wait a minute Mike…you told me in an earlier post you worked for a large bank. Now you’re an out of work paid protester. What’s next, an organ grinder? You can’t even get your own story straight, and you want us to believe you’ve got your finger on the pulse of this story. Please keep posting…we look all the more brilliant every time you do!

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  9. cynicalobserverComment by cynicalobserver
    June 20, 2012 @ 3:00 pm

    well, we found out one thing for sure, anyone working form Obama does not have to obey the laws and can sell out or give America away to criminals.

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  10. pwpmmpComment by pwpmmp
    June 20, 2012 @ 3:07 pm

    We don’t have a president, we have a spoiled little despot who doesn’t give a hoot about the people of this country, and will stop at nothing until he gets his way and taxes all the working folk into oblivion.

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  11. mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
    June 20, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

    No mom, neither will be a crime and both could be politically embarassing. That’s the point of this investigation. Stupid police work is not a crime. And neither necessarily are the actions of an elected official who acts to further his own good instead of the country’s.

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    • hardheadedComment by hardheaded
      June 20, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

      Our elected official are supposed to act and do what is best for the people, not their personal gain.
      or their own protection
      They are not above the LAW.

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    • Texas GuyComment by Texas Guy
      June 20, 2012 @ 4:53 pm

      mikeinnyc, you need to look up the definition of “fiduciary.”

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  12. wcook703Comment by wcook703
    June 20, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

    Democrats have no character and Republicans have no guts. Impeach the Kenyan imposter and jail the Attorney General.

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    • anangrygrammaComment by anangrygramma
      June 20, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

      I couldn’t agree more, except the impeachment part…that would take years. Try the O & Holder for treason & high crimes against the country!

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  13. david2Comment by david2
    June 20, 2012 @ 3:26 pm

    This is nothing more than Obama buying time for votes for his reelection. He can’t afford for the truth to come out. He ran on transparency and he’s lied, cheated and now stealing from the American people. We can see through him. If we don’t get him out in November,…we’re in MAJOR trouble for our future and OUR constitution. Nixon was an ANGEL compared to this guy!

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  14. wolfComment by wolf
    June 20, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

    MikeInNYC…
    It would be great for someone to comment and add a dissenting opinion of an article that may have a conservative tone to it. And I for one, would listen.
    But when you start doing the Same Thing that ALL Liberals or Democrats do…we then have to “tune you out”. You have provided a great example with your comments on this article. It’s okay to state your opinion that Conservatives or Republicans are only doing this for political reasons. But instead…you have brought up as a defense of your position a whole bunch of things that have nothing to do with this particular case/article. Standard Operating Procedure for any Dem/Lib when they cannot defend something is to start talking about other things. Bush’s AG was run out of office for the “alledged crime” of firing some judges. But God-forbid we would want to know the truth from Holder involving an American was KILLED because of the Fast and Furious. I think ANY murder in this country should be accounted for, whether its a Dem, Repub, Lib, Conservative, Green Party or whatever.
    In 2006, Obama told the TV Press that anytime an Executive Privelege is used….it means the President is hiding something “shaky”. Check your facts Mr NYC.

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    • KMcCComment by KMcC
      June 20, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

      LET US NOT FORGET… Pres. Bill Clinton FIRED ALL OF THE all 93 of them! right after he took office! No out cry from the Democrat run Press Core. I wounder WHY??? Republican Fire 6 who were guilty of not doing their job and all hell breaks loose.

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  15. Faye BrownComment by Faye Brown
    June 20, 2012 @ 3:30 pm

    How soon will we hear Holder’s underground release, ”I Won’t Go Down Alone“? I’m looking forward to seeing it go Platinum in November.

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  16. SC SecessionistComment by scommonsense4all
    June 20, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

    As much as I think this goes all the way to Obammie I think the smart play would be to not overplay historical precedents but to leave this as an unanswerable burning cinder in Obama’s lap and let it burn there and hopefully gain heat until the Nov elections when we have to have the American public answer the question “Why would Obama protect a DoJ head official from producing documents” Reminds me of Watergate and I think that turned out badly for the secret holders.

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  17. millerstwoComment by millerstwo
    June 20, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

    The gutless cowards we elected and trusted to speak for us in Congress won’t do a damned thing about this situation. Getting re-elected and avoiding negative press is a much more important issue to these fools than preserving the integrity of our country. I sure hope I’m wrong but unfortunately most of the idiots in Congress don’t have the spine of Darrell Issa.

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    • rolandd1Comment by rolandd1
      June 20, 2012 @ 4:42 pm

      I agree, they need to stop trying to keep thier jobs and start doing it.

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  18. JuneComment by June
    June 20, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

    When was there ever any “doubt” the was involved in Fast and Furious? Never-ALL of US are intelligent enough to realize, exactly, where that started – -part of obama-soetoro’s ploy to manufacture an “excuse” to void our 2nd Amendment Rights and it has “backfired”, big time! I’ve already emailed Chairman Issa, requesting the contempt charges, against holder, also include obama-soetoro; stating, emphatically, the latter should have NO executive privilege, since he is an impostor and a fraud!

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  19. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    June 20, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

    aaaaanybody that remembers anything about Watergate, should remember that the tapes were eventually produced,but far more important, NOBODY was KILLED because of it. As a criminal case it would just be ‘breaking and entering’.

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  20. rolandd1Comment by rolandd1
    June 20, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

    mikeinnyc Is this what you think?
    The “Teflon King” has ruled, let no man say anything against him, for he can do no wrong. His word is now the law of the land, let no man put him in sunder. Long live the KING!
    Your a tool or a fool.

    God help us all, as we go into the night.

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    • JoeEnglishComment by enraged8hobbit
      June 20, 2012 @ 8:22 pm

      More appropriately he can be classified as a fool for being a tool for a fool.

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  21. JDZComment by JDZ
    June 20, 2012 @ 11:38 pm

    Many of you have taken the bait by this “mikeinnyc” liberal winnie and attempted to respond to his rants, which unfortunately, is just a waste of time as these liberals are not listening and are not going change their opinions no matter how strong your arguments. For these diehard liberals, there is nothing that Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, etc. can do wrong and will rationalize any situation to justify or protect their masters in government and the Democratic party.

    So, although a rational person can see where radical anti-Americans like Obama and Holder are taking the country, zealots like “mikeinnyc” cannot, and are not open to overwhelming evidence that prove that these people are radical socialists, and in the case of Obama, Holder, Lisa Jackson, and Valerie Jarrett are also racists.

    So, the best thing to do when one of these arrogant idiots get on this blog is to ignore them as though they do not exist and never respond directly to them. Put your comments in as though they do not exist.
    They hate that.

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    • pwpmmpComment by pwpmmp
      June 21, 2012 @ 10:12 am

      I agree completely with you, JDZ. You can’t reason with an unreasonable person. It’s like trying to reason with two-year-olds. They want what they want when they want it and facts don’t matter. “I don’t have money for that toy right now, dear.” “WAA! I WANT IT NOW, I HATE YOU, YOU ARE MEAN!”

      Fortunately, most two-year-olds grow up and learn to listen and observe and find intelligent and acceptable ways to get what they want. “Hmm… If I work hard, and save my money I can buy that toy for myself!” People like “mikeinnyc” never grow up. They remain stubborn and unreasonable, never looking or listening or, unfortunately, learning. Giving them attention and arguing with them just feeds their delusions. Ignore them like the two-year-old pulling on your pant leg and screaming his or her “WANTS” in the store. Eventually little Mikey will hush up and go away.

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  23. Mort_fComment by Mort_f
    June 21, 2012 @ 9:01 pm

    Does the PUBLIC have an absolute ‘right to know’? Hardly

    Much information is properly kept out of the public purview. One can point to criminal cases, secret defense matters, even refer to the drafting of the Constitution, which was performed with no information given to the public during the drafting process.

    But in each instance, there is a select group of individuals that are entrusted with the information. In defense matters, there is a select committee that has been vetted. They are the only members of Congress that are privy to items in the ‘black’ budget. Think of the ‘Manhattan Project’ as a classic example.

    In criminal cases, law enforcement personnel are enjoined from providing information to the media or the public. Any information, by law, is supposed to come only from the District Attorney or his designated representative.

    It has been ruled, properly, that the Executive, whether it is the President or his staff, has a right to private discussions prior to enactment of laws. However, that right to privacy does not, nor should it, extend to acts that may be criminal, nor should it extend to operations enacted either in executing the provisions of laws that have been enacted, and especially to actions that may be construed as extra-legal.

    To characterize Fast and Furios as either a national defense issue, or a discussion of future legislation, is a farce. In the case of action vs. the president or the Attorney General, the prosecuting attorney is the Congress. Using the excuse of Executive Privelege’ is synonomous with taking the Fifth Amendment, and should be treated as such.

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    • mikeinnycComment by mikeinnyc
      June 22, 2012 @ 9:32 am

      Mort – That might be how you think ‘Executive Privilege’ should work, but in the real world, you are NOT entitled to see the President’s email, any more than you’re entitled to see Congressman’s Issa’s email. That is how the law works, not your fantasy.

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    • onewildmanComment by onewildman
      June 22, 2012 @ 9:51 am

      mikeinnyc You are not too bright. it didn’t work for Nixon and it didn’t work for Clinton. A president cannot use executive privilege to cover up a possible crime. Obama in effect is trying to interfere with a congressional investigation. If you didn’t know that is the crime.

      IMPEACH OBAMA NOW! ! ! ! ! !

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    • Mort_fComment by Mort_f
      June 22, 2012 @ 9:54 am

      Perhaps some day mikeinnyc might learn to read.

      Note my very first sentence, “Does the PUBLIC have an absolute ‘right to know’? Allow me to ‘shout’, HARDLY!

      But there are definitely are agencies of the government that do have the absolute constitutional right to read all operational documents created by any branch of government. By necessity, those agencies, need to be, and are properly, limited in their membership. Hence we have ‘select committees’, grand juries, etc, etc. And NO, I do not include either the media, nor the public, in the etceteras.

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  24. freedomfighterComment by freedomfighter
    June 22, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

    Hey guys, mikeinnyc is a egotist, and you guys are merely giving him the attention he seeks in your posts. No line will be crossed, and no one will win this tug o war of words, except him because he thrives on the attention.

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  25. trumper2Comment by trumper2
    June 24, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

    Mike is probably some 18 year old college student who has been mesmerized by his professors who are mostly liberals. He barely passed government in high school and it is showing. He makes up lies about working for a bank and then about being a protestor or whatever. He’s not worth your time. Ignore him!

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