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Old 04-22-2008, 08:09 AM
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Default Ben Stein Assails The Intelligentsia

By Carol Devine-Molin
April 22, 2008

Ben Stein's new documentary "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" is a riveting exposé of the intolerant academic community that systematically declares war on anyone or any institution [i.e. Seattle's Discovery Institute] that dares to question liberal Darwinian orthodoxy. "Correct speak" and "correct think" are de rigueur among scholars, who are expected to tow the line that "evolution" and "natural selection" are the be all and end all when it comes to deciphering the origins of mankind.

Thankfully, a few brave scholars have had the intestinal fortitude to challenge Darwinian theory, which cannot properly account for the creation of complex biological mechanisms. These academicians have underscored that the statistical odds are infinitesimal that human DNA could have emerged by evolutionary means as posited by Darwin. By raising the specter of "Intelligent Design", these renegade scholars have been subjected to terrible smears and utter ruination of their scientific careers. But should anyone be astonished? The modus operandi of the Leftist intelligentsia has always been to protect and perpetuate the big propaganda machine and destroy anyone at variance with dogma.

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Old 04-22-2008, 10:13 AM
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I can't wait to see this film Ben Stein has made he is the funniest guy, I love to hear him speak but this is a serious film it shows what is going on in the college world and our high schools in America.

The man Klugman is right but in reverse he is right so he is 180 out. With out God in our lives we are capable of mass murder and other things that are evil, being able to kill wantonly is a product of no accountability or answering to authority. The final authority is God . When people cover it up they are in danger of falling into traps like Hitler and following them to destruction. Why people are so caught up in the left liberal ideas are a mystery to me or is it I am behind the times and am to old not to remember the wars and the fight to keep America free and clean and a country founded under God and with God as the driving force behind our freedom. Once God is removed we will be in deep manure.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:52 AM
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When I was in HS, a very wise nun told our biology class that she was perplexed at all the controversy surrounding Darwin's theory of natural selection. She said, "Even if it is true, it does not disprove the existance of God. After all, evolution could just be God's way of doing things."


The problem with Darwin's theory is that it has been twisted to have meanings it author probably never dreamed of.

Nietzche was a main culprit in this, extrapolating from Darwin that it should be be possible to create a race of "Ubernmensch" or supermen. He advocated the idea that all inferior humans should be exterminated. The Nazies put this idea into action, deeming anyone they didn't like to be inferior.

Although someday evidence may emerge that disproves it, I think that Darwin's theory is still scientifically valid. I distrust the academics who use the theory to their own ends. Denying the existance of God is one of them.

Leftists are gradually taking over this country. They now pretty much control the entertainment industry, academia, the main-stream-media and, oddly, many churches. Unfortunately, many American get their opniions about science from those sources.

I am a scientist. One of the things that drew me into that field was it seemed one of a vey few disciplines where honesty counted: either you had a theory that could be tested and proven or your theory was invalid. All theories were subject to further study and debate.

Emotion and advocacy have no place in Science.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:13 AM
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Evolution has different contexts or definitions, wo you must be careful in how the term evolution is applied. Adaptation... a bird develops a curved beak over years to enable easier access to deep-throated flowers, but the term used by Leftists is a more sinister definition: evolving from one species to another. And no, Jamble, evolution is NOT what God used to create. Scripture CLEARLY states He created man, animal, plant, etc. Not that He created pond scum that evolves into multi-cell creatures, which evolve to fish, which evolve to reptiles, which evolve to mammal... or plant or whatever. The claim that God used evolution to fulfill His creative plan is just another, albeit compromising secular humanist viewpoint. And there has NEVER been any evidence found of the evolving creature... no part this and part that. All so-called examples have been proven to be a hoax perpetuated by those seeking to further their agenda.

As for their "explanation" of where/how life originated... Earth being seeded by aliens.... are you kidding me??
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:36 AM
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I'm sorry, but Mr. Stein's movie is pure garbage, filled with lies, selective omissions, distortions, exaggerations, blatant falsehoods, ignorance, conspiracy theories, and worse. Carol's article is no better. I admire many things about Mr. Stein but I find it shameful that he would let himself be a part of this trash. "Expelled" is as bad as "Loose Change." Conservatives can be just as blinded by emotion as liberals when they want to be.

Visit "Expelled: Exposed" if you want the facts about evolution, I.D., evolution and religion, science and religion, and the many lies, misrepresentations, errors, and omissions to be found in this movie.

And as for this crap about evolution being responsible for all violence, death, and wars, and belief in God being the only solution ... people who believe in God have been killing each other for thousands of years, often over minor disagreements in doctrine and theology. Anyone who knows anything about history should realize this. The religious bloodbaths didn't stop until we separated church and state and made religion a personal matter. An accomplishment conservatives are proud to point to when explaining the superiority of the West over Islam, incidentally.

I am usually proud to call myself a conservative. This is one area where it often becomes an embarassment. So many conservatives have allowed their emotions to completely override their reason on this issue. One does not have to be a member of some “liberal intelligentsia” to accept that evolution has merit—all one has to do is look at the overwhelming evidence supporting it, and the complete lack of evidence or research for I.D.

These conservatives are not helping America, they are hurting it, by encouraging ignorance and promoting a distorted view of science.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:11 PM
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For those of you who believe that the God of the bible used evolution to create, I would like to say that it is nice of you to give God the extra time but He didn't need it. In fact He did not need 6 days. The God that I serve could have created everything in a microsecond or less. The God that has the power to hold every atom together is certainly not limited by time. He chose to work for six days and rested on the seventh in order to show us how we should live. Genesis makes it VERY clear "And there was evening and there was morning" for every day of creation. Suggest you go re-read Genesis 1.

For those of you who believe in evolution. Please show me one mutation that has resulted in a higher life form. There had to have been billions in order to evolve from scum to human. Surly you can produce just one.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:31 PM
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Many scientists are not sure whether evolution or creation can be proved at any rate. If one reads Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion', the Harris hate against God, one is apt to believe that God just is a myth. So, we now have to bow at the alter of Big Science. Darwin always claimed he was a Christian. Who knows how this will go down but Goldberg and Stein have some points which liberals hate. Does not anyone think about why liberals are so stuck on evolution, God as myth, and their gods become socialism and pacifism? Sure we need to have good conservative Christian scientists, artists, writers, but to give into a materialistic theory which still has many holes is the real disgrace for human beings.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:32 PM
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This article has merit from the standpoint it clarifies that the Nazi party was known as the Democratic Socialist Party, and shares much in common with our contemporary democrats, many of whom also belong to an organization called Democrat Socialists, an offshoot of the SDS, at one time funded by the American Communist Party and the Soviet Union. It also clarifies the fact that evolution has no rational basis as a science and the fact its proponents can be readily demonstrated as lacking intellectual credibility. This is why they refuse public debate. The basic tenets of evolution are constantly evolving as they are proven false by scientific discovery and new tenets replace the old ones. Unlike the chemist that can produce a chemical reaction and the microbiologist that can produce a microbe the evolutionist has nothing but attempts to take established science and create a "contemporary" evolution theory to wrap around them and claim that science proves evolution. Basic probability analysis suggests a greater likelihood that a pile of metal left in a field for millions of years would become an engraved gold watch than that of a universe supportive of our biosphere and life forms (now demonstrated to be complex ab initio, contradicting an initial tenet of evolution) happening by accident. If our fossil forms are hundreds of millions of years old as evolutionists claim the evidence of evolutionary transitions would be apparent and dug up by the tens of thousands -- but they do not exist.

Evolution is a religion whose adherents are more militant than any cult member and have sacrificed all reason to avoid recognition of what they refer to as the God theory.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:49 PM
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To Cornerstone: The idea that life on earth was "seeded by aliens" is not part of the theory of evolution, which is only concerned with what happened after life (defined as self-reproducing organisms) came into being. Furthermore, it is merely a hypothesis or proposal made by a few scientists, and a quite far-fetched one at that--it is hardly a widely accepted explanation for how life got started. In any case, it only replaces one problem with another ... if "aliens" seeded life on Earth, then where did the aliens come from? Even if life came to Earth from space without any intelligent intervention (spores or bacteria encased in meteorites for example) the question of how that life began wouldn't be answered. However, most biologists think life started on Earth and are working out how it might have happened. You think it happened the way the Bible said it did. Fine. But that's faith, not science, since you have no evidence other than the Bible.

As for macroevolution being "sinister," how is it "sinister" for small, microevolutionary changes to accumulate over long periods of time until you wind up with something quite different from what you started with? And if you don't think this can happen, why don't you do the research and explain the mechanism that prevents macroevolution?

To Terri: "Expelled" LIES about what happened to these individuals who promoted intelligent design. They were not smeared. They were not ruined. Their careers were not destroyed. All of this is verifiable. The movie LIES. It is a dishonest film. It lies like "Loose Change" lied.
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Old 04-22-2008, 01:02 PM
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To Alphonse Denaye: Everything you said about evolution is wrong. Evolution is supported by huge amounts of evidence ... fossils, DNA, observation and experimentation. Your statistics and analogies are wrong also. There has been more than enough time for life to emerge and evolve to its present state via mutation, genetic drift, and natural selection. By the way, the vast majority of microbiologists and chemists support evolution, and probably regard evolutionary theory as indispensible to their work.

Evolution is accepted by the vast majority of scientists, and particularly biologists, because it is indeed the best explanation for biodiversity. It's the best explanation for what we observe in nature. It is one of the best-supported scientific theories we have.

By the way, if some "evolutionists" seem militant to you, perhaps its because no other scientific theory is under such vicious attack by people like you who do not understand it and for that matter do not even understand science. I'm sure you wouldn't dream of telling a rocket scientist that he doesn't understand rocket engines, yet you have no trouble telling hundreds of thousands of biologists with years of training and experience who accept evolution that they are either a bunch of morons or willing conspirators in an evil atheist/Satanic conspiracy to destroy faith.
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