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10-22-2003, 02:53 AM
These were received via email and since they both deal with the same subject, I'm posting them together! *
<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>IN GOD WE TRUST</span>
Did You Know? As you walk up the steps to the Capitol Building which houses the Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view - it is Moses and the Ten Commandments!
As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.
As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges sit a display of the Ten Commandments!
There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians ... not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher ... whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.
Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies. Thomas Jefferson worried about that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law ... an oligarchy ... the rule of few over many ...
The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."
How then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 200 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?
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*<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE.</span>
*By Ron Marr
*http://www.troutwrapper.com
*Here's a note to Michael Newdow, The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and all the other humor-impaired individuals whose time is spent obsessing on such Earth-shaking issues as the total elimination of religious references from the public venue.
*God just called...and he says you should get a life.
*Newdow, as you might recall, is the Sacramento atheist who instigated the 2000 court case that the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional because the words "under God" amounted to a government endorsement of Christianity. *The 9th Circuit, known for dedication to all things politically correct, *agreed with him. Because of that decision, the US Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case. *I suspect they know it's a total waste of time, but want to euthanize the question once and for all.
*Then again, The Supremes may just want to slap Newdow around a bit. The man claimed he brought the suit on behalf of his daughter, who was forced to listen to the Pledge (students do not have to recite it) and as a result suffered the potential of indoctrination and perhaps a degree of adolescent angst. *However, since Newdow does not have legal custody of his daughter the court may well find that he had no lega standing to bring suit in the first place, thus dismissing both him personally and the argument itself.
*But really, I can't repeat this enough. *Get a life. The separation between church and state is well defined. What the First Amendment bans are "laws respecting an establishment of religion." *That means the feds can't mandate that you worship under the auspices of Baptist, Catholic, Buddhist or Methodist. It means the government is prohibited from building a giant reptile and insisting, under penalty of law, that you bow down to it as the creator of all life and head honcho of the deity brigade.
*For awhile I thought that might have been happening during the Clinton years, but then I realized that Janet Reno couldn't help the way she looked. My mistake. Sorry. *Those shiny scales and razor sharp talons confused me.
*Look, I'm not even a religious guy. *I don't partake of organized religion and don't plan on joining up with a church anytime in the near future. I've actually got nothing against religion, however I do have something against stupidity. *This debate is stupid. Prior court rulings have determined that phrases such as "under God" or "in God we trust" (as seen on the back of that green stuff in your wallet) are acceptable due to the fact that they are primarily ceremonial.
*People might often view money as their religion, but I seriously doub anyone has fallen to their knees, spoken in tongues or experienced a life-altering religious conversion after looking at the backside of a dollar bill.
*I tend to believe that people who bring suits of this nature are simply bored, that they are so unsatisfied with their own lives that they want to throw a monkey wrench into the lives of others. They like seeing folks get all shaken up, but more than that, they like the attention. I suppose that's fine - getting people to look at you by filing nuisance suits is a much better way to gain recognition than by going on a tri-state killing spree. *But for crying out loud, couldn't these people just avoid binding up the court system with worthless lunacy? Couldn't they gain fame by wearing a chicken suit in public or *by shooting for a Guinness Record in hot dog consumption?
*But the world is a weird place these days. Should the Supreme Court decide in favor of Newdow's view we will see a change in the landscape...literall y. If that decision should come to pass I advise young entrepreneurs to run out and purchase sand-blasting equipment, as almost all public buildings have religious references carved into them. Some major bucks could be had by grinding them off and replacing with giant Smiley Faces.
*And that would be but the start. George Bush would no longer be able to end his speeches with "God Bless America." *In fact, he would be prohibited from saying "God Bless You" to Tom Daschle should the SD Senator happen to sneeze while pontificating on the Senate floor. The back of our currency would read "have a nice day," and court testimony would begin with "put your right hand on this Spiderman comic book and repeat after me."
* I suppose that the swearing in ceremony at the Presidential *inauguration would as well need to be changed so the ending reads "so help me God, Zeus, Shiva the Destroyer, Eric Clapton or any other potential supreme being which may or may not exist, up to and including Fred, the guy who fixed my wife's 2003 Mercedes Turbo with such alacrity and care that he surely must be divinely inspired...though I could be wrong about that."
*Lets just hope the Congressional lunchroom doesn't offer Godiva chocolate on the menu.
*The litigation could last for decades.
<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>IN GOD WE TRUST</span>
Did You Know? As you walk up the steps to the Capitol Building which houses the Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view - it is Moses and the Ten Commandments!
As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.
As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges sit a display of the Ten Commandments!
There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians ... not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher ... whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.
Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies. Thomas Jefferson worried about that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law ... an oligarchy ... the rule of few over many ...
The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."
How then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 200 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?
******************** ***********
*<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE.</span>
*By Ron Marr
*http://www.troutwrapper.com
*Here's a note to Michael Newdow, The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and all the other humor-impaired individuals whose time is spent obsessing on such Earth-shaking issues as the total elimination of religious references from the public venue.
*God just called...and he says you should get a life.
*Newdow, as you might recall, is the Sacramento atheist who instigated the 2000 court case that the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional because the words "under God" amounted to a government endorsement of Christianity. *The 9th Circuit, known for dedication to all things politically correct, *agreed with him. Because of that decision, the US Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case. *I suspect they know it's a total waste of time, but want to euthanize the question once and for all.
*Then again, The Supremes may just want to slap Newdow around a bit. The man claimed he brought the suit on behalf of his daughter, who was forced to listen to the Pledge (students do not have to recite it) and as a result suffered the potential of indoctrination and perhaps a degree of adolescent angst. *However, since Newdow does not have legal custody of his daughter the court may well find that he had no lega standing to bring suit in the first place, thus dismissing both him personally and the argument itself.
*But really, I can't repeat this enough. *Get a life. The separation between church and state is well defined. What the First Amendment bans are "laws respecting an establishment of religion." *That means the feds can't mandate that you worship under the auspices of Baptist, Catholic, Buddhist or Methodist. It means the government is prohibited from building a giant reptile and insisting, under penalty of law, that you bow down to it as the creator of all life and head honcho of the deity brigade.
*For awhile I thought that might have been happening during the Clinton years, but then I realized that Janet Reno couldn't help the way she looked. My mistake. Sorry. *Those shiny scales and razor sharp talons confused me.
*Look, I'm not even a religious guy. *I don't partake of organized religion and don't plan on joining up with a church anytime in the near future. I've actually got nothing against religion, however I do have something against stupidity. *This debate is stupid. Prior court rulings have determined that phrases such as "under God" or "in God we trust" (as seen on the back of that green stuff in your wallet) are acceptable due to the fact that they are primarily ceremonial.
*People might often view money as their religion, but I seriously doub anyone has fallen to their knees, spoken in tongues or experienced a life-altering religious conversion after looking at the backside of a dollar bill.
*I tend to believe that people who bring suits of this nature are simply bored, that they are so unsatisfied with their own lives that they want to throw a monkey wrench into the lives of others. They like seeing folks get all shaken up, but more than that, they like the attention. I suppose that's fine - getting people to look at you by filing nuisance suits is a much better way to gain recognition than by going on a tri-state killing spree. *But for crying out loud, couldn't these people just avoid binding up the court system with worthless lunacy? Couldn't they gain fame by wearing a chicken suit in public or *by shooting for a Guinness Record in hot dog consumption?
*But the world is a weird place these days. Should the Supreme Court decide in favor of Newdow's view we will see a change in the landscape...literall y. If that decision should come to pass I advise young entrepreneurs to run out and purchase sand-blasting equipment, as almost all public buildings have religious references carved into them. Some major bucks could be had by grinding them off and replacing with giant Smiley Faces.
*And that would be but the start. George Bush would no longer be able to end his speeches with "God Bless America." *In fact, he would be prohibited from saying "God Bless You" to Tom Daschle should the SD Senator happen to sneeze while pontificating on the Senate floor. The back of our currency would read "have a nice day," and court testimony would begin with "put your right hand on this Spiderman comic book and repeat after me."
* I suppose that the swearing in ceremony at the Presidential *inauguration would as well need to be changed so the ending reads "so help me God, Zeus, Shiva the Destroyer, Eric Clapton or any other potential supreme being which may or may not exist, up to and including Fred, the guy who fixed my wife's 2003 Mercedes Turbo with such alacrity and care that he surely must be divinely inspired...though I could be wrong about that."
*Lets just hope the Congressional lunchroom doesn't offer Godiva chocolate on the menu.
*The litigation could last for decades.