Obama: Lipstick on a Pig

[Terri]

Is he calling Sarah Palin a pig?

He doesn't exactly say that but he's talking about the opposition and he knows that the lipstick/pitbull comment was Sarah's.

How did he think people would take this remark?

I've spent the last while listening to Hugh Hewitt's callers and they are some furious women! :fire:

See it here. (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=FPd4y k0x-eg&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i3.ytimg.com/vi/FPd4yk0x-eg/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLp4vPx-xA9ClcO6_U-iFKA&use_get_video_info=1 &load_modules=1#038;h l=en&fs=1)



John McCain doesn't like it. (http://corner.nationalrevie w.com/post/?q=ZmRlMTBjYTMwZDdlN zUyNGQ5MjdmY2Y0OTMyY TY2NTA=)

The McCain campaign is holding a conference call with former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift, who is calling on Barack Obama to apologize to Sarah Palin for his "lipstick on a pig" comment. "We need to continually combat this stream of insults," Swift said, referring specifically to "what I can only deem to be disgraceful comments comparing our vice presidential nominee, Gov. Palin, to a pig."

Reporters were a bit skeptical that Obama intended to do that; from the sketchy reports we have, he seemed to be talking about how John McCain can claim to represent change but isn't really an agent of change. But Swift said, "it's pretty clear the crowd thought that that was the insult he was leveling." And Swift made the (hopefully) undeniable observation that Palin is the only one of the four national candidates who wears lipstick.

[Terri]

Huckabee is sure that Obama didn't mean anything bad. What a wuss! :ugh:

Do we need to add a poll to this thread?

[candles]

Terri, I was about to post this, then realized you already did. :)

I've spent the last while listening to Hugh Hewitt's callers and they are some furious women! http://www.gopusa.com/forum/images/smilies2/fire.gif
How did Obama think the women would take it, duh. I hope he drops in the poll quickly for his foot in mouth desease.

Here is what Newsmax (http://newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_lipstick_mccai n/2008/09/09/129274.html) has on the story. What's the difference between the presidential campaign before and after the national political conventions? Lipstick.

The colorful cosmetic has become a political buzzword, thanks to Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's joke in her acceptance speech that lipstick is the only thing that separates a hockey mom like her from a pit bull.

Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama told an audience Tuesday that GOP presidential nominee John McCain says he'll change Washington, but he's just like President Bush.

"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said to an outbreak of laughter, shouts and raucous applause from his audience, clearly drawing a connection to Palin's joke. "It's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still going to stink after eight years."

Obama goes on saying he and his wife, Michelle has two kid and they tire them out.
Now, if two kids tire him out, how is he planning to run the WH?!

[Terri]

Obama, Dems sharpen personal attacks on Palin (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13315.html)

The Politico

Barack Obama and his Democratic allies are intensifying their attacks on Sarah Palin, as her sustained and surprising central role in this race is upending Obama’s strategy and often overshadowing McCain.

Democratic Congressman Russ Carnahan on Tuesday – introducing Joe Biden at a campaign event – ripped into Palin’s record and punctuated it with this snarky jab. “There’s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick,” he said. Later in the day, Obama used a variation of the lipstick line, though he was clearly talking about the McCain-Palin reform rhetoric. "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said. "It's still a pig."

Former New York Mayor Ed Koch, as part of his endorsement of Obama, said Palin “scares the hell out of me.” And Obama hit Palin in nearly a dozen different press releases – one day after drawing laughs at a campaign stop by calling her a “moose shooter.”

[candles]

No matter what news station you go to right now, Sarah is the topic. Dem. must be running scared. :D

[oldjules]

Rope + big mouth liberal = disaster

[Dd3075]

Well, if we're going to play these tedious games, how about telling Obama that you "can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"?

Meaning, no matter how you try to package your Marxist/Communist/Socialist "Change" recommendations for our country, we aren't buying it.:flush: :hilarious:

[Terri]

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."
The other half of the ticket? Did Obama mean John McCain?

[Charie]

Well, Ed Koch's bald old head may depart for the stratosphere as scared as he is of the fierce moose hunter but if he could see the way my :hair: has been standing on end ever since I realized what Obama is, he'd realize there are worse things than moose murderers and hockey moms.

I'm expecting it to return to its proper place on my head as soon as McCain*Palin whup tarnation out of Obama/Foot-in-Mouth.

Or is the good mayor insinuating that the thought of a woman vice president scares hell out of him? I may decide to take umbrage at that.

We've got 'em on the run, boys!

[Terri]

From the 'stranger it gets' department ... Did Obama Steal his 'Lip Stick on a Pig' Speech from a Political Cartoon? (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/10/did-obama-steal-his-lip-stick-pig-speech-political-cartoon)

NewsBusters

Obama tried to quip that "you can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig" when attacking the McCain/Palin record. But the entire segment, including the previous comments leading up to the insensitive "pig" line, are almost word for word from the Tom Toles cartoon from the 5th.

[RW]

Just another example of Obama not having a single original thought in his head....

[Terri]

The McCain campaign is quick....

McCain ad: “Lipstick” (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/10/mccain-ad-lipstick/)

You know, this was not an accident on Obama's part. It wasn't just thoughtless.

It was intentional and scripted. He follows the text of the Tole cartoon to call Palin a pig and to compare McCain to old fish.

That's a new kind of politics?

[nejohnson]

Watch this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w

Was McCain calling Hillary a pig? This is absurd. This is an old, old, old saying used when you feel someone is hiding behind a false front. Its about the same as saying "you can't polish a turd".

Why can't we talk about the issues? Why does it have to be about this petty bickering. This is the behavior that has a lot of people turned off to politics.

[Terri]

No, he wasn't. What IS absurd is posting this video from October 2007 and trying to make a connection.

We all know that Sarah Palin used the lipstick reference in her introductory speech when she made reference to lipstick being the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom.

Had there been a similar comment by Hillary before McCain told the old joke then your comparison would be valid. But you know that is not the case. You made a lame effort at supporting Obama. Sorry, but it's just way too lame.

Obama took a cheap shot but the one he took comparing McCain to old fish was even worse.

[yogi]

Timing is everything in politics. I think B Husein Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment was, at the very least, a case of very poor timing. However if you add the old fish comment to the mix it starts looking a lot less like poor timing and a lot more like a deliberate smear under the guise of a simple metaphor.

My wife is not very politically astute. She does not pay much attention to the details of the campaigns. But she does have some strong opinions anyway, just not very well informed opinions. When I have mentioned some of the things I don't like about B Husein Obama she has brushed them off. But when she heard the "lipstick on a pig" comment she went balistic.

Women do not take well to name calling. There are two names that I won't even hint at here that will boil the blood of any woman. But I have also known some women who will take offense at names that are actually terms of endearment if they are not uttered with total sincerity and love.

There is a fundamental difference in how men and women handle name calling. Most men can call each other some pretty nasty names and it is taken as just good clean (and sometimes not so clean) fun. It is just a part of the "bonding" ritual. Most men can take it and give as good as they get.

Unfortunately for B Husein Obama women do not take kindly to any kind of name calling. I do believe that he just alienated a large part of his female voter base with the lipstick comment.

In fact I think he just stuck both feet so far into his big mouth that it will take major "political surgery" to remove them. I think you can, metaphorically speaking, see his toes wiggling in his ears because of how deeply he planted his feet.

I hope he keeps the garbage coming. Not because I like it but because it will destroy any chance he has for even a decent showing in November, never mind winning.

[jack virtus]

I become more convinced every day that Obama really is an Idiot. This guy has a mis-speak almost every day, most recently the "PIG" remark, the Other day he referred to his "MUSLIM" faith, before that it's 57 states, then some gibberish about a breathalyzer verses inhalator, it goes on and on. Did this boob really mean "PIG"? I think he was certainly thinking that word, Though I don't think he actually meant to use it. Imagine If McCain or Palin used that word in connection with Obama or Bidens wives, all hell would have broken loose. This dullard is not ready for prime time!

[Dingbat36]

Guess BO's upbringing did not include any sort of instruction concerning how to engage the brain before opening the mouth. Of course that would have to assume that the person had some sort of capacity for thinking on his feet. I sometimes wonder if he thinks with his feet! :pfft:

[thomas]

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still going to stink after eight years."
And you can hide the Muslim in a race hating, spite filled church masquerading as Christian. It's still going to be a Muslim after twenty years. Just ask George Stephanopoulos
The Old Chief

[MISSL]

And this is the result of Affirmative Action: Pathetic

And this man is wanting to transcend old politics: Yeah, right! :rolleyes:
He must really be getting desperate for him to make such slanderous remarks! And that is what they were

[social-isms]

It is time to label Barack as he continues to label the Republican candidates.

BO is a socialist, elitist who is condescending and arrogant. And, it's mostly the MSM's fault. The media has given him a pass for so long that he felt invulnerable. He thought he could say anything to anyone.

Terri, I hope you allow this to stay, but I encourage all of you to visit this site, copy these bumper stickers by right clicking on them, and send them to everyone you know. They seem to say it all:

http://www.steve4kids.com/obama bumper stickers.htm

[papajaxxx]

Remarks said in desperation:

Name calling is the last resort when the truth nor the facts are on your side.

Sorry, for your situation BO! Not really! :D

[janmigl108]

From Wikipedia, free encyclopedia. In 2006 Senator George Allen twice used the word Macaca to refer to an Indian-American who was filming the event as a "tracker" for the opposing Webb campaign. Macaca means "monkey" and is commonly understood as a racial slur; it is generally used in Francophone African nations, which led to speculation that Allen may have heard the epithet from his mother, a Francophone who grew up in French-colonial Tunisia. Allen apologized and later said that he did not know the meaning of the word. In 2008, The Washington Post speculated that, were it not for this single utterance, Allen would have been a strong candidate for the 2008 Presidential nomination. Thank you lefties, now it's payback time.

[FlaJim]

Imagine the uproar if McCain had said, "We can't all sit around eating watermelon when there are issues to be faced." Would there have been any excuses offered by the MSM or any of his staff?

It's the typical leftist hypocrisy.

Husein ought to keep in mind that he may have been able to get away with disdaining and insulting Shrillary but Palin is armed and a crack shot!

[Terri]

Imagine the uproar if McCain had said, "We can't all sit around eating watermelon when there are issues to be faced." Would there have been any excuses offered by the MSM or any of his staff?
No kidding.

I turned on Laura Ingraham this morning and she was excusing this comment from Obama. Brit Hume was her guest and he did the same. That's silly. Anyone with half a brain could see what Obama was doing even without NewsBusters pointing out the cartoon. Laura needs to get a clue.

I'm tired of having Democrats pee on my foot and tell me it's raining. I have no interest at all in making phony excuses for this nasty man or in talk show hosts that bend over backward to give him a break.

IMO, the fish comment is actually worse than the lipstick comment and I hope he pays a big price for both. If the women I heard on Hugh Hewitt last night are representative he definitely will.

[MrJLDoug]

I think Obama knew exactly what he was saying even though he stuttered and UH'd his way through it. He knew exactly how the crowd would perceive the remark.
If he couldn't foresee the implications of that remark, it starkly points out his inexperience and adds to his pattern of bad judgment.
I just watched him complaining at an event that the McCain camp is engaging in smear politics and only want to focus on silly things these last 50 or so days instead important issues. The "Swiftboat" word also came up. He sure made hay out of the McCain housing thing as if McCain was senile.
IMO, the fish comment is actually worse than the lipstick comment and I hope he pays a big price for both
I agree Terri but I think most people will accept attacks on McCain. They have been for months . It still doesn't make it right.

[Terri]

Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’ (http://elections.foxnews.co m/2008/09/10/obama-accuses-mccain-of-swift-boat-politics/)

Fox News

Barack Obama responded Wednesday to the John McCain campaign’s call for an apology concerning his “lipstick on a pig” remarks, by calling the controversy “phony and foolish” and defending it as an “innocent remark” that was taken out of context.

Obama said his comment was meant to compare the policies of McCain to those of President Bush, and was in no way a reference to Republican vice presidential Sarah Palin.

Obama accused the McCain campaign of “lies and phony outrage” and “Swift-boat politics.” He said the “made-up controversy” was “cat nip for the news media.”

Oh yeah, keep it alive for another news cycle, Barack. :D

[clovers]

Petty Bickering? One may either excuse Obama's stupid reference as a thoughtless
( brainless) comment, which does little to enhance his intellectual image. or interpret it as a sleazy, nasty, venomous, below the belt attack on the Governor.

In either case, it is Obama who looks bad, not Governor Palin or Senator McCain.

Between Biden's off the wall claims about his own academic achievments, and Obama's chronic foot-in-mouth malady, they represent the gift that keeps giving - to Republicans!

LT

[KatyJ]

The more Obama speaks the greater chances for us in winning this election. I hope he continues to run his mouth.

Do you think their is a chance Bill Clinton will join him on the campaign trail?

[Arnoka]

Obama the Meesiah?

" Yes,we can!" "change" our opinion about you" lipstick on Pig..." is disgusting.

[Ohiowoman]

One may either excuse Obama's stupid reference as a thoughtless
( brainless) comment, which does little to enhance his intellectual image. or interpret it as a sleazy, nasty, venomous, below the belt attack on the Governor.

In either case, it is Obama who looks bad, not Governor Palin or Senator McCain.
Exactly, Clovers! We've been told over and over again that Obama is very intelligent, but then he comes out with this? The MSM will defend him, of course, but we know exactly what he meant. And so did his audience.

[mikejcurtis]

Whoa! whoa! people, let's slow down a bit! Lipstick on a pig is an common "Americanism"! John McCain used the same phrase just last fall when discussing Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan. If you read the taxt of Obama's remarks you can see he wasn't calling Sarah Palin a pig. John MCain's former press secretary even wrote a book called Lipstick on a pig. Let's stick to things that are meaningful!

[besolasmanos]

"We need to continually combat this stream of insults," Swift said, referring specifically to "what I can only deem to be disgraceful comments comparing our vice presidential nominee, Gov. Palin, to a pig." Has I have previously made reference to, before, at various times, the embedded passions, ideology, of the left are without the needed controls allowing human beings to live together of a united purpose. While Obama, today, may regret his lipstick, and pig comment, he was without control at the time he made it. His controls, at the time, were competely focused on "ME", singular passion, and to regain possession of what he appeared to be losing. So just, what were those controls, and were they of his efforts at the controls, or the efforts of control, that supply his possession? Of his lifes past, and present, it is plain to see, he did not combat the steady stream of that, which was an insult to the Republics voice, but sought to gain what he could of it, while talking out of both sides of his mouth. With is lipstick, pig comment, Obama was replicating the controls which enabled the Dean Scream, being of which are uncontrolled emotion, generated by the heat of the moment. Of that moment, Obama struck a blow, at the enemy with a weapon, not of his making, or of any personal strength to defeat his enemy, but of the hollow lies, rhetoric, which enable the possessions of his base. No man will support, or work for that, which is not a fact of their possession, or ability to increase those possessions. Those of the controls which Obama draws from, voices, are factual of their exhistence, just as any response of cover would be accepted has factual. It's a weapon quickly pulled to inflict injury, and can be quickly holstered, concealed, of the same hollow lies, rhetoric, that controls his base. SELF-LOVE

[MamaCat]

Let's stick to things that are meaningful!

I agree. By being pulled into this kind of pettiness, we are demeaning ourselves. Anyone who heard Obama's little discourse will form his or her own opinion and it will affect (or not) his consideration of the candidate.

Let's stay above the fray.

[72yearsyoung]

Well, here we all know he is not ready for:

morning time


mid-day time


afternoon time


evening time


night time


PRIME TIME


American time


CERTAINLY NOT POTUS and CIC time !!!!


Actually, not U.S. Senate time, where he has spent very little time, BTW

[Terri]

Mamacat, you're agreeing with a troll. First post and defending Obama already. But, go right ahead. Jump right on the Obama defense train.

This goes way beyond pettiness. It speaks directly to the candidate's lack of experience and lack of judgment and it's an excellent opportunity to point that out.

This man is running for president for God's sake. He's not a talk show host. He's not a moonbat on Daily Kos. He just sounds like one. It's time for his supporters who aren't just like him to realize what he is supporting and it's simple things like this that make a point.

Letting it pass without comment as though it has no importance is symptomatic of what has paralyzed Republicans from the Oval Office to the grassroots. We aren't going to be that politically correct here.

[ONTIME]

The Obama Train was moving full speed a head when the terrain was flat and the opposition weak, now there is some of those uphill places to challenge and the steam is running low and so is the civility, a sign of desperation and frustration.

B.O. and the gang are singing off key when they try and harmonize against the little gal from the N. Slope, Alaska's Sarah Palin. The more they howl and moan the better her simple straight forward message comes through, 'this government and all it parts need to be pared, fixed and made to work for us." It's going to be a really dirty campaign finale and the smell left by the jackass party is going to be harsh and heavy until swept away by the cold, fresh Alaskan air.

[Grover799]

Plain and simple, for those who think B. Hussein Obama just made a slip of the tongue; B. Hussein Obama always speaks from the script. That is how he got where he is, never deviate from the script. Those who say he has never had an original thought are very correct. Whether it be Emil Jones in the Illinois Legislature, or Harry Reid and Dick Durbin in the U.S. Senate, B. Hussein Obama only repeats what others have written and placed before him. This is why he doesn't want any part of unscripted, "Town Hall" debates. How can be prepare his answers without knowing the questions weeks ahead of time. The "lipstick" and "old fish" remarks are both offensive to everyone except, B. Hussein Obama, and the news media.

[MamaCat]

you're agreeing with a troll. First post and defending Obama already. But, go right ahead. Jump right on the Obama defense train.

Terri, if you and the others on this forum don't know my political bent by now you never will. I'm not defending Obama. I'm saying there are times you just move ahead and stay out of the pettiness . If you want to wrestle in the mud with someone trying to get your goat, be my guest. No one wins. It has nothing to do with being "politically correct".

If I have to demean and belittle anyone personally to be a member in good standing on this forum, then count me out.

Obama is not fit to lead our country. Based on his views and his lack of experience.

[social-isms]

"Don't tell me words don't matter."

Barack Obama while campaigning in Wisconsin on February 16, 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgMcht-EW6I

[sdavoli]

Our paper (a very liberal one) the St. Louis Post Disgrace as we call it, had a political cartoon of a pig with lipstick on it right after the convention speech. The left are getting scared & it shows with their childish & teenage attempts to demean Sarah. Obama said himself to his followers not to use smears against her, what happened?!!!

[TtownLady]

Simple, Sadovoli .....Obama lied.

[ddrinsp]

I do believe Obama is getting a bit flustered -- his lipstick on a pig showed very poor judgment on his part. However, I cannot help but feel that he knew EXACTLY what he was implying . . . even more so by addiing the following:

"It's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still going to stink after eight years."
Wonder why he fails to realize that many American voters believe his "Change" smells like an old fish . . . Marxism!

[Terri]

Terri, if you and the others on this forum don't know my political bent by now you never will. I'm not defending Obama. I'm saying there are times you just move ahead and stay out of the pettiness . If you want to wrestle in the mud with someone trying to get your goat, be my guest. No one wins. It has nothing to do with being "politically correct".

If I have to demean and belittle anyone personally to be a member in good standing on this forum, then count me out.
Mamacat, there are lots of issues threads here. Please feel free to participate in them or not, as you choose.

I've posted one knocking down the Palin library book lie, one knocking down the Palin per diem lie, there's one about getting Rangel off a committee, one about the truth of Palin's role in the Bridge to Nowhere, there are some about troop levels in Iraq, about North Korea's leader, etc., etc., etc. We have many choices.

We have no rules here demanding that anyone participate in a thread that they consider to be beneath them. Neither do we allow one member to decide what topics can be discussed.

[LAPhil]

I can't believe all this partisan rhetoric. First of all, I have never defended Obama about anything and probably never will again, but this is getting out of hand. The man made an innocent remark which some on "our side" found to be more than coincidental with the joke Sarah Palin told in which the word "lipstick" was used. I find it ridiculous that Obama's being accused of taking a deliberate shot at Palin with this common figure of speech. There are probably some on this forum who will call me a troll, but believe me, I'm a loyal Republican and always will be. I just believe in playing fair, even when it's not to our own advantage.

[Roberta Larimor]

Obama, having been through the "gauntlet" of willow branches covered in cotten balls is poo pooing even the suggestion of the obvious, when he was blasted by McCain over his "lipstick on a pig" comment. I can spin this right back to the issues; "If Obama can not understand that his comment is "BAD TIMING" considering Gov. Palins remark then how can he grasp "timing" regarding foreign affairs & the dialouge that goes with it? Fact is, Obama does not get it, so he claims & I'd say he has to be pretty blind not to see this connection. He doesn't get this & wants to in control of men & women in harms way? UNBELIEVABLE

[STEELMAN]

Swift said, referring specifically to "what I can only deem to be disgraceful comments comparing our vice presidential nominee, Gov. Palin, to a pig."

How about that! Here's a man running for president of the United States and wants to become commander-in-chief who has stooped to name calling to get elected...now THAT'S pathetic!

Obama doesn't know the difference between a hockey mom and a pig reference and he wants us to put him in the whitehouse!

Are you kidding me? I'm still amazed at how many people believe this guy! How can they be so stupid after all the evidence against him has been piled up?

Terri, I loved that line about the dems peeing on your foot and telling you it was raining!

That one cracked me up! Hope I remember that one. Precious!

"Don't tell me words don't matter."

Oh, I get it Obama, as long as no one uses them against you or your family huh?

Off limits you say? Well what good for the goose is good for the gander or if you can't take it don't dish it out ole boy!

[Terri]

"If Obama can not understand that his comment is "BAD TIMING" considering Gov. Palins remark then how can he grasp "timing" regarding foreign affairs & the dialouge that goes with it?
And that is the real point of this discussion.

LAPhil, I know it must be a real shock to find conservative Republicans on this conservative Republican website. :tqrolleyes:

If you cannot see the connection between the lipstick comment, the old fish comment and the text taken from the liberal cartoon, then I can't help you.

And if you can't understand that Obama's lack of judgment in using an attack like this against his opponents is material to his fitness to fill the office for which he runs, I can't help you with that either.

[Roberta Larimor]

One thing is clear, all you need a a little common sense to understand why the Mccain camp reacted. It seems Obama is void of any common sense, at least in this. The guy won't even apologize.

[LAPhil]

No, Terri. I don't know why would you think I would be shocked to find people like myself on this forum, since I too, am a conservative Republican. You seem to have totally missed my point. I'm saying it's a stretch to tie Obama's metaphor about lipstick on a pig to Palin's joke about the absence of lipstick on a pit bull. It's not terribly productive to continue this back and forth game of "gotcha" when there are more important issues on the table right now. Is disagreement among otherwise like-minded people not possible here?

[Roberta Larimor]

I don't agree with your "Stop Illeagal Immigration" banner. How about "border control". Solutions in a shout are really informative .

[LAPhil]

I don't agree with your "Stop Illeagal Immigration" banner. How about "border control". Solutions in a shout are really informative .
That's nice. What's that got to do with the topic?

[STEELMAN]

It's not terribly productive to continue this back and forth game of "gotcha" when there are more important issues on the table right now.

Tell it to the congress of the United States who have yet to learn this lesson.

This kind of "thing", for lack of a better word for the moment, goes on continually as clearly noted by their failure to solve difficult issues at hand.

This is not new and I agree they should stand more mature in their approach to problem solving but their humanisms and imperfections keep getting in the way.

Their egos don't help much either. There are exceptions, however, but those are far and few between.

[cruiseprof]

I think this is "the pot calling the kettle black." No pun intended. But Obama is the one who keeps trying to "put lipstick on a pig." His idea of "change" is to repackage the same, tired, old, failed, socialistic, New Deal & Great Society programs. He is trying to dress up this income redistribution, class warfare rhetoric with some lipstick called "change." He can put all the lipstick he wants on his plans for "change," but they will still represent the same old pig (Marxism).

[Dd3075]

I think what we are seeing from Obama and his campaign is the "Ready! Fire! Aim!" reactionary approach to verbal retaliation.

Maybe it's a result of his failure to support or understand the 2nd Ammendment. :hilarious:

But I think we can all agree, whether the phrase was issued with or without intent to insult Sarah, that if he doesn't grasp how words and phrases can be misunderstood and/or misinterpreted, and the harm that can be inflicted, then it would be incredibly dangerous to see BO as POTUS where he needs impecable diplomacy to deal with other countries.

[besolasmanos]

I believe Odrama said his lipstick comment was an "innocent remark" taken out of context; soooo...let's add some context: New Pig Book says Hillary Clinton's tops in pork spending, Barack Obama's 2nd, but John McCain had none!
The nonpartisan taxpayer watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste is out with its newest Pig Book, an overwhelming detailing of all 11,610 pork barrel projects inserted in the current fiscal year's appropriations bills by individual members of Congress
http://latimesblogs.latimes .com/washington/2008/04/pig-book.html All the lipstick in the world cannot cover up this fact, so the Odrama character tries to put the porkers garments on another face. I would imagine, the pork reference to earmarks, and his outstanding position of 2nd porker, weighs heavy on his mind. To remove any aspects of guilt, in his person, it always works well to shift the blame on the innocent. It is of great assistance, in removing guilt, when the jury of your peers enjoy the same cuts of pork.

[Terri]

I'm saying it's a stretch to tie Obama's metaphor about lipstick on a pig to Palin's joke about the absence of lipstick on a pit bull. It's not terribly productive to continue this back and forth game of "gotcha" when there are more important issues on the table right now. Is disagreement among otherwise like-minded people not possible here?
It seems to be possible. I see you here disagreeing. Anyone else see him?

[thomas]

Have you noticed whenever Obama gets into trouble over one of his snide, foolish, stupid remarks or flip-flops, it's always the audience who misunderstands him, never, never his error, it's always, always "you guys" who don't get it. It seems our community organizer cannot accept any responsibility. What a shallow, immature, pompous ass Obama turned out to be. Even the Democrats should have done better than this guy. What a looser.
The Old Chief

[LAPhil]

It seems to be possible. I see you here disagreeing. Anyone else see him?

Terri, the reason I asked the question is because you seemed to assume that because I disagreed about this one issue I was somehow not a conservative Republican.

[Terri]

I told you who we are. GOPUSA is a conservative Republican website. We are partisan. We make no pretense of thinking the sides are equal. We do have one thing in common with Obama. We think words have meaning.

The thread isn't about you. If you continue to make it personal I'm going to move your posts to Rants.

Now, let's get back on topic, please. If you don't like the topic there are others. Agree, disagree but stick to the topic or choose another.

[MrJLDoug]

But I think we can all agree, whether the phrase was issued with or without intent to insult Sarah, that if he doesn't grasp how words and phrases can be misunderstood and/or misinterpreted, and the harm that can be inflicted, then it would be incredibly dangerous to see BO as POTUS where he needs impecable diplomacy to deal with other countries
That is exactly the point and what several of us have been pointing out. It was a much bigger deal had he not meant it toward Gov Palin in that he isn't qualified to carry on foreign policy issues.

[enzo]

You can dress a chimp in a man’s suit…
but it’s still a chimp!

Now don’t take this comment out of context, people… I’m merely referring to trained simians like in Hollywood movies. Remember The Hathaway's and Lance Link, Secret Chimp? Those were great comedies that made us smile.

[schillerbjr]

Obama: "The Democrat 'gaffe' machine"!!

[Thundercat505]

RW--Just another example of Obama not having a single original thought in his head....

I will agree on this and the comment JV made about him being an idiot. in talking with some friends I was told what they think---that obama speaks well but without that telepromter or plaguerism he can't think or speak his way out of a paper sack!!

this could be something blown way out of context----BUT I BET YOU IT WASN'T!! I think he made the comments aimed right at palin and mccain!

[RW]

Considering Obama's muslim background, and the total disgust muslims have for the porcine species, and for the female of OUR species, the madder I get!

[qrayjack]

Obama knew what he was saying. Even with no other connection, the two statements were obviously directed at Palin and McCain, and it represents much worse than poor judgement, it shows panic.

Obama's radical left advisors saw the trends in the polls and that they represented more than a brief bounce. Harsh measures were called for. They came up with the two lines and Obama got on board with it. It was a malicious, deliberate attack and I believe he really thought he'd get away with it, and why not? He's been mister untouchable.

But this time a firestorm erupted, he couldn't control the media, and there is a major irony. Obama blasting the media for going big with the story? You gotta be kidding.

I think at some point today, the drivebys realized that control had been lost and Obama was in deep doodoo, because ABC radio news, on one top of the hour report, and that one hour only, played a series of recordings of Republicans saying the 'lipstick on a pig' line. They did everything but say outright "See? See? Republicans themselves said it!" Of course what they didn't say was that when those statements were made nobody had ever heard of Sarah Palin.

I strenuously disagree that the campaign should have just shrugged this off. As Terri said, we've done that for far too long and it only emboldens the left to more vicious attacks. Without question, Obama had to be taken to task for something that had a Republican done it, he would have been crucified.

This is not a time to ignore reality simply because the reality is not very nice. The Democrats have clearly shown that they have no intention of conducting this election on a 'nice' level or even a decent one. I am not going to allow these thugs to intimidate me and neither should anyone else. By that I mean that this is my ticket and bygod nobody is going to going to slime it and get away with it.

[besolasmanos]

"It was a malicious, deliberate attack and I believe he really thought he'd get away with it, and why not? He's been mister untouchable...Obama blasting the media for going big with the story? You gotta be kidding." Mr. Untouchable, who is in desperate need of being touched, questioned of his actions by a media that has, all but given him a free pass. As was mentioned before, Obama is a skilled orator, and as we have seen, has run a very well scripted campaign, down to the smallest detail. Hand, and hand, with the MSM, even gaffs, such as his failure to visit soldiers wounded on the Iraqi battlefield, were passed over with fluff. Time is short, and election day is just around the corner. What better way is their to occupy the media, then to interject a point of speculation. A minor point to raise the turbulance, and take up time, while his 527's dig into Gov. Palins past, and slow down the process of reporting his true past, and associations. Obama theorizes, speculates that, by interjecting the fights he knows he can win with his base, perhaps of that win he holds, and hopes to gain, support of independents. Combined with his recent O'Reilly interview, this comes down to a fake with his right, and a glancing blow with his left. An interjection of his own turbulance to reap its benefits.

[Transaction7]

I’m not much concerned about whether or not Obama’s use of the “lipstick on a pig” line was intentionally or unintentionally sexist.

What does get my goat here is that Obama, who factcheck.org and I, among others, have determined was not truthful but lied in his representations of his true views and actions on abortion, including his recent misrepresentations that he opposed and did not believe the Constitution barred states from prohibiting late term and partial-birth abortions, when, in fact, there is no available record of his ever having offered, co-sponsored, or voted for any bill or amendment either in the Illinois legislature or the U. S. Congress to such effects. I have read his published piece in the Harvard Law Review, a classic argument for unfettered abortion rights, which has been posted on line, and it makes no mention of any such views that late-term and partial-birth abortions either Constitutionally may, or should, be prohibited, nor of any disagreement with the abortion industry shill groups who have given him 100% pro-abortion ratings and endorsed him. It also appears represented that he held one set of plans and intentions about the Iraq war when he was courting the far left wing of the Democratic party in the primaries, but now says he favors something significantly different, among other examples and evidence that he is a typical dishonest, lying politician who will say anything to gain an advantage and then say and do something different to gain one when it appears that making an inconsistent statement will help him, should use his slick oratory to impugn both the qualifications, and the veracity and integrity, of John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Obama’s statement for the record that [attacks upon opposing candidates’]“families are off limits” in the campaign sounds like he is taking the high road. However, even Bob Scheiffer (sp?) at liberal CBS noted that he could do that sure that his supporters in the mainstream media, and the blogosphere, would keep up such attacks about Palin’s children, etc. Either Obama lied about this position, or has just revealed his total lack of leadership ability, because he certainly has not got his worshipful supporters in the media and blogosphere to follow his professed position and pick on someone their own size who is actually running. I have also read that his operatives have gone to Alaska to dig and dish such dirt.

I have also not seen Obama call down the Washington Post for an article attacking Cindy McCain’s long-dead grandfather for alleged actions about eighteen seventy (1870), hardly late-breaking, news, or in anywise relevant or fair, nor the AP for a recent article about his son having served briefly as a director of recently-failed bank which, like the NY Times’ infamous attempt to link John McCain sexually to a lobbyist some of whose clients’ interests he had actually voted against, was devoid of any facts or evidence whatsoever that he or his son had done anything wrong or even been in office when the loans that went sour had been made.

By the way, anyone familiar with “community organizers” would immediately think, not of Jesus Christ or others to whom some Obama supporters and worshippers have tried to compare him in this, but of the leftist radical Saul Alinsky who appears to have coined the term, and whose great success appears to have been getting what is now the Daley machine in Chicago started. Actually, I’m still looking and waiting for some solid evidence that Obama actually accomplished any major reforms of the system in Chicago either in his “community organizer” role or his law practice, etc. He‘s bright and a great orator, but I wish that he would come forward not only with any evidence of solid political accomplishment, or any real and significant experience working across party lines and actually getting anything of note done in the process, since graduating from law school.

[yogi]

You can dress a chimp in a man’s suit…
but it’s still a chimp!

Now don’t take this comment out of context, people… I’m merely referring to trained simians like in Hollywood movies. Remember The Hathaway's and Lance Link, Secret Chimp? Those were great comedies that made us smile.

OK - you are way too late in your obvious attack on our former president, Ronald Reagan. After all he starred in a chimp movie; "Bedtime for Bonzo". LOL

[qrayjack]

*And the Dems continue to implode. This attack is particularly grotesque:

S.C. Dem chair: Palin primary qualification is she hasn't had an abortion - Jonathon Martin, Politico

South Carolina Democratic chairwoman Carol Fowler sharply attacked Sarah Palin today, saying John McCain had chosen a running mate "whose primary qualification seems to be that she hasn’t had an abortion.”

Palin is an opponent of abortion rights and gave birth to her fifth child, Trig, earlier this year after finding out during her pregnancy that the baby had Down syndrome.

Fowler told my colleague Alex Burns in an interview that the selection of an opponent of abortion rights would not boost McCain among many women.

“Among Democratic women and even among independent women, I don’t think it helped him,” she said.

MORE (http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/SC_Dem_chair_Palin_p rimary_qualification _is_she_hasnt_had_an _abortion_.html?show all)

*Then when heat comes down, Ms. Fowler follows up with an 'apology' that is nothing more than irate defensiveness.

[Terri]

There is a thread on the Fowler story already posted in Political Buzz.

[Paczki]

Let's assume Obama's remark was innocent, that he was fishing around in his head for a fun-sounding comment often used in DC by politicians. He's "uh-ing" his way to it and finally gets it out. "OH DEAR," he thinks. That might be impolitic; it might be the politics of destruction that I so want to avoid. Oops. Too late."
Now imagine he, by some stretch of voter brain, makes it to the presidency. He's talking with a leader of a foreign country, perhaps a potential bomb-button-pushing, wild-eyed....
Is Obama going to be able to think fast enough and carefully enough to realize the potential impact of something he might be about to say?

Either he intended to say it with all its meaning, or he oopsed. Either way....UH UH.