Tuesday, October 9, 2007

[Terri]

:flag17: Welcome to :gopusa:

Good morning! :sun1:

The MSNBC spit debate begins at 4:00 EDT. Isn't that weird? So, they want to host a debate but they don't want anyone to see it. Oh, what's wrong with me? It's on MSNBC so no one will see no matter what time they have it. :doh:

My thoughts on Dr. James Dobson's appearance on Hannity and Colmes are posted in last night's Precinct. I can't go through them again without stroking out. :fire:

I have only one question for Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family and that is this. How much did George Soros donate? Follow the money.

George Allen has endorsed Fred Thompson. :yes:

Yesterday, students at a Tehran University chanted "Death to Dictator!" when Almadinejah visited their campus. In the US Columbia students cheer. :ugh:

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Quotes of the Day: "The best way to meet a Democratic politician is to reach for your wallet and he’ll there shaking your hand." ~ Mitt Romney

"We're going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth." ~ Barack Hussein Obama :str:

God Bless our great country. :flag19: May Freedom ever ring!

[KatyJ]

Good Tuesday morning everyone. :wavey:

I place apple cinnamon muffins in the lounge.

Today, I have marketing class. I enjoy this class alot.

I am glad I didn't watch Dr. James Dobson on Hannity and Worm last night. Our tv probably wouldn't have survived.

Kudos to George Allen for endorsing Fred Thompson. :twothumbsup:

Today, I will be stopping by Republican headquarters after school.

My Young Republicans group will not be meeting this month.

:ha: Yankees lost.

[RW]

Nice day in my corner of Paradise...

Terri, I don't balme you, stuff like that makes my blood boil, too. It's very simple, tho, to find out who is donating to a 501 (c) 3....make a tiny donation and demand tax form 990. They HAVE to give it to you. Then see who donates how much and when. Soros just might be donating, but under a fake corporate name. I think yer right, Terri, follow the money. AND because I think Georgy Boy is donating, that's why the media has kept their hands off the form 990!

Kid is livid with her father....remember the car thing? He wanted her to give him cash, and he write the check to the finance company. He also wanted the password to her online banking. She refused both. She gave him a check written to the finance company, not him, and it hasn't cleared her bank yet. I pity him when she confronts him.

I hope everybody goes to cartoon central, every day, I do and really either makes me laff out loud or makes me think.

Back to work, gotta churn revenue!

[KatyJ]

I am home from walking around the block. It is getting humid here. Thank goodness, their isn't any rain in the forecast.

The key reason I will not be taking spring term classes is the election. I have been reading the posts from the Guiliani thread and it makes me :fire: when I read some of the not so smart voters out there.

Democrats will not allow us to live our lives like we want them. They will control how we eat and conduct our daily lives. We will not be able to worship in churches We will be paying higher taxes, especially those who work.

I am leaving for school now.

bbl. :wavey:

[MarcyMarie]

I wish I hadn't already eaten my breakfast this morning. I got an email about the San Francisco Folsom Street Fair. The one to celebrate leather pride.

Evidently, the media saw no reason to cover it even though the organizers claim over 400,000 attended. The police were said to have backed off as well.

The email included a link to pictures. I wasn't thrilled with the idea of

This was all out in the open on the streets. What was going on would have been disgusting enough in private, but out in public where children could see it made it horrifying.

Just this morning I was told of a 6 year old boy who sexually assaulted a 4 year old girl in a day care center locally. What had he viewed to give him ideas like that?

Around here they have even made kissing illegal in the parks because of activity that has gone on. They didn't want to single out anyone or have anyone cry discrimination.

Where is this going to end?

I apologize for upsetting your breakfast.

[Mary-Lou]

I can't even BEGIN to tell you how upset I am about Dobson. You see, about fifteen years ago, his organization was the ONLY one that stood by me when I went through a terrible family and spiritual crisis. So I have a sort of bond with them. Now I feel as though I have been UTTERLY betrayed by the LAST Christian organization I actually agreed with. So now it's just me and Jesus. I suppose that should be enough, after all, Jesus is All in All, The Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and the End, but one does long for human fellowship and agreement with like minded believers OCCASIONALLY. Especially when all my (non-online) friends are rock and reggae musicians and have slightly different belief systems than I do with regards to religion and politics. (sigh).

I just had to re-register here at GOPUSA even, as I got knocked off the site. I know it was probably just a technical glitch, but I could get a complex this way! :)

[Terri]

There are two new articles on the Dobson controversy posted in the Loft, one by Bobby and one by Rachel Alexander.

[Luckyme]

Good morning everyone. Going to be another pleasant, :sunspin: autumn day. We've got a lot of beautiful fall colors on our trees, but no where near peak color yet. I always hope this season lasts for as long as possible, but it's never long enough for me.

I have only one question for Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family and that is this. How much did George Soros donate? Follow the money.
It certainly seems he is doing his best to get Hillary elected while pretending to be on the 'right' side. I don't see how he can be considered to be a christian and covertly support the 'left' and all they stand for. In MHO, that is exactly what he did the last election cycle and now it seems he's doing it again. He seems to be a snake oil salesman of the worst kind. :shake: I'll wait and see what happens in the next few months and especially after the primaries. If he doesn't support one of ours, I'll be convinced of my opinion.

We know we don't have enough registered Republicans to win and have to hope there are enough Independents that will join us or Hillary will be our next president.

[MarcyMarie]

If you check the Focus on the Family website there are two different organizations.

Donations to Focus on the Family Action, Inc. are not tax deductable.

They also put out an annual report and there is a link if you want to check under contact us. They also have fiscal reports going back three years that can be viewed.

I think before anyone starts throwing mud and accusing him of being linked to George Soros you should check things out..

How does this make you any different than the Democrats you complain about?

By the way I am not offering an opinion one way or the other on the debate, but I believe it is important to find things out before accusing.

I guess I should have put this on the trivia question Sunday.. too much of the internet is made up of people not bothering to check things out.... been fighting that for 7 years.

[RW]

Lucky Me,

Your sig line, by Doug Patton says it all.
“Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil.” —Doug Patton

[Granite River]

Democrats will not allow us to live our lives like we want them. They will control how we eat and conduct our daily lives. We will not be able to worship in churches

But every illegal child will be insured on our dime. We will be encouraged to marry a closely related person of the same sex or perhaps a barn yard animal. There won’t be a lot of churches left open but there will be a lot of mosques – and you better be in one every Friday. I some times wonder – as the liberal horde embraces islam – how they plan to integrate their perverted activities into the muslim society that they are doing their best to turn the western world over to.

Sorry Mary Lou, James Dobson seems to be worried that his oh so expensive life style will be compromised if Rudi is elected. I agree that his fund raising efforts will be much more successful if Hillary is elected. He may be afraid that Rudi would nominate a couple more sane SC judges who would turn the abortion debate back to the states. That would kill his cow.

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[Terri]

I think before anyone starts throwing mud and accusing him of being linked to George Soros you should check things out..

It's a political opinion, Marcy. You know, just like the ones you've been posting defending Dr. Dobson.

We talk about politics here and we talk about possible motives for why people may change horses in the middle of the stream.

Dr. Dobson outright said last night that he thinks the prolife movement will be better off under Hillary. One possible reason for that could be money.

[MarcyMarie]

Dr. Dobson outright said last night that he thinks the prolife movement will be better off under Hillary. One possible reason for that could be money.

Since I didn't hear it and don't know the whole context in which he said it I can't comment on what you have said, but my point was before accusing him of getting money from George Soros check it out.

As I said in my earlier post I wasn't offering an opinion on either side of the debate.. my post concerned accusations without back up. You weren't the only one who made the accusation.

I would like to see this forum participate more in facts than gossip and heresay. I hoped it would stay above the level of the Democrats. I guess I was mistaken.

[RW]

Here's the deal on Dobson, as he himself said, the pro-life movement will be better off under Hillary, cuz they would fight harder. HOW do they fight? With MONEY, as well as demonstrations and so on. His money stream will either stay the same or INCREASE under a sinful, evil Democrat, especially Hillary! Ya really think he wants his organizations to stumble? It most likely would with an anti-abortion OR pro_abortion Republican President. Because instead of putting their "faith (read:money)" in Dobson, they'll put their faith (read: Keep their money at home) into the President.

NOW do ya get it, you "gonna stay at home cuz I don't like the REPUBLICAN'S values," folks?

[Terri]

Since I didn't hear it and don't know the whole context in which he said it I can't comment on what you have said, but my point was before accusing him of getting money from George Soros check it out.
May I suggest that you might be better able to address it if you had watched it or if you would go over to the Loft and watch it now.

I would like to see this forum participate more in facts than gossip and heresay. I hoped it would stay above the level of the Democrats. I guess I was mistaken.
Slam us all you want.

Adding to that, there is much information posted in this forum and I at least watched the interview so there is a small chance that I just might know something about it.

[Charie]

Terri, did Dobson say that in those words? That's incredible! Has he lost his mind?

M-L, don't ever put your faith in people or religion, only the Lord. Then you'll never be let down.

Marcy, I got that e-mail, too. It was the most sickening thing I ever saw. But at least they gave you plenty of warning that it was explicit. This kind of perversion right out in the streets is beyond understanding. Half naked people being beaten with paddles and whips and having nails with thongs attached to their backs or chests so they could be pulled on just about made me throw up. I was sitting as far back from the computer screen as I could. Right in the streets. And in one picture there was a picture of a huge bottle of Miller behind the masochist.

And hey, you conservatives who won't vote for any of our Republican candidates.......... .... you can look forward to an expansion of this kind of stuff if the Dems take over. This is right in San Fran Nan's district!!

Just heard that Miller and Coors merged this morning. Maybe that's why we haven't heard much from Miller about their sponsorship of this detestable event.

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I've got a good start on the newsletter. The printer asked if I would do it in a different format. I was doing it in a two page format which is what most printers want, but this one wants it in a single page and is it ever time-consuming. They want it sent in one page at a time, which actually will be easier, I guess, than putting it on esnips for them. Just more difficult for me.

I'm running our local reps. bill on sanctuary cities on the front page. At least he's ready to stand up and be counted. Only 25 reps signed on and 5 senators - buncha cowards! The majority of Wisconsinites don't want sanctuary cities but because the pro-illegal alien bloc is so vocal the legislators would rather go along to get along because conservatives as a rule (I'm a maverick, I guess) just sit quietly by and let these things occur.

I don't sit quietly by about anything, as a rule. Gets me in trouble at times.

SYL

[Terri]

Dobson said that he thought the prolife movement would die under Rudy or a similar president because people would give up. But that it would do better under Hillary because people would fight.

There is a video in Bobby's Loft column. I'm not sure if it is complete because quite frankly, I don't know if I can stand to listen to it again.

[lpara]

Again, if PRO-LIFE is TRULY a principle, then it should remain a burning in the bosom until either Roe V Wade is overturned or whatever. To say that it will die just because the most conservative candidate does not win, is . . . illogical. My thoughts on pro-life are not going to change. My fight for it will not change--it matters not who inhabits the White House in that regard.

BOTTOM LINE: It's IDIOTIC to think ANYTHING would be better under Hillary.

[lpara]

PS--Thanks for the heads up on the debate--I would have looked for it tonight--got it tivo'd. I hope I can stomach watching Chris Matthews, isn't he the one refereeing? :ugh:

[Terri]

The statement about the prolife movement under Rudy and under Hillary is in there.

You can hear it for yourselves if you will take 5 minutes to do so.

In my opinion, he is saying that the prolife movement will more likely survive under Hillary and that it's supporters will give up under Rudy.

That makes no sense to me.

[azwhitewolf]

In my opinion, he is saying that the prolife movement will more likely survive under Hillary and that it's supporters will give up under Rudy.
I guess all those Christian policies that Bush has pushed for the last 8 years dented Dobson's financials.

No wonder he hates us. Republicans did everything he wanted.

Wait... What?
I would like to see this forum participate more in facts than gossip and heresay. I hoped it would stay above the level of the Democrats. I guess I was mistaken.
Democrats aren't threatening to throw their votes away.

[papajaxxx]

Good Tuesday Morning:

Dr. Dobson outright said last night that he thinks the prolife movement will be better off under Hillary.

Dr. Dobson is comparing Hillary to Rudy in context with the "prolife movement". Hillary would make them fight harder? I'd like to know what he's thinking because it does not sound logical.

I believe Rudy could be converted to a prolifer some day, but that's just me. Hillary will never convert under any circumstances.

Just heard that Miller and Coors merged this morning.

Does this mean we will have Rocky Mountain water beer brewed in Milwaukee? We can call the new beer Moor's.:D

Later folks! :wavey:

[Mary-Lou]

Just heard that Miller and Coors merged this morning. Maybe that's why we haven't heard much from Miller about their sponsorship of this detestable event.
Just a factoid you might all want to know. Coors gets the water that it brews its beer with fromm Clear Creek in Golden, Colorado, where I went White Water Rafting. Class 4 Rapids. Although I DID NOT pee in my wet suit, everyone ELSE in the raft did, due to sheer terror. Everyone else in every other raft pees in their wet suits as well UPRIVER from the brewery. My Bass Player drinks Coors Light (to excess I might add, but that's another story). I told him about that White Water rafters. He said that explains the taste. Now we know why it has that distinctive golden color. BTW, the rafting company has to systematicly sanitize all the wetsuits every trip because they just assume that the city slicker newbies WILL have this experience (except, of course, yours truly, but I ride Harleys and jump out of airplanes with some regularity).

Anyway, another reason NOT to drink Coors.
Avoid Miller just on general principals.

Bud supports America and the Troops, and I LOVE Bud Light, the Bikers' Brew!

[MarcyMarie]

First, I shall go back to my earlier post. My original point was not about Dr. Dobson and this debate per se.

My point was that by using innuendo and supposition, which is decried when the Democrats do it, one puts him or her self on the same level, actually on a lower level, since the person is doing exactly the thing he/she is criticizing the other side of doing.

A dignified debate should be about facts and innuendo and supposition have no place there. When one resorts to that it puts one down with the other side and what he/she has to say loses credence.

If you or anyone else believes that there is a connection between Dr. Dobson and George Soros, then seek to find it. Don't make accusations without foundation... it lowers the credibility of the debate.

That was my point.

[RealDeal]

On a lighter note:

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(Watch out for those canldesticks!)

[Terri]

I believe I can handle my own opinions but thanks for the lecture, Marcy.

Again, I say follow the money.

It sounds to me as though Dr. Dobson is worried about losing funding.

He seems to think that people will be more inspired to fight back (donate) under Hillary than a Republican.

He fails to take into consideration the effect of hate crime laws on the church, on organizations such as his, on the right to speak out on Biblical teachings about homosexuality and on the prolife movement.

Follow the money.

[RealDeal]

He fails to take into consideration the effect of hate crime laws on the church, on organizations such as his, on the right to speak out on Biblical teachings about homosexuality and on the prolife movement.

Or standing for Israel...

[MarcyMarie]

Secondly, to the debate itself. I did listen to the fragmented video. I listened carefully.

Dr. Dobson made a vow in 1988, I believe it was, that he would never vote for a candidate who supported abortion. That is a vow he feels he has to keep.

As to the remark concerning Hillary, I understand what he said and why, and it doesn't have to do with money (at least not directly). It has to do with mobilizing people. That if she were to get elected the shock might get people who have been inactive before to finally do something.

A Hillary election would make conservatives angry enough to want to fight.. Guilliani would, on the other hand, keep people lethargic maybe even decide they had nowhere to go any more and give up. He was pointing out what, in his opinion, would happen to the prolife movement, if either got elected.

He was not advocating a vote for Hillary or suggesting even that she should win.

This discussion was about Guilliani and Hillary and why Dr. Dobson disagreed with Hannity's support of Guilliani.

I would suggest that you listen and listen carefully to what he said.

The money part would come in just where it does here.... put your money where your mouth is. Help bring about change... something he has advocated for years.

If you think it is about the money.. prove it.

[RealDeal]

Dr. Dobson made a vow in 1988, I believe it was, that he would never vote for a candidate who supported abortion. That is a vow he feels he has to keep.

Unless he is willing to name his choice, rahter then talk about a third party LOSER, he should keep his opinions to himself.

He was not advocating a vote for Hillary or suggesting even that she should win.


A vote for a third party candidate IS A VOTE FOR HILLARY.

A Hillary election would make conservatives angry enough to want to fight..

"THEY" haven't been "angry enough to fight" for 30+ years.... this will be no different. Did we have a big uprising under Clinton I?..... yeah, didn't think so.

Annonomously writing a check is easy, annonomously voting against America is easy... ACTUALLY GETTING OFF FANNIES AND RISKING SOMETHING IS HARD... I am sick of the hypocrisy of THE CHURCH!! Moreso than I am of the RINOs in the GOP.

[Mary-Lou]

Although I UNDERSTAND what Dr. Dobson is saying, I DON'T agree. There is a big difference between misunderstanding something and disagreeing with something. I honestly DO NOT believe he is behind Hillary or taking money from Soros, but the damage he is causing with his remarks has the same net effect, and THAT is what bothers me. And on top of that, there are many people in the Evangelical World who have enjoyed marvelous reputations among Christians who have been involved in horrific scandals, proving that anyone can be deceived. We are supposed to be as "wise as serpents and as innocent as doves". Well, I got the dove part down, but I keep getting disappointed on the other front! :(

[Terri]

Secondly, to the debate itself. I did listen to the fragmented video. I listened carefully.
We did not make the video but I'm sure commercial breaks were removed.

Dr. Dobson made a vow in 1988, I believe it was, that he would never vote for a candidate who supported abortion. That is a vow he feels he has to keep.
But he doesn't mind at all if an active pro-abort candidate is elected directly because of his instructions to his followers.

As to the remark concerning Hillary, I understand what he said and why, and it doesn't have to do with money (at least not directly). It has to do with mobilizing people. That if she were to get elected the shock might get people who have been inactive before to finally do something.

Of course it does. No political fight can be carried on without money. Substitute donate for fight. Yes, those who have been inactive before might finally give a few bucks.

A Hillary election would make conservatives angry enough to want to fight.. Guilliani would, on the other hand, keep people lethargic maybe even decide they had nowhere to go any more and give up. He was pointing out what, in his opinion, would happen to the prolife movement, if either got elected.
Would you please address hate crimes? Just how do you think Dobson is going to carry on his fight for life or his fight for anything else when he is no longer able to say that abortion or homosexual marriage is wrong?

He was not advocating a vote for Hillary or suggesting even that she should win.
You don't get it, Marcy. A vote for a third party is a vote for Hillary.

I would suggest that you listen and listen carefully to what he said.
And I would suggest that you wake up and realize the effect of a Hillary presidency on the Christian church in America. Perhaps it will thrive underground.

The money part would come in just where it does here.... put your money where your mouth is. Help bring about change... something he has advocated for years.
Send me more money.

If you think it is about the money.. prove it.
Wake up. It's all about money. Would there be a Right to Life movement without it? No. Would Focus on the Family exist without it? No Could James Dobson dabble in the political future of America without it? No.

[RealDeal]

his remarks has the same net effect, and THAT is what bothers me.

What bothers me more is HE KNOWS IT! And is doing so anyway.. he cannot claim to not know the "ways of the world"... he's been involved long enough and deep enough to know EXACTLY how it works!!

I actually can't even say what I truly want to...

[lpara]

If you or anyone else believes that there is a connection between Dr. Dobson and George Soros, then seek to find it. Don't make accusations without foundation... it lowers the credibility of the debate.

That was my point.

I took the George Soros comment as TIC sort of--because GS is obviously supporting the liberals and if someone votes third party, they are too.

[RealDeal]

I hope Dobson can stand with pride when ALL HELL UNLEASHES AGAINST OUR TROOPS upon the announcement that Hillary is elected.

[Luckyme]

This discussion was about Guilliani and Hillary and why Dr. Dobson disagreed with Hannity's support of Guilliani.

I would suggest that you listen and listen carefully to what he said.
I didn't watch the video because I heard the entire discussion last night and don't think my BP could stand to hear it again despite all my meds to control it. So, keeping that in mind, I'm not sure the video you watched on this forum contained the entire discussion. Are you aware that Dobson had something negative to say about every Republican candidate that Hannity asked him about, not just Guilliani? He made it pretty clear, at least to me, that he probably won't be supporting any Republican for one reason or another. Sure sounds like he's going over to the 'dark side' to me.

With power and fame, comes reponsibilty. If he is a christian, he should be supporting a candidate with christian values. I would certainly think Duncan Hunter and others would qualify, but he isn't even supporting them at a time that could be very helpful to get them more recognition. That may not tell you anything, but it tells me a lot.

[KatyJ]

Hi everyone. :wavey:

I am home from school. It was a great class.

I went by Peterbrooke Chocolatier and bought some goodies. I bought chocolate covered popcorn, chocolate covered bridge mix and sugar free chocolate bridge mix.

Also, I went by Republican headquarters. I told them I will be able to help in December.

I also received information on how to contact Fred Thompson's campaign for Northeast Florida.

The debate will be broadcast live on CNBC. Hopefully, our candidates will be ready to take on Chris Matthews.

I have schoolwork to do. I will be back later. :wavey:

[Terri]

If he is a christian, he should be supporting a candidate with christian values. I would certainly think Duncan Hunter and others would qualify, but he isn't even supporting them at a time that could be very helpful to get them more recognition. That may not tell you anything, but it tells me a lot.
Mike Huckabee is a Christian pastor. Why does Dr. Dobson not support him?

Why a third party when people like Huckabee and Brownback are running. Brownback is the epitome of a right to life candidate.

Why?

[RealDeal]

btw~ I STILL haven't gotten any response to my emails... and no, I'm not gonna send 50 bucks.

Time for another phonecall....CONTACT INFO (http://family.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/family.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid= 14190)

ANYONE ELSE?

[RealDeal]

Well, that wasn;'t any more satisfying than the last phonecall... just merely an "I'll pass the info along"... (I hope and pray he is getting thousands of calls, especially after last night.)

My statement/ question:

"In the past I have had great respect for Dr. Dobson. But, unless he WANTS to see a Hillary landslide, he should endorse someone from the GOP lineup NOW... there's Huckabee, Hunter, Tancredo, Brownback, Cox, and Keyes... why doesn't he pick one? Talk of a third party is LUDICROUS! and I expect more than that from him as a Christian leader!!"

Not verbatum... but close.

[RW]

I gotta say sumpin here.....I've looked at the Democratic, liberal sites. On NONE of them, can I find interesting, non-name calling, trying to discuss rationally, respectfully and factually hot issues as we do here. Lousy grammar, OK, Folks, I am no Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell or Anne Coulter, But y'all git my meaning. The Rudy thread is verrryyy inneresting.....

I learn SO much here, about nearly everything (how DID I miss that thread on the 238 reasons we have sex, anyway?) under the sun.

I am SO glad I found this place.

Everyone may pat themselves on the back, now....

Anyone hear from Rev Schultzie this week, so far?

Back to revenue churning.

[RealDeal]

Yeah, and I read that Cynthia McKinney is gonna run for the Green Party (ain't that a slap in the face?)... how many Global Warmies following her? Are they talking about third party losers like we are?

Just wondering....

[lpara]

Are they talking about third party losers like we are?

Oh, I pray so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[Mary-Lou]

Oh, I pray so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Oh, but wouldn't that be a FOURTH party loser???? (at this rate!) :rotflo:

[RealDeal]

In by best "Hillary does Jesse Jackson from the pulpit impression" voice:

"I AM, IN MANAH WAYS, TARRED!!"

BTW~ I am the only one who wished jackbenimble a happy birthday...

[Ohiowoman]

:HB2: to jackbenimble! :fwork: :elefant: (Can't let RD be the only one! :hehe:)

Did anyone hear Sean Hannity's interview with Vincente Fox this afternoon? If I understood him correctly, Fox seems to believe that if someone here illegally has a job, he should be given legal status. BTW, Fox won't use the word "illegal". He likes "undocumented." He also doesn't like to use "deported", saying it encourages violence. He said that Mexico doesn't deport. They just "send them back" to their own country. Fox was both condescending and infuriating. I just wanted to reach into the car radio and shake some sense into him.

[RealDeal]

Instead of Sean giving these guys a soapbox.. bring on someone from You Don't Speak for Me (http://www.dontspeakforme.o rg/ourstory.html) You Don't Speak for Me formed when Col. Al Rodriguez became fed up watching media coverage of the mass protests of April. "Their leaders were saying it was a march for immigrant rights and a Latino/Hispanic movement," says Rodriguez. "I thought to myself, 'Hey, those are illegal aliens, not immigrants!'" Col. Rodriguez began speaking out to others saying, "I'm of Hispanic ancestry and those people are acting like they speak for me. Well, you don't speak for me!"
-emphasis mine-

[KatyJ]

:HB: Jackbenimble.

I have a two page paper due in two weeks. I am trying to decide on two subjects. This is going to be about product.

I watched the debate and I was very impress with all of them except for Ron Paul, John McCain and Senator Brownbeck. I love how Guiliani and Romney told Hillary off. I imagined Chris Matthews used his :barf: bag and had plenty of Alka Seltzer.

[Paulmarkar]

Dr. Dobson needs to realize that time worn phrase "by their fruits ye shall know them" applies to him. His "fruits" if he and other Christian leaders start a third party will be a win for Hillary. So whether he says he's following his conscience or just being arrogant by starting a third party the RESULTS (fruits) are the same, Hello President Clinton. BTW Mr. Huckabee is a former Baptist minister, other than a problem with his raising taxes what is wrong with him?
Now is NOT the time for a third party. You should have done that at the height of the Moral Majority movement. Get Senators and Representatives into congress. Then shoot for a president when he would have someone to work with.
If your conscience won't let you vote for Rudy if he should be the nominee, then keep it to yourself and tell your followers to vote their conscience.
edited to add: The story of the talents also applies. It seems the Lord is impressed by results.

[schillerbjr]

Good Evening GOPUSA Forum:

We had about 1/10th inch of rain this AM and
the winds shifted out of NW for a "much cooler"
day, only 74 degrees and low of 48 tonight in
SW Ohio! The A/C turned off this AM!!

A busy day of revenue in SW Ohio!!

The Stalinist/Marxist Democrat Party is
"SCARING" me, & it is too soon for Halloween!!

A glass of 2002 Silver Oak Cabernet Sauvignon!
OUTSTANDING!!

GOD BLESS our military servicemembers in IRAQ
and AFGHANISTAN! GOD BLESS our GOPUSA Forum members and their families! GOD BLESS
AMERICA!!

Good night and have a "SAFE" one!!

[RealDeal]

SCHILLER!!!! FINALLY!!!!

GIMME......http://bestsmileys.com/kick/2.gif

THAT....http://bestsmileys.com/hitting/16.gif

BOTTLE!!! http://bestsmileys.com/hitting/8.gif

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[lpara]

The story of the talents also applies. It seems the Lord is impressed by results.

Yes! Very good :)

I'm watching the debate right now. Just about everyone has said something I like, (except the one I never even count)-->too bad we couldn't roll them all up into one really BIG, strong, transformer type guy to beat the snot out of Hillary. :smash:

[RealDeal]

Yes! Very good

How about this one Laurie?:
"Count the cost before building (or in this case, tearing down) a castle."

btw.. schillillll erereer.... great <hiccup> stuff! :sparkle: :em31: :sparkle:

[lpara]

No doubt about it, the Bible has all the answers to all life's "problems."

[KatyJ]

Good night everyone. :wavey:

[Luckyme]

jackbenimble, :HB2: to you and many, many more. Hope this day brings you everything you wished for.

[RealDeal]

Here's the best thing I typed all day:

Hypothetical, schmypothetical...

:rotflo: and got a kick out of it too... LOL

[Terri]

You know, I'm really tired of trying to talk sense to people who willfully refuse to grasp it.

Maybe it's time to try to rebuild the party based on limited government, less spending, defense of the country and let the social issue folks build their own national party if they have the gumption to do it.

Social issues are not the province of the federal government and I'm beginning to believe we've been wrong to allow them to become part of the national political landscape.

It happened because of the courts taking the issues away from the states. However, there is only one way to change it and that is through judicial appointments that will return those issues where they belong.

No Congress can overturn those decisions. The only way it can happen is through the courts yet those who want those issues overturned most are fighting hardest to get in a president that will appoint more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs.

[Ohiowoman]

My 18-year-old son, a newly registered voter, understands the problems and dangers of a third party in this election and the consequences of sitting it out. If he "gets it" at that age, I don't see how so many others are willing to see Hillary Clinton become president as a way to teach the Republican Party a lesson.

[Danny]

Maybe it's time to try to rebuild the party based on limited government, less spending, defense of the country and let the social issue folks build their own national party if they have the gumption to do it.
Yeah, they can call it the self-pitty party.

You can only lay it out for them in so many ways Terri. If they haven't gotten it by now, they likely never will, or ever wanted to in the first place.

[candles]

jackbenimble
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I thought Fred Thomsan was not at his best in the debate this afternoon. He did get it a few punches though. Mitt, Rudy and Hunter did a great job.

Good night everyone. :wavey:

[Amawalk John]

The sound went dead on CNBC (though apparently not the other cable channels) and I missed the debate. I understand Fred Thompson answered perfectly all of Chris Matthews' snotty trick questions and then tore him a new one. Sorry I missed seeing that.

[RealDeal]

In addition to what candles said, I think Huckabee did great... Fred not as great... McCain is a full blown Dem in my eyes... and Ron Paul? Well, do I need to say anything?

Tancredo and Paul won't support the GOP nominee, unless they like him.

Scratch them off.

But one thing I will say is ALL our guys (except alarmist chicken little RP) HAVE A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR. And I do like that.

[RealDeal]

Terri,

As for the social conservatives... if they can't broaden their scope of what social conservatism is, and quit standing on the SINGLE ISSUE "holy grail" of abortion on demand... then I am with you.

IMO, they are short sighted (can't se that we can put this on back burner FOR NOW), narrow minded (there's MUCH MORE at stake than JUST the lives of the unborn), and QUITTERS (I'm taking my toys and going over "there")!!

They can have fun forwarding their agenda with 1% vote.

Let them go. "And don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out."

[Charie]

:HB2: Jackbe. Hope you had a good one. I've been too busy today to post a whole lot so didn't see your birthday was today until just now. Or perhaps I merely forgot. Who knows?

Anyhow, hope you're full of :cake: and :f_bubbly: and have :f_rose: prickers stuck in your nose. Smell good?

Glad to hear our candidates have great senses of humor (except R. Paul. Fanatics are usually humorless) because unless you call Hillary cackling as though demented over absolutely nothing, it doesn't look like the Dems have anything approaching a sense of humor. I think I saw Edwards almost smile one day but then came to the conclusion it was gas.

I still think 84rules is a ringer. If 84 stands for 1984 and the libs are so eager to refer to the president as a fascist, a NAZI and claim he's taking away all our freedoms it only makes sense. Way too many Dem talking points in his posts.

If he isn't, I apologize, but if he is, I Told You So! :laff:

Almost time to hit the hay. It was cold and overcast here today. 80F. one day and 50F. the next. That's good weather for Fall days. A mean average of 65F.

Just heard it's 39F. in International Falls, so the winter :cold: is a-comin'.

:wavey:

SY

[Terri]

IMO, they are short sighted (can't se that we can put this on back burner FOR NOW),
It's not even a choice of putting it on the back burner.

If I could overturn it this minute I would.

But the only way we can have any effect on it at all is through the courts.

Seriously, I think there are way too many people who do not understand how government works. They think everything is controlled from the Oval Office and if only we elect Ronald Reagan again we'll be back in 1980.

Anyway, you guys have helped me retain my sanity. I think the only people who see this even close to the same as me are here in the forum.

[RealDeal]

I still think 84rules is a ringer.

84rules and 102excuses.... thanks for standing up for me Charie... he was a real "piece of .................. work"

[RealDeal]

Terri, was GOPUSA around before GWB 2000?

If so, was it like this?

[Terri]

Terri, was GOPUSA around before GWB 2000?

If so, was it like this?

Bobby started it in 2000, I believe. But it was intended to be a political consulting site where a politician could order a web site built, etc.

After the election he expanded it to commentary and political activism.

When I first saw it in early 2002 he was sending out a newsletter twice a week with commentary in it.

There was a forum set up but it had a total of 53 posts in it. :D

However, I spent the election aftermath on sites like Townhall and another favorite site which no longer exists. It was bare fists on Townhall all the time but it was Rs vs Ds and conservatives vs liberals. They finally shut down their forum because they couldn't handle it.

I was a moderator on the other site I mentioned and it was tightly run. The guy that owned it didn't put up with any nonsense.

I think that conservatives really started to eat their own when Harriet Miers was nominated. I know I was absolutely shocked watching the conservative movement literally turn on itself. It's been the same ever since.

First immigration, now abortion.

[RealDeal]

Thanks for the answer. Interesting.

[Mary-Lou]

I think that conservatives really started to eat their own when Harriet Miers was nominated. I know I was absolutely shocked watching the conservative movement literally turn on itself. It's been the same ever since.
Yep. I saw precisely the same thing at precisely ther same time.