Gun Sales to Mexican Druglords

[Original Rebel]

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And, I just heard on Paul Harvey that there are 200 MILLION arms being sold BY AMERICANS to Mexican drug lords, and others! What's up with that?

Mexican drug lords are coming up to Arizona to BUY ARMS! And, they're getting them. Even rocket-launched grenades or whatever them things are - that can bring down an airplane!!!!! Where's the FBI? Where's the CIA? Where's DEA? Where's HOMELAND SECURITY? This is incredible!!!!!

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[azwhitewolf]

First things first. Here's the poorly written article, (http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/23237) obviously written by an uneducated journalist with an axe to grind against us reg'lar folk. Or who found idiot sources. Either way, there's no excuse for this poor journalism.

Okay, onto the actual facts.

The expiration in 2004 of the U.S. federal assault-weapons ban left some states, including Arizona and Texas, with no prohibition against buying an unlimited number of semiautomatic rifles at once without paperwork.
WRONG! Sales of semi-auto rifles requires filling out a federal form 4473 in Arizona.
Cartel operatives flood Arizona to buy semiautomatic assault rifles, grenades, plastic explosives and rocket launchers in bulk
Oh really! :tqrolleyes: I guess I walked past those at the gun shows and my local ammo supply store. I'll have to remember to pick some up next time. I'll mount a nice snazzy rocket launcher on my car to reduce road rage mishaps.

WRONG! Grenades, rocket launchers and plastic explosives can only be sold by federally licensed destructive device dealers to federally licensed consumers.

Sounds to me like illegal weapons are sold by illegals TO illegals, making this ALL ILLEGAL.

This is the wild west. But it's not THAT wild that you can pick up a few pounds of C4 and stick it in your trunk as an impulse purchase. Sheesh.
The violence _ and fear that it will spill more onto U.S. soil _ has led the ATF to make it a top priority to curb gunrunning in the Southwest.
And here ya go. Fear = more laws = "safer" = loss of your rights MINUS ever having to enforce the existing laws and actually punishing criminals.

Here's a good idea. If you're chasing an illegal in the middle of the desert, and he doesn't stop when you yell "Stop!" or "Alto", and possess a distinguishable weapon, you have instant authority to use deadly force if necessary.

No more of this "shoot out" crap.

Get tough on the criminals! NOT the guns!
Where's the FBI? Where's the CIA? Where's DEA? Where's HOMELAND SECURITY? This is incredible!!!!!
OR, this is exactly what they want you to think. They create a problem, and then use the scary words to make people think this is epidemic.

Don't get me wrong. It's serious. But I don't think it's as serious as this reporter makes it. The drug runners are also responsible for stuffing drugs where the sun doesn't shine for your kids to put up their nose. That's just as epidemic.

After all, since apparently the Border Patrol can't shoot an illegal without going to jail - even if his life is in danger, then nobody but illegals and drug lords should have guns. "Cuz guns are bad".

Quick! Introduce gun restricting legislation to stop people... I mean... illegal bad guys from getting guns so easily!

[schillerbjr]

The "DRIVE BY" media strikes again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drive By....shoot the story...drive off!!!!!!!!!!

Rush Limbaugh is RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Original Rebel]

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I hope you're right AZ. I'm just surprised that Paul Harvey would be reporting anything if it wasn't true.

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[Terri]

'River of Guns' Flowing from U.S. to Mexico (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/7/13/103023.shtml?s=us)

PHOENIX -- When machine gun-toting hit men fought a bloody battle with police and troops around the Mexico town of Cananea that left 23 dead in May, it at first seemed to be the latest chapter in a very Mexican drug war.

But as U.S. and Mexican detectives subsequently traced powerful assault weapons recovered from the battlefield to Texas and Arizona, it raised the curtain on a deadly and controversial flow of arms from the United States.

A war without quarter for control of cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine and heroin trafficking routes has killed 1,300 people this year in Mexico, and has created a huge demand among rival drug gangs for weapons of all kinds, authorities say.

[paulmarkar]

OK Mexico here's the deal, you stop all the illegals and drugs from crossing the border and we'll stop the firearms from crossing the border on our side. :happydance: :hi5: :hang: the illegal traffickers.

[azwhitewolf]

Okay, from that Newsmax article:

Gun sales are illegal in Mexico, and many of the firearms used in Mexican crime are simply bought over-the-counter in the United States, where everything from pistols to high-powered assault rifles can be obtained legally, detectives say.
That's a far cry from plastic explosives, grenade launchers and the like.

"Over the counter"? Over WHAT counter? If I put a pistol grip, a scope and a muzzler on any gun in the US, I can quickly make a legal gun illegal.

I don't doubt that guns are being traded, for they bring in a high markup. So are drugs. So are illegals. The whole thing stinks.

For a lack of border security, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the tip of the iceberg.
"They are in the market for machine guns, hand grenades, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles . . . It's like they are outfitting an army," he added.
"They are in the market for" is a WHOLE lot different than "They are getting them from Arizona".

And they ARE outfitting an army. Drugs? Yes. Reclaiming the southwest? Woah, nobody wants to talk about THAT in this country.
To ensure a steady supply of weapons to drug killers in the badlands of northeast Mexico in the 1990s, notorious Gulf cartel founder Juan Garcia Abrego bought seven gun shops in Brownsville, Texas, and used them to run guns south.
And where was the ATF then?
Detectives say the traffickers often make several trips a day over the border with a trunk full of weapons, selling them in Mexico for a markup of 300 to 400 percent.
Then maybe it's time to set up a border stop INTO Mexico, the same way they have a border stop OUT of Mexico.
The vigorous black market trade has stirred up a storm of criticism south of the border, where Mexican Attorney General Eduardo Medina slammed slack U.S. gun laws as "absurd."
Tough! That's a Constitutional right we enjoy here - in a country where citizens aren't automatic criminals under suspect, UNLIKE MEXICO.

In comparison, Mexico's slack drug laws are absurd. Mexico's fleeing residesnts are absurd. Mexico's president is a :jacka: and absurd. Mexico's poverty? There's no excuse for that. Mexico's labor laws are absurd. Mexico's constant begging for money is absurd. And Mexico's protection of on-the-run lawbreakers, pedophiles and serial killers from the law in the U.S. is too retarded for me to BEGIN my thoughts on here.

Go fix your own problems before you whine to us about our nation's policies.
But with a drug-fueled war machine to the south and an estimated 200 million guns in private hands in the United States, ATF agents are under no illusion that it will be easy.

"We are at a crossroads where firearms trafficking and the drug trade come together," Mangan said. "It really is the perfect storm."
Lovely. Now our own ATF is whining because private ownership is going to make their jobs tougher.

This "perfect storm" has been brewing for years. And we ignored the warnings. But the lack of action on the government's part doesn't justify restricting American citizens just because the problem got out of hand. I smell propaganda.

And I'm tired of our laws being criticized by a nation of rich political do-nothings with their hands out. Seems we're only neighbors when they want something, and we're separate countries otherwise.