Hillary Clinton Vows Universal Health Care Will Be Her Goal as President

[Terri]

Fox News

DES MOINES, Iowa — Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Monday to create a universal health care system if elected, saying she "learned a lot" during the failed health care effort of her husband's presidency.

"We're going to have universal health care when I'm president — there's no doubt about that. We're going to get it done," the New York senator and front-runner for the 2008 nomination said.

Clinton focused on health care issues during an appearance on ABC's "Good Morning America" broadcast from the state where precinct caucuses will launch the presidential nominating season.

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[candles]

Does this mean we all get free insurance? :hehe:
Oh wait. they will just raise our taxes. :(

[Donna Son Io]

Does this mean we all get free insurance?


No, it probably just means all hospitals will be like Walter Reed.

[STEELMAN]

"We're going to have universal health care when I'm president — there's no doubt about that. We're going to get it done," the New York senator and front-runner for the 2008 nomination said.

Everyone with any common horse sense knows that universal health care is a diaster! Hillary, you haven't done your home work...look at canada, england, for examples...pitiful!

[Charie]

Please don't use Walter Reed as a poor hospital. It's a fine hospital with some of the best medical people in the world. It was only one small recuperation unit that was involved.

Apparently Hillary never learned anything the first time around.

I'm just hoping our sheeple won't think universal health care is a good thing because it's been over 10 years since she tried to ram it down our throats and they may have forgotten by now.

I'm sure AARP will be pushing this with all their might because nothing can be too leftist for them.

When President Bush tried to revamp the system to get health care savings acounts, etc. through, they went absolutely ape over it and I was ashamed of my contemporaries the way they stomped on the plan and kept their hands out so their kids, grandkids and great-grandkids could suffer from their selfishness.

[Amawalk John]

I think I saw this movie thirteen years ago and everyone said it was a huge flop. I can't imagine the sequel is better ..... sequels are never better.

[Engineer Scott]

It's times like these in which I wish there were a parallel universe which we could peer into where people could test the impact of ideas before we implement them here. Hillary could decree her "free" health care and then watch the results of it a dozen years down the line.

Too often bright ideas turn out to be turkeys, but by the time the full impact is felt the originators are long gone. Hillarycare will undoubtedly be one such bright idea. When socialized medicine was first enacted in Canada, things went OK. It wasn't until the system had been in place for many years before it devolved into the hell-hole it is now.

Now that I think of it, folks would probably pooh-pooh the results in our fictional parallel universe. After all, it can't happen here.

Scotty

[Amawalk John]

I wish there were a parallel universe which we could peer into where people could test the impact of ideas before we implement them here.
You don't have to dabble in science fiction to visit the parallel universe of government controlled health care. Visit Canada, or just about any other foreign country. Most of the patients in such systems dream of being able to select their doctor, clinic, hospital, etc. Their "parallel universe" is the United States.

If Hillarycare is implemented here as envisioned in her earlier plan, there will be no material private health care anywhere. Our situation will not be like today's Canadians; at least now they can come to America. After Hillarycare, we're all stuck with what some government bureaucrat decides "is best for us". Even the Canadians will suffer.

If that "parallel universe" is difficult to imagine, spend a day at the Department of Motor Vehicles, jury duty, an IRS auditor, rectifying an error at Social Security, or your local PTA. You'll soon discover, if you didn't already know, that government institutions are run not for the customer or the patient, but for the employees.

[myownthinker]

Universal health care doesnt work. What we have now works only for the wealthy. What does work? Is there anything that does work. Making people pay ultra high premiums is a complete failure. Where do we go from here? Health care is as important as the WOT to me.

[stormy]

MOT, do you REALLY believe what you wrote? When I go into my doctor's office, I don't see a room full of people with diamonds and furs, just ordinary folk--sorta like me.

When I go into an emergency room, I see people who can't get health care any other way, so they claim, so they lie and call it an emergency.

Of course, I go to a doctor so rarely that when I do go, my doctor figures it is an emergency!! And, it usually is.

I just bet you've never been refused medical treatment for you and/or YOUR family!! :shake:

[RW]

If you like the Post Office, yer gonna LOVE universal health care.....

[rangerrebew]

She's gonna git er done? She a plagarist!!!:eek: She's using Larry the cable guy's line and she's not even funny! :pfft: In fact, she's pretty pathetic.:barf: Be that as it may, she's gone to git er done with health care and "redistribution of wealth" of the wealthy. Hey, she's plagarizing again!!:eek: She's using Karl Marx's line - and that isn't funny either. :barf:

[billybigrigger]

If you don't want Hillary care what is an alternative that you can sell to the 40 million people that don't have it and may be inclined to vote for her with the hope that they can get some type of affordable coverage.

Unless everyone has the the ablilty to join a community priced based health insurance plan without regard to age and health it's never going to work, and everyone is forced to join in the plan it's never going to work. Once you get sick they are going to jack your rates to the point most people can't afford the insurance or they will just refuse to insure you.

Personally I'm in great shape now. It probably would hurt me to go to a national plan, but if I had no insurance and was facing $1000+ per month insurace bills I'd probably have a different outlook on a single payer system. A single payer system is not socialized medicine such as they have in England. The doctors, nurses are not government employee's. The hospitals are not owned by the government. Medicare is a single payer system.

[greg]

Here is a great reason for us individual conservative grass roots to work hard to get your prefered conservative Presidential candidate through the primaries, and then all-out support the primary selectee for November 2008 that we aggregate individual conservative voters pick.

We don't need 4 years of a socialist-communist as President like Hillary who carries that kind of long record along with Bill, on top of these 2 years of a liberal Democratically controlled Congress. (Recall that Bill protested the Vietnam War in Moscow, U.S.S.R., and the North Korean nuclear program was courtesy President Bill.) Or two-faced O'Bama. (Take a look at his first book, then compare it with his second book.)

[billybigrigger]

Here is a great reason for us individual conservative grass roots to work hard to get your prefered conservative Presidential candidate through the primaries, and then all-out support the primary selectee for November 2008 that we aggregate individual conservative voters pick.

No! Here's a reason to nominate a person that can come up with a reasonable alternative to the Hillary plan. Newt was on the radio and suggested something simular to what I was talking about. Let people join large risk pools. Individual policies were each person goes out and buys it on his own now matter what their health, age, finacial position is nuts. Isn't going to work. It's a cruel joke. The dems would tear it to shreads.

That coupled with the fact that business is just liable to jump on the band wagon because they would do just about anything to get health insurance off their back. Wal-Mart, GE, all the car companies and more are all for single payer health insurance. My ex-brother-in-law says if isn't done the whole health care system will collapse in a few years. He's a cardiologist.

My sister's is facing $1000 a month for health insurance after her Cobra ends this year. That's just for major medical. $5000 deductable. She is a 53 year old breast cancer survivor. She's lucky her ex-husband has to and can afford to pay it. How many people could afford that. If I had to go out on my own after colon cancer that had spead to my lymph nodes at 61 I wouldn't even want to think what the premium would be.

[rangerrebew]

It would seem reasonable to give those who opt into such a plan a tax break equal to the amount of the premium since the government wouldn't have to worry about their coverage. That will never happen, though. :pfft: If that doesn't happen, it seems her "redistribution of wealth" doesn't mean from the wealthy, it will be from the middle class given to the government. The government has less liability because insurance is paid by the individual consequently they have more in their coffers; the middle class gets killed and the wealthy don't care because they can afford the coverage anyway. It sounds like a good communist plan to destroy us from within. :mad: :barf: :bah: :darkside: :mr_yuk: :ranter:

[candles]

Billy, my husband and I have to pay for our own insurance, and you are correct it is not cheep. We only carry hospital cost and it is over $6000 per year.
If she gets to be President :barf: and this enacted, we would drop our insurance, this is a no-brainer. BUT, and this is a big BUT, where is she going to get the money to pay for it.

The reason she hasn't "set out a plan and said here's exactly what I will do," Clinton said, is that she wants to hear from voters what kind of plan they would favor.
This means she has no plan, just like everything else.

[Winghunter]

Maybe I don't remember her first attempt at this as well as I should...Didn't anyone with a pulse call Congress to oppose this nonsense??

Did she think we all died off?

[Charie]

MOT, I thought you were a teacher in Wisconsin. They have the best health insurance by far of anyone in the U.S. as far as I can figure out.

My husband was a "mill rat" for 38 years. When he retired the mill where he worked had a health care plan for retirees. We are very fortunate. We pay quite a bit towards the plan and also have co-pays for drugs but we're glad to pay it because it's there when we need it. My husband rarely goes to the doctor and I actually don't go very often but do need maintenance drugs.

No one in this country goes without medical care. How do you think all the illegal aliens get medical treatment? They sure don't go back to Mexico or el Salvador or Guatemala or wherever to get it.

[javajoy]

From Billybigrigger:

If you don't want Hillary care what is an alternative that you can sell to the 40 million people that don't have it and may be inclined to vote for her with the hope that they can get some type of affordable coverage.


The problem I see is that everyone wants it to be free. Affordable is not a word they really want to hear. They don't want to pay anything. I have run into this more times than I can count.

ie: patients on medicaid could get six scrips per month and they were supposed to pay (get this) 2 lousy dollars per scrip. I would hazard to say that they made the pharmacy eat that copayment.

ie: a friend of my cousin is on medicare and was complaining about having to pay for part B and then for part D when it became available. She said I was a fat cat with my free health care plan. That is when I couldn't stand it any longer, and set her straight. The government does pay a percentage of our premiums (part of hubby's retirement package) but we pay a good bit as well, I have a copayment for all doctor visits and all drugs and have a percentage of all labs or xrays. My payments are higher if I go out of network.

Joe is different since he now has Medicare (thanks to me because he is one of the five per cent who did not qualify for Medicare on his own). (and yes there are people who do not qualify) He pays nothing except for medications.

Granted, I am fortunate and grateful for our coverage, but it isn't free. Who says what is affordable? Why can't any fees I pay be deducted from my tax burden? You can only claim the amt that is above 7% of the amt. on a certain line (39 I think) and you have to itemize to do that.

I don't think Hillary or any other politician could come up with a plan that would work and satisfy everyone. Insurance companies will have a hissy fit. This doesn't mean that there aren't things the government could do to ease the burden though.

I have always thought that hospital, clinic, and doctor's prices should be posted and available to the public. That way patients could shop around for the best price or opt for a test that might give the same information and be cheaper. I also think prices should be more standardized. Our hospital does not advertise it, but if you pay cash they give you a great discount.

I also think insurance company fees and plans should be more standardized. It's a nightmare finding a plan that is both affordable and will pay for what you need.

I think something should be done about malpractice insurance fees and payouts. You read about these women who elect for surgery and then sue because their belly butteon is off center or because one boob is lower than the other and they get millions. Large payouts should be reserved only for those with a real lifetime disability caused by surgery and or malpractice. Especially those who will need lifetime care.

Emergency care should be just that and reserved for emergencies. People show up all the time with non emergencies (even waiting until the doctor's office is closed) because they know they have to be taken care of. We need more free or nearly near free clinics.

I think everyone should have to pay something based on income.

I could go on forever. There are so many fees and fines that are not directly related to your medical care. But that is another subject.

I have to add that we haven't even started on dental care.

[qrayjack]

Health care for the rich? I hope that was a joke. In the event it wasn't, well said Stormy.

[Charie]

I think something should be done about malpractice insurance fees and payouts. You read about these women who elect for surgery and then sue because their belly butteon is off center or because one boob is lower than the other and they get millions.

Wisconsin used to have a cap on medical malpractice payouts but the Democrat governor took care of that. We used to have doctors flocking here but no more.

What about the rebate on taxes for every dollar spent on your own medical care. I can't remember what it's called but it sounds as though that would be helpful along with the ability for people to form their own medical insurance groups. I don't understand why that isn't in effect already. I've been hearing about it for years.

Another big problem is that AARP and all the old farts make up a big voting bloc and I think right now that's who Hillary is turning her baby blues on.

<disclaimer> I do not consider the OF's on this forum to be amongst them.

[candles]

Another big problem is that AARP and all the old farts make up a big voting bloc and I think right now that's who Hillary is turning her baby blues on.
My mother-in-law dropped AARP a few years back because they were too liberial in their actions.