Murtha: Marines Shooting in Haditha 'Worse Than Abu Ghraib'

[Terri]

Murtha: Marines Shooting in Haditha 'Worse Than Abu Ghraib'

AP

WASHINGTON — The fallout from the killing of as many as two dozen Iraqi civilians by Marines could undermine U.S. efforts in Iraq more than the Abu Ghraib prison scandal did, a lawmaker who is a prominent war critic said Sunday.

The shootings last November at Haditha, a city in the Anbar province of western Iraq that has been plagued by insurgents, were covered up, said Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa.

"Who covered it up, why did they cover it up, why did they wait so long?" Murtha said on ABC's "This Week." "We don't know how far it goes. It goes right up the chain of command."

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[Terri]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Mr. Murtha's Rush to Judgment (http://www.washingtonpost.c om/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/27/AR2006052700846_pf.h tml)

Ilario Pantano
Washington Post

A year ago I was charged with two counts of premeditated murder and with other war crimes related to my service in Iraq. My wife and mother sat in a Camp Lejeune courtroom for five days while prosecutors painted me as a monster; then autopsy evidence blew their case out of the water, and the Marine Corps dropped all charges against me [&quot;Marine Officer Cleared in Killing of Two Iraqis,&quot; news story, May 27, 2005].

So I know something about rushing to judgment, which is why I am so disturbed by the remarks of Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) regarding the Haditha incident [&quot;Death Toll Rises in Haditha Attack, GOP Leader Says,&quot; news story, May 20]. Mr. Murtha said, &quot;Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood.&quot;

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[Danny]

I'm sure this being Memorial Day weekend and all -- that hearing these words REPEATED from Murtha in/on an ongoing investigation gives the families of fallen soldiers a very warm and cozy feeling all over, especially, when they (American Brave-Hearts) were the targets of COLD BLOODED MURDERERS.

He just couldn't keep his trap shut for one lousy weekend, and he should be ashamed of himself.

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">&quot;Who covered it up, why did they cover it up, why did they wait so long?&quot; Murtha said on ABC's &quot;This Week.&quot; &quot;We don't know how far it goes. It goes right up the chain of command.&quot;[/QUOTE]
Insinuating that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the Comander In Chief are just as responsible for this &quot;Abu-Grab 2&quot; atrocity as the accused are, but only this is much much worse (according to Mr.Morale Booster)... Trouble is though, that there's no way of knowing which is worse as of yet, because it's still under investigation you backstabbing Kerry duplicate.

God Bless the USMC and all branches of the world's greatest military. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yellowribbon.gif

[Ohiowoman]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">He just couldn't keep his trap shut for one lousy weekend, and he should be ashamed of himself.
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He won't be ashamed. He saw an opportunity to get on TV and wasn't about to pass it up. And he's certainly not going to wait until (or if) it comes to trial and both sides can present their cases. To him, his agenda is the most important thing of all.

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">God Bless the USMC and all branches of the world's greatest military. [/QUOTE]
Amen, Danny.

[KatyJ]

Amen, Danny and great post. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/twothumbsup.gif

[thissong]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Murtha has graduated from &quot;cut and run&quot; to giving aid and comfort to the enemy. A coward and a traitor, merely to advance his political career. Pathetic.

[stan25]

What is Murtha’s probllem? Did he miss out on all of the attention that he craves? I sure do think so. Maybe he is covering up his own guilt for something that he did in Vietnam. Maybe he is thinking about running for president and needs the support of the tin foil hat brigade. This man has serious issues that he needs to deal with. He should be going to his shrink intead to yaking on the floor of the House of Represenatives or on the tv box. I do believe that the Navy Department should recall him to active duty and send him over to Iraq as a grunt. That would teach his sorry butt.

As usual the MSM is lapping this all up, because it fits what they want to convey. We all know that the MSM does not want to tell the truth about anything that happens over in Iraq or Afhganistan.

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[Nitsuard]

Murtha's problem, like so many others on the political left of center, is exactly whar Dr. Michael Savage told us about in his recent book &quot;Liberaliam is a Mental Disorder&quot;, because while it does not subordinate the intellect, it does succeed in the high-jacking of every conclusion. *Therefore, they do not know and will never admit that the are incurably 'wacko'.....

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[rhvalen]

I think I'll write a letter to Murtha and try to fill his office to the rafters with letters. You think he'd get the message by now.

[Ben_Colder]

Murtha's mouth is always engaged before his brain is in gear. He is providing fodder for the Media to help undermine our war on terror. Does he remember the meaning of Semper Fi?

There will always be mistakes made in war. The Nogun Ri incident in the Korean war has never been resolved.We may never know the truth about this one.

Murtha should know not to open his mouth until the facts are known and justice is served. That is if any wrong has occured.



GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS.

[The Victim]

There are a few blabbering, backstabbing losers in every crowd. I still remember in the active military there were comrades in arms that would zero in and put another comrade down, never mind the enemy. As in Terri's post about Ilario Pantano, he was judged by the pious, self righteous parasites being presumed guilty by a false accusation by a vindictive scumsucker. However, in many cases, this is the example of a bad mental deficiency.. or as nitsuard indicated, a mental disorder. Most people are ignoring this whining of a jackal.

[perado762]

I'll stand behind Captain Pantano sooner and longer than I will for the likes of Mr. Murtha.

[silversword63]

Whatever happened to being innpcent until proven guilty? I tried to email Murtha once but he doesn't accept emails unless you are one of his constituents.

[KathrynSmith]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yes.gif , I agree with all of you. Murtha needs to keep his mouth shut until all the military investigations are complete. He is a disgraceful grandstander!

[Whitetop]

Not knowing where it goes has not stopped Murtha from shooting off his mouth. I is sickening what some of the politicians have done to our military all in the name of political rhetoric. They need to be held accountable for their treasonist statements like they need to be held accountable for their corruption.

[Thunder]

When you take 18 year old boys and try to make them into killing machines what do you expect them to do when they watch their buddies blown up by who knows who while they are there to defend them and try to protect them from the terrerists. It is hard to decide who is dangerous and who is not in a short span of seconds where if you hesiate you die. Mr. Murtha should know this better than anyone but he has his stuck up his but so far he cant' see daylight or the nose on his face He is a discrace to the USMC and as a former marine I would spit on him if he passed by.

[dandeedon]

Murtha has become a traitor to the U.S.A. and the USMC.
My apologies for the earlier statement Terry, but for a representative to come off with statements such as Murtha has, is totally unconscionable. He is lower than the majority of the liberals in this country.

[Terri]

No use for Murtha, but since that would be an illegal solution we aren't for that here.

[stan25]

Now this pure speculation on my part, so don’t take it as gospel. I believe that there is more to this story than meets the eye. I believe the Al Qeada bunch killed these unarmed civilians and called in the media that they could trust to get the story out their way. They wanted a way to make the Marines look bad in every possible light.

We all know that there are some people in the media and in other places that did not want this war, for their own selfish reasons and have done and still will do anything to undermine it. I would not be too surprised to learn that these media elements gave Murtha the false information. Like a good liberal, Murtha saw the main chance and ran with it.

When all of the facts come out (see Ilario Pantono) one way or another, the media and Murtha will have major egg on their faces. I am hoping that this case is resolved in a orderly fashion and if the parties are guilty, I hope that they are hung from the highest yardarm.

If they are innocent of these charges, I hope that the media and John Murta say that they are sorry. Of course, that will be a cold day in hell, when that happens.

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[javajoy]

Stan, I find myself really agreeing with you. They seem to keep playing this sound bite of the 12 year old girl saying that 8 members of her family were killed and how she escaped by pretending she was dead. I really wonder if they did a DNA test if she was related to anyone in that house. Also she sounds rehearsed in what to say. She doesn't seem upset enough to me for losing 8 members of her family. Additionally, I don't think the marines would have left her alive. I could be all wet, but these are the things that keep crossing my mind and the questions I have. I have such a suspicious nature.

Besides, I think Murtha should be ashamed of himself. You never hear him say anything bad about Zarqowi (sp) or anything done by the Iraqi's to Iraqi's. He should have at least waited until the investigation was over and done with.

If our guys are guilty they should be dealt with accordingly.

Javajoy
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[GrannyB]

The quotation from Murtha didn't stop with a high ranking general. *He asked when a certain general knew about it. *In other words, in 15 seconds he flawed a general's reputation on a national Sunday show. *I do not believe anyone should name names until an investigation is completed and convictions are on the way. *I am ashamed of this Murtha. *
There is a young lady running against him in the upcoming elections. *I heard her on the Laura Ingram radio show. *I believe her name and website is on Laura's website. *She sounded very intelligent, informed and sane.
Why don't we back her and get Murtha out. *That would make a pretty good statement, and Murtha would probably shut his mouth for a time being.

[javajoy]

Welcome to the http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/gopusa.gif forum GrannyB. Come into the precinct and introduce yourself when you have some time. We love company and the virtual coffeepot is almost always full.

Great post!

Javajoy
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[Big Al]

Maggot Murtha is in the same league as Jimmy Carter. Both are &quot;has beens that shoulda never been&quot;. *These two liberal Democrats have done more damage to America's image than the rest of their liberal buddies combined. *Well, let's just say America would be much better off if we could just deport the whole mess of them.

Wonder how much research Maggot Murtha did to find those inoocent civilians he mouthed off about?

[Whitetop]

Murtha makes accussations without any facts. In the meantime young people are fighting for his right to be a liar to the American people. Lying for political gain does not a leader make. We don't need people in Congress with the yellow streak up his back like Murtha.

[Charie]

If this is true it is worse than Abu Ghraib which was a tempest in a teapot. Those people weren't tortured, they were humiliated.

If there were civilians executed w/o reason, I do believe the Marines who did it should be jailed for the rest of their lives.

I still think I read something about terrorists shooting from a house where there were civilians. Wish I'd paid more attention then.

[Amawalk John]

Murtha's opponent's name is Diana Irey (http://www.irey.com/) and I've linked her website.

There's a lot to like in what she says ... and a lot to dislike about John Murtha.