Pentagon Border Planning

[GroovyLady]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">WASHINGTON - The Pentagon has begun drawing up plans to send troops and equipment to the U.S. border with Mexico, where hundreds of thousands of migrants enter the country illegally each year, a defense official said on Friday. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld discussed border issues at the Pentagon with his Mexican counterpart, Defense Minister Gen. Gerardo Clemente Ricardo Vega. Mexico and the United States share a 2,000-mile border.[/QUOTE]

Yahoo! (http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/immigration)

[GroovyLady]

2,000 mile border. hmmm. well, if &quot;Big Dig&quot; math were to be used for The Wall it will take the government 17,773 years to build it at a cost of, ummmm, er, ummm, approximatly $9,333,333,333,333,3 33,333.

I say send the troops; much more cost effective.

[arthur]

i still want a wall , i'll find estimates on building the wall just for the sake of info but the main thing with me is that i do not trust the president based on at least 5 years of watching his performance on stopping the illegal invasion across the border . ---- many people do trust him though and are putting lots of stock in his upcoming words . me , i'll just listen to him , watch his actions and listen to the reports of the people like the - minutemen - that will be watching mr. bush and his new found solution to the invasion by illegal aliens . i hope he is being honest !! ------ different issue , but even if mr. bush delivers , you still have from 11 to 20 million [maybe more invaders] within usa borders and all will be clamoring for amnesty and re-unification of family members !! ----- me , i still want the manned border wall , go after the employers of illegals and they will self deport after being unable to eat or pay the rent !!

[arthur]

the wall , here ya go --- some info -- no link , i do have it but i just need to figure out how to post it , still here is the info . according to - signsonsan diego.com - on nov. 02, 2005 repub. duncan hunter along with repub. virgil goode propose a fence [not a wall] 2,000 miles long ! according to the article the cost would be 8 billion dollars for a fence . i don't think that it would be that high but even using that 8 billion dollar number i would prefer 8 billion dollars being spent on the usa border wall rather then --- say for example , illegal alien healtcare in usa hospitals , education of illegal alien children or anchor children in usa public schools , food stamps for the anchor babies and anchor children of illegal aliens , jailing of criminal illegals and other assorted costs that illegal aliens cost usa taxpaying citizens . ---- i mean , whats the cost per year for all illegals in the usa ?? also , its not a taxpayer cost but how many real american's earn less money due to their being forced to compete for wages with illegal aliens . then there are also costs associated with crime and death caused by illegal aliens . ----- yep , build that wall or fence , preserve american sovereignty and save money after the initial wall building venture . employ border guards and maintenance personel to preserve the wall - fences integrity !! or people can go ahead and trust politicians . me , i won't be trusting promises by politicians that have their own agenda !!My Webpage (www.signsonsandiego .com/news/state/20051102-1526-ca-borderfence.html)

[arthur]

and another thing , unless mr. bush federalizes national guard , calls an emergency or changes the law ---- its up to the state governors to call out the national guard , isn't it ?? already today i saw kalifornia republican governor scwartzenegger on tv and he doesn't want to call out the national guard !! i think that the kali governor is up for re-election soon . it looks like the gov. will need to be ordered by mr. bush [if possible] to call out the guard and annoy some illegal alien supporters . or don't call out the guard and annoy some supporters of national guard on the borders !! darned if he does , darned if he don't !! i don't know if i'm seeing things correctly and am looking forward to being corrected if i am wrong !!

[arthur]

oh geez , just saw it --- now the usa is discussing the protection of usa border with a mexican defence minister !! ------ man o man

[GroovyLady]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">now the usa is discussing the protection of usa border with a mexican defence minister !! ------ man o man[/QUOTE]

yeah, and, ok, so, &quot;F&quot; the wall dude!!! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[arthur]

i don't understand your post or reply - groovy lady - , please explain !! ---- arthur

[GroovyLady]

FERGET the wall. sorry, but, it just ain't going to happen. i totally understand where you're coming from; but, it's just not going to happen.

if the government is saying $8 billion with the Congress we have now; that's more likely going to be $32 billion inside of a couple of years and then be $100 billion before the first spike is dug. i have ZERO faith in our government spending for &quot;public works&quot; type projects like this at this time. i mean, the Congress couldn't come up with an emergency spending bill for Iraq and Katrina recovery without adding in $10 billion of pork!!

Ahhhh-nold isn't going to activate the Nat'l Guard to secure the Kalifornia border. Kalifornians LOVE their illegal aliens!!! They want to give them driver licenses, houses, bank accounts, education, health care. Illegal aliens fit very nicely into the Kalifornia fiefdom plan.

I think Richardson in New Mexico is hesitant to call up the Guard on a matter of practicality - his state's Nat'l Guard troops are already stretched to the max. Not sure how it's going to play in Arizona with Napolitano - I've faxed my fax and made my call.

The most time and cost efficient way to begin to secure the southern border is with federalizing the National Guard. How many people will ultimately support this move is another matter entirely. Anything else, fence, wall, drones, strategically placed electronic gadgets are all going to take a lot of time and A LOT OF MONEY.

It's easier to get people back across the border when they're still relatively close to it. it's much more difficult for illegal aliens, like Chinese. the DHS primary focus regarding illegal aliens has been Chinese illegals. China doesn't want them back. They're here. What do we do?

[Terri]

I think we may get a wall or fence in some areas but not everywhere.

I agree that Arnold won't militarize the border. California is too far gone because too many people moved out. However, if the other states manage to shut it down California will become such a funnel that it may force some kind of federal action, just not sure what form that could take.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the border states can get Natl. Guard from other states. That happened during Katrina. So Richardson can't really use that for an excuse.

[GroovyLady]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the border states can get Natl. Guard from other states. That happened during Katrina. So Richardson can't really use that for an excuse.[/QUOTE]

I think only if they have an agreement with them. *Gov. Blanco in Louisiana learned that LA had an agreement with Arkansas to share Nat'l Guard. *I'm not sure if New Mexico ever entered into an agreement with any other state to share their National Guard or not.

Personally, yeah, I think militarizing the AZ, NM and TX borders would force illegal aliens into CA. *Then we only have to deal with the invasion in one state and not four. *But, I think CA would dig it. *

If Congress was serious about cracking down on employers who violate immigration laws; they'd revoke the law that prohibts the SSA from sharing it's mismatched W2 info. with DHS.

ps - can't Governors deputize citizens to patrol the border?

[Terri]

I do remember hearing something about agreements but Colorado sent Guard to Louisiana in the aftermath. I think that could be worked out easily enough.

[Old Man]

If any state is lax then all states are in jeopardy. We were discussing this the other night when we were supporting Sheriff Joe at the same time.

Even if Arizona secures the border, if we aren't arresting illegals in Phoenix for example, they will just come to Phoenix from California afte they get in the U.S.

We have to have internal controls and one of the best is to remove both the source of hiring by arresting business owners, and doing routine checks of people in &quot;hiring zones.&quot; That will take a ruling on how to do that without &quot;profiling&quot; though, I am sure. I would like to see a few home owners arrested too but that may not fly either.

Eliminating the hiring zones could possibly be done if a liberal court wouldn't overrule legislation to prohibit hiring zones. We need to do something to make it harder for citizens to find illegals to hire or to fine those who do knowingly hire illegals.

I drive my sister-in-law to dr. appointments and see groups at the various service stations standing near the street under shade trees and it sure looks to me like they are just waiting for someone to stop and hire them. Yet, if a police car stopped and asked for ID the courts would say they were profiling.

[GeorgiaRedneck]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE"> We need to do something to make it harder for citizens to find illegals to hire or to fine those who do knowingly hire illegals.[/QUOTE]

Substitute the word 'prostitute' for 'illegal' and the problem magically disappears. There is no difference between the two, is there?

Would you call it 'sexual' profiling when the cops roll up to a dozen women on the street corner in halter tops, mini-skirts and fishnet stockings, smiling and waving at THEIR Johns?

[Sum1Lsezfault]

Arthur wrote:
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">. . . on nov. 02, 2005 repub. duncan hunter along with repub. virgil goode *propose a fence [not a wall] 2,000 miles long ! according to the article the cost would be 8 billion dollars for a fence . i don't think that it would be that high but even using that 8 billion dollar number i would prefer 8 billion dollars being spent on the usa border wall rather then . . . [/QUOTE]

8 bil sounds like an inflated figure to me. I'm curious as to how many miles of fence the King Ranch has. *Gotta be pretty close to that figure if not more. *Now it is a barb wire fence of course but material is not the big cost here, labor is. The ranch couldn't have that much money, or even half that, tied up in fences. Of course the whole ranch may not be fenced which if that's the case, this post was just a waste. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif