Free Speech ruling for Illegals

[Old Man]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Appeals court rules against Redondo Beach stings

Decision disallows the city from using its solicitation ordinance to prevent people from seeking day work.

By Kristin S. Agostoni

A federal appeals court panel has upheld a ruling barring Redondo Beach from using its solicitation ordinance to prevent day laborers from seeking work along city streets.
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&quot;They can still solicit work,&quot; MALDEF attorney Shaheena Ahmad Simons said. &quot;And it's also a victory in the fact that the 9th Circuit rejected the city's arguments.&quot; [/QUOTE]National Federation of Republican Assemblies (http://www.gopwing.com/modules.php?sid=857)

According to Fox News coverage on this, the court ruling was interpreted as a “free speech right” for the workers to seek employment.

The advocate for the workers said illegal immigrants are entitled to “free speech” even though they aren’t here legally.

[Old Man]

I have a follow up question

Does the Bill of Rights apply to Illegal Aliens?
Yes in all cases?
Not all rights but some?
No, but human rights do apply?
No, they have no rights of any kind?

[arthur]

i suppose that this will be appealed , the way the usa is going it might be appealed and upheld !! pretty soon illegals will be buying guns at gun stores claiming a - second amendment right - !! pretty funny actually , boggles my mind . i'll have to take a run down to redondo and check it out . haven't been there in a couple of years !! ----- to answer the question , they have no rights other then the right to be humanely deported !!

[RealDeal]

It's the same situation in my city....we can't do anything (supposedly) to stop day workers from standing on corners soliciting, nor can we do anything about those picking them up to work. But no one likes them standing on corners, SO WE HAVE NOW BUILT BUILDINGS FOR THEM TO CONGREGATE IN!!!

Does the stupidity ever stop??

To answer your deep thought questions OM....

Does the Bill of Rights apply to Illegal Aliens?
Yes in all cases?
Not all rights but some?
No, but human rights do apply?
No, they have no rights of any kind?


I know that there are some who disagree with me, but TO ME, our Bill of Rights only protects American citizens, and those in our country legally.

That seems to be the problem here; some think that our rights extend to non-citizens who come here illegally. Including the official position of the local catholic churches (here in Cali). Pishaw!!

Human Rights....different. We can and should arrest illegals, but then we can't just kill them, or something equally as horrible. We should treat them with HUMAN respect and send them home.

[candles]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">I have a follow up question

Does the Bill of Rights apply to Illegal Aliens?
Yes in all cases?
Not all rights but some?
No, but human rights do apply?
No, they have no rights of any kind?
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At first I thought this was an easy question, then .......I don't know. The Bill of Rights apply to US citizens not illegials. they have rights as human beings, Gods laws.

[papajaxxx]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Does the stupidity ever stop??
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Nope! As long as there are liberals, &quot;Stupidity&quot; will be the standard of the day. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/shake.gif

[Speedway]

The Preamble to the Constitution defines who &quot;the people&quot; are:

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.[/QUOTE]

The people covered by this document are the &quot;people of the United States,&quot; so NO, illegals are not covered by any of the amendments and therefore have no rights here.

They are subject to the laws of the United States simply because of their presence. I'm sure that if they have any rights whatsoever, that they are spelled out in immigration laws. I'm sure that their treatment during deportation is covered. It's just a matter of complying with laws already on the books.

[Charie]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">&quot;And it's also a victory in the fact that the 9th Circuit rejected the city's arguments.&quot; [/QUOTE]

Does the 9th Circus ever get anything right?

To your questions, OM. Are they perhaps trick ones that will make us http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/madgo.gif and http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/fire.gif ? To say nothing of http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/banghead.gif ?
I agree with Speed. They sound like reasonable, sensible answers which is what makes me doubt they're correct. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mdr11.gif

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves[ and our posterity [/QUOTE]

That one partial sentence looks like the answer to our questions.

[Texas Teacher]

Speedway, you are absolutly correct. Illegals are not protected by our constitution. They do have human rights but no constititional rights. It is not a trick question, it is easy to answer. The courts have tried to give them the same rights, but only &quot;We the people&quot; can give them the rights through an amendment to the constitution. The courts have acted illegally but the wimps in congress continue to let them get by with it.

[Old Man]

Speedway has the answer I chose. I can't believe you think I would ask questions that ---- Oh well, I won't go there.

Yes, just like our founders said when <table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">&quot;We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and true religion... Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other&quot;

John Adams, second US president
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Thus, when a person comes from another nation and its government and has not, through permit or path to citizenship legally entered and vowed to obey our laws while here, then, our Constitution doesn't apply. But, since we are a moral and religious nation, we will apply human rights and insure the transportation back to their home country of all who are here illegally is done with respect and care to prevent injury unless they resist.

If they are here to legitimately escape a nation we have recognized as a nation that should not have refugees returned to, we can waive the illegal entry but still require our laws be followed. But, as a nation, we are not obligated other than by the will of the majority to even do that. While we can force the government to be &quot;more or less&quot; open, the government isn't supposed to overrule the will of the people and open the border without our permission as they have done.