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Titus
03-27-2006, 06:29 PM
Iam disappointed in being an American and ashamed to be an American. Well, might as well open the door and let the world to come in because that is what this means. It is a big F U to the American citizens and they are going to shove it down our throats like i have said. Yes, iam a disappointed American and it is evident that our vote doesn’t count nor care about what the American people think.

T

AZJen
03-28-2006, 11:10 AM
Bravo Titus... someone needed to say it.

I'm an immigrant to this country. My family was separated for many months while my father worked on a visa and we waited for our "papers" to come through. His education was assessed by a panel; his background was checked extensively. He was a marketing executive - worked his entire life, always paid taxes in our home country, never got in trouble (save for a couple of speeding tickets). It was difficult on all of us, but we waited.

What's going on now is a mockery of what my family went through. We spent thousands on lawyers. We spent many months apart. But we survived and all five of us became productive members of society. Homeowners, investors, community activists, volunteers. The "new" immigrants wish to Balkanize our cities (OUR cities) and show allegiance to their home country (their home country, mind you, that gave them a swift kick in the ### out the door). They yell things like "Osama" at sporting events.

It's disgusting.

jackbenimble
03-28-2006, 11:23 AM
It is disgusting and it is looking bad.

But the fat lady has not yet sung. We can keep fighting this stuff on the Senate Floor and then in the Senate/House Conferance and then on the House Floor.

I think we have a good chance of defeating the McCainnedy Shamnesty. The key is to keep the pressure on. If you are not a member of numbersUSA and FAIR you need to join. It is free and they make it very easy to keep track of what is going on and who to fax. The faxes are pre-written and free.

The staff in the Washington office knows me on a first name basis but I have been giving them polite hell almost every day for a month. Now and again I call their local offices rather than Washington. I have also convinced a few of my friends to start calling to.

Buck up and join the fight!

Regards,
Jack

Titus
03-28-2006, 12:26 PM
AZJen

Thank you, i wonder what it does or the reflection it has on those that did come here legally and waited in line and spent millions of dollars to come to this great country. Only to be what and what does the citizenship mean to those that have come here legally? I respect those that come here legally as my own father is a foreign born of Ireland but it isn’t in the same sense as someone coming here. So where does this leave those that came here legally?

T

GeorgiaRedneck
03-28-2006, 02:59 PM
Abandoned and insulted, that's where....

Terri
03-28-2006, 03:13 PM
It leaves those who came here legally exactly where they were before. Respected legal citizens of the United States of America, a position which I am not willing to relinquish by saying I'm ashamed to be an American.

I don't blame anyone for being disappointed with the action of a handful of senators yesterday but Jack has given you some very good advice.

Please read his post again.

GroovyLady
03-28-2006, 07:21 PM
jackbenimble - you beat me to the post again!!! i sent the numbersusa fax and was all set to come here and tell everyone about it! but, you already did!! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

i think the website is numbersusa.com or something like that.

papajaxxx
03-28-2006, 07:25 PM
I must ask: Who should we fear the most?

1. The illegal immigrants?

2. Or the leaders of our country who allow them to break our laws?

arthur
03-28-2006, 08:04 PM
MY HAND IS IN THE AIR --- oooh , ---- oooh , hard question -- but i'll take a shot , its gotta be the leaders or elected representitives of the american people that we should fear !! yeah , the guys that we taxpayers support starting from the top of the gravy train to the bottom are the one's to be afraid of . http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif just my silly guess .

lance sjogren
03-28-2006, 09:24 PM
The ones that people really need to come down on like a ton of bricks are the Republicans who voted for the Kennedy bill.

DeWine of Ohio
Brownback of Kansas
Graham of South Carolina
Specter of Pennsylvania

Of those, I'd say forget Specter because this is his last term and I think he does what he does simply because he is totally out of it.

As to Brownback, he's dead wrong and always has been but I doubt the people of Kansas will put him out to pasture.

As to Graham, he deserves to be slammed. I left some choice words on his voicemail about what I think of his stance on immigration policy.

It seems he is just being a disciple of John McCain, an excellent example of the blind leading the blind. It will be a rude awakening for both of them when they find that their remaining political aspirations come to a screeching halt once the public has caught on to the radicalism and destructiveness of their immigration proposals.

And as to DeWine, I know this is a Republican website but I advocate teaching the open borders lobby a lesson by defeating DeWine in November.

At the time of the writing of my book "Immigration Politics" (which should be available for order from Author House within 2 weeks and from amazon.com etc. by end of May, Dewine had a "F-" ABI rating for his recent voting record. His vote the other day certainly solidifies his position as one of the absolute worst members of the Senate, of EITHER party, on immigration policy.


As to the pessimism expressed by previous commenters about the Judiciary Committee vote: The Senate Judiciary Committee is the most rabidly open borders legislative body in Washington. As Roy Beck pointed out, the Judiciary Committee vote was actually a tactical victory for pro-borders advocates because only 4 of the 10 Republicans voted for it. Since the overall Senate is not quite as rabidly open borders as the Judiciary Committee, it is a safe bet that if this bill were voted on by the full Senate it would receive a minority of the Republicans. With some good grassroots pressure I think maybe it could be held to only about 15. That would mean that the bill would essentially be a Democrat bill coming out of the Senate.

That gives the House all the more reason to tell the Senate to go fly a kite.

And Jim Sensenbrenner is standing tall on his stance that he will not permit an amnesty to be part of the immigration bill that comes out of conference.

From his comments, the other day, Sensenbrenner clearly gets it. He mentioned the impact that Americans are feeling on their schools and medical care because of illegal aliens.


For those who were expressing pessimism- I beg to differ. Right now things are going less well in the Senate for the open borders crowd than they had hoped. With more public pressure we can see to it that the final bill that comes out of the Senate is not what they hoped for.

Pro-borders organizations always figured the Senate would pass an open borders bill. I always thought there was a decent shot at stopping it because of too much disagreement about what kind of amnesty. So far, it doesn't appear at all clear that there is anything resembling consensus in the Senate.

Even if the Senate passes an amnesty, the odds are still good of stopping it in the House.

If we can prevent it from even getting out of the Senate, however, that would be a tremendous message to the open borders lobby that they can't even win on thier home turf.

debralee
03-29-2006, 07:56 AM
This is a relatively clear explanation of current immigration bills in congress

Key Features of Immigration Proposals (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/3754708.html)

Luckyme
03-30-2006, 02:48 PM
I'm with Jack. We must do all we can and not wait for others to do it for us.