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Terri
03-27-2006, 02:30 PM
Senate Cuts Part of House Immigration Bill
AP
WASHINGTON - As immigration rights activists rallied outside the Capitol, senators broke Monday from the House's get-tough approach by refusing to make criminals of people who help illegal immigrants.
The Senate Judiciary Committee adopted an amendment by Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., that would protect church and charitable groups, as well as individuals, from criminal prosecution for providing food, shelter, medical care and counseling to undocumented immigrants.
"Charitable organizations, like individuals, should be able to provide humanitarian assistance to immigrants without fearing prosecution," Durbin said.
More (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060327/ap_on_go_co/immigration_17)
Mary-Lou
03-27-2006, 02:34 PM
http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif (sigh) They'll just keep chipping away at this till it's nothing. Yet they refuse to give the President a line-item veto to eliminate their pork.
Luckyme
03-27-2006, 03:56 PM
I am so angry I could scream. By the time the Senate gets through with the bill, it will be useless.
Seems the illegals marching in the streets have more of an impact on our illustrious Senators than Americans do, despite our petitions, faxes, letters, and emails. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/madgo.gif
Ken Sr.
03-27-2006, 04:02 PM
Lucky, I'm angry, like you. *Maybe we need to gather a group & go burn some of those Mexican flags the protestors were waving. *How many of THEM may have been illegals? *Where do they get off, demanding ANY kind of rights!
God Bless President Bush!
God Bless ALL of our WARRIORS! (that INCLUDES the Border Patrol!)
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Titus
03-27-2006, 05:54 PM
I guess being an American is meaningless, our Senators are more interested in Corp kickbacks than what the American people want. I am so angry i dont know what to do. I have been on the phones all day, iam fed up and iam done if this goes though. We mean nothing to our politicians. Illegals are more important than us Americans.
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jackbenimble
03-27-2006, 06:11 PM
I watched the Arlen Spinctor's act on CSPAN for quite a bit of the afternoon.
This bill is so bad it is unimaginable!
It is every bad piece of immigration legislation Teddy Kenneddy and George Bush ever thought of all rolled into one.
They started with the McCainneddy Shamnesty and amended it to include the Agjobs Amnesty and the DREAM Act Amnesty.
It also includes massive expansions of every legal guestwork visa category. I believe it allows unlimited numbers of Math and Science students to work for a year out of college and get green cards so if your kids are studing to be in the computer field you might want to point them in a direction where they might be able to earn a living. I'd suggest the same thing for anyone considering studying nursing.
They call it a compromise because it suppossedly also includes some enforcement. Essentially that amounted to reauthorizing the 10,000 Border Patrol Agents that they authorized last year.
I think 5 Republican Senators supported it. I know there was Arlen Spinctor, and McCain's VP in training the smurphy Lindsey Graham who almost caused me to puke each and every time he opened his mouth and I was really disheartened to see Brownback vote for it. I won't ever foregive him for that. I didn't catch the other two because they voted by proxy.
John Kyl and Jeff Sessions were the only two Republicans who showed any courage in opposing it. John Cornyn also voted against it by proxy but didn't have the courage to be in the room.
It is really bad! To get a sense of the scope, beyond the immeditate amnesty for 12 million illegals, it is expected to expand legal immigration over the next 10 years from what would be about 10 million immigrants under our current law to about 30 million under the Spinctor law.
Now we get to watch two weeks of debate on the Senate floor where it will probably get worse.
Regards,
Jack
Amawalk John
03-27-2006, 06:17 PM
This week would be a good time to have someone with backbone in the House and in the conference committee. Someone like Tom Delay.
My view on the legislation is that all we need to do is enforce the laws we have. We don't need the false symbolism of a signing in the Rose Garden and lots of self congratulation amongst the legislators. That sort of theater doesn't fool anyone anymore, particularly now that one can hear the chants and demands of the vandals at the gates of our cities.
jackbenimble
03-27-2006, 06:23 PM
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Delay would dissappoint you. He wants a guestworker shamnesty and so does Hastert.
But Jim Sensennbrenner will be on that committee and he is very tough and very stubborn. He has said that amnesty won't happen and he just got finished condemning the Senate's bill on Lou Dobbs so hopefully he will be able to kill it.
Regards,
Jack
Terri
03-27-2006, 06:26 PM
We already got a good enforcement bill through the House.
Frist said earlier that he would not bring the Judicial Committee bill to the floor but would bring his own enforcement bill instead.
Last I heard there was still a meeting going on in his office on that topic. He may cave in.
Either way, there is supposed to be two weeks of debate. It's just going to get uglier and uglier.
Terri
03-27-2006, 08:08 PM
Here's Lindsay Grahams spin on his yes vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee.
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Senate Judiciary Committee Approves Comprehensive Immigration Reform (http://lgraham.senate.gov/index.cfm?mode=press page&id=253168)
WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) today said the Senate Judiciary Committee has completed its work on comprehensive immigration reform. The vote in committee was 12-6 with Graham voting in support.
The Committee had completed work on the sections of the bill toughening protection of the border making it tougher for illegal immigrants to enter the United States. Today, the committee worked on how to handle the estimated eleven million illegal immigrants currently in the United States.
“The Senate’s first step in comprehensive immigration reform was to physically tighten protection of the southern border,” said Graham. “In committee, we have created a virtual fence along parts of our southern border which relies on cameras, motion detectors and other technological devices to keep people from entering the United States illegally. While many issues surrounding immigration reform are contentious, there is broad agreement among Republicans and Democrats that maintaining the status quo along the southern border is simply unacceptable.”
Graham expressed support for a real fence where practical. It would be similar to the San Diego Border Fence, a state-of-the-art nearly impenetrable barrier which made illegal entry into our nation much more difficult. The San Diego area was once a haven for illegal crossings but the Border Fence nearly stopped the flood of border crossings from Mexico into the area. Unfortunately, there is not enough support in the Senate Judiciary Committee for construction of a Border Fence.
“Today we moved on to the next phase of immigration reform and that’s what to do with the estimated eleven million immigrants who are already in the United States,” said Graham. “We have to come to grips with the fact that we have eleven million undocumented people in the country right now. The idea of telling them to go home and come back later is unrealistic. It would also cost $40 billion a year to deport all illegal immigrants currently in the United States.”
“The guest worker program which passed the committee would allow immigrants to come out of the shadows, undergo a comprehensive background check, pay a fine, pay their back taxes, and then work in the United States,” said Graham. “It’s a process which will make our nation more secure by helping kick out the bad apples, allowing those who wish to work to continue doing so and benefit our national economy.”
The process for an immigrant who entered the country illegally to continue working includes an assortment of fines, background checks, employment verification, and education in civics and English.
“Amnesty grants immigrants immediate citizenship and that’s why I oppose amnesty,” said Graham. “Anyone trying to become a citizen under the guest-worker program must meet very strict criteria over an eleven year period. Ronald Reagan, one of our greatest presidents, tried amnesty and it failed. We should not repeat that mistake.”
To receive a work visa, illegal immigrants would be forced to:
1) Register with the government or face deportation.
2) Pay a $1,000 fine.
3) Undergo an extensive and comprehensive background check to ensure they do not have a criminal record or pose a danger to society.
4) Show proof of employment.
5) Continue to remain employed while in the United States. Lack of employment longer than 45 days results in deportation.
After six years of work in the United States, they could apply for a second five year extension. Immigrants would be forced to:
6) Pay another $1,000 fine.
7) Undergo a second comprehensive background check to ensure they do not have a criminal record or pose a danger to society.
8) Pay any back taxes.
9) Attend a class on American civics.
10) Learn to speak English.
11) Upon completion of these requirements, they would go to the back of the line to apply for permanent resident alien status.
12) After another five years (a total of 11 years after first registering) they would be eligible to apply to become an American citizen.
Graham noted that while President Bush has not endorsed a specific guest worker plan, the proposal passed by the committee today is similar to what the President has discussed.
“In some ways, we’re hypocritical as a nation,” said Graham. “We want the benefit of the labor, but we haven’t come to grips with how they should be allowed into the country. There are many industries in South Carolina and across the country which are dependent upon this workforce.”
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