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pRIMrose
03-05-2003, 06:40 AM
Terence Jeffrey
Townhall.com
March 5, 2003

Here is a question for the San Francisco appeals court judges who last week let stand a ruling, signed last summer by two of their colleagues, that it is unconstitutional for students to say "under God" in public schools.

Dear Judges: If we are not under God, whom are we under? Who is final authority for our law?

Alfred T. Goodwin is the judge who authored the court's opinion striking down the practice in California's Elk Grove Unified School District of saying the Pledge of Allegiance at the start of each day. Goodwin argued that the ultimate authority over these schools is not God, but the Constitution itself -- or, that is, the Constitution as interpreted by him and Judge Stephen Reinhardt, who joined his decision, and the majority on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit who let it stand.

Goodwin argues that in the First Amendment -- which says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" -- the Framers adopted for the U.S. government a doctrine of neutrality on the question of whether there is a God.

It follows from this, even if we only discovered it last year, that the United States has been an officially agnostic nation ever since ratification of the Bill of Rights in 1791.

The Framers understood that if we refused to recognize God's ultimate sovereignty over the state, we would be forced to recognize someone else's. (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/terencejeffrey/tj20030305.shtml)

Very interesting concept. There is no doubt in my mind that the founding fathers intended for us to recognize a deity in our day to day lives.

Janice Ann
03-05-2003, 10:49 AM
I wonder how the Founding Fathers would have written the Constitution and Bill of Rights if they would have had all the science and technology that we have today.

Being that it was all taken into consideration prior to the industrial revolution and where the church was just starting to lose their grip on the population of the world that they controled through fear for many centuries, just where would God stand in society.

In a day gone by when many things could not be explained, a supreme infulence was the only answer.

Much of what is quoted here comes from those days gone by, but times have changed and so should ones references.

Charie
03-05-2003, 11:18 AM
Judge Alfred T. Newman and his little band of *Merrie Madmen, I'm sure believe in themselves, the Rational Self. *The Age of Reason (and didn't that theory arise from France?) tried to argue away the existence of God. *Too many highly intelligent people that I know and respect believe in His existence for me to deny it. I quoted a man who is a mechanical engineer some time ago in the forum, but think it bears repeating: *"The world shows signs of having been created. *Therefore, there must be a Creator."*I find the idea of the Chaos Theory to be absurd.

pRIMrose
03-05-2003, 03:18 PM
Sounds reasonable to me Charie. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/twothumbsup.gif