No more Cold Wars

[Aknauta]

Jewish World Review Feb. 25, 2003 / 23 Adar I, 5763
Michael Long


The Cradle of Civilization, Again
No more Cold Wars


The removal of Iraq as an international troublemaker is going to change the world for the better.

Once the current Iraqi regime is removed, American soldiers will find massive and hidden stockpiles of restricted materiel and weapons. The true scope of Saddam's ability to support terrorism will be laid out for the world.

Iraqis, and a significant population within the Arab world, will see by America's magnanimous post-war behavior that U.S. intentions were as stated: the removal of a source of mischief and weapons of mass destruction (WMD), with the splendid byproduct of the liberation of the Iraqi people from a murderer-dictator.

More important, though, is that the deposing of Saddam Hussein will mark the start of a long-term effort toward a restructured and, eventually, peaceful Middle East.

The world's long history of violent despots teaches at least these things: force is the universal language of dictators; it is the only way to get terrorists' attention; and even lovers of peace must be fluent to survive --- especially lovers of peace. A historic display of American military might --- Iraq 2003 will make the Gulf War look like a cudgel - will give our enemies pause.

This time, we have a chance to head off a far more dangerous cold war with radical Islam. (http://www.jewishworldrevie w.com/michael/long.html)

[Floridaguy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This time, we have a chance to head off a far more dangerous cold war with radical Islam. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'> Head it off? Doubtful. Delay it significantly? Probably, and that alone is a worthy endeavor. The day the Muslim nations and everyone else clash in a holy war, will make the historical holy wars look like child's play. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

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[Charie]

Isn't what the liberals call &quot;containment&quot; a form of Cold War, in itself.

Flguy, a so-called holy war with Muslim fundamentalists just doesn't even bear thinking about. Every Western country is full of them and even our prisons are loaded with them, their leaders paid by us taxpayers. One of these days we've got to put down that hammer that we keep hitting ourselves in the head with and use it on our enemies.

[Aknauta]

Well my friends there are millions of muslims all over the world that like and respect us, millions more that live a secular life or at least live happily in a democracy.

Iraq will allow us to draw the line at radical regimes. It will be a message to others that radicalism doesn't pay, no matter what it's origins.

The transformation of Iraq into a living breathing democracy with the advantages of the rule of law will break the back of the extremists and show more muslims that peace, security and a better life is achievable for them too. Why do you think the Saudis are so frighted of this war? Because it means the eventual end of the House of Saud.

No, we have nothing much to fear from radical Isamic groups, but they have much to fear from us. If you disagree with me then have some fun in the next 2 years watching the evolution in Iraq along with me. I'll be rooting for the good guys.

[pRIMrose]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Once the current Iraqi regime is removed, American soldiers will find massive and hidden stockpiles of restricted materiel and weapons. The true scope of Saddam's ability to support terrorism will be laid out for the world. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Spelled out ~ we are going to find out just who has supplied Saddam with much of his WMD. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tqrolleyes.gif

I agree with FlGuy, the muslim religion doesn't tend to lean toward democracy. They have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the civilized world. It doesn't matter how &quot;secular&quot; that many of them are ~ they are muslims first and secular second when push comes to shove.
Any threat to their perverted way of thinking is construed as an attack on their religion. It is going to be very difficult to &quot;re-program&quot; fourteen hundred years of hate. They only understand one thing ~ force.

[Drewman626]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aknauta @ Feb. 26, 2003 -- 7:32 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well my friends there are millions of muslims all over the world that like and respect us, millions more that live a secular life or at least live happily in a democracy.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
WHERE ARE THEY?!?!?!

And why aren't THEY out on the streets holding signs? I'm not talking about the ones at gunpoint in Iraq, I'm talking about the one's in our own country!

Why didn't we see one single loud voice of condemnation of the 911 attacks? Why didn't Infume' (sp?) come out and appoligize for the radicals of his religion?

If there are so many American loving muslims out there, why aren't they up in arms and screaming their support for America?

[French]

You see? You've spent the time ******* many countries that now you fill continuously menaced. You have to think on chemical, biological... attacks. Why, people don't feel this way in Europe.

Why is it then that you always think the rest of the world is against you? Maybe because you can't stop 'touching the balls' of other countries.

You need a 400 billion budget for defense per year, instead of social security, public universities and other education and social plans. *

The problem is not outside, the problem are yourselves.
Poor USA!

The problem with you Americans is that you can not think for yourselves, you just believe everything your president, FBI, CIA, CNN, and others say. It's a pity because you have very wit minds there, such as Noam Chomsky. But you insist on believing all that propaganda anti-moslem, pro-jewish, pro-war, pro-guns, anti-French, anti-Russia, ... anti-LIFE, anti-PEACE, anti-WORLD.

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[conn.servative]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH A

I started to get mad at you French for spewing that garbage out of your mouth, but i'll just laugh at your ignorance instead, it'll keep my blood pressure low.

We can't think for ourselves?

Why is that whenever a liberal disagrees with you, they say that you can't think for yourself?

Anti-muslim? You call us anti-muslim? There are an estimated 7 million muslims in america. If we were anti-muslim why wouldn't we kick them all out after 9/11?

Quote[/b] ]you just believe everything your president, FBI, CIA, CNN, and others say

hahahahahahahahaha.. ...you can't be serious. the president, FBI, and CIA have access to vast amounts of information, intelligence, etc. You're hinting that they are a bunch of liars. Well then if my government is lying, one could assume that Saddam is telling the truth. If that's what you really, honestly think, then you should remove your head from your @ss, and take a good look at the evidence that has been brought forth.

Don't come into this forum cursing and spewing anti-usa crap. you should walk in here with a big giant &quot;i'm glad i'm not german&quot; sign. and yes i am arrogant, and no I won't let you forget WWII. And you can have the statue of liberty back too, it's stained and tainted by your leader's ignorance.

And why are you worried about our budget? Your economy is in the sh!tter.

Quote[/b] ]You have to think on chemical, biological... attacks. Why, people don't feel this way in Europe.


Well now that's just down right ignorant, stupid, and most importantly WRONG.

There are too many to list so I'll stick with these 3....

1- They found ricin in England and England is in Europe.
2- They've found numerous terrorists in Spain and Spain is also in Europe.
3- They found ricin in the subway system in Paris. And your own police as recently as last week were on high alert for a terror attack. Why? You oppose the war. Why are you a target? Explain that one to me. I can't wait to hear this.

You don't worry about it, but you should. You just don't get it do you? You will be attacked one day. If you aren't you can thank the US, UK, Spain, Portugal, and the rest of the coalition fighting the war on Saddam and the war on terror. You think people who intentionally kill 3000+ CIVILIANS give a sh!t about what country they hit? They're not fighting a war. They're not attacking the military, or even government officials. They're attacking civilians EVERYWHERE.

You know what you can do. You can print this post, hold it in your right hand, and then slap the sh!t out of yourself for being so ignorant.

Quote[/b] ]Why is it then that you always think the rest of the world is against you? Maybe because you can't stop 'touching the balls' of other countries.


Being a frenchman you would know a lot about touching balls huh?

[FedUpWithLibs]

AMEN conn!

Hey French, the reason we spend so much on defense is to not only defend ourselves but pansies like you.

What? No reply to conn?

French has already put his hands in the air and surrendured.

French, call Iraq and see if someone there will come and bail you out.

[Granite River]

This French girl is pretty funny.

She is right when she throws all Americans into the same category when it comes to what we think about the French. Too drunk on wine to bath or remember who or what they had sex with last. But they have some fast trains and air planes. Of course they cost much more than they are worth. I guess that is why they had to throw away what they used to call money and start using that new German money.

[conn.servative]

I just love the fact that we've finally gotten a french person in here. *You can't imagine how utterly thrilled I am. *This is going to be fun, fun, fun.

I saw a political cartoon today:

Normandy, June 6, 1944. *

Drawing of US troops in boats ready to storm the beaches.

Caption at the bottom reads:
&quot;The invasion to liberate France is off, men! *We've decided to allow Hitler more time to cooperate with the inspectors...&quot;

[French]

Yes, anti-Muslims. You also have much more millions of blacks and there was apartheid in the USA till some days ago. And don't make me laugh, you can not kick them.

Yes, the FBI, NSA, CIA, Bush and others spend a lot of money, and have access to much info (do they already speak some Arabic or Farsi?), yet no 9/11 was foreseen. Ah, what failed? What will be next? Can you imagine?

And please, don't try to give me any class about Spanish terrorism, I live in Spain and know 'a bit' about ETA and all this. 'They found terrorist in Spain'... hahaha I see what's your knowledge of all this. So lets see what is mr Bush going to do after the war to help that Aznar to capture ETA. Nothing! That smart Aznar you mention said years ago when reached presidency that would finish with ETA. We still have them, but thanks to France, mister cowboy, they are now in a serious pinch. That's it.

So long.
And remember, America is free, I can come to any forum to speak about anything, didn't you remember?

[French]

Oh, my kids, who sold all these arms to Saddam?
What does it mean an ilegal weapon? One that ilegally kills people? So, if you want to kill people legally, buy a legal weapon. Buy American weapons, legal weapons for legal murders.

That's good marketing!

I suppose Saddam cares as much about killing people as the USA cared when bombing Cambodja and Laos in the Vietnam War. Ok, there was an excuse, it turned out there were comunists in North Vietnam, you were afraid! Is that current Vietnamese government comunist? Yes, I think, so what?
A renewal of weapons, much more research on the art of war.

[conn.servative]

Quote[/b] ]Yes, anti-Muslims. You also have much more millions of blacks and there was apartheid in the USA till some days ago. And don't make me laugh, you can not kick them.


Okay, now you've reiterated your point. *Let's try proving it. *How are we anti-muslim? *There are millions of muslims living in the USA practicing their religion freely.

The blacks you may be refering to are in the Nation of Islam and are Islamic fundamentalists, and they too, are free to practice their religion.

Quote[/b] ]Yes, the FBI, NSA, CIA, Bush and others spend a lot of money, and have access to much info (do they already speak some Arabic or Farsi?), yet no 9/11 was foreseen. Ah, what failed? What will be next? Can you imagine?

Actually, there were many indications that there was going to be an attack, they just couldn't foresee the exact date, time, and perpetrators. *But there are hundreds of thousands of flights in this country everday. *How one could pick 18 passengers out of 3 of those flights is beyond me. *You sit here and ask what will be next, and can I imagine. *

So you do recognize the fact that there will be more attacks on this country. *What do you suppose we do about it? *Pull our troops out of the middle east? *Why do you think they are there in the first place? *Do you think the UN would allow the USA to &quot;occupy&quot; all those countries? *Why do you never hear the Governments of those countries telling the UN to get our soldiers out of their country? *The are there because they are needed. *If they weren't needed they would be expelled.

Quote[/b] ]'They found terrorist in Spain'... hahaha I see what's your knowledge of all this.

I'm not talking about the ETA, I'm talking about the al-Qaeda operatives in Spain. *

What about the ricin found in the subway in Paris? *What about the Parisian Police on High Alert? *Paris has been the biggest opponent of this war, by your logic our meddling has led to this attack. *Well what about France? *They are surely staying out of this one (at least pubicly), why are they being targeted by terrorists? *No comment on that?

Quote[/b] ]And remember, America is free, I can come to any forum to speak about anything, didn't you remember?

America is free, but this forum has rules. If you continue to break those rules by cursing, you'll soon find your privileges revoked. Or don't you remember reading the subscriber &amp; member agreement?

[Heffalump]

Oh, French! Listen to your responses! And remember that just maybe we're reaching out to &quot;touch&quot; someone before they choose to do alot more than that to us and/or any other peace loving democracy! http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif

[conn.servative]

Quote[/b] ]Oh, my kids, who sold all these arms to Saddam?
What does it mean an ilegal weapon? One that ilegally kills people? So, if you want to kill people legally, buy a legal weapon. Buy American weapons, legal weapons for legal murders

Ask the UN what weapons are illegal. *That's the one thing that anyone who opposes this war seems to always conveniently ignore. *

US/Iraq signed a cease-fire at the end of the first Gulf War. *That cease-fire was contingent upon SH disarming. *Since the cease-fire was signed, there were 17 UN resolutions demand Saddam Hussein DISARM. *You see WE'RE NOT DICTATING WHAT IS LEGAL &amp; ILLEGAL, THE UN HAS DICTATED THAT, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO ENFORCE THEIR DECISION. *In October the UN voted on Resolution 1441 15-0 that SH must DISARM or face serious consequences. *It wasn't up to us to prove that he had illegal arms under the UN resolution, IT WAS UP TO HIM TO PROVE HE DIDN'T. *He failed miserably and that comes to no great shock. *

Quote[/b] ]I suppose Saddam cares as much about killing people as the USA cared when bombing Cambodja and Laos in the Vietnam War. Ok, there was an excuse, it turned out there were comunists in North Vietnam, you were afraid! Is that current Vietnamese government comunist? Yes, I think, so what?

The Vietnam War was a terrible war. *Millions of Americans protested against that war. *THAT administration was lying to the American people. *THIS admnistration is completely different. *Personally I think we were wrong to be there. *The current government is communist, and we haven't been back, so what's your point? *China is communist, and relations with them (prior to this disagreement) had never been better. *Cuba is communist, close, and small, we could take them out in about 3 days....we don't. *What's your point? *N. Korea is communist, is violating a non-proliferation treaty they signed with us and expelled inspectors. *What are we doing? *FEEDING MILLIONS OF N. KOREANS EVERYDAY. *So what is your point? *Iraq is not Vietnam, the differences are too numerous to number, but you can't compare the two Wars, one is justified, one was not.

Don't you see your defending a man who has intentionally intermingled his military with civilians so that there will be more civilian casualties. *And don't talk to me about diplomacy, resolutions, and sanctions. *All the sanctions did was starve the people of Iraq, because countries like France traded illegaly for oil with Saddam, which helped to fund his regime, which allowed him to starve the people by using his money towards research on weapons that under UN mandates he wasn't supposed to have. *Weapons that he would one day use on his neighbors, or even slip into the hands of someone to use on me. *Thank God my president won't stand for that.

[Terri]

Quote[/b] ]And remember, America is free, I can come to any forum to speak about anything, didn't you remember?


Not quite!

This is a privately owned forum! If you want to post here you will follow the rules. Click on the Rules button and read what you agreed to when you signed up for this forum.

First of all you will clean up your language.

Secondly you will not attack the other members.

We discuss issues here. If you are able to debate issues and not just call names we will talk to you.

[conn.servative]

Quote[/b] ]I suppose Saddam cares as much about killing people as the USA cared when bombing Cambodja and Laos in the Vietnam War. Ok, there was an excuse, it turned out there were comunists in North Vietnam, you were afraid! Is that current Vietnamese government comunist? Yes, I think, so what?

Again, your looking at America and the actions of every administration of America as if they are one in the same. You don't understand our government if that's what you think. This administration couldn't be more different from the prior one. Don't you understand? Because we were wrong in Vietnam, doesn't mean we're wrong now. By your logic we should continue to hate Japan for Pearl Harbor, we're allies now, we learn, grow, and move on....it's time for you to do the same.

[Terri]

French is on restriction until he contacts me and agrees to follow the rules of the board.

If he can clean up his language, quit spamming the board with the same message, and address issues, instead of hurling insults, I'll turn his privileges back on.

[Der Alte]

Gee Terri, you stopped all my fun. I guess he can still read the posts - French, you talk about Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia - I was one of the Americans that flew in and out of French Indo-China in 1954 hauling in supplies and hauling out the wounded French. We flew under the French flag without any personnel identification just to help your people and we lost some of our people. Was that the wrong thing to do - we were in fact helping your nation who were engaged in Colonialism - something that we don't do. I left that area two weeks before the fall of Dien Bien Phu, with the last load of wounded. I won't even get into the French and Algeria - that was another sad case of Colonialism.

[m.s.u.matt]

Frenchie, Frenchie, Frenchie...where to begin? *You speak of our military budget. *Our military budget would be cut by 90% if our only concern was cornering the market on &quot;white sheet&quot;, like that &quot;Paris Harlot&quot; Chirac. *The United States has only prospered over the years, while France has wallowed in a downward economic spiral, created by a failed socialist economy and cowardly, spineless leaders (and I use that term loosely)! http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/fire.gif *

We have pulled Frances @$$ from the fire in WWI and WWII, yes thats right, AND I WON'T EVER LET YOU FORGET IT! *The truth is France WAS CONQUERED by the Nazi's and her people WERE enslaved! *Tens of thousands of Americans gave their LIVES, CRUSHED the Nazi's and freed France. *How did France repay us? *Confused and in a desperate attempt to win favor with the invading Germans, the French FIRED at U.S. soldiers. *Probably the only time a French man has ever picked up a gun I might add! *http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

After we liberated France in WWII we didn't stop. *The United States helped rebuild France through the Marshall Plan. *Thats right, in case you forgot France was one of the largest beneficiaries of &quot;The Marshall Plan&quot;, which was KEY in rebuilding the ravaged French economy.

During the Cold War, once again, the United States protected France from the &quot;big bad bully.&quot; *For 40 years American nuclear shields protected France from the Soviets, which I personally find amusing, since you're both &quot;in bed together.&quot;

Time and time again the United States has been there for the &quot;catastrophe&quot; that is France. *And how are we repaid? *For a country that we have helped, supported and defended for most of the 20 century, they fight us at every turn trying desperately to diminish OUR role in the world community. *But why? *Surely, if they were to succeed who would defend their nation? *The list &quot;backstabbing&quot; is lengthy: *

They shot at our soldiers in WWII when we were liberating them from the crushing weight of Hilter's boot.

When we confronted Castro during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the French made it known they would NOT stand with us (sound familiar anyone).

When we demanded justice for Khadafi's murder of American soldiers in a terrorist attack, the French denied us the use of their airspace! http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/fire.gif

Chirac's jealous fit of rage, when he told Soviet satellites nations they were too &quot;Pro American&quot; or told those who supported America they were &quot;childish and irresponible.&quot;

And the present, which brings us to Saddam and his regime. *France has fought us from the beginning. *But now we have seized a chemical plant and found 3,000 chemical suits. *Saddam's regime have a ring around Baghdad and they WILL use chemical weapons when coalition forces enter Baghdad. *But hey, what does France care? *Its not LIKE they have soldiers in Iraq. *Thats not what COWARDS do. *In fact, just the other day the weasel Chirac said, &quot;France will not accept a resolution of this nature tending to legitimize the military intervention and giving the American and British belligerents the right to administer Iraq...&quot; *

Don't worry, when the U.S. liberates Iraq, the entire world will know the true reasons why France didn't want us there. *They will know how Chirac has made deals to ship missile components to Iraq, through Syria and China so as not to be detected by the UN. *They will know how France trained 600 Iraqi nuclear technicians in exchange for oil contracts.

In summary France is WEAK and void of any value; socially or economically. *They are unappreciative wretches who have &quot;tried&quot; to undermine the only friend they ever had. *Thats right &quot;TRIED.&quot; *In case you haven't noticed, once again, we have proceeded with war, without you. *And we are winning. *But given the fact that all the likely successors to Saddam have opposed ANY France/Iraq oil contracts and you have really p*$$*d of the MOST POWERFUL nation in the world....it is clear France has LOST!

Hey France, look familiar http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif

[conn.servative]

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[Floridaguy]

Quote[/b] ]Hey France, look familiar http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tank.gif

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Good one Matt! You just forgot the part where France http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/surrender.gif after he catches site of the above in his telescope http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin5.gif

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[m.s.u.matt]

Thanks Conn and Floridayguy. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Hey Floridaguy, shouldn't you be in bed? You've got a loooong drive ahead of you tomorrow. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

***PRAY FOR OUR TROOPS, THEIR FAMILIES AND OUR PRESIDENT*** http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/flag17.gif

[conn.servative]

Quote[/b] ]I was one of the Americans that flew in and out of French Indo-China in 1954 hauling in supplies and hauling out the wounded French. We flew under the French flag without any personnel identification just to help your people and we lost some of our people.

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