HAMAS Targets Spain

[Mixture V rks.]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">HAMAS Targets Spain
By Dr. Rachel Ehrenfeld
FrontPageMagazine.co m | December 30, 2005


Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos’ efforts earlier this year to remove HAMAS from the European Union’s terrorist list, have done little to change HAMAS’ agenda. It is not only Palestine that children in the West Bank and Gaza are asked to liberate; now they are asked to liberate Seville. The HAMAS children’s magazine, Al-Fateh, in a recent issue, (No. 66), tells the children about the city called Asbilia (Seville) and calls on them to free it, together with the whole country, from the infidels and to reinstate Muslim rule. *


This is how the magazine has the city Asbilia (Seville) telling its story to Hamas’ children: *“Salaam Aleykum my dear beloved. *I would like to introduce myself: I am the city Asbilia, the bride of the country Andalus (Spain). *In the past I was the Capital of the Kingdom of Asbilia… the Arab Muslims, led by the hero-commander Musa bin Nusair, conquered me in 713, after a siege, which lasted one month. *
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[Charie]

Liberals can't see that Islamo-fascists want to take over the whole world. Spain wants to be the last one eaten by the alligator so they're doing all they can to appease them.

Take Hamas off the list of terrorists, indeed! Appeasement has never worked and will never work! Ask the 1930s Britons - Ask the 1940s Jews.

For pity's sake, the Marines went into Tripoley and cleaned out that pirate's nest because they were demanding payola from our shipping merchants. Paying their demands didn't help; they just kept demanding more and more. Now we just keep throwing money at all these countries which contain people who would gladly see us all dead.

I wonder if the left-wingers have any idea of who they've teamed up with.

[rangerrebew]

But Osama said &quot;friends&quot; of islime, those who didn't support the U.S. in Iraq, had nothing to worry about, were not going to be targeted by terrorists. Spain even withdrew it's troops. Please tell me he wasn't lying!!!!! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[boudicca]

Actually, this is fairly old news but not generally known to Westerners because we aren't supposed to talk about Islam. *Moreover, OBL has been obsessed with Spain for years:

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">&quot;Let the whole world know that we shall never accept that the tragedy of Andalusia would be repeated in Palestine. We cannot accept that Palestine will become Jewish.&quot;[/QUOTE]



Andalusia is the Arabic world for Muslim Spain. *Spain was de-Islamized in 1492 when Christian rule was established by Ferdinand and Isabella after an 800 year Islamic occupation. *Islamists will freely assert that once a parcel of real estate has been Islamized, it forever remains under the dominion of Islam even if it is presently existing under liberated infidel rule. *Consquently, many areas that were once ruled by Islam are especially susceptible to Islamist jihad violence and have been targeted as priorities. *The Balkans, once part of the Ottoman Empire, is another geographically explosive parcel of real estate.

From the Christian Science Monitor:

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Osama bin Laden has long targeted Spain. In his 1996 declaration of war against the US, he mentioned reclaiming Andalucia as a goal. That is the name Arabs gave to southern Spain, which was part of the Muslim Empire until 1492. Spain has been mentioned several times since then, including by Mr. bin Laden's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri. Last October, he included it in a list of nations that should be punished for helping the US in Iraq.

&quot;In bin Laden's declaration of war against the US, he talks about Americans being the new crusaders, just like the Spanish,&quot; says a senior US government official. &quot;When he alludes to that, Muslims pick up on it - Muslims are so much more cognizant of their history than us. When you talk about the conquest of Spain, it is like yesterday to them.&quot;

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Christian Science Monitor Article (http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0317/p01s02-wogi.htm)

Hamas, as an Islamist group that adhers to OBL theology and is an offshoot of the violent Muslim Brotherhood, has been quite specific in identifying &quot;Muslim&quot; lands to be re-conquered with jihad. Not surprisingly, many Muslim clerics in Spain publicly advocate that Spain must be once again Islamized and subjugated under Islamic rule.

Europeans and Americans may have short historical memories but Muslims have exceedingly long memories.

[Terri]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Actually, this is fairly old news but not generally known to Westerners because we aren't supposed to talk about Islam.[/QUOTE]

There is no shortage of talk about Islam here or anywhere else that I've been. It just isn't going to be all Islam, all the time on this partisan political forum.

[Mixture V rks.]

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I don't believe boudicca meant for the Forum to be about Islam all of the time. *However, Charie has made the point that <table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">I wonder if the left-wingers have any idea of who they've teamed up with.[/QUOTE]

This is a partisan point made here and whether or not we all like it, it impinges on nearly every piece of major legislation with which the Congress is now dealing. Take the Patriot Act for one. *Take the border issue for another. *Take the neutralization of the Mideast via Iraq and Afghanistan for a third. *Take the issue of the Germans closing the Kultur Haus in Bavaria recently for a fourth. *It was an Islamic terrorist hothouse in disguise. *

I would submit that these are issues which bear directly on most of the current major legislation or should be, if they are not. *That's why the big fight with the Democrats in the first place. *Their personal power in the Congress, in the White House and in the Judiciary is far more important to them than the country. *The entire argument on any Forum subject I've seen can be distilled down to the issue of personal power for every left wing Democrat in our entire political system. *For them this power comes first before the American people and this country. *The more people how understand this IMO the more likely the GOP will make some headway with the &quot;MugWumps&quot;. *The more people already in the GOP fold who understand this, the less likely they will be to vote for RINO's. *That's my take on this. *It may be incorrect.

[rangerrebew]

Hey Mix, how about nukes and Iraq as another example. What are we, and the United Nitwits, (yeah, right) going to do about that?

[boudicca]

Thanks Mix. *I don't really go out of my way to specifically discuss Islam on this forum but it's true that it can be unavoidable in the context of our culture, our war on terror and our national security. *Still, I attempt to make my comments historically relevant and geo-politically consequential. *

And I freely admit to making broad and frequent references to Western Civilization and Judeo-Christian culture because that's my &quot;tribe&quot; so to speak. *But I also enjoy observing how other cultures fit into our cultural mold and, with the exception of Islam, they all adjust quite nicely. The week before Christmas, my Hindu doctor complained about the war on Christmas and told me that while she isn't Christian, she just loves to celebrate Christmas.

As a firm believe that Judeo-Christian nations are the most tolerant, productive, prosperous and welcoming cultures on earth, I emphatically embrace the tolerant pluralism that has come to distinguish us from others who are not so tolerant.

As practitioners of other faiths including Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, Taoism and others have easily and productively blended into various societies, it does behoove me that Muslims remain about the only folks on earth to render themselves non-compatible with other societies and cultures.

Since we are in a state of war with radical Islam and the President is even starting to use terms like &quot;radical Islam&quot; in his speeches, I absolutely believe that it is incumbent upon us to research and understand all that we can possibly learn about Islam, its history and culture.

We want to be their friends and welcome them into the folds of tolerant human societies of all stripes, races and religions. The fact that they are reluctant to join us, as have so many others non-Christian religions, is indeed troubling. *

Unfortunately, Islamists and their supporters have managed to harshly and inhumanely declare war against the rest of the world (ROW). *If we fully intend to have a peaceful and prospering world, we need to understand why. *

Finally, I believe that this forum has many worthwhile discussions on many worthwhile topics. *I just can't see where anyone here is either specifically targeting Islam or being disrespectful. *In fact, some of the cruelest language I've read when folks get angry isn't about Islam but other issues that have managed to set folks off.

Since I like to think that conservatives aren't like the vulgar nasties that we encounter on liberal websites, it is my utmost wish that we try real hard to be respectful and polite no matter how difficult the issue.

[Old Man]

There are similarities in the religion of socialism since it is based on faith in &quot;man&quot; and other religions. Everyone has a religion of some sort. Even the Supreme Court realizes this and has labeled secular humanism and atheism as religions.

Socialism is a &quot;radical&quot; religion and even admits it in their principles. That is why they refer to their idea of govenment as &quot;radical democracy&quot; (their words, not mine). However, whether it is Islam, Socialism or its &quot;evil twin&quot; Communism, not knowing what is involved in those religions is dangerous.

Just as cults lure Christians into &quot;Jim Jones&quot; sucide pacts, Islam, Socialism and other &quot;religions&quot; have their cults which advocate &quot;etreme behaviors.&quot; Those cults are especially dangerous because they often provide for its member's &quot;needs&quot; that normal society doen't. It doesn't matter whether a person is rich or poor. They are susceptible to people who &quot;appear to care,&quot; and instill a sense of purpose, of why they were born, a sense of destiny, of importance, that for whatever reason family and society doesn't provide.

Even suicide where you take others (the enemy) with you is such an important event, has such meaning, is such a worthy destiny, to the &quot;lost&quot; person with mental problems, that they line up for their &quot;destiny.&quot; We have to understand the appeal of the Islamic faith. Look at the prison ministries for it. They are dealing with a group of people heavy in self-pity, a sense that society didn't understand them, a need for revenge, hatred of the &quot;wealthy&quot; and the &quot;establishment,&quot; that they are ofter easily recruited into a faith that also hates the same people they hate.

Note, I am not talking about all Islamic people. You will find many Islamic people who are materialistic, have no desire to joing a &quot;movement,&quot; and have no idea of &quot;killing the golden goose&quot; that is making them wealthy. That is why what President Bush is trying to do in Iraq is so important. If people find a way to improve their lives outside of &quot;death,&quot; they will turn to it in larger and larger numbers.

Also, in the &quot;economically better&quot; nations with Islamic problems, the Islamic people haven't had to assimilate but they are also not prepared to use the culture economically and may even be subject to econoomic problems becasue they don't assimilate and thus are left out of many of the higher paying jobs that require networking, work with other culture's traditional work ethic and work style. More complex than those simple statements but, asiimilation is very important for a people who move to a more prosperous nation and expect to enjoy that prosperity.

But, the need to understand socialism and secular humanism and atheism are just as important as understanding Islam if we are to restore this nation to some semblance of what it was founded on.

[boudicca]

A wonderful analysis OM. *Socialism, secular humanism, atheism and Islam must all be studied and fully understood. *Since humankind has had a deeply spiritual dimension since our earliest beginnings, religion has been a very important component of every culture that ever existed. *While atheism is just a flatout refusal to believe in any deity, atheists are in fact quite rare. *On the other hand, the ideologies of secular humanism and socialism have woven themselves together to form various utopian movements to create the perfect human society. *The reason they fail is because mankind cannot exist nor function in a spiritually defunct vacuum. *The logic of science is insufficient to provide nourishment for the soul. *Moreover, socialism and secularism humanism are predicated on the concept that humankind is no different than the members of the animal kingdom where a specific species can be trained to achieve certain behavioral characteristics. *My dog sits and shakes for a biscuit and the purveyors of utopian movements truly believe that humans can be similarly trained. *Hitler tried it. *

What they fail to realize is that humans are in fact extraordinarily complex creatures, intellectually, emotionally and spiritually. *And we aren't all that trainable. *Based on my own personal observations, whatever goodness flows from humankind is attributable to the spiritual dimension far more than the intellectual dimension of man. *

Since Christians are culturally trained to attempt to understand good from evil, those Christians who struggle the hardest to live their lives according to Christian morals and ethics tend to pursue the good while avoiding the evil. *Because we are all sinners, it's not always easy, hence the ongoing spiritual struggle. *But we also have help in the form of family, friends, church and community. *By stripping away the communities of moral and spiritual support, secularists and socialists absolutely believe that all humans can be trained to serve the utopian state. *Of course, the almight state then becomes the deity, the giver of food, shelter, medicine and needs. *This is why socialism is such pure concentrated evil. *It fully intends to make mankind beggers for their daily sustenance and accordingly, loyalty to the god of statism will be guaranteed. *

Unfortunately, we reside in a society wherein socialism is increasingly perceived as good. *Reversing the trend will not be easy, especially with so many religions actually embrassing socialism. *The socialist statists are quite smart and they have worked feverishly to convert religious leaders to their worldview.

Hope does lie in the remarkable resurgence of active Christian believers who are understanding how much we have lost. I would agree that only a strong Christian belief can restore America to freedom and Judeo-Christian morals and ethics.

[Mixture V rks.]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">There are similarities in the religion of socialism since it is based on faith in &quot;man&quot; and other religions. * Everyone has a religion of some sort. *Even the Supreme Court realizes this and has labeled secular humanism and atheism as religions. *

Socialism is a &quot;radical&quot; religion and even admits it in their principles. *That is why they refer to their idea of govenment as &quot;radical democracy&quot; (their words, not mine). *However, whether it is Islam, Socialism or its &quot;evil twin&quot; Communism, not knowing what is involved in those religions is dangerous.[/QUOTE]

IMHO, Old Man, these two paragraphs say just about everything which needs to be said. *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yes.gif

Of course, we can always study further and elaborate on these things and that makes us all the better informed for having done so. Then, too, it also permits us a better intelligence system so that we can see from whence any attack might be coming. *

But all of this involves knowing and understanding a little history. *And history is getting a bad rap in school curricula nationally right now. *

On the other hand ignorance of one's history means that clever people with not-so-wholesome designs can manipulate information on a large scale which can lead a populace into dangerous political situations where they can be blindsided! *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yes.gif

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE"> On the other hand, the ideologies of secular humanism and socialism have woven themselves together to form various utopian movements to create the perfect human society. *The reason they fail is because mankind cannot exist nor function in a spiritually defunct vacuum. *The logic of science is insufficient to provide nourishment for the soul. *Moreover, socialism and secularism humanism are predicated on the concept that humankind is no different than the members of the animal kingdom. . . [/QUOTE]

And this brilliantly illustrates the point about further study making us better informed. *One has to know the direction from which the enemy is approaching in order to be able to concentrate some firepower on his forces. *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/shoot_sig.gif

That can mean that we must know and understand views of candidates which may be critical to our country's future well-being. *I don't believe that anyone ever agrees 100% with everything any candidate may espouse. *There are just too many variables which lie ahead which we cannot know. *But for the big issues which we can know, this is where we can pin our candidates down. *If they do not understand such critical issues or see them coming, then, my vote must go elsewhere. *

This also means that candidates who push issues which appeal to prurient interests are a poor risk. *That rather takes in pluralistic multicultural approaches to many problems now facing this country. *Maybe we ought to take a leaf from Germany! * * *http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Old Man]

On the GOP blog, I argue with some really vicious liberals. I refer to socialism and the leadership of the Democratic party and often post principles from the socialist party's list of them and their strategy.

One liberal who isn't too bad a person asked me why I keep referring to socialists and socialism. I asked him if he ever used the link I posted as the source for the socialist principles. He said he stays away from things like that.

I said, well that is why I refer to them as socialists and socialism so often because the use those principles and startegy constantely. Thus, because he is afraid to learn what they are about, he moves along blindly following &quot;feel good&quot; policies that have failed everywhere they are used.

He ask why were Republicans against some social programs he named including education. I told him that was the problem with his party. We aren't against those programs but capitalism can fund them better than socialism and more control by the people, not government improves those programs. We have many of the same goals of helping seniors, needy, children, disabled, etc. but have different means of reaching the goals than socialism.

So, as you pointed out, Misture and Boudicca, we have to get people in both parties to learn more about what they are promoting. If you don't know how capitalism works you can't do it justice and if you don't know how socialism works you can't defeat it.

[Terri]

I say lots of luck to you, Old Man.

It's an uphill battle to even get people to understand how Congress works, much less socialism and capitalism.

[Basheva]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">It's an uphill battle to even get people to understand how Congress works, much less socialism and capitalism.
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And there's a whole bunch of people who don't know how a hole punch on a ballot works.

(notice how I got whole/hole spelled correctly within the context of the meaning of the word)

(some people don't even know/no that)

[Old Man]

Aw heck, Basheva, I node it.

I used to was cudn't even spell intelligent, now I are! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif