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qrayjack
11-24-2005, 01:44 PM
Arkansas’ newspaper of record, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette has a magnificent Thanksgiving day editorial entitled, “Let us give thanks and ask for guidance.” It is a ray of sunshine amidst the rancor of the gloom and doomers who see America through a dark prism, and are trying desperately to turn it into the antithesis of the wonder it has always been. This is not a good day for those who would litigate God and Christmas out of the American experience, and who must find it terribly disheartening that on this day we give thanks for so many things they hate. And what a miserable day it must be for those who despise our president and his party so venomously that they are willing to provide encouragement to our enemies by speaking and acting against our effort to bring freedom to a long-oppressed people, and stability to a region that has only known turmoil. How sad that some who watched those vicious, bloodthirsty acts of terror against America, prefer to think that 9/11 was an isolated incident. The vermin who committed those horrific attacks, with their fanatical, burning hatred of all that we represent, are still trying to kill us and will do so if we don’t kill them first. They cannot be stopped by sitting around waiting on them to hit us again. America’s naysayers, with their self-loathing and desire for the rest of us to join them, have always been here, but now their destructive agenda has been adopted by a major political party and is supported by a blatantly biased press. Their abortive ambitions will fail. This is not a decadent, decaying old Europe; this is America and yes, we have much to be thankful for including a president who does what he believes is right rather than the wet-finger-to-the-wind decision-making of the previous White House occupants.
Danny
11-24-2005, 08:09 PM
Very good post qrayJack!
Old Man
11-24-2005, 08:45 PM
I am thankful for all the people who want this to be a great nation. That includes the people who's religion is Atheism or Secular Humanism.
First, I am not much on organized religion and think it has done much damage to many people. I think one reason that we see Atheists and Secular Humanists is because they see nothing desireable in many people who say they are "Christians." They see the Jim Bakers and the Jimmy Swaggarts. They see the "Christian" at work hitting on some married woman. They see the car with the "I love Jesus" bumper sticker cutting other people off and flipping them off.
I say enough about "the religious history of this nation" in other comments. Here I will only say that I love any person who loves America. I am thankful they are here where they can protest and not in a "secular nation" like France or Gemany.
There, they may feel less oppressed by religion, but more oppressed by unemployment due to a nation that not only doesn't want God to influence government, but wants "fairness" to rule. The great aim of socialism is fairness and it has always failed.
Here, it is fading, but it was the role of the individual to make life fair for his neighbor, the people in his community and in his family. People, coming together in the community church for more than services. They came there for problem solving and to acheive "fairness" in their community.
It was the church, probably more than any other institution that united the people to revolt against England. That was the power of people of a like mind, more than the "power of the church." Never-the-less, it was power and the uniting of people in "prayer" also enabled them to unite easier in other governmental issues to solve community problems.
So, while the role of the church has greatly faded, we are a nation that was built by religous people for all people including those who love this nation but don't want the hypocrisy they see in our "nation under God" by many who act so "self-righteous." Yet, I am thankful that I know so many who aren't hypocrites. They may make mistakes as well, but at least they are genuinely sorry when they do.
I will serve beside an Atheist or a Secular Humanist who loves this nation. I will be the best I can be and I know they will be the best they can be. I would hope, I can be a "light" to them but, even if I fail to be that "light," I pray I will not fail them in a moment of danger.
My religion doesn't let me do more than share my religion. My religion is based on "free will." My religion knows that as a member of the majority, I may have the right to legislate and to impose and to punish things the majority chooses, but I also know from my service as a police officer that there can be empathy and concern and love for all people. I am thankful the God, I serve, and that this nation was founded under, gave us the "commandment" <table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." John 13:34-35 [/QUOTE]<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">"Whatever you want others to do for you, do so for them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12 [/QUOTE]
If my "love" causes a stranger to ask why I am motivated to love, I will share it with him. He can then choose if he wants to learn more or become a Christian. While there are times, you may initiate a "fath based message," most of the time you are wasting your time if God wasn't leading you to do it and if the person wasn't ready to receive it.
Most of the time, I feel, "love" is the best message and it, not you, may cause someone to want to learn more about the "source of that love."
I am thankful for all the people on this forum. I am thankful for those who have been willing to share their doubts about "God" and "religion." I can count them as friends since usually only friends and enemies share those kinds of feelings, and they haven't attacked me so, they must be friends for which I can be thankful.
papajaxxx
11-25-2005, 08:33 AM
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Excellent observation O.M.
In a nutshell, this is the essense of what Jesus preached. It worked then, and it works now, but a person must be willing to try it. Love is a powerful force, and more times than not, will prevail.
So many, too many, are caught up in the selfish mode of only looking out for number one, and never see, how strong showing love to others can be. As, St. Francis put it: "It's in giving that we receive!"
Froufrou
11-25-2005, 03:39 PM
As usual, http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/pirate.gif and PapaJaxxx have hit the nail on the head! You are wise men, and way cute also, too! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/winkie.gif
Seriously, the natural "high" that comes with the goodness of the heart is something that makes anyone radiate good looks.
This could be why we have the best looking people right here on our forum!
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