View Full Version : Devaluation Of Women = Loss Of Family Values
Froufrou
11-16-2005, 10:09 AM
The suffrage movement began in 1919 and the amendment passed in 1920. A single decade later, we saw the first welfare signed into law.
The collective thought was to destigmatize the child born out of wedlock, an undeniable giant step backward to 'the family.'
Additionally, it helped equalize the payments to the single mothers so they were spread equally among the taxpayer. How can this be seen as anything but a subsidy for adultery?
These acts made it okay for a man to be less of a man, to act on his 'needs' in lieu of self-control.
By all means, someone please do correct me if I'm wrong.
CSchultz
11-16-2005, 10:26 AM
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I would,......If you were.
Froufrou
11-16-2005, 10:33 AM
...then, I continue:
The ensuing 'women's movement' sought to sell the concept of female empowerment.
"Burn the bra," and for the life of me I have no idea how that ever empowered a female. Emboldened is more likely.
Yes, ladies were encouraged instead to be women and act on the sexuality Kinsey made sure we knew we have. It's okay, we're all animals.
Forty years later, what do we have folks? It doesn't look much better to me than legalized prostitution.
There has to be a reason why some of us were taught, "why buy the cow when the milk is free?"
And I think we'd all best find out what it is.
lockandload
11-16-2005, 10:41 AM
Frou, you are right as usual! *
Anyone who thinks that the feminist movement has empowered women is sadly mistaken and I would direct them to the book "Feminist Fantasies" by Phyllis Schafly. *This book is a great explanation of how each new "empowerment" for womens' rights actually devalued women. *I have bought copies for all 3 of my nieces who have been spoonfed this nonsense and it is logic that cannot be argued with.
papajaxxx
11-16-2005, 10:51 AM
The standards that many have followed throughout the past 2,000 years is the Bible. The standards are believed by some to be God's own standards. Since God is the pinnacle of knowledge, very few have questioned these standards.
The women's movement questioned those standards. And, like any "watering-down" or lowering of standards, there will be a certain amount of negative fallout. We are seeing that negative fallout today, and it will continue until the standards are once again deemed to be important.
Breaking a standard definitely has its consequences!
CSchultz
11-16-2005, 11:01 AM
I believe that men are equally responsible for the current conditions, perhaps more so than the women are.
It is the responsibility of the father to raise little girls to respect themselves, and to expect to be respected.
And to raise little boys to respect ladies, and to defend them.
We teach this best by example. The way we treat our wives, our mothers, and those around us.
When a woman approaches a car door, she should automatically pause, and wait for the door to be opened.
Somehow this got twisted into implying that a woman cant drive.
It's not that a woman can't drive, it's that she shouldn't have to.
When a woman approaches a chair, it should be pulled out and held in place for her.
Not that women are weak, but that they are worthy of such a small effort.
When a man curses around, or degrades a woman with a bad joke, or rude comment, he should be corrected at once. We men should not tollerate that type of behavior around ladies.
Not that women cant take care of themselves, but they shouldn't have to. That is OUR responsibility.
I think that alot of women find this behavior insulting, as if it were implying that they are weak, or unable to care for themselves.
I feel that it is quite the opposite.
Men cannot survive without women.
I don't mean biologically, I mean emotionally. We need a family. We need a purpouse. We need the other viewpoint when making decisions, we need someone to put the brakes on once in awhile.
A family cannot survive without the influence of a woman. Children need the stern influence of a father, and the caring influence of a mother to remain balanced.
So ladies, if I call you Maam, or Miss, or I expect to drive, or I don't take you hunting, it is not because I think you are weaker, It is because I respect you.
I just dont understand how things got so mixed up.
Froufrou
11-16-2005, 11:02 AM
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Standards = Family. *Values. *Family values. *Tradition. *The serpent was a warning.
Lockandload, I appreciate your input along with PJ's and Schultzie's. *I guess you know me as well as they do!
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We females should never have bought into it. *We have to act like we deserve respect in order to have it. *The marketing was so clever, "you can help with the financial burden," etc. etc. etc.
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Edited to add, GMTA Schultzie! You had your post in while I was still typing mine! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/winkie.gif
Old Man
11-16-2005, 05:50 PM
Ok, I'm going out on a limb.
Our society changed in some way for the better on this issue and as Frou pointed out for the worse in others. That why I am campaigning for her as President in 08.
However, for the "better." Women in the early years of our growing nation were the backbone of that growth. They raised 4 to 12 kids and sometimes more. Those children became our workers and leaders, when raised by that full time mom, who had to multi-task, plan budget, discipline, attend school meetings, hug and nurture, manage the activities, and was a sex goddess for her man.
It is no wonder the chair was pulled out and the door opened and even a stranger would go to her defense if he saw her being attacked. She was this nation. She was the hero behind the heroes and leader behind the leaders. It was a woman that God chose to bring the Son of God to man. It was woman who fed the workers who fed the world.
Then we grew up as a nation in some ways and we decided we didn't need as many new workers and leaders and we cut back on the number of children thanks to birth control, which also meant we could enjoy the "pleasures" of marriage. Women didn't have the pressure to stay home and raise children for 20 to 30 years. We found when the women went into the factories that they could not only do the jobs, but often do them as well or better than the person they had replaced.
The multitasking they did at home also made them darn good office managers and I still hold many CEO accountable for calling the woman secretary who actually made him a success by managing his time, appointments, bill paying, contacting people, lining up meetings, making sure all the needs of the office were met and made the coffee like she was some kind of servant.
Woman, whether you agree with their policies or not are having an impact on politics, thank you Ms Rice, and they are tough advisaries in the halls of Congresss. They run businesses and take the same risks as men in making their own businesses a success.
Look a the woman, Braxton, I believe, who laid off by Sears downsizing, on welfare, five kids, single mom, took a course in being a janitor. Within 3 years started her own janitorial business and within about 9 years had several employees and revenues of $260,000 a year. I know a lot of men that couldn't do that.
I am glad that any woman who has the time and desire to go into business, can do so. I admire the progress they made in a male dominated world.
But, don't ever tell me the stay-at-home mom is any less a woman. She may have chosen another career path, the raising of children to become workers, soldiers, congressmen, CEO's, etc that they are somehow not leading fulfulled lives. Don't tell me that the womem, whether a CEO or MOM isn't worthy of a chair being pulled out or a door opened. A tip of the hat or a bow is a sign of respect and women, more than men deserve that. For the first 200 years of this nation that was the case whether the woman was in the home or the business world.
Yes, Frou, with the destruction of the family, we have lost much. We have lost more than a responsible male. We have lost the respect for the family and the drive for responsible, disciplined, mentoring of the next generation the family provided.
The femminist movement was another socialist principle that gained favor.
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">The Socialist Party strives to establish a radical democracy that places people's lives under their own control -- a non-racist, classless, feminist, socialist society in which people cooperate at work, at home, and in the community.
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The Socialist Party is committed to full freedom of speech, assembly, press, and religion, and to a multi-party system. We are dedicated to the abolition of male supremacy and class society, and to the elimination of all forms of oppression, including those based on race, national origin, age, sexual preferences, and disabling conditions.
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Girls and boys are encouraged to grow up able to choose freely the shape of their lives and work without gender and racial stereotyping. Children are provided with the care, goods and services, and support that they need, and are protected from abuse.[/QUOTE]Principles of socialism (http://www.onelife.com/social/princ.html)
Any of these things sound familiar. I would almost swear they have been said by "progressive Democrats" but, surely that can't be the case. Surely, they wouldn't want to take the "care, goods and services, and support that they need," from the parents and turn them over to society.
Surely, they wouldn't want to lessen the importance of a mother.
papajaxxx
11-16-2005, 08:27 PM
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Yep! If you break-up the family, it's much easier to control the masses.
An old socialist trick. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yes.gif
pRIMrose
11-17-2005, 06:34 AM
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Well said Frouf! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/twothumbsup.gif
When a society makes a cottage industry out of pandering to victimhood, the end results are usually less than desirable.
Froufrou
11-17-2005, 07:03 AM
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Talk about well-said! "You obviously have a marvelous economy with words!"
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