U.N. Wants Control of Internet

[Terri]

U.N. Wants Control of Internet

Bobby Eberle
The Loft at GOPUSA

As someone who has worked on the Internet since the very first web browsers starting appearing from a research group at the University of Illinois and who has built a web-based political enterprise, I am keenly aware of the power, speed, and freedom of the medium. The Internet has truly transformed the way news is disseminated, broken through the left-leaning mainstream media, and allowed ordinary citizens across the world to have a voice. Now the United Nations, the group that has put Syria on its human rights commission, wants to control it.

Currently, the Internet is under the supervision of a non-profit organization formed by the U.S. Department of Commerce. However, there is a push by nations such as China, Cuba, and Iran for the U.S. to turn control of the Internet over to the U.N. In this digital age, if the U.N. were to gain control of the Internet, it would truly be one of the biggest and most dangerous blunders of all time.

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[TennesseeDave]

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This may well be the understatement of all time. The internet is probably the greatest invention of the 20th century.

Turning it over to the UN would be a catastrophe of monumental proportions.

[84rules]

The UN controlling the Internet would accoplish one goal: censorship of Internet information sharing. *

The Oil-For-Food Scam, pedophiles in the Congo, failed peace-keeping missions, massive human rights violations, etc.

The leftist press will not print/publish accurate information and criticsim of leftist institutions (such as the UN). *That only happens over the Internet and the UN wants to stop it.

[CSchultz]

I think we should treat it like we do metrics.

If they want to make up their own system,....Let 'em.

Why should we have to change? http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[jackbenimble]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">The UN controlling the Internet would accoplish one goal: censorship of Internet information sharing. [/QUOTE]

Actually it would accomplish two things.

In addition to censureship you identify above, there would also be taxation on use of the internet. The tax would be hidden but huge.

The UN is desperate to have a source of revenue so it can be independent from the nations that fund it. Having the US with the ability to withhold 20% or more of its budget is so inconvient and hinders its ability to assume the mantel of a true world government and impose its corrupt version of socialism on us (but not on the elites) whether we like it or not.

Regards,
Jack

[ToBNamedL8r]

This is absolutely the scariest scenario I can think of. *It falls into the same catagory as world courts with real authority and letting UN commanders command US troops.

Who is the deciding authority on this issue?


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[The Victim]

Not that &quot;I told you so&quot; but about seven years ago, I Emailed every Senator asking them to please get the USA out of the UN. Between the UN, ACLU and other radical slinky organizations, there will be a war for survival right here at home as well as in Asia.

[fraatz]

There is only one thing scarier than Islam and Communism: The UN. Accountable to no one but themselves, we can't even begin to imagine the horrors that will unfold if we give this cabal of God-haters absolute power.

[steveh]

Let the inmates run the insane asylum. I agree in one respect that the Internet has been tremendous in the flow of information, but it has also been a bane on society when you consider access to porn, misinformation and lies that have been propagated. I do not agree with TennesseeDave that the Internet is the greatest invention of the 20th Century. 300-400 years from now, the 20th Century will be known for a single item - landing on the moon and the start of the space age. Assuming we don't annihilate ourselves, this will be our future as we expand into the heavens. But I am off topic.

Letting an organization run by dictators and despots run the Internet is akin to allowing criminals have rights from jail. Once again, an American invention is now the right of every human being? These grubby little parasites at the U.N. can't stand the fact that we are a free society.

[peanutmnm]

Is the UN serious when they asked for control of the Internet? Surely not! I hope no one in our government is taking them seriously, NO ONE!! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif If the UN wants to control an Internet, let them build their own. This one belongs to the free world and is not for sale, at any price. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif It would certainly give the term &quot;spyware&quot; a whole new meaning, huh? http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[boudicca]

This is deadly serious stuff. *The global socialists comprising the UN, EU and the global dictator club have been after the internet for a long time and they are now threatening that unless the U.S. capitulates to their demands, they will just go off and develop their own internet that would exclude the U.S. *Unfortunately, the Bush Adm. is willing to make tiny concessions which is a big mistake that allows the dictator foot in the door.

It remains the great dream of the anti-capitalist, freedom hating and Christian bashing global bureaucrats to seize the internet and then impose &quot;hate crime&quot; statutes as a method of outlawing free speech. *In Europe, Canada and Australia, there is virtually no free speech because of hate crime statutes that have been used primarily to prosecute and imprison Christians and pastors. *Muslim clerics that preach violent jihad are excluded from prosecution.

Why dictators are cheering for the UN internet grab (http://www.opinionjournal.c om/columnists/cRosett/?id=110007554)

Claudia Rosett, who wrote the above article, is a first class and brilliant journalist who was the first to expose the UN oil for food scandal long befor we invaded Iraq. *

Although I'm severely technologically challenged, I frequently forward technical articles on this nightmare to various friends and groups and hope (and pray) that there are some savvy geeks among us liberty lovers to sort it out and explain it in plain English.

http://www.circleid.com/communi....t051115 (http://www.circleid.com/community/topics/view/Internet%20Governanc e/?fpsrc=ealert051115)

http://www.foreignpolicy.co m/story/cms.php?story_id=330 6&amp;print=1 (http://www.foreignpolicy.co m/story/cms.php?story_id=330 6&print=1)

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5950730.html?fpsrc=e alert051115
Technotalk on the Internet (http://www.circleid.com/community/topics/view/Internet%20Governanc e/?fpsrc=ealert051115)

Although the internet was developed and financed by the U.S., the emerging concept of &quot;global property&quot; is being used to trump national sovereignty and private property. *Increasingly, the pharmaceutical industry is a victim of this &quot;globalization&quot; as opposed to &quot;nationalization &quot; as more and more global entities are demanding the abolishment of patents. *Currently, the U.S. pharmaceutical industry is being pressured to turn over to the UN and its collaborators drug formulas so they can be manfactured by companies selected by the bureaucrats (without the payment of royalties).

We need to understand that the SCOTUS decision on Kelo has gone global as intellectual property is increasingly threatened. Global ownership is isn't a pipe dream but a reality being pursued with a vengence.

[navyman]

UN in Charge of the Internet; what a joke!

The most corrupt organiztion in the world want us to turn over the Interent to the New World Order.

Syria, Iran, China, the new EU will control it and use it to there advantage, and we know it will not be as free as it is now.

Syria, Iran, and China in charge of human rights, is like putting the wolve inside the chicken coup.

China has a clear record of censorship of the Internet, in its own country, as well as Syria, and Iran. No doubt many other countries don't like what is available from a free country.

If they want to build there own that's fine, and if they want to exclude us thats fine to. Who needs the lies of dictorships.

To me the UN is the most corrupt organization in the world today. Even those who were kick out of the UN for unlawful activity, are now allowed back in and are back on the UN payrolls.

We invented, it belongs to the American people. Uncensored, Untax, free, and not in the control of United Nations, or anyone else!

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[Thundercat505]

well, when all would be said and done, there would be a static ip addy, a permanent domain name and then when you said anything they didn't like on this forum you would have a visit from the un police to arrest your sorry butt for stating the obvious about their faults or those of any member nation--in particular china's.

this is scary since the flow of free information would be so severely limited that it wouldn't be worth emailing a get well card to a family member.

currently I am hearing that the out of state tax on goods has been cleared to go forward, but don't have anything firm to say it did, but just imagine that it has and the amount of added tax levied by the u.n. that would make it like it used to be---better to buy in a local store who doesn't order their stuff from their warehouse thru the inet.

no more good deals because it would severely crimp these businesses, take our economy right down to the bare roots and not allow it to grow, rampant inflation trying to pay for the taxes levied.

and then, as stated, the u.n. would have a free hand to do what ever they wanted as far as policy. they are already anti-u.s., can you just imagine what they would be like if they had to answer to no one?http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?

talk about the ruination of any kind of trade and governmental inflation controls.

no more looking up information for a school project for fear that it would be sensored so that the truth would be so twisted or non-existent. anyone that has trouble finding things that they are interested in now would never be able to find it then because of the sensorship.

of course, it could always go the other way. child porn would be rampant, most of the sites that you visit for school projects would automatically send you to a porn site.

they are not able to keep their own house in order so what makes them think they can control anything as big as the inet?http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[lpara]

When the UN controls the internet, http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/str.gif I'll stop getting it. Won't everybody? Then what'll they do?

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[silversword63]

This is scarey. The UN in charge of the internet? Syria, China and Iran, to name a few, making decisions about what we can discuss and how? Stating an opinion becoming a &quot;hate&quot; crime? You definitely would be unable to talk about Christian faith and the forwarding of prayers and prayer lists would be stopped. So much for freedom of speech and religion!!

I vote for the UN to develop their own internet service. We keep ours as is and see which one thrives and is used!!

[papajaxxx]

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[CSchultz]

I just dont understand this at all.

My job is to make computers talk to one another. I have a good understanding of networks. I have all the fancy little letters behind my name on my business card, C.C.N.A, C.C.N.E, M.C.N.A. etc...

That being said, the more I learn, The more I learn that I don't know!

(Any information would be appreciated, because I feel I must be missing something here.)

One thing that I have learned is that it is not possible to have two identical domain names on the same network.

It isnt like a telephone extension in your home.

In your house, you can have two phones with the same number.
If I call 555-5555 Both phones will ring.

Computer terminals do not work that way. In order to join a domain you must have an individual I.P Address. (Internet Protocol) (MAC address as well)

To register a domain name, it must also be individualized.

It would be impossible for me to register W3.gopusa.com

The routers would not handle it, the ARP tables could not accept two identical domains, etc.
It cannot be done.

If it has not been registered, I could create W3.gopusa.org, or dot gov, or dot schultzy whatever.

(Although there are guidelines regarding dot GOV, dot EDU etc.) Nother story.

Extensions are not limited to three letters, for one thing.

They are limited, but I do not have the time to miltiply 254 times 254 times 254 times 254.

(You techies understand why I used 254 and not 256!) http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Sorry,...I.T. 101 there.

But if Europe wants to start their own internet, an independant Internet service provider.....

LET EM! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

They can have &quot;PORNO DOT XXX&quot;
or &quot;JHIHAD DOT BINLADEN&quot;

or whatever they want.

They just need to keep their little stick skinners off of our domains. Afterall, we developed it for our military, and we own it.

I just don't see the problem with telling them to stick it in their ear if they cannot figure it out on their own?

[boudicca]

If the UN succeeds in seizing the internet, we will all be carted off to some gulag for re-education. This wonderful forum and its free exchange of ideas by some really interesting and smart folks who are absolutely the most dedicated of patriots would be shutdown.

What we would be allowed to say wouldn't be worth saying. We have already been prepped for this Orwellian future - we have speech codes in college, various and sundry hate crime laws, a dumbed down population, the PC Brigade, college professors churning out Comrades for Chomsky, a media owned and operated by Christian hating socialist &quot;Allah&quot; loving supporters and a whole lot worse.

Do I detect a hint of revolution in the air?

[CSchultz]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Do I detect a hint of revolution in the air? [/QUOTE]

Maybe,

How about we just &quot;BLACKLIST&quot; all their behinds for about 48 hours.

Show them who the Internet really belongs to?

It would only take a few keystrokes.

And It's alot easier than dumping tea over the side of a ship in the dark! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Terri]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">U.S. to retain oversight of Web (http://www.washtimes.com/business/20051116-121114-5659r.htm)

Dan Caterinicchia
Washington Times

Efforts to replace U.S. oversight of the Internet with an international committee were defeated yesterday during U.N.-sponsored meetings.

Hundreds of government, nonprofit and industry delegates meeting at the World Summit on the Information Society in Tunis, Tunisia, agreed to establish a new international forum to discuss Internet issues, but it would not have any policy-making power.

More (http://www.washtimes.com/business/20051116-121114-5659r.htm)[/QUOTE]

[boudicca]

A reprieve! *But far from a final victory as the golbal socialists are determined to use whatever means to get their foot into ICANN.

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">the three-day summit, which was scheduled to officially begin today and is focused on identifying ways to bridge the global &quot;digital divide&quot; between technology haves and have-nots. But the potential fight over future Internet governance dominated the preparatory sessions.
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Of course, this is utter baloney. *The only way to solve the digital divide is to eradicate poverty through property rights, education and free markets, and allow folks to create wealth. *Really, folks who don't even have clean water or electricity aren't really concerned with an internet connection. *

But you just gotta love Bolton's response.


<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">&quot;Other governments are sophisticated enough to argue that they don't want greater control over the Internet, they want greater benefits from it,&quot; Mr. Bolton said at a luncheon meeting with reporters and editors at The Washington Times. &quot;Greater benefits means a greater say in how those benefits are distributed, and that's the camel's nose under the tent that we have to be very careful of. Whatever happens in Tunis, I don't think that's the end of the issue.&quot; [/QUOTE]

Bolton's got it right.

[markinthedark]

I do business on the net. I am a funds trader. I like to know who it is I am dealing with, and their reputation. In this case we know who we are dealing with. Kofi Annan &amp; his forty thieves! I have no desire to have that snotrag sorting through my DNS data. The system as it is set up now is just fine. A simple and affordable exchange of goods and services, with the threat of action to keep everyone honest. Put the UN in this loop and hell will come home for Christmas! They (Kofi &amp; Assoiciates) have already perptratrated the largest fraud in human history, why give them access to every bank account, credit card account, stock/futures/commodities portfolio, and company mailbox in the worls?
We really needs to be done is to serve tnat pack of criminals an eviction notice! The people of the United States should inform the United War Criminals that we agree to disagree! http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[dlsitruc]

It sounds like another Carter Panama Canal deal. Better keep an eye on the Democrats. If Democrats get their way they will give away the rest of the store and China will control the Internet as well the Panama Canal.

I believe we should withdraw from the U.N. and start a USA friendly organization that has the same interests such as war on terror and fair trade agreements. http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif

[baddragon]

If the US of A controls the internet, and other countries do not like it, let them develop their own internet system. ie.. Muslemnet. Krautnet. Frognet. Afronet. Chinknet. Britishnet. etc. etc. etc.
The UN should develop their own internet service.. They could call it, AllceptUSA.net.
I think that would be the best solution.
Baddragon.

[Thundercat505]

I like what happened. we didn't even send high powered people to this meeting, just a few flunkies. all the others were sending in their leaders and high powered officials.

guess some of them were smarter than they looked and realized what we have been saying here.

typically just something to gripe about is all this has been. not happy that most of it written in latin instead of chinese or arabic.

[RedWhiteandBlue]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Well, Dearies, I guess we have a short reprieve, but don't rest on your laurels yet. *The camel's nose IS under the tent and they will try anything to get control of something that is so good and so useful to so many. *

I would truly miss the internet -- I do a lot of shopping (with reputable companies) over the net, and get lots of medical information, too. *In fact, several years ago, a new study on a certain type of medication was published that proved that my doctor was inadvertantly killing me by causing a huge weight gain. *He kept telling me I had &quot;fork to mouth disease&quot; and the meds had nothing to do with it. *Since I had always been slender and had not changed any of my eating or exercising habits, I was really ticked. *(That's Group Death for you!) *I actually was able to bring the doctor the information and he quickly switched me to the medication I should have had (after 3 years!!!) in the first place. *I still haven't lost all that weight, but I would have died had the weight gain continued because I would have starved to death. *

How can you turn over the internet to a greedy, sneaky, lying, corrupt and stupid organization like the U.N., anyway? *It's ours. *It should stay ours. *I agree with those who say we should get out of the U.N. *As I reiterated a while ago on another thread, it was started by a bunch of Socialists and spies. *You tell me that they won't try to spy on everyone and I'll just fall down laughing my head off! *Have a Happy Thanksgiving --and as the sister of Carrie TenBoom said, &quot;be thankful for the fleas.&quot; *(If it weren't for irritants like this, we'd never wake up to the real trouble!) *For a good read, check out the books by Carrie TenBoom.

*http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/usflag22.gif RW &amp; B

[markinthedark]

Just to give you an idea of the economic scope of the internet, last years seven BILLION dollars was paid out for affliate commisions. That is a small portion of just about one sixth of the traffic. Can you imagine Koffie and his forty thousand thieves getting access to that golden apple? It willl make Oil for Blood look like knocking over a Seven Eleven!
Now imaging Koffie &amp; Friends snooping your url history, passwords, bank accounts, credit cards,....
are you scared stiff yet? If you aren't you are blissfully ignorant of the power of this medium. John Kerry discounted this power, and now he's playing second fiddle to that eraserhead Red Nan Pelosi.
In Short I do not want the Blue Helmuts any where near my DNS Servers! The system was built by us, we own it, we will keep it!