Bush's New "Triangulation" Immigration Strategy

[jackbenimble]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE"> Immigration Rising on Bush's To-Do List (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-immig24jul24,0,69023 52,full.story)

The White House wants to build a coalition to court Latinos and marginalize hard-liners.

By Peter Wallsten and Nicole Gaouette, Times Staff Writers


WASHINGTON — Worried that the tone of the immigration debate is pushing Latinos away from the Republican Party, the White House is working with political strategists to create a broad coalition of business groups and immigrant advocates to back a plan President Bush could promote in Congress and to minority voters in the 2006 elections.

The strategists say Bush is planning to make immigration a top priority as soon as this fall, once the focus on a Supreme Court vacancy has passed. The push is being planned to coincide with next year's campaigns for the House and Senate, in which Latino voters could be crucial in several states. It is part of a broader White House strategy to forge a long-lasting majority by drawing more minority voters.
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This article goes on to describe an effort to enlist big business into a coalition to support shamnesty at $50,000 to $250,000 per pop and to marginalize the voice of the 75% of the Republican base that is against it.

I thought this quote was interesting:

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">&quot;You're never going to please them all,&quot; Regelbrugge said, who like Gay has attended preliminary meetings of the coalition. &quot;That's the difficult thing for the White House on this. They don't want to anger anyone. But the party's going to have to choose between the closed-minded restrictionists and the business base…. Who's really the base of the base? Farmers and businesspeople, or the others?&quot;
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[Old Man]

The O'Reilly Show on radio was on a tear about New York and illegals.

It seems their wonderful Mayor Bloomberg has said that while most businesses have to have a license and follow the laws, illegals will be allowed to set up Kiosks on the street to sell sandwiches and hot dogs, etc. even though there are businesses in the area that pay taxes and sell food items.

I think we will find that only a bill like Kyl's and Cornyen's will have a chance of passing. There are too many &quot;pro-amnesty&quot; congressmen to let a really tough immigration deportation effort take place. These congressmen are being supported by people like mayor Bloomberg, I believe.

[rangerrebew]

Don't forget, Bloomberg is a rino.

[Old Man]

Today in the GOPUSA email was this AD and article by Templeton
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">In the U.S. alone, 77 million boomers are about to retire - and they will wreak havoc on Social Security, private pension systems and our health care system. Economists know they will force a massive equity sell-off to pay for these benefits - a sell-off that will create a long-term market decline in the U.S.
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&quot;… Government resources, even under the most optimistic economic assumptions of growth and productivity, will be inadequate to provide baby boomers with the level of benefits their parents got.&quot;

Simply put, Greenspan is warning us in his diplomatic, make-no-enemies way that America IS going broke.

Templeton knows it's true, and so does Warren Buffett, Paul Volcker and other leading financial giants.

Now that you know this too! You need to take urgent action to protect yourself and your wealth! [/QUOTE]Looming Baby Boomer Crisis (http://www.newsmax.com/fir/fir-templeton2.cfm?refid =1196)

We have to replace those retirees with workers. We won't have them here. WE are down to 5% unemployment and that is with 15 million illegals here taking jobs. Without enough workers paying payroll taxes we will be broke in no time. This points out why I say that our politicians are going to fill this nation with immigrants legally when we close the borders. They have no choice. We have to get business growing, even if the wages are lower in osme cases, but with more workers paying in to social security and medicare, or we will be devastated. 77 million is about 1/2 the workforce. Think about the economic impact of that.

Think about how politicians don't want to talk about that economic impact. Yet, that is what could win us the 06 and 08 elections if it is marketed right.

[Froufrou]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Bloomberg has said that while most businesses have to have a license and follow the laws, illegals will be allowed to set up Kiosks on the street to sell sandwiches and hot dogs, etc. even though there are businesses in the area that pay taxes and sell food items.
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This is flat-out wrong, notwithstanding the implications for municipal health! The possibility of germ warfare infiltration via food vendors? Staggers the mind.

Very good posts, OM. However, I'm not sure I can completely agree, since I have to work until I'm 70 if I want to get my 'full' SS benefit - http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whisper.gif <span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>Not that I think for a nanosecond that I will ever actually see the money I've paid in.</span>

[Old Man]

I think you will Frou, but we will need the workers paying in for you to do that. since the money that goes in from your paycheck is paying for current retirees and not for your retirement. This could have been fixed 30 years ago but wasn't and now it is catching up with us as the baby boom retires.

[jackbenimble]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">We have to replace those retirees with workers. We won't have them here. *WE are down to 5% unemployment and that is with 15 million illegals here taking jobs. *Without enough workers paying payroll taxes we will be broke in no time. * [/QUOTE]

It is estimated that about 65% of illegals are using fake Social Security Cards and are subject to withholding. *They contribute about $7 billion annually to Social Security and Medicare which is about $2 billion less than their (net of the taxes they pay) cost to the State of California which is estimated to be about $9.5 billion.. *That sounds like a losing deal to me! They also represent a huge cost to the States of Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Illinois, Florida, New York, Massachussets, and many Southern States. *Even if 100% of illegals were tax compliant, they would be costing the taxpayers far more at the State level then they were contributing at the Federal level.

And their contribution at the Federal level is in fact illusory. *Many low wage illegal immigrants have earning low enough to qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). *One of the stated objectives of the EITC is to address the regressive nature of payroll withholding taxes and it is specifically designed to refund all or part of these taxes to low wage earners. *We end up with a situation where we withhold FICA taxes from paychecks but then end up giving back most of this so-called Social Security contribution back in the form of a EITC refund so the net contribution to Social Security is little or nothing. *

Bringing in low wage workers to &quot;solve&quot; Social Security solvency problems is a fools errand because they cost taxpayers more than they contribute. *And if these low wage workers are eventually legalized, the problem will be compounded because they too will eventually get old and Social Security is a progressive wealth redistribution scheme with low wage workers eventually taking more benefits out of the system then they ever contributed. We are not going to solve America's problems by flooding the country with poor ignorant people from the third world most of whom will represent a net drain on our resources.

OM, you are advocating the perpetuation of the Mother of all Ponzi Schemes. *It is poor advice.

[Froufrou]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">We are not going to solve America's problems by flooding the country with poor ignorant people from the third world most of whom will represent a net drain on our resources.
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Unless, of course, we become SO overrun with ignorance that the rest of the world will stop setting the bar by us and what we do...

Come to think of it, when that day comes [no doubt, around the corner] will I still want to live here?

[Old Man]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE"> That sounds like a losing deal to me! [/QUOTE]

Correct. <table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">OM, you are advocating the perpetuation of the Mother of all Ponzi Schemes. It is poor advice.[/QUOTE]

Jack, I am not advocating it. I am simply telling you what is going on and what the intent of Congress is.

The fix is to get personal accounts and do away gradually with the current social security system. But, I don't see that happening with the current RINO's spoiling the Presidents efforts.

The other aspect of legal immigration to solve the declining workforce will be to bring in immigrants that can have skills and won't work for min-wage jobs and keep the wage scale up. I don't see that happening either. Too many want to &quot;world's poor and unskilled&quot; to come here for humanitarian reasons. They don't see the problems you and I see.

That is why the people on this forum are so important. They have to educate the rest to what the government is doing that ISN'T in their best interest even though their &quot;intentions&quot; seem good. They have educate as to what is needed and that is secure borders and controlled immigration and only replacing what is needed in areas where a shortage of skilled workers exist.

We don't need low wage workers, we have them. They have been graduating from high schools across the nation for years. They can't read and write well enough for skilled jobs. Let them take the low wage jobs. But, to do that you will have to reform our unemployment and welfare system. I don't see that happening either.

Can you see a way to get politicians elected with the current &quot;PC&quot; voter block that controls who wins?

[Froufrou]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">They can't read and write well enough for skilled jobs. Let them take the low wage jobs. But, to do that you will have to reform our unemployment and welfare system. I don't see that happening either.
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*standing on soapbox now* It has to happen. Steps have been taken to get some control on welfare and medicaid. The wrong steps, in my book. [They want to do away with workers and let the clients do their own certifying!]

But, hey, it's a GREAT example of the Democrat party's socialist plans going awry. That program was for Americans down on their luck, not all the illegals who can swarm in and choke the system for zillions because the INS is too inept to track the ones they card!

[/soapbox]