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Drewman626
01-28-2003, 04:56 PM
I am getting SO fustrated with the peaceniks crowd. I've yet to hear an intelligent, well thought argument refuting the US's position on Iraq.
Ben Cone (Ben and Jerry's) was just on Cavuto talking about a commercial that he and Susan Surandon are running before the speach tonight. Neil asks him "What's this all about?" Ben says "Iraq is not a threat to us."
Neil: "How do you know that?" Ben: "He doesn't have missles or planes that can reach the US." Neil: "How do you know that?" Ben: "It's been proven." Neil: "It has? By who?" Ben: "By all the authorities over there.... but really I want to talk about why we're going to kill a bunch of Iraqis and possibly an bunch of Americans..." words words words
First off.... I don't care about long range missles. I don't care about planes. A nuke can be carried in a briefecase, in a backpack, or shipped via FedEx. This isn't rocket science here... literally. You don't need a long range missle to deliever a nuke.
Secondly... So you're saying even if they have nukes, as long as they don't have long range capability, they're not a threat? Huh? What if they use a short range missle at one of our allies in the region? Would we then have a right to defense and/or retaliate with our ally?
Thirdly... Since when do Ben Cone and Susan Surandon have more foreign intelligence information than the NSA and CIA?
Forthly... If I hear the comment that this war is about oil one more time, I'm going to scream. Iraq produces 2% of the worlds daily oil supply. 2%. Come on. Do the math.
Fifthly... "Peace" is not defined as the lack of conflict. Just because bullets aren't flying and tanks aren't rolling doesn't mean we're at "peace". There is a 'peace' that can only be found on the other side of war.
Sixthly... "War never solved anything." Really? Tell that to the Jews. Tell that to the Patriots of the American Revolution. Tell that to the slaves of the Civil War. Tell that to the Kuwaities that were killed when Saddam invaded. Tell that to the people of Bosnia.
Seventhly... "America's opressive foreign policy has killed so many people. It's no wonder we're hated around the world." Um... 60% of all foreign aid comes from the US. Anytime there's human rights violations in the world, we always seem to be the one to step up and offer help. We lost 100,000 american lives in two hours during the Normandy invasion trying to free France from Hitler (Your Welcome). The medcine and money we give to many countries around the world never make it to the people who need it because of the governments that redirect the funds to guns, bombs and golden palaces.
Eighthly... "The sanctions against Iraq are killing millions of children. They need our aid." See 7. Also, if a country can't exist without our help, doesn't that tell you something? That's like saying "I can't feed my children because you stopped giving me food. Nevermind my big house and fancy cars..."
Ninethly... If you believe that we're not going to be at the receiving end of a terrorist attack again... you're either deaf, dumb or blind. I'd like the President, and/or Powell, to site specific instances of thwarted attacks... including the Buffalo Eight and that guy on New Years caught in Washington State. The Shoebomber. Etc... etc... "If we do nothing, Saddam and the terrorists will do nothing." When they're chanting "Death to America! Allah is great!" at their parades and holiday gatherings, to think that they want to coexist with us is just plain naive.
I'm done. I'm feeling sick.
Reccos
01-28-2003, 05:21 PM
It is great that you are so sure of your convictions that you have no reservations about a war against Iraq.
I know many world leaders who are struggling with this issue right now and are torn between supporting their great ally, the United States, and doing what is morally right.
Forget for a moment the case you are so certain exists, and think only about the horror and tragedy that a war like this can bring to innocent people.
And, don't forget the armed forces who risk their lives in the cause of freedom for they - and those who love them - will pay a high price both in the short and longer term.
What we need to be assured of, as citizens of the free world, is the justness of our cause. If there is doubt, and I believe there is, more time should be taken to ensure that war is right.
I, for one, would not sacrifice one member of the armed forces in a war against an idiot like Saddam Hussein that cannot be justified to a broad group of allies, and not just Britain.
Maybe we forget too quickly that we will lose people too. I would rather wait and ensure that those losses were in a just and a required war.
Saber
01-28-2003, 05:34 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> I would rather wait [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
After Los Angeles is infected with smallpox? *After Boston is nuked? *After ricin is spread through Minneapolis? *After two or three more "center fuel tank" explosions?
Exactly what is IT that we are waiting for? *Will the next major calamity awaken people from their slumber?
It may be a thousand "innocent" http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif Iraqis parading with their brand spankin' new AK-47's. *Better them than one more American life.
Great post Drewman. I couldn't agree more.
Terri
01-28-2003, 05:53 PM
Drewman, I think Ben Cone and Susan Sarandon have such big egos and superiority complexes that it never occurs to them to think they might not be right.
Reccos, who's armed forces are you worried about sacrificing? Are these your armed forces?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What we need to be assured of, as citizens of the free world, is the justness of our cause. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Where do you get the idea there is a free world? *I'm a citizen of a free country, it's the United States. Are you a citizen of the United States too?
Drewman626
01-28-2003, 06:02 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> It is great that you are so sure of your convictions that you have no reservations about a war against Iraq. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Deeply held convictions are what creates a person's character. *Without them, you're just a lemming.
I hate war. *I hate war as much as the liberals do. *But I, unlike the liberals, understand that there are instances where war is neccesary. *Again, "There is a peace that can only be found on the other side of war."
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> I know many world leaders who are struggling with this issue right now and are torn between supporting their great ally, the United States, and doing what is morally right. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Many of those leaders are stuggling with the decision of whether or not to forego billions of dollars in IOUs from Iraq. *They're struggling with the possiblity of riots among their own Arab citizens. *They're struggling with the idea that as long as they stay nuetral, they are prone to terrorist attacks. *They are moden day Switzerlands.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Forget for a moment the case you are so certain exists, and think only about the horror and tragedy that a war like this can bring to innocent people. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
War is hell. *Anyone who enjoys war is evil. *Innocent people die everyday. *When you have to choose between the lesser of two evils, not only are you going to be in constant strife for the rest of your life, but you will also inevitable anger people. *However... avoiding making the decision is always worse. *That's a simply fact of life. *Every successful person in life has had to make hard decsions.... but they still make decisions. *It's the people who would rather maintain the status quo than make a hard decision that falter and waft through life at the whim of the wind.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> And, don't forget the armed forces who risk their lives in the cause of freedom for they - and those who love them - will pay a high price both in the short and longer term. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I wonder if they joined the military for the great salary. *
My grandfather, father, brother, cousin and brother-in-law are all military men. *I would've gone too if not for the pleading of my mother. *The military is there for a reason. *It's not a college. *It's not a way to get in shape. *It's not a Peace Corps. *It's the weapons and strongarm of society. *Soldiers know why they're there. *So do their families. *I thank a Vet everytime I meet one. *They deserve it. *
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> What we need to be assured of, as citizens of the free world, is the justness of our cause. *If there is doubt, and I believe there is, more time should be taken to ensure that war is right. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
How much more time do you need? *If you wait to make decisions until you have all the facts... you'll never make decisions... because you'll never have all the facts. *Now, in this particular instance, we have more than enough facts to make an educated decision. *No doubt it's a tough decision, but nonetheless, one that has to be made. *So make it already.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> I, for one, would not sacrifice one member of the armed forces in a war against an idiot like Saddam Hussein that cannot be justified to a broad group of allies, and not just Britain. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ok, let's add Australia, Spain, Turkey, Italy, Poland, Chekoslavakia, Hungry, Mexico, Japan and Israel. *
If your idea of a "broad group" is the UN, you got issues dude. *
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Maybe we forget too quickly that we will lose people too. *I would rather wait and ensure that those losses were in a just and a required war. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Let's wait for what? *For another plane to hit the Sears Tower? *For you to turn on the news one day and see that Boston is no longer there? *Or maybe for reports of some strange sickness that's spreading across the country. *When someone has the desire to hurt you, and when they have the means to hurt you, waiting just give them more time to organize a plan. *It's not a question of if, but when.
navyblue
01-28-2003, 10:43 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And, don't forget the armed forces who risk their lives in the cause of freedom for they - and those who love them - will pay a high price both in the short and longer term.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
And why don't you ask some of those men and women of the armed forces what they think?
Those men and women know the risk they take in serving thier country. *They also know sometimes you have to fight!
nekela
01-29-2003, 12:27 PM
http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Thumbs up to drewman. I'm glad to see you shot down every argument that reccos had. I couldn't have done better myself so I am going to leave it at that. He better get his head out pretty soon so he can see what is going on. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Charie
01-29-2003, 12:45 PM
http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/twothumbsup.gif *Amen, DM6. *Glad you got your second wind. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif *http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/twothumbsup.gif
BIG CASINO
01-29-2003, 06:13 PM
Ya know, maybe we should listen to RECCOS. If we dither long enough and let Saddam build up his defences, train and equip his troops better, and establish more alliances, the war would be more even-steven! Now that's an humanitarian goal that Suzy-Q and Benny would be proud of.
Who gives-a-rip what France, Germany, Suzy-Q, or Benny think (feel?) anyway?
Paddle forward, kids
Der Alte
01-29-2003, 07:58 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I know many world leaders who are struggling with this issue right now and are torn between supporting their great ally, the United States, and doing what is morally right.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
And what is morally right - the death of more Americans?
This is one that I can have a small effect - no more Ben & Jerrys in this household.
P.S. Love your avatar, Drewman. I have been a Red Sox fan since they played St. Louis in the 46 World Series.
Floridaguy
01-30-2003, 10:49 AM
Great posts Drewman, both of them. You are correct. I am no warmonger either, but what we can prevent we must prevent, for time is on Saddam's side, not ours.
http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/madgo.gif dang, no more Chubby Hubby, Wavy Gravy, Cherry Garcia, Rainforest Crunch, ....I think there is a liberal conspiracy to keep my freezer empty, and keep me away from the movie theater. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tqrolleyes.gif
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Terri
01-30-2003, 11:03 AM
Ben & Jerry's have been active in very leftwing liberal causes for many years.
I swore off their products a long time ago, darn it! Guess I'll just discontinue my boycott. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin2.gif
Reccos, there are questions for you in this thread.
Saber
01-30-2003, 05:04 PM
For what it's worth, I believe Big Ben sold the ice cream stuff a few years ago....and pocketed a cool few million. Guess that makes him an evvvvillllll rich 1 percenter!
AngelsRWorldChamps
01-30-2003, 05:52 PM
WAIT FOR WHAT ANOTHER 9/11 100 TIMES WORSE SAD DAMM NEEDS a boot in his a$$ asap
Terri
01-30-2003, 06:47 PM
Saber, I heard that today too.
Everyone, check this out!
Ben & Jerry's co-founder begged for enemy of U.S. (http://www.worldnetdaily.co m/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ ID=30771)
These people are so stupid, I'm surprised they can breathe. http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/shake.gif
pRIMrose
01-30-2003, 07:28 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">These people are so stupid, I'm surprised they can breathe.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Or as BOR says, "these people are so stupid it's painful." http://gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mdr11.gif
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