Granddaughter yanks grandma's feeding tube...

[Cheesecake]

I posted this in another thread, but it became buried [no pun intended] in the very active conversation.......s o, I wanted you all to see it.

Thanks VAVoter for asking me to post for you.

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Granddaughter yanks grandma's feeding tube
81-year-old neither terminally ill, comatose, nor in vegetative state

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Posted: April 7, 2005
7:33 p.m. Eastern


By Sarah Foster
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

In a situation recalling the recent death of Terri Schiavo in Florida, an 81-year-old widow, denied nourishment and fluids for nearly two weeks, is clinging to life in a hospice in LaGrange, Ga., while her immediate family fights desperately to save her life before she dies of starvation and dehydration.

Mae Magouirk was neither terminally ill, comatose nor in a &quot;vegetative state,&quot; when Hospice-LaGrange accepted her as a patient about two weeks ago upon the request of her granddaughter, Beth Gaddy, 36, an elementary school teacher.

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[Charie]

Well, this will give you those icy fingers up and down your spine.

I can't believe it's that easy to go against a &quot;living will&quot; by a relative or how easily this judge took the granddaughter's word.

Tacit euthanasia.

I hope Jack Kevorkian burns in He[[ when he comes to the end, probably helped there by someone just like himself.

[TGImRepublican]

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Where on earth is the outcry for this poor woman??

This is outrageous!

My granfather will be 86 in a few months, I would fight to keep him alive.

What is with this grand-daughter? Has she financially drained grandma and doesn't want anyone to know? If the grandmother's care goes to another family member then so will the financial power of attorney.
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[CSchultz]

Thank you for posting this Cheesecake.

See, Now that we can kill off the defenseless unborn, and lately the defenseless mute, I was curious if the next in line would be the elderly, or the unattractive. Thank the lord my kids are cute, young and outspoken. They just may stand a chance!!


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[Ohiowoman]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">&quot;She has glaucoma and now this heart problem, and who would want to live with disabilities like these?&quot;
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Since Mrs. Magouirk was lucid and had no signs of dementia when she was admitted to the hospital, maybe her granddaughter should have asked her if she wanted to live. That is, of course, assuming that she actually cared what her grandmother wanted.

TGIR, that's an interesting question about the financial situation. I hadn't thought of that.

[CleosMom]

And they say the &quot;slippery slope&quot; doesn't exist!

I don't want to think about what's coming next.

Thank you Cheesy - let's try to keep up-to-date on what happens with this.

[casseopia]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">&quot;Grandmama is old and I think it is time she went home to Jesus,&quot; Gaddy told Magouirk's brother and nephew, McLeod and Ken Mullinax. &quot;She has glaucoma and now this heart problem, and who would want to live with disabilities like these?&quot;

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Is this woman nuts? I've got a bullwhip, let's go out behind my barn and discuss this poor old woman.

glaucoma? big deal! that is not a life threatening disease, is it? only sight threatening. and a heart problem? millions of people have &quot;a heart problem.&quot; sounds to me like the grand daughter has a &quot;selfish *(&amp;^% problem and I doubt she is even remotely acquainted with Jesus or she wouldn't be ignorant enough to make such a statement!

[Tyler2]

Reminds me of an old proverb: &quot;Pride goeth before a fall&quot;.

It ain't just here. *In the Netherlands, part of the &quot;new&quot; Europe, they call it &quot;IN-voluntary euthanasia. *As if they'd been pole-axed, family members are having less and less say in the decision. *Increasingly, the doctors and/or medical &quot;personel&quot; are the ones who decide. *

For the moment, they're somewhat tentatively calling it:
Lives not worth living.
Soon, they'll be openly calling it:
Lives, unworthy of life.
*
The self-important Europeans see themselves as ever-so, ever-so (don'cha know?)... enlightened. *To be sure, those socialistic countries are temporarily lightening their financial burdens. *

And, probably like the granddaughter in the story, they're lightening their grandmothers' purses, as well. *Gee, doesn't that sound familiar?

Unless you were an absolute fool, you HAD to know that when a society of people is willing to kill unborn babies, the elderly are next. *Followed by the &quot;deformed&quot;. *

Then? Those with so-called &quot;incurable&quot; diseases. *This category would necessarily include mental illnesses. *And some of those mental illness diagnoses would also include people who are not &quot;right-thinking&quot; people.

Socialists? *They're cannibals and lemmings! *The cannibal class thinks that if they provide bread-and-circus (welfare, poor education, and lowbrow entertainment), the lemmings will flow right on into the sea. *Sadly, for the most part, the cannibal class is correct in that thinking. *Don't believe it? *Just ask the people who lived in Communist Russia. *Or, Nazi Germany. *The Nazis called them... useless eaters.

It's happening again!
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[Ramasax]

History is repeating before our very eyes...and the funny thing is we hardly realize it.

Ramasax

[lpara]

Chilling. Is Hospice a tool of Euthenasia? I thought ONLY terminal people could go there. Why is someone there who is NOT terminal?

[Tyler2]

Ipara writes:
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Hospice a tool of Euthenasia? I thought ONLY terminal people could go there. Why is someone there who is NOT terminal?[/QUOTE]$$$?
Convenience?
Wanting to be rid of someone?

[TGImRepublican]

http://www.gopusa.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Sad to say, but in the 40's our country was euthenizing folk and warehousing them in mental hospitals too. I was working on a thesis for an English class. I chose the topic of Deaf-Blind culture and needs.
Alexander Graham Bell was part of a group that promoted sterilization of the depraved individuals in society. This group included - social deviants, alcoholics, deaf, blind, dumb, etc.
So while the Nazi's were gassing Jews, our society was doing the same types of things. Very sad.
Guess I need to pull out that paper and find some of the links and reference material again.
We are supposed to have been (truly) enlightened ourselves and stopped the barbaric practices.

Good points - T2, Cass, CSchultz, OW, Ram and CleosMom.

I think it is lpara. I am sure I won't want hospice messing with me. Just let me go home and fade away with all my loved ones near. Thats what I want

[TGImRepublican]

Found my English Comp Thesis

BTW - Bell's mother and wife were hearing impaired. He pushed for NO Sign for hearing impaired folks - forced voice only.
Also - I asked about the so called dependant people in the classifications of the Eugenics Law - dependant means: homeless, unable to completely financially care for themselves - this includes orphans and other dependants.

exerpt - my paper

Alexander Graham Bell was one of the most outspoken members of the &quot;Breeders Association&quot;. Although he claimed to not be opposed to marriage between the &quot;undesirables&quot; he used his influence to promote the Eugenics Laws. In a 1912 &quot;Breeder's Association&quot; report, Bell cites blind and deaf persons as &quot;socially unfit&quot; classes. The model Eugenics Law called for the sterilization of the feebleminded, insane, criminalistic, epileptic, inebriate, diseased, blind, deaf, deformed, and dependant people. By 1940, thirty states had Eugenics Laws; thousands of people were forcibly sterilized.

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One of my sources was a book by Harlan Lane and several old records. My main focus was deaf-blind and so I did not delve into the other listed as socially unfit, undesirables.


My point, Our society has been there and realized this type of classification and disregard for life was wrong.
Are we destined to repeat this dark part of our history?

edited to add -
to learn more check out
http://www.eugenicsarchive. org/eugenics
sorry - I haven't linked in the forum yet.

[CSchultz]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">&quot;Grandmama is old and I think it is time she went home to Jesus,&quot; [/QUOTE]
I want to go home to Jesus also, and I want my family to be there with me, But I aint gonna hurry things along.

My mom died in her home under hospice care. After a year and a half of cancer treatment, pain, exhaustion, the doctor said there is nothing left that anyone can do. You have 6 months tops.

She spent her final months in bed, talking about old times with me, preparing for what was to come. Watching her grandchildren play. And yes, lots of heavy medication to ease the pain.

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[Bigdog]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Chilling. Is Hospice a tool of Euthenasia? I thought ONLY terminal people could go there. Why is someone there who is NOT terminal?

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Excellent question!! I have had some experience with hospice and they did a great job of providing comfort care for people for whom there was no hope.
This sounds entirely dofferent.

[Ohiowoman]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Since 1982, West Georgia Hospice has provided holistic care to terminally ill patients and their families...Hospice LaGrange provides acute, respite and residential services in a comfortable, home-like setting to people with a limited life expectancy.[/QUOTE]
This is from the West Georgia Hospital System website: More here (http://www.wghs.org/wgh.html)

If Mrs. Magouirk was not determined to be &quot;terminally ill&quot;, her life expectancy is being limited primarily by what the Hospice is doing. And exactly how &quot;comfortable&quot; and &quot;home-like&quot; is it to be deprived of food and water? It sounds as though this hospice is violating its own policy.

[CleosMom]

I wonder which agency/branch of government has the authority to investigate some of these hospices. Other than Medicare when their funds are being inappropriately used.

Think I'll check this out with my friendly local State Representative.

BTW - Our local hospice is not like these at all (I hope). They mainly provide care in the patient's homes. They also have a few apartments for families to live in if they wish. Maybe I should check into this too?

There's so much that happens while we are not watching. I forgot who said it about evil can only triumph when good men do nothing. We need to be more vigilant!

[Clancy]

My question is: *if grandma was &quot;with it&quot; when she was admitted to the facility, why wasn't she asked what she wanted? *A Living Will is only to be used if a patient isn't able to make decisions about health care.

As a nurse, I have had the adult children of a patient come to me and say &quot;We want to make Mother a DNR (do not resuscitate).&quot; *My answer was &quot;and what does your mother want?&quot; *Many times these adult children actually thought they had the power to make this decision. *If the patient is alert and oriented, decisions like this are up to the patient alone. *

Surprisingly enough, these patients are often anxious to discuss these decisions if someone askes them the questions.

If this isn't done, it's not euthanasia.....it's murder.

[casseopia]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Sad to say, but in the 40's our country was euthenizing folk and warehousing them in mental hospitals too. [/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree. And even into the fifties. One of my grandmothers had mood swings and some sort or seizures. She was put into a mental institution. Given subsequent family history, I'd say that today those mood swings would be diagnosed as depression and the &quot;seizures&quot; may not have been seizures at all but some sort of diabetes related episodes.

[Cheesecake]

Thank you VAVoter for this information:

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">'Grandma' airlifted
to medical center
'Receiving IV fluids, nourishment,' says nephew who credits WND, bloggers, 'Terri's friends'

Posted: April 9, 2005
6:22 p.m. Eastern



By David Kupelian



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Mae Magouirk, the 81-year-old Georgia widow over whose medical care a family tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo case has been raging, has been transported from the hospice in LaGrange, Ga., to the University of Alabama-Birmingham Medical Center, according to her nephew, where &quot;she is receiving food, fluids, cardiac care and neurological help.&quot;

This morning, Magourik's nephew Ken Mullinax, who had been fighting to have his aunt removed from Hospice-LaGrange in LaGrange, Ga., where, he said, she had not been properly fed or hydrated, contacted WorldNetDaily with this phone message:



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[Nancy521]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">Increasingly, the doctors and/or medical &quot;personel&quot; are the ones who decide.
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38 states have statutes that allow doctors and institutions to ignore instructions of a &quot;health care agent.&quot; This is the person you designate in a Living Will by the way. I'm working on a list to share with everybody about this and will post it in another thread. I believe California and Texas are the only two states thus far that specifically state that a physician can refuse to provide &quot;futile care.&quot;

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[casseopia]

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr class="standard"><td>Quote </td></tr><tr class="standard"><td class="QUOTE">I believe California and Texas are the only two states thus far that specifically state that a physician can refuse to provide &quot;futile care.&quot;
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And a physician should always refuse to provide &quot;futile care.&quot; It is just a matter of who determines exactly what is &quot;futile.&quot;